Rolling Stones satanic ritual sacrifice
Howard Duck
ritual." As the group began playing, "strangely several of the kids
were stripping off their clothes and crawling to the stage as if it
were a high altar, there to offer themselves as victims for the boots
and cues of the Angels. The more they were beaten and bloodied, the
more they were impelled, as if by some supernatural force, to offer
themselves as human sacrifices to these agents of Satan." (Tony
Sanchez, Up and Down With the Rolling Stones, p. 199)
Standing in the crowd in front of the stage, with his girlfriend, was
a black man by the name of Meredith Hunter. Hunter would soon be
singled out for human sacrifice.
The Stones had just released a new song entitled, "Sympathy for the
Devil." It had quickly become the number one record in the country.
The song begins with Mick Jagger introducing himself as Lucifer. As
soon as he began to sing it at Altamont, the entire audience rose up
and began dancing in a wild frenzy.
Sanchez describes what happened next, "A great six foot four grizzly
bear of a Hell's Angel had stalked across to Meredith (Hunter) to pull
his hair hard in an effort to provoke a fight ...A fight broke out,
five more Angels came crashing to the aid of their buddy, while
Meredith tried to run off through the packed crowd. An Angel caught
him by the arm and brought down a sheath knife hard in the black man's
back. The knife failed to penetrate deeply, but Meredith knew then
that he was fighting for his life. He ripped a gun out of his pocket
and pointed it straight at the Angel's chest... And then the Angels
were upon him like a pack of wolves. One tore the gun from his hand,
another stabbed him in the face and still another stabbed him
repeatedly, insanely, in the back until his knees buckled."
"When the Angels finished with Hunter, several people tried to come to
his aid, but an Angel stood guard over the motionless body. `Don't
touch him,' he said menacingly. `He's going to die anyway, so just let
him die.'"(Tony Sanchez, Up and Down With the Rolling Stones, pp.
201,202)
It was never proven that Meredith actually had a gun. Later, arrests
were made. No one was ever indicted because no one person would step
forward as a witness out of fear of retaliation by the Angels.
Throughout the bloody killing the Rolling Stones continued to play
"Sympathy for the Devil." The entire group watched from the stage as
Meredith Hunter was killed right before them. In addition, incredibly,
the entire murder was professionally filmed by a film crew hired to
film the concert. Shortly thereafter the film was released throughout
the country with the title of a Rolling Stone's song, "Gimme Shelter."
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murder has been done on stage at a rock concert and a conviction made.
They say this as a kind of in-your-face challenge like someone might
say: Show me even one case where Sam Giancana has been convicted for
murder.
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>The Stones had just released a new song entitled, "Sympathy for the
>Devil." It had quickly become the number one record in the country.
>The song begins with Mick Jagger introducing himself as Lucifer.
Wrong. The song begins with these lines:
"Please allow me to introduce myself,
I'm a man of wealth and taste."
The word Lucifer doesn't appear until the second to last verse.
"Just as every cop is a criminal
And all the sinners saints
As heads is tails
Just call me Lucifer
'Cause I'm in need of some restraint"
Notice the structure to this verse. In each line, the narrator says
that something is the opposite of what it is presumed to be - cops are
criminals, sinners are saints, heads is tails. Then he says "Just
call me Lucifer"
"Not my name is Lucifer" but "call me Lucifer" after listing a bunch
of opposites. Could it be that this isn't Lucifer, but God?
>As
>soon as he began to sing it at Altamont, the entire audience rose up
>and began dancing in a wild frenzy.
Altamont went downhill from the first note. You could have put Up
With People on that stage and the Hell's Angels would have found an
excuse to brawl.
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> >The Stones had just released a new song entitled, "Sympathy for the
> >Devil." It had quickly become the number one record in the country.
Wrong also. It was never even a single. In what imaginary chart was it number one?
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Everything I've ever read indicated the Angels were peaceful acid eaters
who got a bad rap.
Bill
No, they didn't get a bad rap at all. There is plenty of film footage
and eyewitness accounts of what they did that day. And the story above
has quite a few mistakes in it.
First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when the
murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
murder, but was found not guilty.
Bill
BringerOfLight
Perhaps Howard The Duck (the original poster) should check his facts
before accepting some shite from one of his fundamentalist websites
attacking anything it believes to be of a "nefarious" nature i.e. in
this case Rock music.
Tony
(BringerOfLight) wrote:
I read that book too. I'm sure a lot of his stories were greatly
exaggerated, just to sell books. If you ever took the time to actually
watch the movie, you'll see people running AWAY from all the fracases,
not "offering themselves as victims"
It's all just made up bullshit. I'm sure there were a few acid heads
got in the way here and there, as I read that most of the gallon
bottles of red wine were spiked with acid, but I sincerely doubt
anyone offered themselves as sacrifice.
That fat ugly naked chick, however, got what she deserved. After all,
she was out of her mind, naked, and climbing over people just to get
to the stage. I would have gave her a few whacks with a pool cue
myself.
Tony
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Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
I think not.
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Howard Duck
(BringerOfLight) wrote:
> Perhaps Howard The Duck (the original poster) should check his facts
> before accepting some shite from one of his fundamentalist websites
> attacking anything it believes to be of a "nefarious" nature i.e. in
> this case Rock music.
I had seen a documentary of this on TV many years ago. Couldn't
remember all that was shown, but the documentary tried to excuse the
Rolling Stones by saying they lost control of the situation - they put
all the blame on the bikers. Regardless of the details of the
situation, a person was murdered, and Rock music is NEFARIOUS at its
root. To say otherwise is to display stupidity. Perhaps this
Luciferian responder should check his comprehension. When a
presentation hypnotizes youth and leads them to praise hell and death,
and lift up the satanic handsign, just what in hell do you think
they're playing at anyway? They are paving the way to eternal
damnation, and you'd better write that down where you won't forget it,
because you're going to come face to face with it.
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> When a
> presentation hypnotizes youth and leads them to praise hell and death,
> and lift up the satanic handsign,
Like our world leaders?
(See the Reptilian Watch Archives. Bush does it, Clinton does it, the PM of
Italy does it.)
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Then there's this nefarious Beastie Boys lyric:
"If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page
The girlies I like are underage"
Douglas Berry
-0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>(BringerOfLight) wrote:
>
>> Perhaps Howard The Duck (the original poster) should check his facts
>> before accepting some shite from one of his fundamentalist websites
>> attacking anything it believes to be of a "nefarious" nature i.e. in
>> this case Rock music.
>
>I had seen a documentary of this on TV many years ago. Couldn't
>remember all that was shown, but the documentary tried to excuse the
>Rolling Stones by saying they lost control of the situation - they put
>all the blame on the bikers.
Yeah, the Hells Angels. Not the best choice for security. They did
wade into the crowd swinging pool cues.
>Regardless of the details of the
>situation, a person was murdered, and Rock music is NEFARIOUS at its
>root. To say otherwise is to display stupidity.
No, it is music. Something that scares you, Howard, since it is about
freedom and you hate freedom.
> Perhaps this
>Luciferian responder should check his comprehension. When a
>presentation hypnotizes youth and leads them to praise hell and death,
>and lift up the satanic handsign, just what in hell do you think
>they're playing at anyway? They are paving the way to eternal
>damnation, and you'd better write that down where you won't forget it,
>because you're going to come face to face with it.
So, what do you call brainwashing kids in a church?
Douglas Berry
pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when the
>> murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
>> proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
>> dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
>> Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
>> murder, but was found not guilty.
>
>Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
>Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
>
>I think not.
Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
MC Bob
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> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>>
>>> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when
the
>>> murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
>>> proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
>>> dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
>>> Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
>>> murder, but was found not guilty.
>>
>>Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
>>Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
>>
>>I think not.
>
> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>
Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
BringerOfLight
> On 10 Sep 2004 20:54:57 -0700, bringero...@aol.com
> (BringerOfLight) wrote:
>
> > Perhaps Howard The Duck (the original poster) should check his facts
> > before accepting some shite from one of his fundamentalist websites
> > attacking anything it believes to be of a "nefarious" nature i.e. in
> > this case Rock music.
>
> I had seen a documentary of this on TV many years ago. Couldn't
> remember all that was shown, but the documentary tried to excuse the
> Rolling Stones by saying they lost control of the situation - they put
> all the blame on the bikers.
I never disagreed with this point, the blame could be laid on the
Stones door, however the Angels were recommended to the Stones by the
Grateful Dead who had used them on occasions for their own concerts
without anything happening like the occurence that happened at
Altamont. Jagger in fact desperately tries to calm the situation down
from the stage by repeatedly asking for them to be "be cool". The
whole Altamont debacle was a horror show from start to finish, I
believe Marty Balin from the Jefferson Airplane got hit by one of the
Angels earlier on. As for the Tony Sanchez book, its widely
acknowledged that it was a desperate revenge attempt on his part
against his previous employers. And considering Sanchez was a drug
dealer, are you telling me Howie you'd trust the word of a smack
dealer with an axe to grind?
Regardless of the details of the
> situation, a person was murdered, and Rock music is NEFARIOUS at its
> root.
Bullshit, I could make the same claim about your religion and its
dogma of control freakery, which is expressed perfectly by
sheepherders like you. Religious leaders in the early years of this
century also had the same thing to say about jazz music because of its
rhythms, rent parties and the very word "Jazz" itself. Pagannini, the
virtuoso classical violinist and composer also had to put up being
labelled "demonic" and in league with the so-called horned one because
of his musical prowess.
>To say otherwise is to display stupidity.
Why? Cause I don't swallow the bullshit you fundies believe in
regarding what is simply another form of music? You were the one who
posted the article with erroneous errors which you didn't bother your
arse to check! Whos the stupid one Howie?
Perhaps this
> Luciferian responder should check his comprehension.
Typical. You automatically assume Im a Luciferian because of a silly
user-name? Hell, that names worked perfectly so far! Its just a pity
you fundamentalists can get to grips with the fact Im extracting the
urine from yourselves, lol.
When a
> presentation hypnotizes youth and leads them to praise hell and death,
> and lift up the satanic handsign, just what in hell do you think
> they're playing at anyway? They are paving the way to eternal
> damnation, and you'd better write that down where you won't forget it,
> because you're going to come face to face with it.
(Sneers) gets right on your tits doesn't it Howard? I suspect that
its not the so-called "nefarious" music/activities of these people who
piss you off, but simply the fact that they don't swallow the same
bullshit you do, neither needing or recognising the bootheel of
religious fear that you idiots are under. Wasn't it sheepherders like
you who threw the same propaganda at jazz musicians years ago
labelling them and their music as "Degenerate", "Sinful",
"Disgusting", and liable to cause youth to be sexually led astray
because of its very rhythms it employed? Ive said it before in many
of my posts, and I'll say it again. Anything you fear with no logic or
reason will be attacked and "demonised" because its not under the
regulation of your pathetic doctrine. And pray tell Howie, why do you
find so offensive that these fans use stupid hand gestures that mean
bugger all to the rest of us? Simple. People like you couldn't give
a shit about these rock fans. Its all about control. And what you
cannot control, you fear and demonise. Just because you believe in
eternal damnation (what a great system of control eh? I bet even Adolf
Hitler would have given his right bollock to have come up with that
one!) doesn't mean others have to. And posting garbage from websites
that can't even get the basic facts about one concert right isn't
gonna help you either.
Admit it Howie, you got caught out, and you don't like it. I wonder
how your messiah thinks about his followers spreading obnoxious
nonsense in a flagrant disregard for the truth in order to get a few
more into the "fold", huh? Truth is Howie, these rockers who utilise
the ole Satanic image are laughing right behind the backs of people
like you. The more people like yourself are up in arms about the so
called "Satanic Rockers", the more help you give them as far as the
record sales goes. By publicly labelling something as nasty, evil,
bad or whatever terminology you wish to employ, the more people are
gonna want to buy it. Haven't you figured that out yet?
Notoriety+Publicity=$$$. Its the oldest trick used by the record
industry. Why do you think people like Manson, Deicide etc don't sue
people who put out the videos that you recommend Howie? Because the
more you rage against something, and the more publicity you give out
about these people, the more attractive it becomes. People like
Manson are laughing all the way to the bank because of idiots like
you. Hell, if I had any real musical talent in my body, Id do the
same thing.
As for hell Howie, being one of a very atheistic nature, I don't
swallow it. But I'll tell you what? If Im going there, I'll
delightedly keep you a front row seat beside me eh. Im pretty sure
ol Mick and "Keef" will put on a great show that night! ;-)
Howard Duck
<mas...@mason.snuh> wrote:
> > When a
> > presentation hypnotizes youth and leads them to praise hell and death,
> > and lift up the satanic handsign,
>
> Like our world leaders?
>
> (See the Reptilian Watch Archives. Bush does it, Clinton does it, the PM of
> Italy does it.)
Yep. They're most likely satanists too. Lucifer told Jesus he would
give him all the kingdoms of the world if He would bow down and
worship him. Jesus told him where to go. But ol' Luc's been offering
a similar deal to the scum of the world ever since, and guess what...
right, you guessed it!
Howard Duck
(BringerOfLight) wrote:
> As for hell Howie, being one of a very atheistic nature, I don't
> swallow it. But I'll tell you what? If Im going there, I'll
> delightedly keep you a front row seat beside me eh. Im pretty sure
> ol Mick and "Keef" will put on a great show that night! ;-)
Nope. There will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. No
one there will be having a good time. They'll be blaming each other
for their own misery.
Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
the horse's mouth to the horse's a. But not for his or her own sake
("a fool hath no delight in understanding"), rather for the sake of
anyone else who may have the good sense to hear.
The 10-hour video documentary I originally posted the audio to on
alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.christian is not just secondhand information -
it contains clips both on stage and off of the major rock "artists"
from Elvis to Madonna and Marilyn Manson. These people are the scum
of the earth, and many of them stated that their inspiration came from
the devil - they weren't saying it to impress a young audience or to
make more money either.
The book I'll start with will be based on Led Zep and Jimmy Page and
Stairway to Heaven in particular. Page bought Aleister Crowley's
mansion at Loch Ness in Scotland, and he is deeply into the occult.
otter
WOW! This is what we were being told in the FIFTIES when Elvis began
swiveling. Some rock and roll songs were banned from the airwaves,
preachers preached that we were all going to hell in a handbasket, records
were stomped upon....and they said it wouldn't last! HA! Long live rock
and roll!
Otter, the original teenager
Howard Duck
> WOW! This is what we were being told in the FIFTIES when Elvis began
> swiveling. Some rock and roll songs were banned from the airwaves,
> preachers preached that we were all going to hell in a handbasket, records
> were stomped upon....and they said it wouldn't last! HA! Long live rock
> and roll!
>
> Otter, the original teenager
I don't know who said it wouldn't last. Did they also say the devil
wouldn't last? I guess the devil's music will last as long as the
devil is allowed to hang around.
otter
I haven't seen him around my neighborhood.
Douglas Berry
over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>>
>
>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
Douglas Berry
pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:46:55
-0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
>suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
>publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
>the horse's mouth to the horse's a.
No, you won't.
Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
at rock shows.
You bear false witness, Howard.
Howard Duck
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
> No, you won't.
Yes, I will.
> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
> at rock shows.
>
> You bear false witness, Howard.
And what about your false witness? You said Marilyn Manson only
simulated sex acts on stage, but I gave you a site with two
affidavits: testimonies by two people who had actually seen overt sex
acts done on stage in performance.
And all of this is aside from the fact that these so-called artists
and their whole thing is transforming the youth of this nation into a
Sodom and Gomorrah. If you are old enough to remember what America
was like before the 1960s, and you deny what I'm saying, then you are
part of the problem. Kids killing each other, having children while
they are still children themselves, getting sexually transmitted
diseases, aborting babies by the thousands...
2 Timothy 3:
1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
of God ...
BringerOfLight
> On 11 Sep 2004 11:58:52 -0700, bringero...@aol.com
> (BringerOfLight) wrote:
>
> > As for hell Howie, being one of a very atheistic nature, I don't
> > swallow it. But I'll tell you what? If Im going there, I'll
> > delightedly keep you a front row seat beside me eh. Im pretty sure
> > ol Mick and "Keef" will put on a great show that night! ;-)
>
> Nope. There will be weeping and wailing and gnashing of teeth. No
> one there will be having a good time. They'll be blaming each other
> for their own misery.
Lol, so you've been to hell have you Howie? What did your "God" give
you, a "Get Out Of Hell Free" card?
>
> Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
> suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
> publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
> the horse's mouth to the horse's a. But not for his or her own sake
> ("a fool hath no delight in understanding"), rather for the sake of
> anyone else who may have the good sense to hear.
Go ahead Howie, knock yourself out. Just do us all one big favour -
check your fucking sources the next time around, we don't want you
making an even bigger tit of yourself than what you've already done,
do we now? ;-)
>
> The 10-hour video documentary I originally posted the audio to on
> alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.christian is not just secondhand information -
> it contains clips both on stage and off of the major rock "artists"
> from Elvis to Madonna and Marilyn Manson. These people are the scum
> of the earth, and many of them stated that their inspiration came from
> the devil - they weren't saying it to impress a young audience or to
> make more money either.
Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense! Elvis
made several gospel records, hardly the act of a satanist. Madonna?
Gimme a fucking break. Im assuming you're painting a blackened
picture of the woman because of her interest in Kabbalah and her
sexual freedom yes? Why doesn't that surprise me. Oh and as for your
mp3s, hell even I could do a bloody good audio cut-'n-paste job of
them! I wouldn't put anything past you people in your insane attempts
at control freakery.
>
> The book I'll start with will be based on Led Zep and Jimmy Page and
> Stairway to Heaven in particular. Page bought Aleister Crowley's
> mansion at Loch Ness in Scotland, and he is deeply into the occult.
Yawn! We all know of Jimmy Page's interest in the occult and Crowley,
its hardly breaking news is it? Oh, and Page WAS into the occult, he
no longer is. Ive no doubt that you'll be printing nonsense about the
typical Christian tactic of calling Crowley a human-sacrificer next,
despite the fact that you idiots have been coming out with this shite
for several years. Its just a pity that none of you have actually
pointed to one single case where Crowley was involved in human
sacrifice. Oh well, go ahead Howie, knock yourself out, but I see
you've neglected the main points of my last post to you and
deliberately ignored them.
And wheres all the evidence for these satanic rock rituals you've been
speaking of hummmm? Douglas Berry, myself and others have been
patiently waiting for you to post the evidence you claim to have and
yet, wow, none has been provided.
Its as simple as this oh my little fundie one - either put up or shut
up! If you can't provide the evidence that we can check out, then
don't bother posting any more of your pathetic propaganda, it makes
you look a bigger arsehole than what you already are.
As for throwing down the gauntlet, the only gauntlet Ive thrown down
is the same as Douglas Berry's - i.e. show us your evidence.
Howard Duck
(BringerOfLight) wrote:
> Go ahead Howie, knock yourself out.
Thanks, Luc, don't mind if I do. Don't give yourself a hernia now,
heah?
MC Bob
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
>>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>>>
>>
>>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>
> Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
> Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
> Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
> Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>
> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
Suuuuure they were.
Douglas Berry
-0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
><pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>
>> No, you won't.
>
>Yes, I will.
>
>> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
>> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
>> at rock shows.
>>
>> You bear false witness, Howard.
>
>And what about your false witness? You said Marilyn Manson only
>simulated sex acts on stage, but I gave you a site with two
>affidavits: testimonies by two people who had actually seen overt sex
>acts done on stage in performance.
I've seen Manson in concert three times. It's simulated.
Had there been actual sex onstage, he would have been arrested. See
Jim Morrison and the Miami-Dade Police. He flashed the audience and
had to flee the country!
You made the claim that human beings had been murdered onstage in
ritual sacrifices. You claimed that this was almost common! And yet
you fail to offer even a single court case!
Why don't you back this up? Maybe because there aren't any court
cases to find because this never happens?
>And all of this is aside from the fact that these so-called artists
>and their whole thing is transforming the youth of this nation into a
>Sodom and Gomorrah. If you are old enough to remember what America
>was like before the 1960s, and you deny what I'm saying, then you are
>part of the problem. Kids killing each other, having children while
>they are still children themselves, getting sexually transmitted
>diseases, aborting babies by the thousands...
Let's see.. Before the sixties.
Black Americans couldn't vote in many states, were forced to use
seperate facilities, and if they dared to speak up, were lynched.
Alcoholism was an epidemic.
Tranquilizers were regualry prescribed to housewives who were
culturally forbidden to do anything but act as servants.
Today, we are approaching equality in both race and gender, and the
nation is stronger for it.
>2 Timothy 3:
>1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
>2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
>proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
>3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
>incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
>4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
>of God ...
*yawn* A book full of myths. I'm not impressed.
Howard Duck
rate we're going we'll soon be raising nothing but cannon fodder, wage
slaves, and devils. We're probably already there.
otter
> And all of this is aside from the fact that these so-called artists
> and their whole thing is transforming the youth of this nation into a
> Sodom and Gomorrah. If you are old enough to remember what America
> was like before the 1960s, and you deny what I'm saying, then you are
> part of the problem. Kids killing each other, having children while
> they are still children themselves, getting sexually transmitted
> diseases, aborting babies by the thousands...
I WAS a teenager during the fifties. Guess what? There were girls getting
pregnant out of wedlock! Shocked? It happened in the 30's and 40's too and
from time immemorial! The girls would go away to visit an "aunt" in another
city and give the babies up for adoption. And there were abortions....the
back-alley type where many of the girls were butchered and died. Gonnorhea
(sp?) was rampant (called "The Clap").
We also had child abuse, spousal abuse, children being molested, alcoholism,
marijuana, etc.
IMHO, I think that everything that's going on today was going on then...it's
just that we didn't have television blaring out the raw details
instantaneously which makes up feel, these days, as if the problems have
multiplied.
Take my word for it---rock and roll (or the musicians who perform it) is NOT
responsible for the problems we have today. The problems existed back when
all we had was Patti Page singing "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window"
and loooong before.
Otter
Howard Duck
> I WAS a teenager during the fifties. Guess what? There were girls getting
> pregnant out of wedlock! Shocked? It happened in the 30's and 40's too and
> from time immemorial! The girls would go away to visit an "aunt" in another
> city and give the babies up for adoption. And there were abortions....the
> back-alley type where many of the girls were butchered and died. Gonnorhea
> (sp?) was rampant (called "The Clap").
>
> We also had child abuse, spousal abuse, children being molested, alcoholism,
> marijuana, etc.
>
> IMHO, I think that everything that's going on today was going on then...it's
> just that we didn't have television blaring out the raw details
> instantaneously which makes up feel, these days, as if the problems have
> multiplied.
>
> Take my word for it---rock and roll (or the musicians who perform it) is NOT
> responsible for the problems we have today. The problems existed back when
> all we had was Patti Page singing "How Much Is That Doggie In The Window"
> and loooong before.
>
> Otter
Nothing like it is today - just take a look at some of the stats! And
it gets worse every year. Kids used to get in trouble for chewing gum
in class or throwing spitwads. Nowadays they take drugs, rape and
kill; teachers get in trouble for trying to get them to stop doing the
things they used to do. I think you must live in a different world,
but I've heard it before from people who should know better - quite
often it's from yuppies or people who live in a rather protected
environment. They or their kids go to private schools, or very select
school districts.
otter
Your entire diatribe has been blaming rock and roll for society's ills. I'm
just pointing out that these things have been happening loooong before rock
and roll arrived. Are there more instances now? Probably. There are a lot
more people and we have a much more mobile society. There are myriad
reasons for what's happening in our society today.
Otter
Douglas Berry
minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
>
>> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
>> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
>> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>>>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>>>>
>>>
>>>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>>
>> Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
>> Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
>> Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
>> Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>>
>> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>
>Suuuuure they were.
Yup. In Belguim that weekend.
Douglas Berry
-0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Just as I thought - you don't know squat about this country. At the
>rate we're going we'll soon be raising nothing but cannon fodder, wage
>slaves, and devils. We're probably already there.
I notice you can't actual refute anything I write, or produce evidence
of these alleged on-stage human sacrifices.. or pretty much back up
anything you claim!
You're a sad little hater, Duckman. I feel so sorry for your
neighbors.
Douglas Berry
over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 13:57:51 -0600
by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>I WAS a teenager during the fifties. Guess what? There were girls getting
>pregnant out of wedlock! Shocked? It happened in the 30's and 40's too and
>from time immemorial! The girls would go away to visit an "aunt" in another
>city and give the babies up for adoption. And there were abortions....the
>back-alley type where many of the girls were butchered and died. Gonnorhea
>(sp?) was rampant (called "The Clap").
Heh. My mom graduated from Wauwatosa High School in Wisconson in the
early fifties. She and her sisters threw legendary parties which
often drew police attention (and on one occasion left the youngest
sister passed out in a pile of Miller beer bottles, a bathroom door
missing, and a nervous phonecall asking if a pair of pants had been
found on the premises.)
The school sent home a stern note to all the parents, warning of the
drinking, car racing, and "lurid activities" that the kids were
undertaking.
This was in 1953, remember.
"Times are bad. Children no longer obey their parents, and everyone is
writing a book." ---Marcus Tullius Cicero, statesman, orator and
writer (106-43 BCE)
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>
> Bill <batca...@adelphia.net> wrote in message news:<41421BE2...@adelphia.net>...
> > All Seeing Eye Love Lucy wrote:
> > >
> > > ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:414174B6...@hotmail.com:
> > >
> > > > Anarch Peak wrote:
> > > >>
> > murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
> > proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
> > dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
> > Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
> > murder, but was found not guilty.
> >
>
> Perhaps Howard The Duck (the original poster) should check his facts
> before accepting some shite from one of his fundamentalist websites
> attacking anything it believes to be of a "nefarious" nature i.e. in
> this case Rock music.
Rock *is* of "nefarious" nature.
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The Marshall Tucker Band recorded a song that deals with that exact
subject matter, BringerOfLight - perhaps you're familiar with it.
> >To say otherwise is to display stupidity.
>
> Why? Cause I don't swallow the bullshit you fundies believe in
> regarding what is simply another form of music? You were the one who
> posted the article with erroneous errors which you didn't bother your
> arse to check! Whos the stupid one Howie?
Whoopsie.
> Perhaps this
> > Luciferian responder should check his comprehension.
>
> Typical. You automatically assume Im a Luciferian because of a silly
> user-name? Hell, that names worked perfectly so far! Its just a pity
> you fundamentalists can get to grips with the fact Im extracting the
> urine from yourselves, lol.
There's no need for that sort of language.
Mick Jagger and "Keef" Richards are well-known Homosexuals.
MC Bob
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 12 Sep 2004 16:53:55 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>>news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
>>
>>> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
>>> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
>>> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>>
>>>>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>>>
>>> Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
>>> Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
>>> Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
>>> Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>>>
>>> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>>
>>Suuuuure they were.
>
> Yup. In Belguim that weekend.
>
Are you telling me Grace Slick didn't do a flooglehorn solo with Hendrix
that day, in front of 10,856 people?
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>
>
> > Bill wrote:
> >>
> >> All Seeing Eye Love Lucy wrote:
> >> >
> >> > ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in
> >> > news:414174B6...@hotmail.com:
> >> >
> > Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
> >
> > I think not.
>
>
> "If I played guitar I'd be Jimmy Page
> The girlies I like are underage"
The Beastie Boys are into Far Eastern Devil Worship - they try and pass
it off as an exotic offshoot of Hinduism.
There's a pattern here that even a blind man could see.
>
> --
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>
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> http://www.metal-archives.com/release.php?id=15537
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>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
> >>
> >> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when the
> >> murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
> >> proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
> >> dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
> >> Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
> >> murder, but was found not guilty.
> >
> >Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
> >Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
> >
> >I think not.
>
They did - I just happened to be in attendance, Douglas.
>
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
> >>
> >
> >Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>
> Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
> Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
> Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
> Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>
> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
They were flown-in special for the show, as per their Satanic Majesties
Request.
Money is no concern to these Devils.
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
>
> > In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> > over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
> > minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >
> >>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
> >>>
> >>
> >>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
> >
> > Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
> > Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
> > Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
> > Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
> >
> > Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>
> Suuuuure they were.
I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
>
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>
> Virgin Message Board
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>
> In our last thrilling episode, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:46:55
> -0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
> >suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
> >publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
> >the horse's mouth to the horse's a.
>
> No, you won't.
>
> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
> at rock shows.
I have - at an Alice Cooper show, among others.
I've also seen Satanic rockers, The Tubes, perform several ritual
sacrifices on-stage and have been told by extremely reliable sources
that GWAR does as well.
> You bear false witness, Howard.
It's time to put Satan right back in the hole, Douglas.
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:57:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
> <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
>
> > No, you won't.
>
> Yes, I will.
>
> > Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
> > number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
> > at rock shows.
> >
> > You bear false witness, Howard.
>
> And what about your false witness? You said Marilyn Manson only
> simulated sex acts on stage, but I gave you a site with two
> affidavits: testimonies by two people who had actually seen overt sex
> acts done on stage in performance.
>
> And all of this is aside from the fact that these so-called artists
> and their whole thing is transforming the youth of this nation into a
> Sodom and Gomorrah.
"is transforming"?
Try "has transformed", Howard - we're too late, I'm afraid.
> If you are old enough to remember what America
> was like before the 1960s, and you deny what I'm saying, then you are
> part of the problem. Kids killing each other, having children while
> they are still children themselves, getting sexually transmitted
> diseases, aborting babies by the thousands...
>
> 2 Timothy 3:
> 1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
> 2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
> proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
> 3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
> incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
> 4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
> of God ...
Amen.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 05:32:45
> -0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >On Sun, 12 Sep 2004 06:57:41 GMT, Douglas Berry
> ><pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
> >
> >> No, you won't.
> >
> >Yes, I will.
> >
> >> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
> >> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
> >> at rock shows.
> >>
> >> You bear false witness, Howard.
> >
> >And what about your false witness? You said Marilyn Manson only
> >simulated sex acts on stage, but I gave you a site with two
> >affidavits: testimonies by two people who had actually seen overt sex
> >acts done on stage in performance.
>
> I've seen Manson in concert three times. It's simulated.
>
> Had there been actual sex onstage, he would have been arrested. See
> Jim Morrison and the Miami-Dade Police. He flashed the audience and
> had to flee the country!
>
> You made the claim that human beings had been murdered onstage in
> ritual sacrifices. You claimed that this was almost common! And yet
> you fail to offer even a single court case!
Dead people tell no tales.
> Why don't you back this up? Maybe because there aren't any court
> cases to find because this never happens?
>
> >And all of this is aside from the fact that these so-called artists
> >and their whole thing is transforming the youth of this nation into a
> >Sodom and Gomorrah. If you are old enough to remember what America
> >was like before the 1960s, and you deny what I'm saying, then you are
> >part of the problem. Kids killing each other, having children while
> >they are still children themselves, getting sexually transmitted
> >diseases, aborting babies by the thousands...
>
> Let's see.. Before the sixties.
>
> Black Americans couldn't vote in many states, were forced to use
> seperate facilities, and if they dared to speak up, were lynched.
>
> Alcoholism was an epidemic.
>
> Tranquilizers were regualry prescribed to housewives who were
> culturally forbidden to do anything but act as servants.
>
> Today, we are approaching equality in both race and gender, and the
> nation is stronger for it.
Satan has Western society safely tucked away in the palm of his hand
while common decency has gone the way of the Dodo - what an odd
statement to make.
> >2 Timothy 3:
> >1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
> >2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
> >proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
> >3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
> >incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
> >4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
> >of God ...
>
> *yawn* A book full of myths. I'm not impressed.
I knew you had to be a Satanist - thanks for clearing that up, Douglas.
>
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
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I suggest giving your eyes a rest and plonk him.
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Twelve year olds are now selling their bodies so they can afford their
crack habits:
http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040125-9999_1m25vice.html
Police target juvenile sex ring
Prostitution network in S.D. involves 100 girls as young as 12
By Joe Hughes
UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER
January 25, 2004
San Diego police are investigating a prostitution ring in which girls as
young as 12 are working for teenage pimps who often recruit them at
neighborhood schools.
While teenage prostitution among runaways is not new, San Diego police
say the problem here has never been so severe. The ring may be
contributing significantly to that, police say.
Police are not releasing details of their investigation, and they
concede there is much they don't know. Investigative documents state the
prostitution ring is headed by a loose confederation of
17-to-24-year-old males who operate primarily in the South Bay.
After drawing the girls into prostitution and persuading them to leave
home, the pimps force them to hand over their earnings for food,
clothing and a place to stay, police say.
Police believe that up to 100 girls and 30 pimps may be involved. The
ring first became known to law enforcement last year but may have been
around for as long as two years.
Officers recently found one girl they believe to be connected to the
ring working in Phoenix. She was 12 but looked 8, and dressed to appeal
to pedophiles, police said.
In the past year, police say, they have seen a significant increase in
juvenile prostitution, and prostitution overall, prompting a recent
countywide summit of vice detectives from 18 law enforcement agencies.
The number of girls under 18 arrested in connection with prostitution in
San Diego nearly doubled last year, from 23 in 2002 to 41 in 2003, said
vice Detective Laura McGowan. Police also recorded 184 contacts with
juveniles suspected of being involved in prostitution last year,
compared with 73 the year before.
"These are staggering numbers," McGowan said.
Similar sex rings have been uncovered nationwide, including in Michigan,
Minnesota and New York.
Precise statistics on juvenile prostitution nationwide are not kept, but
the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children, which tracks such
activity, received 43,078 reports through a tip line in 2002, compared
with 24,442 in 2001.
"Child sexual exploitation is a major problem across the country," said
center chief executive officer Ernie Allen.
Congress has approved $4 million for a program that helps police,
educators and communities uncover and deal with the activity through
enforcement, counseling and education.
The FBI and the National Center for Missing & Exploited Children have
launched the Innocence Lost National Initiative, a program to help
states and cities target pimps who put teens on the street for sex.
Locally, federal agents two years ago broke up a ring they said smuggled
Mexican teens into Oceanside to work as prostitutes catering to migrant
farm workers.
In El Cajon, police say prostitutes are getting younger and are
increasingly working for pimps who are predominantly gang members.
During one recent sweep in El Cajon, police picked up a 13-year-old
prostitute from San Diego.
San Diego police arrested three 16-year-old girls last month on
suspicion of prostitution during a citywide operation targeting
customers, pimps and prostitutes. In all, police arrested 94 people and
impounded 27 cars.
In contacts with law enforcement, some of the juvenile prostitutes said
they work for their pimps because they get nice things and become part
of a close-knit group. Most are between 13 and 17 years old.
Many of the girls rely on cell phones to limit their time on the street,
where they could run into police. They hand their take – as much as $300
a day – to their pimps.
Kathi Hardy, a member of the Prostitution Task Force in San Diego's
Mid-City neighborhoods – and a former prostitute – said many girls are
contacted at school by pimps.
The girls usually come from broken homes and may have been victims of
sexual abuse before turning to prostitution, Hardy said.
"We are seeing more and more young women under 18 involved," said Hardy,
who counsels some of the girls at Juvenile Hall and also some men who
solicit prostitutes.
Hardy said she is planning to work with schools to help deal with the
problem.
"These girls are the real victims," she said. "They need help."
Authorities in other agencies say education and law enforcement
officials countywide only recently have become aware of the San Diego
police investigation and the possible involvement of students at several
schools. They referred all inquiries to San Diego police, saying they
have been told not to discuss confidential information with anyone
outside law enforcement.
School officials and police who come in contact with girls linked to
prostitution have been asked to forward reports and transcripts of
interviews to two San Diego police detectives assigned to the
investigation.
"Teenage prostitution is not new – you can find it in every major city
and even the suburbs – it is just getting more attention," said Dr. Lois
Lee, founder and president of Children of the Night, a nonprofit agency
dedicated to assisting children forced to prostitute themselves to
survive.
Lee has been working with San Diego police in recent months in
connection with the teen sex ring. She helped run a symposium for police
and juvenile advocates about teens from San Diego engaged in sex for pay
in Mexico.
A person convicted of soliciting sex from an adult prostitute for the
first time usually is fined about $500, put on probation for three years
and ordered to take an AIDS test. The person's vehicle is impounded.
Adults convicted of having sex with juveniles face greater penalties.
Sex between an adult and a person under 16 is a felony punishable by
prison terms of up to four years and civil fines.
Last month's crackdown on prostitution in San Diego targeted the Midway
District, North Park, City Heights, Logan Heights and East Village,
police said. The operation concluded Christmas Eve, but more are
planned.
San Diego City Councilwoman Toni Atkins has pushed for the prostitution
crackdown. Atkins' office has received an increasing number of
complaints about the problem from residents and merchants, primarily
along El Cajon Boulevard, from Park Boulevard to 70th Street.
"There were more women on the street, many of them younger than in the
past, and they were connected to gang activity," Atkins said.
She feared the situation would escalate as it did in the early 1990s,
when "packs of women" roamed the streets, she said. Police and city
officials used tactics such as securing temporary restraining orders to
combat the problem.
Atkins said she is pleased with the recent vice operation and said it
has had a "huge effect" on activity, especially along El Cajon Boulevard
and University Avenue.
The Police Department's McGowan said there is hope for girls involved in
prostitution. She followed the cases of 18 girls who were active
prostitutes arrested last year and was able to help five of the girls,
through counseling and education, go straight.
http://www.sandiegomag.com/issues/june04/featured0604.asp
Hooked
Some of the streetwalkers in San Diego aren’t even old enough for a
driver’s license when they start turning tricks. How does the world’s
oldest profession lure the young? Drugs are only part of the answer.
By Jeannette De Wyze
Nicole was 12 when she started hooking. The way she tells it, she
slipped into the life rather than choosing it. Her mother was addicted
to crystal meth; her father “was never in the picture.” She detested her
stepfather, a crack cocaine user who “was very abusive.” Mature for her
age, the preteen was often forced to care for her younger brothers and a
sister. She says she reached a breaking point when her mother took off
for Florida, abandoning the family yet again. “That really hurt me. So
when she came back, I ran away,” Nicole says.
“I didn’t plan for it to be a permanent leave,” she says of her
impulsive decision five years ago. She slept at a cousin’s house for a
while, but one night, “I was at a trolley station in Spring Valley, and
I seen one of my homegirls that I went to school with. She just came out
with it and was like, ‘I’m ho’ing, and I have this pimp.’ She didn’t
really try to recruit me.”
Instead, Nicole claims she asked to see the pimp’s house, where “I kind
of bought into this game. The pimp already had cars and a house. He took
me shopping. We went to L.A. that first night—to Hollywood—and I’m
thinking, ‘Okay, this is what it’s about. I want to do this.’”
Now 17, Nicole lives, for the moment, in the county’s Girls’
Rehabilitation Facility on Starlight Drive in Linda Vista. She says
she’s torn between yearning to make a better life for herself and
succumbing again to the siren song of the street.
It’s a lure to which record numbers of teenage girls are responding,
authorities say. According to Laura McGowan, a vice detective for the
San Diego Police Department, 41 girls under 18 were arrested for
prostitution in San Diego in 2003, almost twice the number for 2002.
Prostitution-related contacts between police and juveniles more than
doubled from 73 in 2002 to 184 last year. Reports have circulated that a
gang of aggressive pimp recruiters based in the South Bay has
contributed to the increase.
A police investigation into the alleged ring is ongoing, so McGowan
won’t disclose details of the department’s findings. However, she offers
other insights into why increasing numbers of teenage girls are selling
their bodies.
“I see this huge shift from the ’80s to now,” McGowan says. Back then,
“if you went down to the Sports Arena area, on Midway Drive or lower
Rosecrans, and even up on El Cajon Boulevard, it was just wall-to-wall
prostitutes and transvestites.” But, she says, most of the younger girls
“probably had a child at home, and they were trying to get money to take
care of their child.”
In contrast, the 14-, 15-, and 16-year-old girls working as
streetwalkers today “are out there for reasons completely opposite of
what it was 15 years ago. It isn’t the fact that they’re poor,” McGowan
says. “They’re doing it so they can buy clothes and jewelry and CDs and
Walkmen. When you ask them why they’re out there, they say they want
‘stuff.’”
But there are other factors, too.
McGowan says many girls come from fatherless homes. Pimps supply them
not only with compliments and promises of protection, the detective
says, but also with the structure, boundaries and consequences so often
craved by children. “It’s a sick relationship, but it’s very structured:
‘You’re gonna work Monday through Saturday, these hours. You’re gonna be
hooking up with me after every date and giving me the money.’ If they
step out of line, they get beat.”
American culture over the past decade or so has grown more tolerant of
prostitution, often glamorizing it. “The word ‘pimp,’ when I was
younger, had a negative connotation,” McGowan says. “It was a bad thing.
But now you have a television show, Pimp My Ride... Same thing with ‘ho’
[whore]. If you were a ho, that was a bad thing; you were a prostitute,
a tramp. Now, it’s considered funny. Whoopi Goldberg’s production
company is called One Ho Productions. It kind of makes you think it has
a different meaning now.”
McGowan says she’s asked a lot of arrested teenagers if anyone ever told
them prostitution was wrong or immoral or unethical. “They just look at
me with these deer-in-the-headlights looks. They’re completely
bewildered—because nobody has ever told them that.”
These kids are looking at it as a part-time job,” says Kathi Hardy. A
short, sturdy woman of 49, Hardy wears grandmotherly wire-frame glasses;
her steel-gray hair is close-cropped. These days she works as a
social-science researcher in Kearny Mesa. But from 1988 to 1993, she was
a hooker, and for most of that time, she was homeless in East San Diego,
arrested 15 times, raped on a dozen occasions.
“I lost count of how many times I was beat up and robbed,” she says.
When Hardy finally entered a drug-rehabilitation program, her health was
shattered. “I had been treated for gonorrhea. I had been treated for
syphilis. I had hepatitis B. I had a lump in my breast. I had an
abnormal Pap [smear] for five years,” she says.
Drugs took her down this sorry path. Born and raised in Dallas in a
middle-class white family, Hardy started using marijuana, LSD and other
drugs at 13. Throughout high school, a stint in the Marine Corps,
marriage and motherhood, her usage escalated, even as she held down a
series of jobs in medical offices. But during one bleak period, she lost
custody of her son, got fired from her job and was evicted from her
house. “In a month and a half, I went from being what I thought was a
functional addict ... to being homeless,” she says. “Many people think
it couldn’t happen to them. But we’re all just a paycheck or two away
from that if we don’t keep our guard up.”
Hardy says her homelessness and addiction finally drove her to sell
herself. “I thought it would be an easy way to make money,” something
she would endure for “not more than a couple of weeks, tops,” she says.
Years later, she only escaped her degradation after the intercession of
some concerned police officers, who kept arresting her and urging her
into rehab. She got sober in October 1993.
Since then, she’s become involved in trying to aid and educate active
and recovering prostitutes. Hardy visits the Girls’ Rehabilitation
Facility, located next to Juvenile Court, every other Friday to spend an
hour or two talking to teenage girls incarcerated because of
prostitution.
“Last year I spoke to 113 different little girls there,” she says. Hardy
echoes McGowan’s words when she reflects on why their numbers have been
increasing: “Kids have come to see this as a viable way of making money.
They see kids at school with cell phones and clothes, et cetera, and
they get involved. With some of these kids, their parents give them
everything. But they want more.”
Hardy says teenaged “tennis-shoe pimps” trick some girls into
prostituting themselves. Such a boy might convince a girl to go to
Tijuana and do some table dancing in order to earn extra money. “They
think it’s harmless, but it lowers the girl’s self-esteem,” Hardy says.
It also gives the boy a means of blackmailing the girl into more
outlandish actions.
Other girls succumb to pleas for financial help from males with whom
they’re smitten. Then they find themselves being forced to continue
selling themselves. “The boys will say, ‘If you don’t do this for me,
I’ll do something to your family’ or ‘If you don’t do this for me, I’ll
get your little sister out there.’ There’s several different ways of
manipulating these things,” Hardy says.
Girls who join gangs are also vulnerable, according to the
ex-prostitute. “Part of the initiation might involve turning a trick.
And once they get into that, they end up being pimped out by the gang—or
lent to various people in the gang to service them. It’s part of the
economy of the gang.”
On a spring afternoon, eight girls trickle into one of Hardy’s
educational meetings at Girls’ Rehab: five African-Americans, two whites
and one Hispanic, all wearing baggy purple T-shirts, heavy navy pants or
shorts and institutional sandals. The girls seem reserved at first, but
when Hardy starts playing a videotape about a San Francisco program that
helps women escape from prostitution, the teenagers come alive, hooting
and smirking at the images of the street life. Despite their youth,
these are brawny, knowing, irreverent young women, whose raucous,
slang-choked repartee at times reaches ear-splitting volume.
They quiet and appear sympathetic when Nicole, the girl who’d entered
prostitution at 12, describes her experience after an abortion last
November. Her cervix had been cut accidentally, and when she began to
hemorrhage heavily, fear that she might never be able to have children
gripped her, she confesses.
“Do you plan on having a family one day?” Hardy probes.
“Oh yes,” Nicole responds On another occasion, in private, Nicole
confides she also aspires to become a nurse. “I love helping people. And
I have really good communication skills,” she says. It hurts to think
she would be graduating about now if she had continued in school and
never left home. “Time just goes by so fast,” she says. “Here I’ve never
held a real job. Never gone to a prom or taken driver’s ed. Stuff like
that.”
Nicole may have a chance to reclaim some of what she’s lost. Scheduled
for release this month, she’s struck a deal with her probation officer,
who’s promised to end her probation and seal her records (which include
a felony). All Nicole must do is live with her mother and stepfather
(both now clean) until August, when she’ll turn 18. With her felony
expunged, she’ll be able to join the Navy and make a new life for
herself.
But she could earn far more money on the street. A typical streetwalker
“will make at least $150 an hour,” Nicole says. “It depends on what area
you’re in. But like San Diego? I charge at least $80 to $100 for sex.”
At the same time, “You have to give it all to your pimp,” she says.
That’s one of the myriad rules of the game. “He’s like the king. He’ll
say, ‘Whatever you need, just ask me, and I’ll get it for you, or I’ll
give you the money to go get it.’”
Most of the time, pimps delivered, according to Nicole, although she
says, “I don’t have nothing to show for it now. Nothing. I’ve made so
much money during those years—thousands and thousands of dollars. And I
don’t have a penny now.” All she’d gained was a drug addiction, acquired
early in her years on the street. “I can’t prostitute if I don’t smoke.
I just can’t build up enough will, you know what I mean?”
Not all teenage prostitutes are in the grip of drugs. A week before her
scheduled release from the Girls’ Rehabilitation Facility, one
15-year-old, Shannon, says, “Maybe I should have [used drugs]. Some
people say it makes it easier to go out there. But that was never me.
Me, I just did it for the money. That’s my addiction —money.”
Shannon would appear to be at home in the halls of any high school. She
wears her ginger-colored hair pulled back tight from a face that is pale
and round. A trace of acne betrays how young she really is. She says
that she first learned about prostitution from some of the pimps in her
neighborhood.
“They never really tried to get me to go out there,” she says. In fact,
at first she vigorously rejected the notion she would ever have sex with
strangers for money. But when she was 14, she and her older sister
decided to run away from the grandmother who had raised them. Faced with
supporting themselves, and lacking other ideas, “the first thing that
popped into our heads” was to contact one of the pimps.
It wasn’t a tough decision, Shannon says. “I’m kind of a strong-willed
person. I don’t cry much. I’m not really emotional.” Even when she was
arrested in Los Angeles, just one month after she started hooking, “it
didn’t really faze me,” she says That first time she was locked up, “I
lied to myself and everybody,” Shannon says. “I said, ‘Oh, when I get
out, I’m not going to do it.’ Just to say it.”
But this time, having spent almost six months in the rehabilitation
facility, “I’ve been looking at it from a different point of view,” she
says. “One of the counselors here told me to write a letter to
prostitution, saying goodbye, like it’s a friend. And you know, that
really gave me insight into how I thought about it myself.”
Still, there were a lot of plusses, she says. “I’m a very materialistic
person. I think that’s because I don’t have much. I have everything I
need, but I just want more.” She also liked the attention, she believes.
“I have the attention of my pimp, because he’s appreciating the money
I’m bringing him. I have the attention of other pimps, always trying to
run after me and get me. You know, in an odd way, ho’ing boosts your
confidence, ’cause pimps are like, ‘Damn! You look good. I want you on
my team.’
“But I found a lot more minuses,” Shannon says. One was the threat of
AIDS. To protect herself, “I use condoms for everything. To have sex,
for oral sex ... you have to have a condom on. And I’m always watching
the trick very closely, because I had an incident one time when I first
started. Now, I don’t do any awkward positions. I’m either on top or
you’re on top, and sometimes I don’t even let the other person on top
because that means I’m not going to be able to get up.”
Even taking such precautions, Shannon recognizes that “as soon as I step
in that car, I could be raped, robbed, killed on the spot. And even
though I’m not dead yet, I’m still tormented in a way. I remember
everything I did, and the things I had to go through.”
Acquaintances had warned her she would never be able to love anyone
after her street experience. “I’m not sure. But I’m hoping it’s not
true,” she says.
When she looks into her future, “I know what I want to be doing,”
Shannon says. “I know I want to finish high school. I don’t want a GED,
because that doesn’t really get you anywhere these days. I want a high
school diploma, and then I want to go to college. I either want to be a
kindergarten teacher or a pediatrician, ’cause I really like kids. So
I’m probably gonna major in medicine and child psychology. And
eventually have my own little family—a couple of kids and my little
house.
“In a way, I regret being put in the game, but in a way, I don’t,” she
says. “It was a learning experience, and I have to admit, some of it was
really fun. It was exciting. I had everything I wanted. An outfit every
day. New shoes every day. Going out to eat. Having a nice car. Getting
your hair done all the time; your nails done.”
But whenever Shannon looks at it closely, “I get really serious about
it, like: Man, I need to stop before I get more drawn into it,” she
says. “Before I die.”
MC Bob
>> >> > ~~~ ~~
I heard they actually met at that show.
MC Bob
> Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
>> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
>> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> >>
>> >> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when
>> >> the murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also,
>> >> there is proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted
>> >> against the dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage
>> >> filmed for Gimmie Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted
>> >> and tried for the murder, but was found not guilty.
>> >
>> >Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
>> >Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
>> >
>> >I think not.
>>
>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>
> They did - I just happened to be in attendance, Douglas.
He was too busy drinking Bosco in his footed pajamas, watching 'The
Monkees'.
MC Bob
> Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
>> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
>> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> >> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>> >>
>> >
>> >Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>>
>> Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
>> Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
>> Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
>> Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>>
>> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>
> They were flown-in special for the show, as per their Satanic Majesties
> Request.
>
> Money is no concern to these Devils.
Probably on a jet fueled by the blood of a thousand virgins.
MC Bob
> MC Bob wrote:
>>
>> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>> news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
>> > over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
>> > minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> >
>> >>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>> >>>
>> >>
>> >>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>> >
>> > Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
>> > Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
>> > Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
>> > Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>> >
>> > Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>>
>> Suuuuure they were.
>
> I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
MC Bob
> It's time to put Satan right back in the hole, Douglas.
Don't give him any ideas...
±
>
> Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> wrote in message news:<s3k6k05c3ut7fclid...@4ax.com>...
> > On 11 Sep 2004 11:58:52 -0700, bringero...@aol.com
> > (BringerOfLight) wrote:
> >
> > > As for hell Howie, being one of a very atheistic nature, I don't
> > > swallow it. But I'll tell you what? If Im going there, I'll
> > > delightedly keep you a front row seat beside me eh. Im pretty sure
> > > ol Mick and "Keef" will put on a great show that night! ;-)
> >
> > one there will be having a good time. They'll be blaming each other
> > for their own misery.
>
> Lol, so you've been to hell have you Howie? What did your "God" give
> you, a "Get Out Of Hell Free" card?
>
> >
> > Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
> > suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
> > publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
> > ("a fool hath no delight in understanding"), rather for the sake of
> > anyone else who may have the good sense to hear.
>
> Go ahead Howie, knock yourself out. Just do us all one big favour -
> check your fucking sources the next time around, we don't want you
> making an even bigger tit of yourself than what you've already done,
> do we now? ;-)
> >
> > The 10-hour video documentary I originally posted the audio to on
> > alt.binaries.sounds.mp3.christian is not just secondhand information -
> > it contains clips both on stage and off of the major rock "artists"
> > from Elvis to Madonna and Marilyn Manson. These people are the scum
> > of the earth, and many of them stated that their inspiration came from
> > the devil - they weren't saying it to impress a young audience or to
> > make more money either.
>
> Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense!
Did you know that Elvis was really a Jew?
Not a Satanist, but pretty darn close - after all, who tortured and
murdered Jesus?
> Elvis
> made several gospel records, hardly the act of a satanist.
Just a clever rouse.
> Madonna?
> Gimme a fucking break.
Yet another Christ-Killer - she's pushing the Kabbalah on the few
God-fearing Christian kids we have left out there:
http://www.chinadaily.com.cn/english/doc/2004-06/18/content_340615.htm
A Jewish Madonna? Is that a mystery?
Updated: 2004-06-18 11:38
So on the one hand, she wears a Jewish star, says she attends synagogue,
performs with a version of the prayer accessory known as tefillin and
with Hebrew letters flashing across a screen, and has let it be known
that she won't have concerts on the Jewish Sabbath.
MC Bob
We never should have let those filthy Rolling Stones into this country.
BDK
says...
Well, you owe me a keyboard!! I shot iced tea out my nose when I read
the above post!
Clue:
If he doesn't believe in the bible, he almost surely doesn't believe in
"Satan" either..
Do you have any working brain cells at all?
BDF
Douglas Berry
minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>>> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>>>
>>>Suuuuure they were.
>>
>> Yup. In Belguim that weekend.
>>
>
>Are you telling me Grace Slick didn't do a flooglehorn solo with Hendrix
>that day, in front of 10,856 people?
Well, obviously that happened! But Zepp was in Belguim.
so.. you took the brown acid, I take it?
Douglas Berry
pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:36:20
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Mick Jagger and "Keef" Richards are well-known Homosexuals.
Mick is bi, at best. He's a well-known hedonist who slept with anyone
who could fit into the hotel. Scores of paternity suits, several
marriages, several children.
Keith? Keith's a fucking alien. But always around good-looking
women.
Sad thing is you probably couldn't name an actual gay rock star if
your life depended on it.
Douglas Berry
minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
>
>What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
Amazing. Considering I got on the net in 1993...
Douglas Berry
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
>> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
>> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> >>
>> >> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when the
>> >> murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
>> >> proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
>> >> dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
>> >> Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
>> >> murder, but was found not guilty.
>> >
>> >Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
>> >Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
>> >
>> >I think not.
>>
>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>
>They did - I just happened to be in attendance, Douglas.
I can't find a single source that states they were there. And several
sources that have Zepplin touring Europe.
Describe the Altamont racetrack.
Douglas Berry
pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:16:36
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> was
>> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:46:55
>> -0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> >Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
>> >suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
>> >publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
>> >the horse's mouth to the horse's a.
>>
>> No, you won't.
>>
>> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
>> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
>> at rock shows.
>
>I have - at an Alice Cooper show, among others.
Cool. Dates and locations where you saw a human being killed onstage.
>I've also seen Satanic rockers, The Tubes, perform several ritual
>sacrifices on-stage and have been told by extremely reliable sources
>that GWAR does as well.
The Tubes? ROTFLMAO!
>> You bear false witness, Howard.
>
>It's time to put Satan right back in the hole, Douglas.
No such thing. Satan and Santa - both myths told to children to
create desired behavoir.
I stopped beliving in the both of them when I was seven.. how old are
you?
Douglas Berry
pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:25:45
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> Had there been actual sex onstage, he would have been arrested. See
>> Jim Morrison and the Miami-Dade Police. He flashed the audience and
>> had to flee the country!
>>
>> You made the claim that human beings had been murdered onstage in
>> ritual sacrifices. You claimed that this was almost common! And yet
>> you fail to offer even a single court case!
>
>Dead people tell no tales.
Howard claimed there had been court cases. He claimed these things
were common. I asked for one court case that involved an actual
onstage killing as part of some ritual. So far, all he has is insults
and more wild claims.
>Satan has Western society safely tucked away in the palm of his hand
>while common decency has gone the way of the Dodo - what an odd
>statement to make.
Actually, it is the Christians who destroy society. They chant love
while practiscing hate.
>> >2 Timothy 3:
>> >1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
>> >2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
>> >proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
>> >3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
>> >incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
>> >4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
>> >of God ...
>>
>> *yawn* A book full of myths. I'm not impressed.
>
>I knew you had to be a Satanist - thanks for clearing that up, Douglas.
ROTFLMAO! I'm an atheist, you moron. I do not believe in gods,
spirits, or other mythological creatures.
Douglas Berry
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> Just as I thought - you don't know squat about this country. At the
>> rate we're going we'll soon be raising nothing but cannon fodder, wage
>> slaves, and devils. We're probably already there.
>
>I suggest giving your eyes a rest and plonk him.
It would stop his hemmoraging on the rock and roll subject.
Douglas Berry
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>Twelve year olds are now selling their bodies so they can afford their
>crack habits:
>
>http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040125-9999_1m25vice.html
In Havana under Batista whorehouses offered girls as young as eight to
visiting American businessmen. Virgins cost extra.
Douglas Berry
-0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense!
>
>Did you know that Elvis was really a Jew?
>
>Not a Satanist, but pretty darn close - after all, who tortured and
>murdered Jesus?
The Romans.
±
>
> ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:41450EA8...@hotmail.com:
>
> > MC Bob wrote:
> >>
> >> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> >> news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
> >>
> >> > In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> >> > over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53 GMT by Zoog,
> >> > minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >> >
> >> >>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
> >> >>>
> >> >>
> >> >>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
> >> >
> >> > Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana, Crosby,
> >> > Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers, Jefferson
> >> > Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead listed. The
> >> > Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
> >> >
> >> > Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
> >>
> >> Suuuuure they were.
> >
> > I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
>
> What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
The good thing about these Satanists - you can easily grab them by their
horns.
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No surprise - the ignorant are easily amused.
> Clue:
>
> If he doesn't believe in the bible, he almost surely doesn't believe in
> "Satan" either..
Do you believe that Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, died for you and
me?
> Do you have any working brain cells at all?
I let the Lord guide me towards the paths of righteousness - though I
walk through fire, He will not let me be burned.
> BDF
>
> >
> >
> > >
> > > --
> > >
> > > Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> > > Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
> > >
> > > "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> > > when they do it from religious conviction."
> > > Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
> >
> >
> >
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>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:36:20
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >Mick Jagger and "Keef" Richards are well-known Homosexuals.
>
> Mick is bi, at best.
There's no such thing as bisexual - Sodomites are Homosexuals, period.
> He's a well-known hedonist who slept with anyone
> who could fit into the hotel. Scores of paternity suits, several
> marriages, several children.
I'm glad he's enjoyed himself so far, I've a feeling the afterlife won't
be as much fun.
> Keith? Keith's a fucking alien. But always around good-looking
> women.
Let's just say that Mr. Richards' hasn't walked right ever since he
shared his first three-way with Mick and John *Long Dong* Lennon.
> Sad thing is you probably couldn't name an actual gay rock star if
> your life depended on it.
Elton John - Quien es mas macho?
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> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 13 Sep 2004 04:00:51 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >> I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
> >
> >What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
>
> Amazing. Considering I got on the net in 1993...
You Satanists are a tricky lot.
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> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 19:55:42
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >Douglas Berry wrote:
> >>
> >> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> >> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 01:25:39
> >> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >> >>
> >> >> First of all, the Stones weren't playing Sympathy for the Devil when the
> >> >> murder took place, they were playing Under My Thumb. Also, there is
> >> >> proof that Hunter had a gun. You can see it silhouetted against the
> >> >> dress of the girl standing next to him in the footage filmed for Gimmie
> >> >> Shelter. Finally, one of the Angels was indicted and tried for the
> >> >> murder, but was found not guilty.
> >> >
> >> >Any coincidence that Led Zeppelin, well known disciples of feared
> >> >Satanist, Aleister Crowley, opened for the Stones that day?
> >> >
> >> >I think not.
> >>
> >> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
> >
> >They did - I just happened to be in attendance, Douglas.
>
> I can't find a single source that states they were there.
Contractual problems caused them to be left off of all advertising.
Needless to say, the Maysles had to stop the cameras and all sound
recording was banned during their performance - they had the Angels
guarding the soundboard just to make sure.
> And several sources that have Zepplin touring Europe.
Good for them - I was there.
> Describe the Altamont racetrack.
Big and round.
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> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:16:36
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >Douglas Berry wrote:
> >>
> >> In our last thrilling episode, Howard Duck <hbd...@geusnet.com> was
> >> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sat, 11 Sep 2004 14:46:55
> >> -0500 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
> >>
> >> >Looks like the Luciferian is throwing down the gauntlet. Well, I
> >> >suppose I'll pick up the challenge by copying out as much as
> >> >publishers will allow of works by some other sources... direct from
> >> >the horse's mouth to the horse's a.
> >>
> >> No, you won't.
> >>
> >> Because I'm still waiting for you to produce a single court case
> >> number to support your claim that ritual sacrifices take place onstage
> >> at rock shows.
> >
> >I have - at an Alice Cooper show, among others.
>
> Cool. Dates and locations where you saw a human being killed onstage.
Now, Douglas - if I went through all that trouble, you'd still be
denial.
I'm right, aren't I?
As it is, you've already posted that US society was doing peachy keen
while I've posted proof otherwise - you deserve no credibility at all.
> >I've also seen Satanic rockers, The Tubes, perform several ritual
> >sacrifices on-stage and have been told by extremely reliable sources
> >that GWAR does as well.
>
> The Tubes? ROTFLMAO!
Fee Waybill is a member of Anton LaVey's Hollywood coven.
> >> You bear false witness, Howard.
> >
> >It's time to put Satan right back in the hole, Douglas.
>
> No such thing. Satan and Santa - both myths told to children to
> create desired behavoir.
Do you believe Jesus is the Son of God, Douglas?
> I stopped beliving in the both of them when I was seven.. how old are
> you?
Old enough to recognize a Satanist when I see one.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >> --
> >>
> >> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> >> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
> >>
> >> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> >> when they do it from religious conviction."
> >> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
>
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
MC Bob
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 13 Sep 2004 02:39:00 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
>>>>> Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>>>>
>>>>Suuuuure they were.
>>>
>>> Yup. In Belguim that weekend.
>>>
>>
>>Are you telling me Grace Slick didn't do a flooglehorn solo with Hendrix
>>that day, in front of 10,856 people?
>
> Well, obviously that happened! But Zepp was in Belguim.
>
> so.. you took the brown acid, I take it?
So you deny the invention of air travel?
MC Bob
> In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was pushed
> over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 13 Sep 2004 04:00:51 GMT by Zoog,
> minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
>>> I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
>>
>>What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
>
> Amazing. Considering I got on the net in 1993...
It was the doctrine of the premptive strike.
MC Bob
> Mick is bi, at best. He's a well-known hedonist who slept with
> several children.
Aren't you afraid of getting sued? Can you prove this?
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:25:45
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >Douglas Berry wrote:
> >>
> >> Had there been actual sex onstage, he would have been arrested. See
> >> Jim Morrison and the Miami-Dade Police. He flashed the audience and
> >> had to flee the country!
> >>
> >> You made the claim that human beings had been murdered onstage in
> >> ritual sacrifices. You claimed that this was almost common! And yet
> >> you fail to offer even a single court case!
> >
> >Dead people tell no tales.
>
> Howard claimed there had been court cases. He claimed these things
> were common. I asked for one court case that involved an actual
> onstage killing as part of some ritual. So far, all he has is insults
> and more wild claims.
While I'd suggest we all keep a polite tone, I can't speak for Mr. Duck.
> >Satan has Western society safely tucked away in the palm of his hand
> >while common decency has gone the way of the Dodo - what an odd
> >statement to make.
>
> Actually, it is the Christians who destroy society. They chant love
> while practiscing hate.
How do Christians destroy society, Douglas?
> >> >2 Timothy 3:
> >> >1 This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come.
> >> >2 For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous, boasters,
> >> >proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy,
> >> >3 Without natural affection, trucebreakers, false accusers,
> >> >incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good,
> >> >4 Traitors, heady, highminded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers
> >> >of God ...
> >>
> >> *yawn* A book full of myths. I'm not impressed.
> >
> >I knew you had to be a Satanist - thanks for clearing that up, Douglas.
>
> ROTFLMAO! I'm an atheist, you moron. I do not believe in gods,
> spirits, or other mythological creatures.
If you don't stand for something, you'll fall for anything, Devil
Worshiper.
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
MC Bob
> Describe the Altamont racetrack.
It was circular, I think. Perhaps oval.
MC Bob
> Fee Waybill is a member of Anton LaVey's Hollywood coven.
Not to mention Quay Lewd.
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>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:51:11
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >Twelve year olds are now selling their bodies so they can afford their
> >crack habits:
> >
> >http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040125-9999_1m25vice.html
>
> In Havana under Batista whorehouses offered girls as young as eight to
> visiting American businessmen. Virgins cost extra.
I'll give old Splitfoot his due - he seems to get around a lot.
Western society is irreconcilably Satanist.
> --
>
> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
±
>
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:04:26
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
> >> Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense!
> >
> >Did you know that Elvis was really a Jew?
> >
> >Not a Satanist, but pretty darn close - after all, who tortured and
> >murdered Jesus?
>
> The Romans.
The Zionists.
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> Douglas E. Berry Do the OBVIOUS thing to send e-mail
> Atheist #2147, Atheist Vet #5
>
> "Men never do evil so completely and cheerfully as
> when they do it from religious conviction."
> Blaise Pascal (1623-1662), Pense'es, #894.
MC Bob
>
> In Havana under Batista whorehouses offered girls as young as eight to
> visiting American businessmen. Virgins cost extra.
What year did you go?
MC Bob
> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:04:26
> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>
>>> Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense!
>>
>>Did you know that Elvis was really a Jew?
>>
>>Not a Satanist, but pretty darn close - after all, who tortured and
>>murdered Jesus?
>
> The Romans.
Who were basically Jews in skirts.
MC Bob
> MC Bob wrote:
>>
>> ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in
>> news:41450EA8...@hotmail.com:
>>
>> > MC Bob wrote:
>> >>
>> >> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>> >> news:kms7k0hur02cb4958...@4ax.com:
>> >>
>> >> > In our last thrilling episode, MC Bob <mas...@mason.snuh> was
>> >> > pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on 11 Sep 2004 18:28:53
>> >> > GMT by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>> >> >
>> >> >>> Lep Zep didn't play Altamont.
>> >> >>>
>> >> >>
>> >> >>Sure they did. Hendrix warmed up for them.
>> >> >
>> >> > Care to cite a source? I have the Rolling Stones, Santana,
>> >> > Crosby, Stills, Nash, and Young, The Flying Burrito Brothers,
>> >> > Jefferson Aeroplane, Ike and Tine Turner, and the Grateful Dead
>> >> > listed. The Dead didn't play because of the bad vibe.
>> >> >
>> >> > Led Zep was touring Europe at the time.
>> >>
>> >> Suuuuure they were.
>> >
>> > I'm about ready to put him in my Bozobin.
>>
>> What took you so long? He's been in mine since 1992.
>
> The good thing about these Satanists - you can easily grab them by their
> horns.
Lucky for me I have my white gloves blessed by the pope of the one true
church.
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>
> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
> news:0jbak09p6nuqjtp58...@4ax.com:
>
> > Mick is bi, at best. He's a well-known hedonist who slept with
>
> > several children.
>
> Aren't you afraid of getting sued? Can you prove this?
Touché.
>
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> ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:414543D5...@hotmail.com:
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> > Fee Waybill is a member of Anton LaVey's Hollywood coven.
>
> Not to mention Quay Lewd.
White Punks on Dope - Mondo Bondage - say no more.
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> MC Bob wrote:
>>
>> ± <h0plib...@hotmail.com> wrote in news:4145192F.200244A9
I don't even eat devil's food cake.
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BDK
says...
Ignorant, no, but when you posted something so clueless, so whacked, I
had to laugh...
>
> > Clue:
> >
> > If he doesn't believe in the bible, he almost surely doesn't believe in
> > "Satan" either..
>
> Do you believe that Jesus Christ, the only Son of God, died for you and
> me?
Of course not! I don't believe in "god" or the "devil". I figured that
nonsense out right after I figured out the santa bit..
>
> > Do you have any working brain cells at all?
>
> I let the Lord guide me towards the paths of righteousness - though I
> walk through fire, He will not let me be burned.
So, you just wing it, and "hope for the best?? LOL. Talk about
ignorant...
BDK
Howard Duck
> Your entire diatribe has been blaming rock and roll for society's ills. I'm
> just pointing out that these things have been happening loooong before rock
> and roll arrived. Are there more instances now? Probably. There are a lot
> more people and we have a much more mobile society. There are myriad
> reasons for what's happening in our society today.
>
> Otter
You are absolutely right that there are other contributing factors for
the decline of American moral values. The horrible influences of
modern movies and TV. The removal of the Bible and prayer from our
schools. The materialism and turning away from spiritual values by
our society as a whole. The falsehood and hypocrisy of our
ministries. There are numerous causes, but this pied piper of music
has created a great separation between youth and adults, and there is
no other media or method quite so hypnotic and satanic in its
discourse to captivate an audience of gullible youth.
These things are not "ho-hum, so-what" issues. They are despoiling
everything this nation was built upon, and they will culminate in
inviting wholesale devastation from within and without.
Howard Duck
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
> Howard claimed there had been court cases. He claimed these things
> were common. I asked for one court case that involved an actual
> onstage killing as part of some ritual. So far, all he has is insults
> and more wild claims.
Look, Berry, this is a copy of exactly what I said in the thread under
the heading Re: They Sold Their Souls for Rock n Roll vol 4, 9/6/2004:
Don't you wonder where the police are while all of this is going on?
This video tells about an instance where Marilyn Manson has oral sex
with another band member on stage during a performance. It also tells
of other cases where a band has sacrificed people to the devil (though
not on stage, I think).
-------------------------------------------
So try to get it right, will ya please?
-------------------------------------------
Howard Duck
wrote:
> Howard Duck wrote:
> >
> > Just as I thought - you don't know squat about this country. At the
> > rate we're going we'll soon be raising nothing but cannon fodder, wage
> > slaves, and devils. We're probably already there.
>
> I suggest giving your eyes a rest and plonk him.
You are absolutely right. Berry and Luc TheLightBringer have been
misquoting me ad infinitum. I guess that's their little game.
--
Howard
Howard Duck
wrote:
> Twelve year olds are now selling their bodies so they can afford their
> crack habits:
>
> http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040125-9999_1m25vice.html
Joe Schimmel, on that 10-hour video documentary about rock, said that
at one concert there were girls from 8 to 13 yrs old throwing their
panties up onstage.
Howard Duck
<pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote:
> Heh. My mom graduated from Wauwatosa High School in Wisconson in the
> early fifties. She and her sisters threw legendary parties which
> often drew police attention (and on one occasion left the youngest
> sister passed out in a pile of Miller beer bottles, a bathroom door
> missing, and a nervous phonecall asking if a pair of pants had been
> found on the premises.)
>
> The school sent home a stern note to all the parents, warning of the
> drinking, car racing, and "lurid activities" that the kids were
> undertaking.
>
> This was in 1953, remember.
This explains a lot about you personally, Berry. But it was not
typical Americana, believe me.
MC Bob
> MC Bob wrote:
>>
>> Douglas Berry <pengu...@mindOBVIOUSspring.com> wrote in
>> news:0jbak09p6nuqjtp58...@4ax.com:
>>
>> > Mick is bi, at best. He's a well-known hedonist who slept with
>>
>> > several children.
>>
>> Aren't you afraid of getting sued? Can you prove this?
>
> Touché.
Now, I hear Woody Allen is definitely a kiddie fucker. And Bush Sr.
MC Bob
> How do Christians destroy society, Douglas?
I'm pretty sure Christians built this society. If they want to tear it
down, that seems to be their perogative.
Now Playing: Deicide - The Cacodaemon
MC Bob
> Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
>> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 20:51:11
>> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> >Twelve year olds are now selling their bodies so they can afford their
>> >crack habits:
>> >
>> >http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/metro/20040125-9999_1m25vice.html
>>
>> In Havana under Batista whorehouses offered girls as young as eight to
>> visiting American businessmen. Virgins cost extra.
>
> I'll give old Splitfoot his due - he seems to get around a lot.
>
> Western society is irreconcilably Satanist.
I was talking about this with some Witness friends of mine, and they
pointed out that the Bible says that Satan rules the entire Earth. What's
the point of anything? I'm askin'.
MC Bob
> Douglas Berry wrote:
>>
>> In our last thrilling episode, ą <h0plib...@hotmail.com> was
>> pushed over the cliffs of alt.conspiracy on Sun, 12 Sep 2004 21:04:26
>> -0700 by Zoog, minion of Zathar. As he fell, he screamed:
>>
>> >> Elvis took his inspiration from the devil? Yet again nonsense!
>> >
>> >Did you know that Elvis was really a Jew?
>> >
>> >Not a Satanist, but pretty darn close - after all, who tortured and
>> >murdered Jesus?
>>
>> The Romans.
>
> The Zionists.
Talk about a Satanic organization! Come to think of it, Mick has a Roman
nose.
MC Bob
I eat hemp gruel, and the flagellate myself for hours in pious condemnation
of my own sinful nature. Usually until 'Joey' is on.
MC Bob
news:ka0bk059numu0j3gh...@4ax.com:
Reggae, I find, celebrates Christian values of love, peace and tolerance.
Their ideology is derived from the Coptics of Ethiopia, and has Christianty
as its main source of dogma.
Peter Tosh never killed anyone. Anyone who mattered, anyway.