My Glock 22!!! :D
Kenny Thomas
everyone (just cause I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
It's a glock 22! You can see pictures of it here:
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-closed.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/hi-cap-clip.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-left.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-right.jpg
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-major-components-disass
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Cool huh? :P
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>Subject: My Glock 22!!! :D
>From: "Kenny Thomas" ke...@tacep.org
>Date: 7/26/03 1:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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>Subject: My Glock 22!!! :D
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>Date: 7/26/03 1:49 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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Garp
penis lover young can get together and examine each others penis.
Slurp, slurp.
CoolBoyHot
>I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
>It's a glock 22!
>Cool huh? :P
No its not cool.... its totally uncool.
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>Date: 7/26/03 3:33 PM Pacific Daylight Time
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>I see you would be too much of a pussy boy to do it yourself. Maybe you and
>hugh
>penis lover young can get together and examine each others penis.
>
>Slurp, slurp.
you seem to know a lot about foreskin slurping, you pedophile.
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I have two Glocks...a 19 and a 23.
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool??? You're as
much of a Doofus as Darrin.
CoolBoyHot
>You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool???
Theres nothing in the const that gives him a right to a gun.. unless hes in a
militia.
What sane country lets an 18yr old boy virgin...and wannabe cop... with bad
attitude...and his own foreskin website...have a gun????
Intoxicatingmoon
>What sane country lets an 18yr old boy virgin...and wannabe cop... with bad
>attitude...and his own foreskin website...have a gun????
To boot a self hater because he is a freak in our country! Kenny sell the gun
and spend the money getting circumcised...your troubles will be gone!
Ocenturian35
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>Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:19:28
>You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool???
No Maze, he is saying that an 18 year old virgin that has threatened suicide on
ALT.DEPRESSION with chilling suicidal ideation and self hatred as to claim he
has only a cat as a freind. May not be the best person too be walking, around
the neighborhood armed? I am a fervant believer in the right to bear arms
however read kenny's suicide note and tell us honestly he deserves a handgun.
BTW Kenny claims to hate the USA and Jews.
And has threatened to kill US soldiers (If he could.) Will you take
responsibility when this kid finaly blows a gasket? You claim to be rich? Here
and now publicly declare you will be held financialy responsible for any of
kennie's future shooting victims when he blows? Didn't think so. I love the
second ammendment however not for individuals suffering suicidal ideation, and
a self loathing hatred of the USA combined with threats to kill USA
servicemen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Kenny Thomas
also buying a .22 glock for just target practice, 50 shots for 9 dollars is
a lot for a 40 cal. :( but its still fun! :D How much did your 23 cost you?
I payed 448 for my 22, not including the permit and other small fees.
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Your really an Amerikan now Kenny. Do you take it to school with you Kenny?
Or do you just hold it wishing your own weapon was of equal calibre?
Praying for your recovery.
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>A gun is never cool, you umbalanced!!!...
And your a pedophile lower than the lowest scum!!!!!
Winding Highway
>Date: 7/31/2003
>When do you think to burn and renew this odd an ancient ridiculous
>Constitution you have?.
At least the US doesnt have a NEW and ridiculous constitution like Spain,
which reintroduced the monarchy in the late twentieth century.
Actually the constitution has served Americans rather well. Virtually every
progressive change in the US in the past half century has resulted from
judicial interpretation of the constitution -- not from legislative initiative.
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will be checked in with the Department of Public Safety, the Criminal
Justice Education Department and the local sheriff. The weapon will then be
stored at the CMSU firing range in a non-functioning state until I decide to
take target practice at the range or I decide to check the weapon out.
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my new gun, it's sharp looking, and is REQUIRED for my training. Even your
peace officers in Spain carry a weapon.
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> "Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> escribió en el mensaje
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> > This has absolutely nothing to do with circumcision, but I am telling
> > everyone (just cause I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
> >
> > It's a glock 22! You can see pictures of it here:
>
>
> You're insane if you have a killing device on your pocket and are so happy
> about this you even give the new on a public Newsgroup...
>
> Why don't you change your residence country instead of buying guns?. You
> wouldn't need one if lived on a civilized country
>
> >
>
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-major-components-disass
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> > Cool huh? :P
>
> A gun is never cool, you umbalanced!!!...
>
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> Cheers,
> Josema
>
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>Date: 7/31/2003
>I am proud of
>my new gun, it's sharp looking, and is REQUIRED for my training. Even your
>peace officers in Spain carry a weapon.
Spain is hardly a model for anything. Let us remember that most of the worlds
population live in societies where even the police do not normally carry guns.
Kenny Thomas
spray, a gun...anything that is normally considered a weapon. But you are
right, some countries don't let their officers carry anything. However,
living in a society that is armed (such as the united states) the peace
officers must be armed too, otherwise they are less powerful.
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"Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> wrote:
> I didn't say "gun" I said weapon. That could be a blackjack, a stick, pepper
> spray, a gun...anything that is normally considered a weapon. But you are
> right, some countries don't let their officers carry anything. However,
> living in a society that is armed (such as the united states) the peace
> officers must be armed too, otherwise they are less powerful.
So many guns yet so much crime and violence. Electric chairs, lethal
injections, daily shootings there are still criminals. Doesn't that tell you
something? Hint: Power brought about by fear doesn't work - Particulary in a
fucked up country like Amerika. See the only difference between pigs and
terrorists is that one is legal terrorism and one isn't. I wouldn't
anticipate people will respect you more as a law enforcement officer than as
john citizen because they won't, no matter how big your gun is.
So when will be seeing the TACEP armed forces out on the streets liberating
the oppressed foreskins in operation dickcheese?
Kenny Thomas
However, the US Constitution states specifically that all the residents are
allowed to carry fire arms. Since anyone can carry guns that also means that
guns have to be readilly accessable for sale, and if they are accessable for
sale that means that criminals (even those not allowed to have guns) can get
them easier. And since the criminals are able to be armed, the law
enforcement officials also need to be armed as well. I'm not saying that
having a gun gives you absolute power, or makes you "super cop" but what I
am saying is that if John Doe has a gun, and John Doe goes and robs a bank
and the police are called those police that show up better have a gun too
otherwise they will be standing out there doing nothing more than hiding
from the guy with the gun while he gets away. Surely that's not what the
people who just got robbed want.
While the number of deaths in the USA by gunfire is an alarming rate, much
higher than ANY other country, these deaths are not the cause of law
enforcement, but of private citizens.
Should the citizens of the USA have their gun powers taken away? No, I don't
think so. Should they be more regulated? Definately! Should guns sellers be
held responsible for the gun they sell to a criminal? Most certainly! But
the United States is a free country...part of that freedom is the freedom to
carry a gun. So if someone asks is freedom actually free? No way! The United
States pays for their freedom to carry a gun, the 11,000 that die every year
by gunfire in the USA is the price the country pays for their right to
carry.
But, the whole idea behind law enforcement carrying a firearm in the USA is
to level the playing field. But only 1 out of 50 officers will unholster
their weapon with the intent to use it, and of those 1 in 50, only 1 in 100
will actually fire it, and of that only 1 in 1000 will cause a death. Police
arent to blame for gun violence, if anything they are there to try to
control it and if possible prevent it and at the minimum reduce it.
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in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people, people
kill people. Plain and simple.
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> <Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> escribió en el mensaje
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> When do you think to burn and renew this odd an ancient ridiculous
> Constitution you have?...Thanks to this obsolete Constitution, American
> democracy and Republic is one of the most complex and less representative
or
> truly "democratic" one on Earth.
>
> No, man, killing devices AREN'T COOL, and a Constitution written by
ancient
> bearded men who had colts on their belts, a Constitution that tells you
must
> own arms in order to protect yourself against your own government by means
> of militias, and a Constitution that tells you it's right you to have the
> possibility of killing another folk near your pocket is NOT COOL. This was
> suitable when indians were around and you wanted to exterminate them, but
> not nowadays.
> In fact, your silly Constitution gives you the absolute right of having a
> missile launcher or even a nuclear weapon on your garage, you fool.
>
> Go and renew that obsolete Constitution and perhaps this will become
somehow
> cool.
>
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>
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"Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> wrote:
Constitutions are not set in concrete, they can be amended but with the
powerful gun lobby and their links to the republican party (terrorists) this
will never happen. Amerika is not a free country. You cannot call someone a
nigger or a kike or a gook without being sued. Hell you can't even board a
plane with a nail file any more. Quoting me police public relations
department propaganda with dodgy statistics will not help your cause. One
only needs to watch an Amerikan news broadcast of the police trying to
subdue someone after a robbery or a car chase to know how fucked up their
ideology is. 20 guns pointed at someone who is unarmed like they need every
one of them to stop him getting away shouting "get down on the ground!" Oh
Please.
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at the robber because they don't KNOW he's unarmed. That's why they do that.
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> Josema, the US constitution is the LONGEST and OLDEST running constitution
> in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
No, that means that this is OLD and this is not able to cover modern needs,
so lawyers can step over this old text, twisting and distorting it as much
as they want, simply because the fact "was not a possibility when the
Constitution was done".
A rigid and ancient Constitution is not a help, just a curiosity everybody
punches and kicks. Bearded men are anymore running on streets bearing a colt
and the saloons doesn't anymore need to be ruled...fullstop. Democracy
evolutioned a lot since that old paper, nations go ahead, if you want to
saty stuck a pair of centuries ago thanks to this outdated Constitution this
is your problem, just look at how the senate and president are choosed with
one of the less direct and less democratic system on Earth that your
Constitution describes. No way to really control the power your President
takes, no rule of people, an absurd Senate that does nothing...Really
pathetic, as seen on last Bush's robbery of Presidence a pair of years ago.
>
> Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people, people
> kill people. Plain and simple.
I agree with you here
But you shouldn't come here and shout you have a new weapon, this is
CHILDISH. Since I watched Bowling for Columbine I feel sorry for Americans
with this weapons issue. USA walks backwards, and backwards, and backwards
on History and Human issues...just look at them, using the brute force, the
menace, the arrogance, the lie and the war when the rest of people believe
on peace and inteligence and harmony...can anybody tell the cut marines they
arrived late to the age of Empires?...even their dick is an outdated example
of abuse an ancient nonsense...
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
Nobody is telling law enforcers should'n bear weapons, Kenny.
It's plain people who on civilized nations are not allowed to buy
semi-automatic weapons and ammunition at Wallmart, folk.
Cheers,
Josema
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LOL!...did you see the images featuring the "brave" marines shooting
civilian cars that simply didn't understand english and stopping peaceful
Iraki trials with bayonets on their guns?. BAYONETS!!!!. The image is so
nice...twenty marines with full equipment and dark glasses with bayonets
pointing three old men and two children on a peaceful trial (6-7 humvees and
a pair of tanks behind them armed and ready in the case the old men asking
for work and food had a nuclear weapon behind their pants... ). So nice the
image was all around the World showing up the Amerikan "bravery". I am sure
Amerikan press censored this and much much other images like this.
Thanks God the daily dead of Amerikan invaders can't be hided, no matter how
many weapons they have they always find someone who had less weapons but a
bigger bravery.
Guns only help to disguise men's cowardness, gives power to latent arrogance
and evil, no more no less.
Once on life I agree with you, Serial.
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
> Well, because people can get guns in America the police point their 20
guns
> at the robber because they don't KNOW he's unarmed. That's why they do
that.
>
And do you feel proud about this cycle?...
Cheers,
Josema
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> Well, because people can get guns in America the police point their 20 guns
> at the robber because they don't KNOW he's unarmed. That's why they do that.
They have him handcuffed with two guys kneeling on him yet they still need 2
dozen drawn guns just in case he gets away. What a crock of shit. It's all
acting.
Serialpest
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> Josema, the US constitution is the LONGEST and OLDEST running constitution
> in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
And what about the amendments? Mmmm yeah.
> Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people, people
> kill people. Plain and simple.
Oh please. Guns are for killing people. That is their only purpose.
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> Agreed, no matter how much I dislike the USA, I have to say that they have
> the best form of government there is and the most well written and executed
> documented constitution in history.
A constitution written during a war that has nothing to do with today. No
wonder Amerika is so fucked up.
FitzHerbert
Yes, to an outsider America [sic] certainly seems to be something of a
police state. Did you know that in Florida, the Filth can raid your
trailer and imprison you for doing nothing more than your missus up
the gary?
The irony is that the Merkins moan about how Islamic countries have no
civil rights.
Furthermore the gun fixation is very worrying. I remember reading an
article where they said over 75% of Merkin gun-owners use their gun
for (anal) masturbation at least once in their lives. And this was a
nation-wide survey, I believe, not just in Texas.
The Cult of Gun as Phallus is truly bizarre. I mean what kind of sick
mentality confuses an organ of creation with an instrument of death in
the first place?
Have you been to alt.talk.guns?
Hope this helps,
Neville
FitzHerbert
Yes, to an outsider America [sic] certainly seems to be something of a
police state. Did you know that in Florida, the Filth can raid your
trailer and imprison you for doing nothing more than your missus up
the gary?
The irony is that the Merkins moan about how Islamic countries have no
civil rights.
Furthermore the gun fixation is very worrying. I remember reading an
article where they said over 75% of Merkin gun-owners use their guns
for (anal) masturbation at least once in their lives. And this was a
nation-wide survey, I believe, not just in Texas.
The Cult of Gun as Phallus is truly bizarre. I mean what kind of sick
mentality confuses an organ of creation with an instrument of death in
the first place?
Have you been to talk.politics.guns?
Hope this helps,
Neville
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<<Sigh>> Jus another anti-gun nut.
Kenny Thomas
Constitution. The way the constitution works is so complex but yet so
simple. First of all lawyers do not interpret or distort the laws or the
constitution, the judges do. That's their job. But that aside, the US
constitution is vague...it doesn't specifically list things that need to be
done. It's open ended. This is why it works so well. Now...I must admit,
there are some things that aren't covered in the constitution because they
weren't around then, such as the internet etc...but, they don't need
ammendments or have rules listed in the constitution for that to work.
Remember the constitution does not give the laws of the land...it is just a
skeleton of what the government is made of and how it should be run. The
laws of the land that govern the people don't come directly from the
constitution, but come from the US Code. If you go out and kill someone,
your not breaking an ammendment in the US Constitution...even though it says
in the constitution about not depriving someone of life libery or
property...that doesn't apply to you the citizen, but to the government. The
US Constitution is saying "The GOVERNMENT can't deprive someone of life,
liberty or process without due process of law" But since we know, and yuo
know that murder is terrible and should be illegal we made a LAW, a CODE
that says murder is illegal. And the government's right to create such a law
came from the constitution. I think you have gravely misunderstood exactly
what a constitution is.
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situation where someone may be armed, your body releases a chemical called
epinephrine, or adrenaline. That chemical is your bodies automatic reaction
to stress. It causes autonomic nerves to function, and controls parts of
your body that you otherwise would have to think of controling. In other
words it makes you stronger, and more anxious.
Yes, the guy is on the ground, yes he is handcuffed, yes he is no longer a
threat, but your body is full of adrenaline and you "over react". See the
problem with what your saying is that you have never been in a situation
like that...you don't know what happens to your body or what you are
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> Yes, to an outsider America [sic] certainly seems to be something of a
> police state. Did you know that in Florida, the Filth can raid your
> trailer and imprison you for doing nothing more than your missus up
> the gary?
>
> The irony is that the Merkins moan about how Islamic countries have no
> civil rights.
>
> Furthermore the gun fixation is very worrying. I remember reading an
> article where they said over 75% of Merkin gun-owners use their gun
> for (anal) masturbation at least once in their lives. And this was a
> nation-wide survey, I believe, not just in Texas.
Oh dear. That certainly adds new meaning to being shot up the ass. I'm sure
even Hugh Young would find that painful.
Kenny Thomas
recieve them for you either. The amunition can be bought there tho. I
honestly think there should be stricter regulations on guns! But just
because I think something, doesn't make it so.
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Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
formers and signers of the Constitution, you would then know that the
"Militia" is constituted of every citizen of the country.
CoolBoyHot wrote:
>
> >From: Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
>
> >You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool???
>
> Theres nothing in the const that gives him a right to a gun.. unless hes in a
> militia.
>
> What sane country lets an 18yr old boy virgin...and wannabe cop... with bad
> attitude...and his own foreskin website...have a gun????
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
his cut or uncut status.
Ocenturian35 wrote:
>
> >From: Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
> >Newsgroups: alt.circumcision
> >Date: Sun, 27 Jul 2003 15:19:28
>
> >You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool???
>
> No Maze, he is saying that an 18 year old virgin that has threatened suicide on
> ALT.DEPRESSION with chilling suicidal ideation and self hatred as to claim he
> has only a cat as a freind. May not be the best person too be walking, around
> the neighborhood armed? I am a fervant believer in the right to bear arms
> however read kenny's suicide note and tell us honestly he deserves a handgun.
> BTW Kenny claims to hate the USA and Jews.
> And has threatened to kill US soldiers (If he could.) Will you take
> responsibility when this kid finaly blows a gasket? You claim to be rich? Here
> and now publicly declare you will be held financialy responsible for any of
> kennie's future shooting victims when he blows? Didn't think so. I love the
> second ammendment however not for individuals suffering suicidal ideation, and
> a self loathing hatred of the USA combined with threats to kill USA
> servicemen!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
their website and learn the model numbers.
Kenny Thomas wrote:
>
> Really? That's awesome! Do you have any pics of it? I was thinking about
> also buying a .22 glock for just target practice, 50 shots for 9 dollars is
> a lot for a 40 cal. :( but its still fun! :D How much did your 23 cost you?
> I payed 448 for my 22, not including the permit and other small fees.
>
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> <Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> wrote in message
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> >
> >
> > Kenny Thomas wrote:
> > >
> > > This has absolutely nothing to do with circumcision, but I am telling
> > > everyone (just cause I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
> > >
> > > It's a glock 22! You can see pictures of it here:
> > >
> > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-closed.jpg
> > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/hi-cap-clip.jpg
> > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-left.jpg
> > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-right.jpg
> > >
> http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-major-components-disass
> > > embled.jpg
> > >
> > > Cool huh? :P
> > >
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> > I have two Glocks...a 19 and a 23.
Jigsaw1695
> On 3/8/03 2:03 AM, in article
> f85d58f0.03080...@posting.google.com, "FitzHerbert"
> <FitzHerb...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> > Yes, to an outsider America [sic] certainly seems to be something of a
> > police state. Did you know that in Florida, the Filth can raid your
> > trailer and imprison you for doing nothing more than your missus up
> > the gary?
====
Oh really!??
I have lived in Florida for over thirty years I have never heard of any
instance as you have described. However, I have heard that the French are
quite fond of being rogered up their backside.
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
Civilised country???? You mean like Australia or the U.K. or any other
gun grabber country where the number of hot burglaries (Where the
residents have been home) have increased ten fold, or a thousand percent
since the guns have been collected and self protection has been
eliminated?
Josema wrote:
>
> "Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> escribió en el mensaje
> news:APBUa.26316$J%2.31...@news.alltel.net...
> > This has absolutely nothing to do with circumcision, but I am telling
> > everyone (just cause I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
> >
> > It's a glock 22! You can see pictures of it here:
>
> You're insane if you have a killing device on your pocket and are so happy
> about this you even give the new on a public Newsgroup...
>
> Why don't you change your residence country instead of buying guns?. You
> wouldn't need one if lived on a civilized country
>
> >
> http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-major-components-disass
> > embled.jpg
> >
> > Cool huh? :P
>
> A gun is never cool, you umbalanced!!!...
>
> Cheers,
> Josema
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
Colts during the days of the forming of the Constitution. There were
only flintlock firearms.
As far as the so-called outdated Constitution is concerned, there is no
country on the face of the Earth that people from other countries would
rather migrate to.
And, yes, firearms should be owned to prevent tyranny from one's own
government as well as foreign invaders, particularly the former, which
can be evidenced all over the world. Iraq might be a good example.
A government where only the police or the military only posses the arms
is destined to become a tyrannical government.
Sorry, but historically, that's the way it works.
Josema wrote:
>
> <Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> escribió en el mensaje
> news:3F244FF0...@proxy1.brunei.bn...
> >
> >
> > CoolBoyHot wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: "Kenny Thomas"
> > >
> > > >I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
> > >
> > > >It's a glock 22!
> > >
> > > >Cool huh? :P
> > >
> > > No its not cool.... its totally uncool.
> >
> > You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool??? You're as
> > much of a Doofus as Darrin.
>
> When do you think to burn and renew this odd an ancient ridiculous
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
Name more than one....and England is NOT one of them.
Winding Highway wrote:
>
> >From: "Kenny Thomas" ke...@tacep.org
> >Date: 7/31/2003
>
> >I am proud of
> >my new gun, it's sharp looking, and is REQUIRED for my training. Even your
> >peace officers in Spain carry a weapon.
>
> Spain is hardly a model for anything. Let us remember that most of the worlds
> population live in societies where even the police do not normally carry guns.
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
own a firearm, like Switzerland, where Hitler decided NOT to invade with
the Vermacht, are the most law abiding and crime free on the face of the
planet.
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
Kenny Thomas wrote:
>
> Josema, the US constitution is the LONGEST and OLDEST running constitution
> in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
>
> Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people, people
> kill people. Plain and simple.
>
Here, Here, Kenny.
In the U.K. where you can't get a gun, a terrorist just has to walk into
a school with a knife in order to slaughter innocent children as is
evidenced just a few years ago.
FitzHerbert
> > > Yes, to an outsider America [sic] certainly seems to be something of a
> > > police state. Did you know that in Florida, the Filth can raid your
> > > trailer and imprison you for doing nothing more than your missus up
> > > the gary?
> ============================================================================
> ====
>
> Oh really!??
>
> I have lived in Florida for over thirty years I have never heard of any
> instance as you have described.
Jiggy, anal sex is _illegal_ in Florida.
> However, I have heard that the French are quite fond of being rogered up
> their backside.
Hoo-ray!! Let's go to France!
FitzHerbert
> > Josema, the US constitution is the LONGEST and OLDEST running constitution
> > in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
No it doesn't, Kenny. It means you're stuck with it.
> > Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people, people
> > kill people. Plain and simple.
>
> Here, Here, Kenny.
>
> In the U.K. where you can't get a gun
Eh? Who told you that? Many country types own rifles and/or shotguns.
How else are farmers supposed to kill themsehns?
> a terrorist just has to walk into a school with a knife in order to slaughter
> innocent children as is evidenced just a few years ago.
What "terrorist" was that? I do wish people would stop misusing that
word.
The only use that handguns have is for harming folk. This is not the
case with a knife. That is why handguns are banned in the UK and
knives are not. Same goes for hammers.
Care to compare murder rates?
FitzHerbert
<snip gun-love>
> And, yes, firearms should be owned to prevent tyranny from one's own
> government as well as foreign invaders, particularly the former, which
> can be evidenced all over the world. Iraq might be a good example.
Is that the same Iraq in which Merkin troops are confiscating firearms
from civilians?
> A government where only the police or the military only posses the arms
> is destined to become a tyrannical government.
>
> Sorry, but historically, that's the way it works.
Well, the UK is doing okay with very limited firearm ownership. At
least we elected our last PM (even if he is a wanker). Can you say the
same about your last president? Plus we hant been conquered in ages.
FitzHerbert
> Oh, and by the way....The countries where the populace is required to
> own a firearm, like Switzerland,
I don't know much about Switzerland. Is this accurate?
"Since the origins of the Swiss Confederation in 1291, it has been the
duty of every male Swiss citizen to be armed and to serve in the
militia. After basic training, each soldier receives a military
firearm and ammunition to keep at home, to facilitate rapid
mobilisation of the armed forces. The ammunition is received in a
sealed box, which may be opened only in a warlike emergency. The box
and the seal on it are checked during every service, that is at least
once every year.
Despite claims that Switzerland is one of the most armed countries in
the world, only 27% of Swiss households have firearms, 60% of which
are military weapons. This figure is comparable to Canada, Finland and
Norway, and is a consequence of the high proportion of foreigners
(18%) and the many female-headed and single person households in
Switzerland. In short, despite having a militia, firearm ownership
rates in Switzerland are analogous to other countries.
Although firearm numbers in Switzerland are similar to other
countries, its gun death rate is high, a consequence of its elevated
suicide rate.
[...]
Killias also refutes claims that the high number of firearms in
Switzerland significantly reduces burglaries. First, and has been
mentioned, firearm numbers in Switzerland are comparable to other
countries, and so are not high, despite the presence of a militia.
Secondly, it is prohibited to keep military guns loaded at home, and
an unloaded weapon, with the ammunition in a sealed box is not much of
a deterrent to burglars.
Following several mass murders with guns, concern about crime and
outside pressure to toughen their gun control laws, Switzerland
strengthened and standardised these in 1996, so reducing provincial
(cantonal) control of firearms by strengthening federal jurisdiction.
"
http://www.gca.org.za/facts/briefs/10switzerland.htm
> where Hitler decided NOT to invade with the Vermacht
Why would he bother? How many Nazis did the Swiss kill in WW2?
> are the most law abiding and crime free on the face of the planet.
What was that story about Swiss bank accounts and WW2?
Hope this helps,
Neville
FitzHerbert
> Oh, really???
>
> Name more than one....and England is NOT one of them.
Police in England do not normally carry guns.
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/1/2003
>The gun doesn't kill people, people
>kill people
Actually, people with guns kill people.
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/2/2003
> I think you have gravely misunderstood exactly
>what a constitution is.
I would agree with that. Josema's understanding of the US is extraordinarily
naive -- its at the level of comic-book propaganda.
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/2/2003
>If you have ever read the Federalist Papers, which was written by the
>formers and signers of the Constitution, you would then know that the
>"Militia" is constituted of every citizen of the country.
Well... the federalist papers were written by SOME of the formers and signers
of the constitution. And to them, a citizen was a white male - the idea of
black americans toting firearms would have horrified them. In practice, even
gun nuts accept that there is no right for "every citizen" to own a gun --
among others, convicted felons and certified lunatics are generally not allowed
to have them. Of course, in a society saturated with guns, felons and lunatics
have no problem arming themselves.
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/2/2003
>Oh, really???
>Name more than one....and England is NOT one of them.
England IS one -- the police in England (and Ireland) do not normally carry
guns. Guns are issued only to special tactical units like the terrorist squad.
Ive never seen an English police officer with a gun, except at heathrow
airport. There are many other countries where the police do not normally carry
guns, including China, New Zealand, and most of the former communist countries
of cental and eastern europe.
FitzHerbert
> The gun doesn't kill people
That's a shame, Kenny.
If I were you I'd take it back to the shop and ask for my money back.
Hope this helps,
Neville
Josema
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> No, its called adrenaline. If someone aims a gun at you, or you are in a
> situation where someone may be armed, your body releases a chemical called
> epinephrine, or adrenaline. That chemical is your bodies automatic
reaction
> to stress. It causes autonomic nerves to function, and controls parts of
> your body that you otherwise would have to think of controling. In other
> words it makes you stronger, and more anxious.
>
> Yes, the guy is on the ground, yes he is handcuffed, yes he is no longer a
> threat, but your body is full of adrenaline and you "over react". See the
> problem with what your saying is that you have never been in a situation
> like that...you don't know what happens to your body or what you are
> thinking...
>
How many inocent civilians your "adrenalined", "nervous", "stronger" and
"anxious" marines killed at Afghanistan, Irak and hundred other Amerikan
wars?. Murder is the name. Others call this "trigger happy cowardly" and
"low professionality", Kenny. One doesn't need to act like Rambo or shot
children or reporters on an hotel in order to do a balanced and fair task,
man. You soldiers are umbalanced, coward and highly nervous because they
know nobody loves them anywhere...They are the bullies on this story, slaves
of the Empire, their task is not Humanitarian, their task is destructive and
distorting, somebody can put a bullet on their head in two seconds because
they don't work for peace. Another day another dead Amerikan invader at
Irak, you see...Amerikans there don't know what the hell they are fighting
for, but Irakians are fighting for their liberty and land (always remember
you are the invaders and the murders, the dictators now), you will always
lose. If your nasty mercenaries were on their country doing their own
business instead of fighting inocents for the glory of Bush and your
ridiculous Constitution that gives unlimited power to your "Presi" and a
zero power to Parlament this wouldn't happen, they shouldn't discharge their
murder "adrenaline discharge" against old men on a trial or children on a
car or journalists on an hotel. Amerikans have inocent blood on their hands,
always had.
Don't try to give reasons for the arrogant and umbalanced behavior of people
who have the "power" guns give, Kenny. This overreaction is typically
Amerikan, Amerikans like to do a show about everything, like the fake and
absurd show they gave when rescuing to private Lynch, the whole world is
laughing about the Amerika "Rambos" who did the show as if they were
fighting an army while there was (and they knew) not a single enemy soldier
in ten miles. Lynch was crying and pissing on his panties when captured, as
demonstrated later, not fighting Irakians as your twisted media wanted to
shove down our throats.
Who can trust Amerikans, masters of the lie?...
This doesn't happen on polices in other parts of the world, and this doesn't
make them less efficient. They have a respect and not such a love for
guns...gun is a tool that must be used when the rest fails, not as soon as
the "profesional" police or soldiers feels "adrenaline" or shit on their
pants.
Cheers,
Josema
Power Vegan
Josema
<Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> escribió en el mensaje
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Oh, yes, and if teachers and children had guns on their pockets that baddie
with the knife wouldn't enter the school to do such a nasty thing that
happens because normal people are not armed...If dared a firefight like on a
saloon could take place for a better amusement...
Oh, why didn't I think about this before?...
So, having a weapon is a solution for exactly...what?. The evil is in your
head, the easy possession of a weapon only spoils that evil. The more
weapons the more bullets, the more bullets the more "adrenaline discharge"
as Kenny tells, and the more "adrenaline discharges" the more heads broken
by CIVILIAN gunfire.
This is simple, plain and easy. If you are afraid of your government being
tyrannical, buy a gun...OR CREATE A SERIOUS CONSTITUTION TO CONTROL THAT
GOVERMENT. But on nations where we live and trust true democracy we don't
need them, thanks. Our government protects us, not us against a phantom
menace. Guns are for soldiers, law enforcers and criminals, not for people
who lives on normal and sane societies where neighbors don't shot neighbors
for stepping over the flowers on the garden.
On nations where our government cares for us routine circumcision is not
allowed. Human beings have the basic right of body integrity if eveything is
healthy. Doesn't your USA government aknowledge that right?...what a
pity...buy a gun in the case they want to cut you a hand next...
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
"FitzHerbert" <FitzHerb...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn wrote in message
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>
> > > Josema, the US constitution is the LONGEST and OLDEST running
constitution
> > > in the world that is still running. That means that it works.
>
> No it doesn't, Kenny. It means you're stuck with it.
>
> > > Killing devices are just that devices. The gun doesn't kill people,
people
> > > kill people. Plain and simple.
> >
> > Here, Here, Kenny.
> >
> > In the U.K. where you can't get a gun
>
> Eh? Who told you that? Many country types own rifles and/or shotguns.
> How else are farmers supposed to kill themsehns?
>
> > a terrorist just has to walk into a school with a knife in order to
slaughter
> > innocent children as is evidenced just a few years ago.
>
> What "terrorist" was that? I do wish people would stop misusing that
> word.
You know, Fitz, now for Amerikans every bad guy is a "terrorist".
Typical distortion you should be used to...didn''t them spoil last two wars
in the name of "fighting terrorists"?.
Didn't you watch the movie "Bowling for Columbine"?. Amerikans always need
to draw an enemy, a general enemy their Government likes to use in order to
fool citizens. USA has a Constitution that gives them a police state,
absolute police state. Now that Comunists are anymore a believable menace
it's muslims and "terrorists" turn, so the police state can keep its war
machine and absolute control status.
Due to my work I know more about political movements and USA (and others)
Constitutions than Kenny thinks...
"Terrorists" are the 600 poor (mostly inocent) men that are locked and
without basic Human Rights or a judgement at Guantanamo, the World doesn't
forget how "American Justice, Liberty and Respect" works.
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
"Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> escribió en el mensaje
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> Well...you have proven that you know very little about the United States
> Constitution.
Kenny, if something you should know about me after more than two years
writing here it's I NEVER write a word unless I KNOW what I am talking
about. I always booted troll assess by offering well informed and true text
and links, never just waving and jumping or calling names, you know. Is your
memory so weak?...
Should I send you a copy of this?...
"Section. 2. The House of Representatives shall be composed of
Members chosen every second Year by the People of the several States,
and the Electors in each State shall have the Qualifications requisite
for Electors of the most numerous Branch of the State Legislature.
No Person shall be a Representative who shall not have attained
to the age of twenty five Years, and been seven Years a Citizen of the
United States, and who shall not, when elected, be an Inhabitant of that
State in which he shall be chosen."
I DO know USA Constitution, folk.
Why don't you search for an Spanish or French or German Constitution text in
english and see the differences and understand the uselessness of these old
papers you have and are so proud of?
The way the constitution works is so complex but yet so
> simple. First of all lawyers do not interpret or distort the laws or the
> constitution, the judges do. That's their job. But that aside, the US
> constitution is vague...it doesn't specifically list things that need to
be
> done. It's open ended. This is why it works so well.
Every Constitution is open ended, man!
Now...I must admit,
> there are some things that aren't covered in the constitution because they
> weren't around then, such as the internet etc...but, they don't need
> ammendments or have rules listed in the constitution for that to work.
> Remember the constitution does not give the laws of the land...it is just
a
> skeleton of what the government is made of and how it should be run.
I am civil servant, don't explain me what a Constitution is, guy!
The
> laws of the land that govern the people don't come directly from the
> constitution, but come from the US Code. If you go out and kill someone,
> your not breaking an ammendment in the US Constitution...even though it
says
> in the constitution about not depriving someone of life libery or
> property...that doesn't apply to you the citizen, but to the government.
The
> US Constitution is saying "The GOVERNMENT can't deprive someone of life,
> liberty or process without due process of law"
Really?...Then, why don't you apply this to the people at Guantanamo,
man?...Your government deprived them of liberty and process without due
process of law. Parlament don't tells a shit, lawyers don't tell a shit.
What do you have to tell about this, Kenny?...Is your Constitution really an
old puppet your government uses and distorts according to their private
interest?. How would you explain this ammendment to a guy at Guantanamo, put
there by your government?...
But since we know, and yuo
> know that murder is terrible and should be illegal we made a LAW, a CODE
> that says murder is illegal. And the government's right to create such a
law
> came from the constitution. I think you have gravely misunderstood exactly
> what a constitution is.
No, it's you who misunderstood and thought I don't know the rule a
Constitution has and didn't know the difference among a Constitution and a
law.
In Spain, like most of modern democracies, Law and Government are
absolutelly separated. Constitution gives the skeleton and puts the limits,
Parliament creates the laws that develop the Constitution promoted by
Government or other Parliament parties, and lawyers in different parcels
apply and interpret these laws and codes created to apply a law. Parliament
has the power, not an Emperor-like Bushpresident. There is a different Court
that controls everything done by Parliament or Government is into
Constitution, it's not ordinary lawyers who do but an independent Court.
Every function and every structure and purpose is clearly set by
Constitution, an mainly how every body controls the nice and legal work of
the rest of bodies, establishing exact rules and procedures that later are
developed by Parliament laws.
Parliament directly represents people according to the election results, 18
Parliaments existent at Spain do, according to the 18 Constititions we have
(1 general, 17 regional).
All of these Constitutions, including the main one can be CHANGED if needs
are so big, following a complex but POSSIBLE procedure. It's rigid
Constitution, Constitutions must stay on time, stay but not STUCK, never
stuck since times change and needs change too.
Download and read the Spanish Constitution (I recommend because this is an
easy to understand Constitution, written with modern talk) and stop thinking
your old papers are the best an only Constitution in the World, pal.
Just the fact this gives you the right to bear an arm and form a militia
because you shouldn't trust the Government and society this Constitution
figures to create and rule tells you a lot about absurdity and faults and
about the kind of police state you always lived under. This government
doesn't serve you...serves himself. Uncle Sam was called once, Big Bro is
called nowadays. And you serve him with your happy marine gun to fight "the
enemies of your nation", your sons being mutilated at Sam's orders and your
rancid and blind usual "patriotism" attacks.
Poor Amerikans, under this police and militar state. When will you boot the
dictatorship that drowns your liberties instead of trying to give them?
Cheers,
Josema
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/3/2003
>n Spain, like most of modern democracies, Law and Government are
>absolutelly separated. Constitution gives the skeleton and puts the limits,
>Parliament creates the laws that develop the Constitution promoted by
>Government or other Parliament parties, and lawyers in different parcels
>apply and interpret these laws and codes created to apply a law. Parliament
>has the power, not an Emperor-like Bushpresident. There is a different Court
>that controls everything done by Parliament or Government is into
>Constitution, it's not ordinary lawyers who do but an independent Court.
>Every function and every structure and purpose is clearly set by
>Constitution, an mainly how every body controls the nice and legal work of
>the rest of bodies, establishing exact rules and procedures that later are
>developed by Parliament laws.
>Parliament directly represents people according to the election results, 18
>Parliaments existent at Spain do, according to the 18 Constititions we have
>(1 general, 17 regional).
Why doesnt Josema-Jarri mention the role of the new KING in this miraculous
constitution of a "modern democracy?"
Was it democratic to ban Basque newspapers and Basque candidates in recent
elections? Are Spanish voters not mature enough to evaluate news and choose
who they wish to represent them?
Is there any chance that Spanish freedom and independence will be extended to
Spains two colonies in Morocco -- the only remaining European colonies on the
African continent?
Will Spain recognize the recent referendum in which more than 99 percent of the
residents of Gibraltar voted against ANY connection with Spain -- or will the
great Spanish democracy continue to demand the annexation of this profoundly
unwilling territory?
Will the Spanish fishing fleet stop its arrogant invasion of the sovereign
fishing grounds of other nations, notably Ireland, that lack a navy to stop
this rapacious banditry?
How did Spain, blessed with this superb constitution and stuffed from border to
border with sagacious citizens who deplore the United States, end up the # 3
partner to the apeish warmonger Bush?
Something is rotten in the Kingdom of Spain.
Jigsaw1695
"Desmond Coughlan" <pasdespa...@zeouane.org> wrote in message
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> Le 3 Aug 2003 11:05:41 -0700, FitzHerbert <FitzHerb...@hotmail.com>
a écrit :
>
> >> The gun doesn't kill people
>
> > That's a shame, Kenny.
> >
> > If I were you I'd take it back to the shop and ask for my money back.
>
>
> _The_ funniest rejoinder to news:alt.activism.death-penalty this year ...
>
> --
> Desmond Coughlan
======================================
It doesn't even come close to your statement that you are a lawyer in
France.
Josema
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> Filthy sick pedophile.
>
Told by a filthy sick troll?
How uneducated and umbalanced AOLers can be?...Not a surprise at all.
You gave personal attack instead of contributing to a civilized
conversation, so welcome to my killfilter, now you can continue crawling out
of your sewer ALONE, folk.
Cheers,
Josema
Ocenturian35
>Newsgroups: alt.circumcision
>Date: 4 Aug 2003 00:45:06 -0500
>"Power Vegan" <p...@aol.com> escribió en el mensaje
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>> Filthy sick pedophile.
>Told by a filthy sick troll?
No the damnable evidence that you are a perverted, sick deranged child molester
is known to all that post here. You are a monster that god should remove from
this world!!!!Less you molest and possibly kill more Morrocan children.
Josema
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>NOT a killing device...a protection device.
>Civilised country???? You mean like Australia or the U.K. or any other
>gun grabber country where the number of hot burglaries (Where the
>residents have been home) have increased ten fold,
First, "hot burglaries" are such a big crime this is not usually reported at
Spain because this simply doesn't exist. Burglaries are commited when people
are not at home because they are on trip or at work, and on this situation
it doesn't matter the house owner had a dozen guns at home or not. So, can
you demonstrate that "ten fold hot burglaries increase or a thousand percent
at Australia or U.K.?. Your statment was ridiculous and absolutely an
invention unless you give details and sources. And mainly, how can you
demonstrate this supposed increase has to do with the absence of firearms at
private homes?.
> or a thousand percent
>since the guns have been collected and self protection has been
>eliminated?
Second, I don't know at U.K. or Australia, at Spain guns have never been
collected for the simple reason they were never allowed. You pay taxes, you
live on a civilized society, so it's your government who is supposed to
protect your interests and properties, not oneself as if this was a jungle.
If you don't trust your justice, your police and your government and army,
please, better stop paying taxes and go and live on a desert forest
(pointing your rifle through your wooden window just to be ready in the case
somebody came to robb you...)
Third, how is it you say "self protection has been eliminated".?. How?
Look man, if on your crazy country it's usual a folk with an automatic gun
to enter your house in order to robb your sockets pointing you with a gun,
in other countries this is NOT usual.
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
>Actually, you have no accurate knowledge of history. There were no
>Colts during the days of the forming of the Constitution. There were
>only flintlock firearms.
>As far as the so-called outdated Constitution is concerned, there is no
>country on the face of the Earth that people from other countries would
>rather migrate to.
This is that you think. Migration is an Universal fact, this doesn't happen
only at USA, USA is not center of the World as you usually think while
waving that bars and stripes flag kissing your Emperor's ass. And this is
right, USA is one of the most racist nations all around the World (look how
they are menacing, locking and trying to exterminate muslims as an
identity), this nation was built by slaves, and still nowadays they NEED the
free hands Mexicans and Puertoricans and others offer while they are
insulted and despised by the "great Merkins" (who are just the descendants
of these inmigrants, descendants of these who exterminated the true
Americans: the native Indians).
>And, yes, firearms should be owned to prevent tyranny from one's own
>government as well as foreign invaders, particularly the former, which
>can be evidenced all over the world. Iraq might be a good example.
A good example of what?. I remember you plain Irak population always had
guns, it's a tradition. Everybody having guns and even grenades at home
didn't prevent a Hussein's government to become tyrannical. Your example
absolutelly failed. These private guns said "hi" to Merkins as soon as they
put their unwanted noses at Irak, and still from time to time a private
bullet makes a hole on a Merkin marine. Recently USA had to raid homes and
banned guns, collecting hundreds of thems on every village. And I remember
you your airstrikes killed many civilians because it's an Irakian use to
shot the guns (private guns) on the air as a celebration. Idiotic pilots
several times thought this humble use was an attack and bombed innocents to
death. There was a gun at every home.
Please, get better information next time before showing up your ignorance
about foreign cultures and about the repugnant rol USA is playing with
invading a free and sovereign country like Irak in the name of oil and Bush
glory while pretending to act in the name of "American safety".
So you agree you are AFRAID of your own government. Tsk!, Tsk!...what a
pity!...then, what the hell do you want your beloved Constitution and System
for?
>A government where only the police or the military only posses the arms
>is destined to become a tyrannical government.
Will Italy, Portugal, Austria, Germany, France, Poland, U.K, Spain...become
a tyrannical government because their citizens don't have guns?...
LOL!!!!...then will USA be the only free democracy in the World thanks soon
or later they will be able to shot to dead to their governments?. Sincerely,
man, Merkins have something really wrong on their head if they can think and
tell such ridiculous things.
>Sorry, but historically, that's the way it works.
Yes, and historically, that's the way it works, every empire had a bloody
and excesive expense and corruption stage, then the empire fell and sent the
nation to shit. USA is on first stage. Are you ready for the fall and
misery?. Historically, that's the way it works, no force and arrogance
empire was succesful, never.
Genghis Khan, Catholic Kings, Britons, Carlomagno, Caesar, Napoleón,
Hitler...look at the destiny of these "great empires" and you will see
yours. It's just a mirror, historically that's the way it works, you told
this.
Cheers,
Josema
Secret Squirrel
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/4/2003
>Yes, and historically, that's the way it works, every empire had a bloody
>and excesive expense and corruption stage, then the empire fell and sent the
>nation to shit...
>Genghis Khan, Catholic Kings, Britons, Carlomagno, Caesar, Napoleón,
>Hitler...look at the destiny of these "great empires" and you will see
>yours.
Now why on earth didnt Josema-Jarri mention the cruelest, greedist, most
religiously obsessed of all the empires that "sent the nation to shit" --
Spain?
Josema
"FitzHerbert" <FitzHerb...@hotmail.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn wrote in message
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>
> <snip gun-love>
>
> > And, yes, firearms should be owned to prevent tyranny from one's own
> > government as well as foreign invaders, particularly the former, which
> > can be evidenced all over the world. Iraq might be a good example.
>
> Is that the same Iraq in which Merkin troops are confiscating firearms
> from civilians?
Oh, nonono...these must be other country called Irak and other different
troops called Merkins, but not theirs.
LOL!...
>
> > A government where only the police or the military only posses the arms
> > is destined to become a tyrannical government.
> >
> > Sorry, but historically, that's the way it works.
>
> Well, the UK is doing okay with very limited firearm ownership. At
> least we elected our last PM (even if he is a wanker).
Yes, we elected that SOAB called Aznar, who will be far booted out on 2004,
both of them are nasty subjects licking Merkin ass. But at least they were
elected on a clear system, and next time they can be probably un-elected.
And mainly we can publicly criticise them, it's our right. Merkins can't do
that, their media and injected "patriotism" dosis prevents that.
>Can you say the
> same about your last president?
They usually forget this Bush Emperor (sorry, President I meant) came to
power thanks to irregular help and dark business that ridiculized the
election outdated Amerikan system all around the World, I still remember the
columns on every Newspaper from Portugal to Malaysia. Even ONU offered an
impartial international watcher (like these used on suspicious or fraudulent
SouthAmerican or African elections). But Merkins forget, oh, their memory is
amazingly short.
This was the less democratic procedure on Earth, almost a militar strike.
Then Merkins unsigned Kyoto and boycoted International Court so Merkins
could do their will and modify International law to their own needs. But
Merkins shut up and bend in front of their new (still alcoholic?)
emperor...so far, their Constitution didn't prevent this situation, so they
didn't know what to do...so Bush, who had better "friends" than Gore came to
power.
>Plus we hant been conquered in ages.
LOL!...La Armada Invencible tried to do this once, but a storm sinked the
ships before the most formidable navy on History even reached British land.
Bad luck...;)
Amerika could have conquered the World by conquering the hearts, but instead
they choose to conquer the World by conquering the land and the economy, so
their Armada Invencible will come from them and an Armada Invencible will
sink their dreams forever, soon or later.
Cheers
Josema
"Secret Squirrel" <S...@newsfeeds.com> escribió en el mensaje
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> You filthy pedophile. Back to the sewer for you cockroach.
LOL!. I am not a pedophile just for criticising Amerika, but you, it's sure,
you're a TROLL, probably a MERKIN CIRCUMCISED AND PROMUTILATION TROLL,
unable to offer a conversation other than the same rancid and typical
insult. Man, where is your creativity?...better...where is your
BRAIN?...LOL...was circumcised with your foreskin?...
And you back to your own sewer, the Killfilter.
Bye, bye!
Cheers,
Josema
Kenny Thomas
random one at that) doesn't mean you know what you are talking about. I
could quote ancient texts written in latin, but that doesn't mean I
understand them.
Josema, I am not "proud" of the United States Constitution, but I have
studied it enough to know what it means and how powerful it is in the world
and in the United States. I do live here in the USA now you know? I took
American Government in school and am happy to report I recived and A in it.
How many American Government classes have you taken?
The Constitution of the United States was written in such a fashion to be
able to adapt and change to any event in any time regardless of the
situation.
Joesema, the Spanish, French, German, British etc... constitutions were
thrown out so many times because they just didn't work. Times changed and
they needed to disregard their constitution. There is a saying that goes "If
it's not broken, don't fix it". This applies to the United States
Constitution. No matter how much I hate the American Society, I must agree
that after living here for years I can say they have the most efficient
government in the world. Does that mean that it is perfect? No, of course
not. But the process that the government follows is flawless.
You statement about Guantanamo is completely rediculous, first of all you
wrote and I quote "Your government deprived them of liberty and process
without due process of law." If you knew anything about the US constitution
you would have recognized that I made a spelling mistake in my original
message, the actual quote is "The GOVERNMENT can't deprive someone of life,
liberty or /property/ without due process of law." I accidently put process
instead of property and you mimicked my mistake, if you know all these facts
about the constitution you should have corrected me, not copied my mistake.
Either way, it matters not, Gunatanamo is not a member of the Union, ie,
they are not part of the United States, the constitution does not apply to
them. However, I am not sure what you are talking about when you mention
them. Maybe I just dont remember or havent watched enough CNN lately, but
what did the USA do to them?
The United States has a total of 51 constitutions, 1 Federal and 50 state
constitutions. You do realize that Spain and the United States are not THAT
different in government with the exception that it is a Monarchy, the people
are represented in the government there just as they are here.
May I ask, what specifically you feel is wrong with the constitution of the
United States? Please, if you don't mind, quote specifics.
BTW, the right to bear arms in the United States is part of being a free
country. When the founding fathers created the constitution they
specifically created the 2nd amendment because of a man named George Mason.
George Mason, for those that don't know, wrote a letter to the fathers
saying that there should be a check against the militia. The fathers stated
they wanted the National Government to have the ability to call for and
create, arm and disipline an army within two years and be able to send them
off to fight in case of war. However, the opposing group (called the
anti-federalists, who wanted the federal government to be weaker and the
powers to rest with the people) said in short "Hey! Wait a minute! How is it
fair that you can arm these people and not let us carry arms?! What do we do
in times of peace when these soliders want something and just steal it?! Are
we to sit by and just let them have it?" So Mr. Mason said that an
additional check would be to allow EVERYONE to have arms. He said in his own
words "The best way to enslave a people is to disarm them" and he is right,
he continued and said "divine providence had given every individual the
right of self-defense, clearly including the right to defend one's political
liberty within that term." Which basically means that "we want protection
from our own government!" While it has never come to this (with the
exception of the civil war, which was actually a time of 2 seperate
constitutions) the right to defend yourself from anyone and anything,
including your own government is a God given right, otherwise you become
enslaved, or may become enslaved.
Kenny Thomas
around outside with guns shooting people at saloons. Deaths with firearms
occur as single crimes and in some cases serial crimes. The normal civilian
doesn't use his gun to kill people, a normal civilian uses his gun to hunt,
for sport and for fun. Contrary to what you might believe, more people shoot
at deer and paper targets in the USA than they do at people.
The United States Constitution practically strangles the US Government. Do
you realize how long it takes for a bill to become a law? (hears the
jailhouse rock theme and shakes his head clear) Months! Sometimes years! The
US Government can't go out and just pass laws, they can't raise taxes
without a 2/3 vote (which is harder than you might think when half of them
hate the other half). Do you realize that it was done that way on purpose?
The US Government, regardless of what you might think is probably the
weakest central government in the world right now! More power rest with the
people and the people want to be able to be armed. Simple as that.
"Josema" <a@b.c> wrote in message
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Kenny Thomas
necessarily, it takes a finger to pull the trigger.
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Kenny Thomas
<Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> wrote in message
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Actually, you have no accurate knowledge of history. There were no
Colts during the days of the forming of the Constitution. There were
only flintlock firearms.
As far as the so-called outdated Constitution is concerned, there is no
country on the face of the Earth that people from other countries would
rather migrate to.
And, yes, firearms should be owned to prevent tyranny from one's own
government as well as foreign invaders, particularly the former, which
can be evidenced all over the world. Iraq might be a good example.
A government where only the police or the military only posses the arms
is destined to become a tyrannical government.
Sorry, but historically, that's the way it works.
Josema wrote:
>
> <Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> escribió en el mensaje
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> >
> >
> > CoolBoyHot wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: "Kenny Thomas"
> > >
> > > >I'm so happy about it) that I have my first gun! :D
> > >
> > > >It's a glock 22!
> > >
> > > >Cool huh? :P
> > >
> > > No its not cool.... its totally uncool.
> >
> > You're saying, of course that the Constitution is uncool??? You're as
> > much of a Doofus as Darrin.
>
> When do you think to burn and renew this odd an ancient ridiculous
> Constitution you have?...Thanks to this obsolete Constitution, American
> democracy and Republic is one of the most complex and less representative
or
> truly "democratic" one on Earth.
>
> No, man, killing devices AREN'T COOL, and a Constitution written by
ancient
> bearded men who had colts on their belts, a Constitution that tells you
must
> own arms in order to protect yourself against your own government by means
> of militias, and a Constitution that tells you it's right you to have the
> possibility of killing another folk near your pocket is NOT COOL. This was
> suitable when indians were around and you wanted to exterminate them, but
> not nowadays.
> In fact, your silly Constitution gives you the absolute right of having a
> missile launcher or even a nuclear weapon on your garage, you fool.
>
> Go and renew that obsolete Constitution and perhaps this will become
somehow
> cool.
>
> Cheers,
> Josema
Kenny Thomas
Constitution or how the elections are done. The problem was florida's way of
voting and the type of ballots they used, that's all.
BTW, I agree Bush shouldn't be there.
Kenny Thomas
Ford plants, etc...back to the USA and take our 4.00 or whatever per hour
away from the Mexicans and pay the Americans 9.00 to do the same job...so
now the Mexicans and Puertoricans have to find another job...maybe working
in a factory for a little less than 50 cents an hour....hmmmm, personally I
don't think the Mexicans have a problem with American factorys and their
4.00 per hour wages...in fact I think they welcome them with open arms.
Anyone care to disagree?
The killed civilians in the war...terrible, but simply casualties of
war...it happens all the time.
No one said they were afraid of their own government...but if the USA were
to ever get a leader such as Hitler etc... the people have the ability to
fight back and defend themselves from their own country.
No further comments from me, except I agree with your last paragraph about
the great empires falling...America will have its turn I'm sure.
Kenny Thomas
calibre. A friend of mine bought a .22 barrel though for his miniglock and
swapped it out, and that's what it shoots. Didnt come from the factory that
way though.
<Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> wrote in message
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> Glock doesn't make a .22 calibre firearm. It's the model number. Go to
> their website and learn the model numbers.
>
>
>
>
> Kenny Thomas wrote:
> >
> > Really? That's awesome! Do you have any pics of it? I was thinking about
> > also buying a .22 glock for just target practice, 50 shots for 9 dollars
is
> > a lot for a 40 cal. :( but its still fun! :D How much did your 23 cost
you?
> > I payed 448 for my 22, not including the permit and other small fees.
> >
> > --
> > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > Join the TACEP forum where you can discuss
> > circumcision troll free! Have a problem with your
> > foreskin? Trying to decide to circumcise or not? The
> > TACEP forum is for you! Visit us at:
> > http://www.tacep.org/
> > See ya there!
> > <Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn> wrote in message
> > news:3F244F57...@proxy1.brunei.bn...
> > >
> > >
> > > Kenny Thomas wrote:
> > > >
> > > > This has absolutely nothing to do with circumcision, but I am
telling
> > > > everyone (just cause I'm so happy about it) that I have my first
gun! :D
> > > >
> > > > It's a glock 22! You can see pictures of it here:
> > > >
> > > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-closed.jpg
> > > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/hi-cap-clip.jpg
> > > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-left.jpg
> > > > http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-open-right.jpg
> > > >
> >
http://www.alltel.net/~airboy/images/glock22/glock22-major-components-disass
> > > > embled.jpg
> > > >
> > > > Cool huh? :P
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > <><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><><>
> > > > Join the TACEP forum where you can discuss
> > > > circumcision troll free! Have a problem with your
> > > > foreskin? Trying to decide to circumcise or not? The
> > > > TACEP forum is for you! Visit us at:
> > > > http://www.tacep.org/
> > > > See ya there!
> > >
> > > I have two Glocks...a 19 and a 23.
Kenny Thomas
States. Your going off on the wrong person buddy if you think I agree with
the American Soldiers even being in Iraq.
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Kenny Thomas
none I saw anyways. I did see one with a blackjack though...a club of sorts,
but that's it.
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> Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn wrote in message
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>
> > Oh, really???
> >
> > Name more than one....and England is NOT one of them.
>
> Police in England do not normally carry guns.
>
> > Winding Highway wrote:
> > >
> > > >From: "Kenny Thomas" ke...@tacep.org
> > > >Date: 7/31/2003
> >
> > > >I am proud of
> > > >my new gun, it's sharp looking, and is REQUIRED for my training. Even
your
> > > >peace officers in Spain carry a weapon.
> > >
> > > Spain is hardly a model for anything. Let us remember that most of
the worlds
> > > population live in societies where even the police do not normally
carry guns.
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/4/2003
> I
>could quote ancient texts written in latin, but that doesn't mean I
>understand them.
I can help with you with that :)
>the Spanish, French, German, British etc... constitutions were
>thrown out so many times because they just didn't work.
Britain has never had a written constitution. The British "constitution" is
a set of interrelated traditions, assumptions, and occasionally laws. The Brits
understand it rather well in an intuitive way. Its rather like cricket -- if
you werent to the manner born, its basically incomprehensible. Non-colonials
are quite perplexed about how a game of cricket can last three or four days,
with almost no perceptible action -- especially when one team stops scoring in
order to give the other team a sporting chance, or the whole excruciatingly
tedious event ends, as so often, in a draw.
>BTW, the right to bear arms in the United States is part of being a free
>country.
I think you would be hard pressed to find international evidence that an armed
citizenry is a prerequisite for freedom.
Kenny Thomas
permission...nothing has to be taken, just broken into...A robbery is when
something is stolen, you can actually be charged with both crimes, burglary
and robbery are totally different... :)
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> The United States Constitution practically strangles the US Government. Do
> you realize how long it takes for a bill to become a law? (hears the
> jailhouse rock theme and shakes his head clear) Months! Sometimes years!
And in the case of the 27th amendment, 203 years.
Proposed amendments now have an expiration date. If they are not passed
within a certain amount of time they lose their chance to become part of the
constitution. These laws were not in effect at the time what became the 27th
amendment was proposed, so it was able to come back to life after 200 years.
FYI, the 27th amendment says that if Congress votes itself a pay raise, no
one can get the extra money until after his seat has come up for election.
-E
Josema
> Josema, I am not "proud" of the United States Constitution, but I have
> studied it enough to know what it means and how powerful it is in the
world
> and in the United States. I do live here in the USA now you know? I took
> American Government in school and am happy to report I recived and A in
it.
> How many American Government classes have you taken?
And how many Spanish Government classes have you taken?
>
> The Constitution of the United States was written in such a fashion to be
> able to adapt and change to any event in any time regardless of the
> situation.
>
> Joesema, the Spanish, French, German, British etc... constitutions were
> thrown out so many times because they just didn't work.
Only French Constitution (that was forced at Spain because Napoleon's
invasion and once frenchies defetaed this "Constitution" was booted) and
Republican Constitution (due to the civil war that took Franco to power)
where thrown out. And this was not because they "didn't work", it was
because major events that by the way wanted to eliminate these
Constitutions. One of the reasons Franco attacked Spain was the Republican
Constitution, that was being built, gave liberties and self-Parliaments to
the Spanish regions that, according to Franco and nationalists with him
"menaced Spanish unity".
The 1978's Constitution is the first real and finished Constitution Spain
has, and so proud of this since this was done without a war, bravely
breaking a 40 years iron dictatorship, without social fight and without
dropping a single blood.
Times changed and
> they needed to disregard their constitution. There is a saying that goes
"If
> it's not broken, don't fix it".
This is the reason with the Basque separatist terrorists. They want
Independence to rule Basque under a terror iron hand. But Spanish territory
and how this is set is ruled at Constitution. Giving independence to an
Spanish region should be against Constitution. Everybody accepted
Constitution when this was done, so this means this is not broken so this
has not to be fixed.
The procedure to change a Constitutional paragraph, however, exists, for
just in the case the unexpected situation was so big Constitution showed it
was hindering citizens instead of protecting them.
This applies to the United States
> Constitution. No matter how much I hate the American Society, I must agree
> that after living here for years I can say they have the most efficient
> government in the world. Does that mean that it is perfect? No, of course
> not. But the process that the government follows is flawless.
How can you explain the Florida fiasco during last elections, then?...It was
so dirty and dark International Community even offered International
Independent observers because the process was seen as chaotic and
undemocratic.
Read to know
http://www.americanfreedomnews.com/commentary/elections_un.htm
Can't you see?, I always talk when I know what I am talking about.
If there is something we Europeans have and you Merkins absolutelly lack
it's Information, Information and the hability to process and interpret this
information instead of forgettin this ten seconds later as you do.
>
> they are not part of the United States, the constitution does not apply to
> them. However, I am not sure what you are talking about when you mention
> them. Maybe I just dont remember or havent watched enough CNN lately, but
> what did the USA do to them?
Are you idiot?. Sincerely, Kenny, do you IGNORE what your government did at
people hold prisoner at Guantanamo?, do you really meant you really DON'T
KNOW?. If you don't know that, then I understand you know NOTHING about the
reasons the whole world has to hate Amerika and his FAKE liberty. Big Bro
has you, Kenny, keeps you fully misinformed and waving flags...while you
wave flags and sing how big and perfect Amerika is you don't think,
remember. That's they want.
Oh, my God!, Americans are more ignorant about the felonies their government
does all around the world than I thought
Shame on you, Kenny, Tons of shame on you, little irresponsible piece of
adopted Merkin.
http://www.memri.de/uebersetzungen_analysen/laender/aegypten/egypt_real_ausc
hwitz_07_03_02.pdf
http://www.guardian.co.uk/comment/story/0,3604,921192,00.html
These men are STILL wothout a judgement, depribed by liberty by USA
government since Afghanistan war. An Autschwitz camp on XXI century and
applied by these who, on theory, are the defendants of "democracy and
freedom for everybody".
"they are not part of the United States, the constitution does not apply to
them"...so if they are out of Amerikan territory then they can be freely
killed or jailed by Amerikan Forces without legal assistance or basic
rights... Doesn't apply to them, but does apply to your government and your
soldiers, no matter where they are or who they are dealing with.
Does your sentence mean Americans and their Government should be free to
jail foreigners, kill foreigners, invade countries and even enslavish
foreigners due the Amerikan Constitution is not applied to them on their
countries?.
Be careful, Kenny, be careful what you say, think twice before writing
nonsense like this.
>
> The United States has a total of 51 constitutions, 1 Federal and 50 state
> constitutions. You do realize that Spain and the United States are not
THAT
> different in government with the exception that it is a Monarchy, the
people
> are represented in the government there just as they are here.
> May I ask, what specifically you feel is wrong with the constitution of
the
> United States? Please, if you don't mind, quote specifics.
I am afraid we are going too off-topic here, Kenny, so I won't continue this
conversation.
Main flaw is the unlimited power the President receives, the politization of
justice and the unrepresentativeness and poor rol Parlament has. Other flaws
are the failure on assuring civil protections and the search for a common
welfare.
We don't have time to analyze this, but I promise you when I studied first
thing they explain us when talking us about Spanish Constitution it's the
difference among Amerikan Constitution, aimed to create a police State where
State is only responsible of safety ("Laisez faire") and and another
European Constitution, aimed to create a system to assist and protect the
citizen on every public and private need.
> BTW, the right to bear arms in the United States is part of being a free
> country. When the founding fathers created the constitution they
> specifically created the 2nd amendment because of a man named George
Mason.
> George Mason, for those that don't know, wrote a letter to the fathers
> saying that there should be a check against the militia. The fathers
stated
> they wanted the National Government to have the ability to call for and
> create, arm and disipline an army within two years and be able to send
them
> off to fight in case of war. However, the opposing group (called the
> anti-federalists, who wanted the federal government to be weaker and the
> powers to rest with the people) said in short "Hey! Wait a minute! How is
it
> fair that you can arm these people and not let us carry arms?! What do we
do
> in times of peace when these soliders want something and just steal it?!
Are
> we to sit by and just let them have it?" So Mr. Mason said that an
> additional check would be to allow EVERYONE to have arms. He said in his
own
> words "The best way to enslave a people is to disarm them"
----------------------------------------------
Is this the reason, then, USA is disarming Irak and is pouring his efforts
to disarm everybody except its own army, that is growing more and more
powerful?.
"The best way to enslave a people is to disarm them". well, well, OK
right...now I am understanding many things...
-------------------------------------------------
>and he is right,
> he continued and said "divine providence had given every individual the
> right of self-defense,
"Divine providence"...God and a pair of angels directly going down the
Heaven and putting a magnum on a man's hand?...LOL!!!. Was God sitting on a
table beside the founding fathers when they wrote that piece of paper (that
was not applied to Indians, by the way, the only TRUE Americans until they
were robbed, exterminated and locked on their own land by the Union?).
LOL!...not surprising since your own Bushemperor tells "God is with you" on
this fight against other nations...LOL!!!!
>clearly including the right to defend one's political
> liberty within that term." Which basically means that "we want protection
> from our own government!" While it has never come to this (with the
> exception of the civil war, which was actually a time of 2 seperate
> constitutions) the right to defend yourself from anyone and anything,
> including your own government is a God given right, otherwise you become
> enslaved, or may become enslaved.
>
Then, why don't let your government Irak, Korea, Iran, Russia and many
others to have has many nuclear weapons and armies as they want?. Don't they
have the full right to have arms so they won't be enslavished by others?...
Can't you see from the beginning to the end Amerika is full of
contradictions, double standards and falsehoods?.
Nonsense.
Kenny, I appreciate you. I really appreciate everybody, I believe in peace
and freedom and it's all. Perhaps sometimes I call somebody ignorant or
idiot or something, perhaps sometimes I get tempered because I hate cynism
and infinite ignorance Amerikans seem to show up on every moment, but you
should never take this as a personal attack. I attack ideas, not people, and
you should agree USA has Many odd ideas and actions YOU living inside
unknow (your ignorance about the International and world-wide known incident
at Guantanamo is an example) but me, living outside, can see with a
different and more realistic angle. Believe me, if people hates Amerika all
around the World this is not because of gealousy as your hawks try to shove
down your throat, this is because every day, EVERY DAY, your government and
your people does repugnant things to others, you tell one thing and then do
another different while trying to convince us you are really doing the first
one.
People hate you because you are not good, because you act evil while
figuring to be a "Divine guide light for the planet", not because we envy
you, man.
I am not attacking you. I would continue talking about this subject during
ages, but I am afraid we are going off-topic, we are wasting an space and I
am sure both of us have better things to do.
Cheers,
Josema
>
Josema
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> Josema, you are acting like the USA is the wild wild west! People don't
walk
> around outside with guns shooting people at saloons. Deaths with firearms
> occur as single crimes and in some cases serial crimes. The normal
civilian
> doesn't use his gun to kill people, a normal civilian uses his gun to
hunt,
> for sport and for fun. Contrary to what you might believe, more people
shoot
> at deer and paper targets in the USA than they do at people.
>
> The United States Constitution practically strangles the US Government. Do
> you realize how long it takes for a bill to become a law? (hears the
> jailhouse rock theme and shakes his head clear) Months! Sometimes years!
The
> US Government can't go out and just pass laws, they can't raise taxes
> without a 2/3 vote (which is harder than you might think when half of them
> hate the other half). Do you realize that it was done that way on purpose?
> The US Government, regardless of what you might think is probably the
> weakest central government in the world right now! More power rest with
the
> people and the people want to be able to be armed. Simple as that.
>
...So curious you are losing so many Civil Rights and the development of
many others are stalled thanks to Bushie and his Empires game and you are
only worried about your right to shoot your neighbor's head...while firearm
manufacturers are becoming so powerful not even law can act against them
since they are fully protected by your government.
People doesn't want to be armed. People gets arms because the neighbors have
them and because Amerikans aren't friendly even each other.
"Overall, the data provided by the 26 countries included a total of 2872
deaths among children aged less than 15 years for a period of 1 year.
Homicides accounted for 1995 deaths, including 1177 (59%) in boys and 818
(41%) in girls. Of the homicides, 1464 (73%) occurred among U.S. children.
The homicide rate for children in the United States was five times higher
than that for children in the other 25 countries combined (2.57 per 100,000
compared with 0.51) (Table_1).
Suicide accounted for the deaths of 599 children, including 431 (72%) in
boys and 168 (28%) in girls. Of the suicides, 321 (54%) occurred among U.S.
children. The suicide rate for children in the United States was two times
higher than that in the other 25 countries combined (0.55 compared with
0.27) (Table_1). No suicides were reported among children aged less than 5
years.
A firearm was reported to have been involved in the deaths of 1107 children;
957 (86%) of those occurred in the United States. Of all firearm-related
deaths, 55% were reported as homicides; 20%, as suicides; 22%, as
unintentional; and 3%, as intention undetermined. The overall
firearm-related death rate among U.S. children aged less than 15 years was
nearly 12 times higher than among children in the other 25 countries
combined (1.66 compared with 0.14) (Table_1). The firearm-related homicide
rate in the United States was nearly 16 times higher than that in all of the
other countries combined (0.94 compared with 0.06); the firearm-related
suicide rate was nearly 11 times higher (0.32 compared with 0.03); and the
unintentional firearm-related death rate was nine times higher (0.36
compared with 0.04). For all countries, males accounted for most of the
firearm-related homicides (67%), firearm-related suicides (77%), and
unintentional firearm-related deaths (89%). The nonfirearm-related homicide
rate in the United States was nearly four times the rate in all of the other
countries (1.63 compared with 0.45), and nonfirearm-related suicide rates
were similar in the United States and in all of the other countries combined
(0.23 compared with 0.24).
The rate for firearm-related deaths among children in the United States
(1.66) was 2.7-fold greater than that in the country with the next highest
rate (Finland, 0.62) (Figure_1). Except for rates for firearm-related
suicide in Northern Ireland and firearm-related fatalities of unknown intent
in Austria, Belgium, and Israel, rates for all types of firearm-related
deaths were higher in the United States than in the other countries.
However, among all other countries, the impact of firearm-related deaths
varied substantially. For example, five countries, including three of the
four countries in Asia, reported no firearm-related deaths among children.
In comparison, firearms were the primary cause of homicide in Finland,
Israel, Australia, Italy, Germany, and England and Wales. Five countries
(Denmark, Ireland, New Zealand, Scotland, and Taiwan) reported only
unintentional firearm-related deaths.
Reported by: Div of Violence Prevention, National Center for Injury
Prevention and Control, CDC. "
This extracted from http://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/preview/mmwrhtml/00046149.htm
"Compared to other industrialized countries, violence and firearm death
rates in the United States are disproportionately high. Of the approximately
50 upper- and middle-income countries with available data, an estimated
115,000 firearm deaths occur annually and the U.S. contributes about
30,000.8 Among industrialized nations, the U.S. firearm-related death rate
is more than twice that of the next highest country (See Figure 3). The
firearm death rate in the U.S. (14.24 per 100,000) is eight times the
average rate of its economic counterparts (1.76).9 "
This extracted from
http://www.uphs.upenn.edu/ficap/resourceBook/sectionOneIntl.htm
And now look at this, extracted from the Guardia Civil (militarized police
body) Government website in Spain.
(http://www.guardiacivil.org/11quees/organizacion/organosdeapoyo/gabinete/ca
p/nota14.asp)
"El análisis de los factores por los que España tiene un nivel de violencia
interpersonal sensiblemente inferior al de la mayoría de los países
occidentales representa una cuestión del mayor interés,que hasta ahora no ha
sido suficientemente investigada. Un factor que sin duda incide en la baja
tasa de homicidios es el estricto control de las armas de fuego. De acuerdo
con una encuesta de hace unos años, sólo un 2,5 de los españoles tenían
acceso a un arma de fuego, frente a una media europea de 5 % y una cifra de
29 % en Estados Unidos, por lo que no es sorprendente que tales armas sólo
se emplearan en el 18 % de los homicidios perpetrados en España en 1996,
mientras que en Estados Unidos se emplean en el 70 % de los casos. "
More or less tells: "Spain has the lowest private violence rate at Europe. A
factor that explains this low homicide rate is THE STRICT FIREARMS CONTROL.
According to rates some years ago, only 2.5 per cent of Spanish citizens had
access to a firearm, in front of a 5% of Europenas and a """""29%"""" at
USA, so it's not susrprising such firearms where used only on 18% of
homicides done at Spain, while firearms where used at USA on a """"""70%""""
of them."
I didn't tell this, it was the militar police in charge of controlling
firearms who told.
Still proud of your right to kill each other?.
Cheers,
Josema
Cheers,
Josema
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/5/2003
>The 1978's Constitution is the first real and finished Constitution Spain
>has, and so proud of this since this was done without a war, bravely
>breaking a 40 years iron dictatorship, without social fight and without
>dropping a single blood.
Translation: the craven, supine Spanish were the only Europeans who did not
overthrow their post-world war II dictatorships (and theirs even started pre
world-war II). None of those cowardly Spanish wretches cared enough about
freedom to risk "a single drop of blood" to bring an end to forty years of
"iron dictatorship." In the end, these dastardly wimps accepted a constitution
designed for them by the senile dictator, which reintroduced -- a monarch!!!!!
And Josema-Jarri, whose political views are as immature as the little Moroccan
boys he slimes with his foreskin, actually dares question American commitment
to freedom?
Josema
> You can't buy handguns at walmart anywhere. They don't sell them and wont
> recieve them for you either. The amunition can be bought there tho. I
> honestly think there should be stricter regulations on guns! But just
> because I think something, doesn't make it so.
>
> --
"Posted on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 09:30 PM by RichGans
Walmart Rules! I just bought the Browning HiPower 9mm I have wanted for
years, yesterday at my local gun shop. $579 plus tax! It was $10 more than
the Beretta 92FS, but hicaps are much cheaper($19), higher capacity(17 round
South African, and they work very well)at CDNN online. After surfing the net
and Shotgunnews for mags and ammo, I headed down to my local Walmart for
some range ammo, and to consider if buying by the case in 9mm was really
worth it. I was amazed! I expected to pay $7-8 for a box of UMC or whtever
new FMJ they had, just to hit the range and then purchase a case online.
Winchester had 100 round boxes of 115gr. FMJ with clean new reloadable brass
for $10.95/box. Thats cheaper than a good deal online or shotgunnews and I
had it right away, I paid taxes but not shipping, I was was sure of what I
was getting, and it broke down to $5.48/50 rounds. I bought 5 boxes for
target/testing, and breaking it in. 500 rounds, 1/2 case, $58 and change
with tax included. I was very impressed. Thanks Walmart. Thanks Winchester.
I will continue to be a loyal customer of your stores and products. Rich"
agree!
Added by Steven&Donna on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 9:46 PM
Walmart has done me right in reguards to the Winchester ammo. They
periodically restock this ammo too. I find it easier to stop in and pick
some up before heading for the hills then ordering a bulk crate.
Nice choice on the HP, I recently bought a Beretta Elite II in 9mm in
January. It's big for CCW, but I don't mind. I highly recommend it for
someone who dosn't mind the challenge of concealing a large frame handgun.
Magazines are pretty tough to pay for, not find. At least when it
comes to factory magazines. Gunbroker has tons of preban mags for sale. They
typically go for 35-50 dollars each. I recently picked up 3 Italian factory
mags for 120 dollars (free shipping). Hopefully Walmart keeps this sale up
for a long time. Usually I try to buy from local shops even if it costs a
little more, but this deal is tough to pass up. Buy all you can!
-Steve
Yes, they do
Added by Sigfan on Wednesday, March 20, 2002 at 9:52 PM
I bought 10 100 round boxes yesterday. You can't go wrong at
$10.96/box, that's for sure! I think I have about 1400 rounds in the
basement, should last me a few trips to the range :-)
Extracted from http://www.packing.org/news/article.jsp/6870/
Proud, Kenny?.
If I lived among such an insane and nutz guys I would migrate to
a civilized country
"Click to scroll to commentary.
"Gun sales stop at state Wal-Marts - Investigation found chain
sold firearms to convicted felons
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | April 5, 2003 | Robert Salladay
Posted on 04/05/2003 9:01 AM PST by Scoop
Sacramento -- Wal-Mart, """""""the nation's largest seller of
guns""""", agreed Friday to immediately halt the sale of firearms at its 118
California stores after an investigation by Attorney General Bill Lockyer
found numerous violations of state gun laws.
Lockyer said six Wal-Mart stores inspected by his office in the
Central Valley and Sacramento had violated state laws 490 times, including
two incidents where guns were sold to convicted felons. Along with numerous
paperwork errors, some guns were released before background checks were
finished or fingerprints were taken.
The state Department of Justice had threatened to shut down
Wal-Mart's California gun sales by Monday if they didn't voluntarily stop
selling firearms. Late Friday, after the company complied, Lockyer issued a
statement praising Wal-Mart for acting "promptly and responsibly."
But the fact that state investigators were able to find nearly
500 violations during one-day visits to a handful of Wal-Mart stores
suggested a systemic problem was occurring statewide, Lockyer spokeswoman
Hallye Jordan said. The inspections began March 18."
This means, Wallmart was SELLING guns as if they were Corn
Flakes until law convicted them with "something" irregular. They stop doing
this at March 2003. Look at the teens discussing above how they buy the ammo
and last gun models at Wallmart as if they were buying the last Britney
Spear's CD... really pathetic. In some wallmarts they are STILL selling the
remainings of ammo.
Now you can't buy at Wallmart, but can do at a hundred local
stores around you, and they don't almost ask questions. As a proof, Moore,
the Bowling for Columbine's director walked to a bank and got a winchester
for opening an account on a local bank, flawlessly walked by the city with
this rifle on his shoulder and bought the ammo on a barber shop while
shaving.
This is "your right", and you told I must not think USA is still
the Wild west?...naaaah!
Get more information about the movie you SHOULD watch and the
info you should know at:
http://www.bowlingforcolumbine.com/home.php
Remember I always know what I am talking about, Kenny.
Cheers,
Josema
Winding Highway
>Date: 8/5/2003
>One of the reasons Franco attacked Spain was the Republican
>Constitution, that was being built, gave liberties and self-Parliaments to
>the Spanish regions
Franco didnt "attack Spain." He fought on the fascist side of the Spanish
civil war. He won.
>Giving independence to an
>Spanish region should be against Constitution. Everybody accepted
>Constitution when this was done, so this means this is not broken so this
>has not to be fixed.
Wasnt Josema-Jarri complaining about the US constitution being set in stone
just a few posts ago? Indeed he was! But now, apparently, there can be no
self determination for the Basques because "giving independence to an Spanish
reason should be against the constitution." Tough on the Basques, though.
>How can you explain the Florida fiasco during last elections, then?
The florida fiasco, despite the unfortunate outcome of a blithering doofus as
president, was conducted according to the constitution and produced a
constitutionally unassailable result. The president may not have received a
majority of the votes cast -- but then in Europe, with its multi-party systems,
the leading party and the prime minister it produces rarely command a majority
of votes at a general election either. Josema-Jarri seems quite unaware of
this.
>USA is disarming Irak and is pouring his efforts
>to disarm everybody
I wish this were true. But actually the US is leaving Iraqis with sidearms and
in some cases automatic weapons. The US is seizing RPGs, explosives, etc.,
from the Iraqis. If there really were any WMDS, then of course the US would
grab them too. Meanwhile, the US is the major arms supplier to the rest of the
world. Far from disarming the globe, the US is recklessly arming it.
>Can't you see from the beginning to the end Amerika is full of
>contradictions, double standards and falsehoods?.
Josema-Jarri has a point there. But thats not the whole story, or even most
of the story. He overlooks the extraordinary idealism and optimism of American
society -- two virtues almost unknown in cynical, backward-looking Europe.
Meanwhile, why is Josema-Jarri so purblind to the faults of Spain?
>Shame on you, Kenny, Tons of shame on you, little irresponsible piece of
>adopted Merkin.....
>you
>should never take this as a personal attack. I attack ideas, not people
Oh.
>Can't you see?, I always talk when I know what I am talking about.
Oh.
Kenny Thomas
about Spain so it doesn't matter.
I already explained the Florida voting problem, it was a physical problem
with the ballots, not the system of government.
Joesema I don't know anything about Guantanamo but that doesn't mean I'm an
idiot, simply means I didn't pay it any attention or never heard of it. Is
it happening now or was it in the past? Also Josema, I don't wave flags or
praise the USA about anything, I am probably the most unpatriotic American
Hater you will ever meet. I totally disagree with the USA being in Iraq,
totally disagree with how the government is being run at this time by Bush,
I think that the September 11 event was bound to happen and honestly the USA
got what they deserved there. I don't even own an American flag and never
will. I don't sing patriotic songs about America or even recite the pledge
at the beginning of sports games here...I don't stand for the National
Anthem and don't respect a country that invests more time in flying a symbol
than taking care of their own people. I do, however, think that the skeleton
and the way the government can work is flawless.
Josema, you keep talking like I have power over everything the US Government
does. I don't know why the USA doesn't allow other countries to have WMD
(Weapons of Mass Destruction)...maybe it's because the fucked up dictators
like in Iraq are irresponsible with the weapons they already had? Maybe the
USA walked into Iraq and said "No WMD for you because if you have them you
might attack your neighbours again!" Do I think thats right? NO!!! Can I
stop it? NO!!! Get over it man!
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they would be illegal. They want them, so they are legal.
You are so seriously flawwed when you talk about the constitution it makes
me wonder if you even know how it works!
Guns are NOT pretty ok. They aren't toys...they are meant to kill things,
people included, but there are laws buddy, laws that say only certain people
can have guns, are there ways around those laws? Yes, but there are ways
around every law.
Your statistics are nothing new man. I know the USA has more firearm deaths
than any other country...in a place where guns are readily accessable they
tend to do that...Maybe if they made guns illegal here, the number of
murders with cars, or knives, would go up? In the final analysis people are
going to get murdered, how they got murdered is irrelevant. If someone is
killed with a gun or a knife it matters not...they are dead and chances are
it would have happened eventually anyways. If someone wants to kill you,
they will find out how. You know in Prisons there are murders, people get
killed with plastic forks...a weapon is just a weapon, a gun is no different
than a plastic fork. A gun can be used illegally to murder, or legally for
target practice, sport etc....a fork can be used illegally to murder and
stab, but it can be used legally to eat with...The USA is good to allow guns
because...now listen to this....because they realized ages ago that if you
deny your citizens the right to bear arms, later on your government might
decide to strip them of the right to carry knives, to hunt, etc...and
suddenly the country goes back to what the founding fathers were trying to
flee...oppression.
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clearks there I was informed they do not sell handguns because it is against
company policy...maybe they changed their policy...because they don't sell
them here...I asked.
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respond!ehe It writes itself!eh -D, NYC "The Egg Cream is psychologically the
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Josema
> Josema I haven't taken any Spanish Government classes, but I am not
talking
> about Spain so it doesn't matter.
>
> I already explained the Florida voting problem, it was a physical problem
> with the ballots, not the system of government.
>
Kenny, I repeat you. You shouldn't take offense about the things I write
here. My way of talking is sometimes hard, but this is just that:
hard...Amerikans don't react with soft ideas, to spoil their mind a big
shock is needed. Not hate or personal attack should be seen on that.
During this conversation I hope I wrote nothing you took as an attack. If
so, please, forgive me. If I hate trolls that's sure I don't want to look
like one myself...You have been minded and patient trying to correct me when
you thought I was wrong, and this is full appreciated.
Cheers,
Josema
Josema
> Excuse me then...of the Walmarts I have been to and after speaking to the
> clearks there I was informed they do not sell handguns because it is
against
> company policy...maybe they changed their policy...because they don't sell
> them here...I asked.
>
>
> --
N.P., it's O.K.
Cheers,
Josema
Ma...@proxy1.brunei.bn
Josema wrote:
>
> "Kenny Thomas" <ke...@tacep.org> escribió en el mensaje
> news:IAIWa.2378$GN6....@fe01.atl2.webusenet.com...
> > Well, because people can get guns in America the police point their 20
> guns
> > at the robber because they don't KNOW he's unarmed. That's why they do
> that.
> >
>
> And do you feel proud about this cycle?...
>
> Cheers,
> Josema
Cycle????