Passion
Billy Lee Harman
The reason for the resurgence of feelings against Jewish people
is the resurgence of their oppression of other Semitic people, most of whom
are Islamic and many of whom reside in Canaan, the land we call Israel or
Palestine.
http://people.star.net/silence
Pastor Frank
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stupidity is confiscating scarce land from (Palestinian) natives without
paying compensation and by force of arms, in our present nuclear age. How
long before they or their friends shove a battle / back pack nuke up our
asses? Once the first nuclear mine goes off in any city of the world, ALL
the world's city dwellers will be refugees, for no one knows which city will
be next.
Our entire foreign policy is based on the erroneous assumption, that
desperately poor and corrupt Russian generals will not sell fissionable
material to potential terrorists, and that Arabs are too dumb or assemble
such into mines that can kill millions. Slim hope.
Strict Universal Human rights enforcement is the ONLY answer.
--
Pastor Frank
Conservative observers state, that ever since the Hebrews came out of
the desert to kill "everything that breatheth" (Deuteronomy 20:16-17) Israel
was built on the bones of at least two million murdered former inhabitants.
In this latest colonial conquest, 418 Arab villages had been destroyed
by December 1948, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers
726,000 Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's
Foreign Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that
the number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews are Semites from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Arian Khazar converts to Judaism from Russia.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We, the undersigned want UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS instituted and
respected, and have the appalling death-toll of Zionist aggression,
oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle East declared a "Crime
against Humanity", which must be adjudicated. We want occupation and
confiscation of land made illegal, and the appalling conditions imposed on
occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their most ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other
human rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders
and perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging
or financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
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amigocabal
me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
Palestinians TODAY!
Deborah Sharavi
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>>people
>>is the resurgence of their oppression of other Semitic people, most
of
>>whom
>>are Islamic and many of whom reside in Canaan, the land we call
Israel or
>>Palestine.
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>Right you are. Help promote UNIVERSAL Human Rights.
Wrong you both are, as is typical with antisemites. As for promoting
UNIVERSAL Human Rights - if either of you were actually concerned with
human rights, which you are not, you would protest the massacre and
enslavement of 1.5 million Sudanese Xians, or you would protest the
atrocious human rights records of any Muslim state, or you would have
issued at least a squawk of protest over Jordan's massacre of 20,000
Pallies, or Kuwait's expulsion of half a million Pallies. But neither
of you care a rat's ass about any of that, because you haven't found a
way to blame any of it on Jews.
Deborah
FRANKIE LEE
The International Court of Justice,as far as I am concerned has lost every
creditability and soundness.
The defence Wall of Sharon.
There was no concerned for the Terrorists who infiltrated into Isreal,which
led to the construction of the walls in the first place.Such deliberate
injustice,bias against Isreal,its inadvertently purpose is to let the world
know that how truly these Judges and Legal Teams in the Hague were,pure
malevolent.
Long suspect that Anti-Christ would usurp the International Court of
Justice,now has become a reality,in my days.The child of Satan had already
manisfest himself/herself in the systems.
There was a complete anti-semitisms in the Hague,and yet the Idiots Lobbyish
in USA,who lobbied for Isreal,had the energies and the misguided views
shooting at the wrong target.They shoot at Mel's Gibson's movie.
The Fence of Isreal is a complete neccessities for the safety of both
parties,Palestinians and Isreal.I will forever never understand how human
beings could be so blind not to see the good it had done for the dividing
walls.
Any measures to prevent Terrorist attacks is of course unwelcome by the Evil
groups,and since they cried foul for not able to penetrate Isreal anymore;we
have sympathetic voices lending their ears to them.
It is clear to me that many prefer Terrorist attacks to increase in
Isreal;and since these Hague people have no stakes in Isreal,why care for
the safety of Human beings?They portray themselves as inhuman,a machine
being manipulated by Terrorist groups.They want the right minded souls to
see that they are the long foretold Anti-Christ 666,which is to come.
Very few Christians have discern this events.Thank God that Bush was not
taken in, to their schemes and design of things.
The American President is very important to Isreal survival;once they
carelessly got a nutty President in,so were Isreal being finished for
good.But seeing the Jews themselves who see Shining Knights as enemy;for
George Soros,a Jew hated Bush;what more can we state with the rest of nutty
Jews?
When the Film Passion of Christ contain no agendas of Anti-semitic and yet
the news kept harping it is controversy;to me there was an intent from the
Judas Iscariot to betray their own Jewish people,by hurting Mel's films.
If the Jews refused to see the light,who can?You have Soros,what more do you
need to see your own internal fighting against your own interest?
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Pastor Frank
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>
> I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what bothers
> me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
> Palestinians TODAY!
>
whom!!!! Don't dismiss Jesus like Jews do. They consider Him a fraud, for
suggesting, that we will be judged by how we treat others and that we should
therefore follow the golden rule. That rule raises not only snickers with
Jews, but also among Ziochristians and the Ziomedia.
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and
with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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Deborah Sharavi
>Yes but that's what they call "freedom", -the freedom to do what to
>whom!!!! Don't dismiss Jesus like Jews do. They consider Him a fraud,
for
>suggesting, that we will be judged by how we treat others and that we
should
>therefore follow the golden rule. That rule raises not only snickers
with
>Jews, but also among Ziochristians and the Ziomedia.
The so-called Golden Rule didn't originate with Jesus, moron, it's a
saying of Hillel:
"What is hateful to you, do not to your neighbor: that is the whole
Torah. The rest is commentary; now go and study."
- BT Shabbat 31a
>THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
>**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all
thy
>heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
>strength: this is the first commandment.
>**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy
neighbour
>as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
Neither is the "royal law" of Jesus, moron; they are from Deuteronomy
and Leviticus, and you snipped the quote from Mark:
Mark 12.28-29:
One of the scribes came near and heard them disputing with one
another, and seeing that he answered them well, he asked him, "Which
commandment is the first of all?"
Jesus answered, "The first is, "Hear, O Israel: the Lord our God, the
Lord is one;
Deuteronomy 6.4:
Shma Yisra'el Adonay Eloheynu Adonay Echad. Hear, Israel, the Lord our
God the Lord is One.
Mark 12.30:
you shall love the Lord your God with all your heart, and with all
your soul, and with all your mind, and with all your strength.'
Deuteronomy 6.5
Ve'ahavta et-Adonay Eloheycha bechol-levavcha uvechol-nafshecha
uvechol-me'odecha. Love God your Lord with all your heart, with all
your soul, and with all your might.
Mark 12.31:
The second is this, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself.' There
is no other commandment greater than these."
Leviticus 19.18:
Lo-tikom velo-titor et-beney amecha ve'ahavta lere'acha kamocha ani
Adonay. Do not take revenge nor bear a grudge against the children of
your people. You must love your neighbor as you love yourself. I am
God.
Mark 12.32-34
Then the scribe said to him, "You are right, Teacher; you have truly
said that "he is one, and besides him there is no other'; and "to love
him with all the heart, and with all the understanding, and with all
the strength,' and "to love one's neighbor as oneself,'葉his is much
more important than all whole burnt offerings and sacrifices."
When Jesus saw that he answered wisely, he said to him, "You are not
far from the kingdom of God." After that no one dared to ask him any
question.
>THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
>Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
men
>should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
See Shabbat 31a above.
Are antisemites like Pastor Frank congenitally stupid?
Deborah
Deborah Sharavi
But what their brother Arabs do to Palestinian Arabs doesn't bother
Alex a bit.
Treatment Frustrates Palestinian Refugees
By PAUL GARWOOD and MAGGIE MICHAEL
Associated Press
CAIRO, Egypt
As the foreign minister of Egypt, the largest Arab country, Ahmed
Maher might have expected a warmer welcome from Palestinians when he
joined their worshippers in Jerusalem.
But the scuffles that erupted at Al Aqsa Mosque last month, with
Islamic extremists yelling "You are collaborating with the killers of
Muslims," underscored a strong current of discontent among many
Palestinians toward Arab states.
The anger is focused chiefly on Egypt and Jordan for having signed
peace treaties with Israel, but it goes further, to the frustration of
having lived as second-class citizens in neighboring Middle Eastern
states for 55 years since fleeing their homes when Israel became a
state.
Arab states, which have fought four wars against Israel in the name of
Palestine, maintain that to grant them citizenship would be to give up
on their dream of returning to the homes they lost when the Jewish
state was created.
But to the Palestinians, the wars were fought as much out of
self-interest as concern for the Palestinians, that the verbal
championing of their cause is rhetoric to rally the Arab states' own
masses, and that it isn't matched by decent treatment of the refugees.
"There is always a political motive behind the Arab states' positions
toward the refugees in their countries," says Tayseer Nasrallah, who
heads the Palestinian Refugee Rights Committee in the West Bank, home
to 650,000 refugees. "They consider us an unstable element so they
always oppress the refugees and try to get rid of them."
Hundreds of thousands of 1948 refugees and their descendants are
crammed into impoverished and often violent camps, some of which have
grown into urban slums.
UNRWA, the U.N. Relief and Works Agency set up in 1948, has 4 million
refugees on its books in Syria, Lebanon, Jordan, the West Bank and
Gaza Strip, and many more are scattered farther afield in the Arab
world - 70,000 in Egypt, for instance.
Palestinians in Egypt suffer restrictions on employment, education and
owning property. When Egypt announced in September it would grant
nationality to children of Egyptian mothers married to foreigners, it
did not include Palestinians.
In Lebanon, nearly 400,000 Palestinians live in 12 refugee camps,
where crime is rife and clashes between rival Palestinian factions are
common. Palestinians cannot own property or get state health care.
According to Nasrallah, Lebanon bans refugees from 72 areas of
employment, including medicine and engineering.
Things are better for Jordan's 1.7 million Palestinians, who are
nearly one-third of the population and enjoy Jordanian citizenship.
But relations have a tumultuous history. A Palestinian assassinated
Jordan's king in 1951, and two decades later Jordan fought a war
against Yasser Arafat and his Palestine Liberation Organization. In
recent times the government has steadily moved to "Jordanize" jobs in
the army and other sensitive areas like state radio and television and
the Interior Ministry.
The result, say Palestinians, is that they are discriminated against
in getting such jobs, even though no law officially bans their
employment.
Awni Shatarat, who lives in the Baqaa Palestinian refugee camp, said,
"some Jordanians think that Jordan is not home for the Palestinians,
that we are only guests."
Syria, with a population of 18 million, is a strong verbal supporter
of the Palestinian cause, and refuses citizenship to its 410,000
Palestinian refugees.
Hisham Youssef, spokesman for the 22-nation Arab League, acknowledged
that Palestinians live "in very bad conditions," but said the policy
is meant "to preserve their Palestinian identity."
"If every Palestinian who sought refuge in a certain country was
integrated and accommodated into that country, there won't be any
reason for them to return to Palestine," he said.
The PLO tends to agree with that line, while adding its voice to
demands for better treatment of the refugees.
"Palestine is the national home for the Palestinian people wherever
they are now," Cabinet Minister Saeb Erekat, a West Bank Palestinian,
told the AP. How they achieve that right is a matter for negotiation
with Israel, he said, but added:
"We are against the settlement of the refugees in any country, but the
host countries should provide the refugees with a dignified living.
... The host countries should allow the refugees to work, to live and
to move in dignity until they achieve their right of return."
In el-Arish, an Egyptian town 25 miles from the Palestinian-controlled
Gaza Strip with its 900,000 U.N.-registered refugees, 35-year-old
Ahmed Mahmoud Zahar says he considers Egypt his home and has no desire
to return to his Palestinian father's birthplace.
Zahar was born in Egypt to an Egyptian mother, married an Egyptian and
has 10 children. Yet he and the children are Palestinians under
Egyptian law.
"We can't own a house, land or get a loan from the bank, despite the
fact that I was born here and have no idea what is Palestine," Zahar
told the AP.
"It is an evil hypocrisy," said prominent Palestinian writer Mureed
al-Barghouti, who lives in Cairo. "The language of the (Arab)
governments and media is in one direction and the real practices on
the ground are totally the opposite."
Al-Barghouti is married to an Egyptian but he and his Egyptian-born
son can't have Egyptian nationality.
The Arab media, particularly state-run newspapers, constantly denounce
Israel's treatment of the Palestinians, but the refugees say it
doesn't give them any concrete help.
"All the Arab countries want to keep this problem looking like an open
wound" to keep world attention focused on Israel's occupation of
Palestinian land, said Ana Liria-Franch, regional representative in
Cairo for the U.N. High Commissioner for Refugees.
Some Palestinians in Egypt have endured two bouts of exile. Libya
deported around 30,000 in 1995-96 because its leader, Moammar Gadhafi,
opposed peace accords signed between Israel and Arafat. Kuwait
expelled hundreds because Arafat sided with Saddam Hussein after the
1990 Iraqi invasion of Kuwait.
"Arab countries deal with Palestinian refugees as a political issue,"
said Oroub El-Abed, a Palestinian who researched the Kuwait expulsion.
"Any humanitarian solutions, in their point of view, will lead to
marginalizing the Palestinian cause."
Lebanon holds a grudge against its 10 percent Palestinian minority for
taking sides in the country's devastating 1975-90 civil war between
Muslims and Christians. Most Palestinians are Muslim, so Palestinians
are refused legal status so as not to upset the country's delicate
religious balance.
"For 55 years now, Palestinian refugees in Lebanon have been oppressed
and robbed of their most basic civil rights," said Ibrahim al-Shayeb,
who lives in the Ein el-Hilweh refugee camp - Lebanon's largest - and
works for the PLO's media office.
He complained that the Palestinians' degrading life in Lebanon "causes
extremist and fanatical ideas to grow and take root."
Associated Press writers Jamal Halaby in Amman, Zeina Karam in Beirut
and Laurie Copans in Jerusalem contributed to this report.
- Los Angeles Times, January 4, 2004
Deborah
Pastor Frank
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>
> You wrote well Deborah.
> The International Court of Justice,as far as I am concerned has lost every
> creditability and soundness.
> The defence Wall of Sharon.
> There was no concerned for the Terrorists who infiltrated into
Isreal,which
> led to the construction of the walls in the first place.Such deliberate
> injustice,bias against Isreal,its inadvertently purpose is to let the
world
> know that how truly these Judges and Legal Teams in the Hague were,pure
> malevolent.
> Long suspect that Anti-Christ would usurp the International Court of
> Justice,now has become a reality,in my days.The child of Satan had already
> manisfest himself/herself in the systems.
> There was a complete anti-semitisms in the Hague,and yet the Idiots
Lobbyish
> in USA,who lobbied for Isreal,had the energies and the misguided views
> shooting at the wrong target.They shoot at Mel's Gibson's movie.
> The Fence of Isreal is a complete neccessities for the safety of both
> parties,Palestinians and Isreal.I will forever never understand how human
> beings could be so blind not to see the good it had done for the dividing
> walls.
>
Israel, and they are just being kind letting Arabs live on some of it, till
they need it themselves for building high walls etc.
I think they should build a wall around your place, before you start
another crusade or something. Blessed are the peacemakers FRANKIE, but so
far you never yet advocated peace, but always looked for a fight, didn't
you.
Let the Jews build their wall on land they obtained legally and for
consideration, as is the custom in civilized countries. Be aware, that you
will experience exactly the same treatment you advocate upon those hapless
Palestinians who lose their lives, land and freedom. That is the promise of
our Lord Jesus Christ. See below
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and
with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
THE ROYAL LAW OF CHRIST
**Jesus in Mk 12:30: And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy
heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind, and with all thy
strength: this is the first commandment.
**31: And the second is alike, namely this: Thou shalt love thy neighbour
as thyself. There is none other commandment greater than these.
**Jesus in Mat 22:40 "All the Law and the Prophets hang on these two
commandments."
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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> >
> > I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what
bothers
> > me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
> > Palestinians TODAY!
> >
> Yes but that's what they call "freedom", -the freedom to do what to
> whom!!!! Don't dismiss Jesus like Jews do. They consider Him a fraud, for
> suggesting, that we will be judged by how we treat others and that we
should
> therefore follow the golden rule. That rule raises not only snickers with
> Jews, but also among Ziochristians and the Ziomedia.
> --
> Pastor Frank
Frank, please be honest that you are a pedophile homosexual before acting
like a "gawd".
It's only a matter of days before you will be arrested for molesting those 3
boys.
Yes, I have turned your ass in!
Down you go!
FRANKIE LEE
showed more kindness to them than their so-called brothers of same religion.
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FRANKIE LEE
in your misguided views.
Isreal is already occupying the Land.Why sound out as though that Isreal is
going to occupy the land?As an occupier of the land,it is the government's
right to build defence.
Isreal has made the most intelligent and most wise decision to build the
fences warding the Terrorists,and any man would have known it will
definitely deter Terrorists.
For the first time in History,intellectuals and judges became insane and
really crazy in ruling disfavour on Isreal for self defence by the walls.The
Walls work to the disadvantage of terrorists,and it is undisputable.
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Pastor Frank
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> >
> >Yes but that's what they call "freedom", -the freedom to do what to
> >whom!!!! Don't dismiss Jesus like Jews do. They consider Him a fraud,
> for
> >suggesting, that we will be judged by how we treat others and that we
> should
> >therefore follow the golden rule. That rule raises not only snickers
> with
> >Jews, but also among Ziochristians and the Ziomedia.
>
> The so-called Golden Rule didn't originate with Jesus, moron, it's a
> saying of Hillel:
> "What is hateful to you, do not to your neighbor: that is the whole
> Torah. The rest is commentary; now go and study."
> - BT Shabbat 31a
>
responsible for the various repugnant addendums Jews add, such as:...and
that's why you will never see ME give unto charity, or help anyone else.
Christ is about DOING the right thing, not about NOT doing the wrong
thing. See below
--
Pastor Frank
THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that men
should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
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>
> Given the plight of Palestinians,it seem to me that Isreal,the Jews had
> showed more kindness to them than their so-called brothers of same
religion.
>
your "kindness" towards her. FRANKIE, you know and fear the judgment of
Christ, which will be according to the golden Rule without caveats, like
i.e. "but God commanded to kill them all to possess their land".
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
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>
> I thought you have grown up,and become wiser,but you just stubbornly
remain
> in your misguided views.
> Isreal is already occupying the Land.Why sound out as though that Isreal
is
> going to occupy the land?As an occupier of the land,it is the government's
> right to build defence.
>
CONSIDERATION" like we all are required to obtain land in our civilized
society. Not mere "occupied" by force of arms.
Your total disregard for the Royal Law and Golden Rule of Christ as well
as International Law, Human Rights, and numerous ignored United Nations
Resolutions, will condemn you to the same treatment you feel is appropriate
for Palestinian natives. You WILL be staring at a 20 foot high wall
surrounding you in hell.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
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> anyone else. Christ is about DOING the right thing, not about NOT
> doing the wrong thing. See below
What church are you supposedly the Pastor of?
Stromfront ,since you post links to them?
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> Given the plight of Palestinians,it seem to me that Isreal,the Jews
> had showed more kindness to them than their so-called brothers of
> same religion.
You are correct. Most countries in the Arab world hate the Palestinians,
because they cause trouble wherever they go, both political and
social.Hardly surprising ,because they have entered many Arab States and
tried to dislodge their governments or organised terrorist groups that
operated from there.. Jordan and Lebanon are good examples.
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> For the first time in History,intellectuals and judges became insane
> and really crazy in ruling disfavour on Isreal for self defence by
> the walls.The Walls work to the disadvantage of terrorists,and it is
> undisputable.
AFAIK there hasn't been a judgement. The World Court said it could take
months.I follow the news closely ,so I don't think I could have missed a
ruling against Israel.Links please.............
Tilly
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You WILL be staring
> at a 20 foot high wall surrounding you in hell.
What is hell?
No point threatening Jews with hell, because in Judaism there is no hell.
I presume you frighten children by telling them if they are naughty they
will go to hell? Jeez, ...you think fear and control tactics like that have
any effect ,except to give children nightmares and making them fearful
about making choices? <sigh>
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> The so-called Golden Rule didn't originate with Jesus, moron, it's a
> saying of Hillel:
>
> "What is hateful to you, do not to your neighbor: that is the whole
> Torah. The rest is commentary; now go and study."
> - BT Shabbat 31a
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> >THE GOLDEN RULE OF CHRIST
> >Jesus in Matt. 7:12: "Therefore all things whatsoever ye would that
> men
> >should do to you, do ye even so to them...."
>
> See Shabbat 31a above.
>
"Do to no one what you would not want done to you."
Tobit 4:16
Catholics consider Tobit part of the OT. Tobit is not accepted as part
of the Hebrew Bible. Protestants regard it as Apocrypha. However, it
was written about the 4th or 5th century BCE. Thus it is another
indication that Hillel's formulation long antedates Christianity.
> Are antisemites like Pastor Frank congenitally stupid?
Yes. Is Pastor Frank a disciple of TorresD (who probably thinks Tobit
was a member of the Stern Gang) or vice versa?
>
> Deborah
ys
Leviticus 19,18. It is with from this this law that all others fashioned
themselves.
YS
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> >"Billy Lee Harman" <hi....@verizon.net> wrote in message
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> >>
> >>The reason for the resurgence of feelings against Jewish
> >>people
> >>is the resurgence of their oppression of other Semitic people, most
> >>of whom
> >>are Islamic and many of whom reside in Canaan, the land we call
> >>Israel or Palestine.
> >
> >Right you are. Help promote UNIVERSAL Human Rights.
>
> Wrong you both are, as is typical with antisemites. As for promoting
> UNIVERSAL Human Rights - if either of you were actually concerned with
> human rights, which you are not, you would protest the massacre and
> enslavement of 1.5 million Sudanese Xians, or you would protest the
> atrocious human rights records of any Muslim state, or you would have
> issued at least a squawk of protest over Jordan's massacre of 20,000
> Pallies, or Kuwait's expulsion of half a million Pallies. But neither
> of you care a rat's ass about any of that, because you haven't found a
> way to blame any of it on Jews.
> Deborah
>
should be allowed to keep oppressing our fellow Semites without anyone
criticizing us", or are you protesting Human Rights offences by all,
including Israel? "Anti-Semites" indeed!!!!!!!
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >
> > anyone else. Christ is about DOING the right thing, not about NOT
> > doing the wrong thing. See below
>
> What church are you supposedly the Pastor of?
> Stromfront ,since you post links to them?
> Tilly
>
to Pastor Frank c/o Broomleigh Baptist Church.
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> FRANKIE LEE wrote:
> >
> > Given the plight of Palestinians,it seem to me that Isreal,the Jews
> > had showed more kindness to them than their so-called brothers of
> > same religion.
>
> You are correct. Most countries in the Arab world hate the Palestinians,
> because they cause trouble wherever they go, both political and
> social.Hardly surprising ,because they have entered many Arab States and
> tried to dislodge their governments or organised terrorist groups that
> operated from there.. Jordan and Lebanon are good examples.
> Tilly
>
expelled, occupied and jailed, like the American Indians, who are happy to
be allowed to live on welfare in Rockpile Reservations of the Arizona
desert. Ungrateful wretches, aren't they?
--
Pastor Frank
Conservative observers state, that ever since the Hebrews came out of
the desert to kill "everything that breatheth" (Deuteronomy 20:16-17) Israel
was built on the bones of at least two million murdered former inhabitants.
In this latest colonial conquest, 418 Arab villages had been destroyed
by December 1948, and the United Nations Relief and Works Agency registers
726,000 Palestinian refugees. Walter Eytan, Director-General of Israel's
Foreign Ministry, accepts this figure as meticulous, and even suggests that
the number was closer to 800,000. In Lydda alone Zionist terrorists murdered
50,000 Palestinians, men, women and children, both Muslim and Christian.
(See: The Birth of the Palestinian Refugee Problem, 1947-1949. by Benny
Morris: ISBN # 0-521-33028-9)
Only about 5 percent of the present day Jews are Semites from Palestine,
whereas 95 percent are Arian Khazar converts to Judaism from Russia.
"...I know the blasphemy of them WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS,
and are not, BUT ARE THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN." (Revelation
2:9, 3:9)
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> Pastor Frank wrote:
> >
> You WILL be staring
> > at a 20 foot high wall surrounding you in hell.
>
> What is hell?
> No point threatening Jews with hell, because in Judaism there is no hell.
> I presume you frighten children by telling them if they are naughty they
> will go to hell? Jeez, ...you think fear and control tactics like that
have
> any effect ,except to give children nightmares and making them fearful
> about making choices? <sigh>
>
way. There is no room in FRANKIE's belief system for the 10 commandments
forbidding coveting your neighbour's property and killing innocents to get
it. Nor does FRANKIE believe in the Royal Law and the Golden Rule of Christ.
He never tires of justifying the obscenity below.
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
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> "Tilly" <Brig...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>> Pastor Frank wrote:
>>>
>> You WILL be staring
>>> at a 20 foot high wall surrounding you in hell.
>>
>> What is hell?
>> No point threatening Jews with hell, because in Judaism there is no
>> hell. I presume you frighten children by telling them if they are
>> naughty they will go to hell? Jeez, ...you think fear and control
>> tactics like that have any effect ,except to give children
>> nightmares and making them fearful about making choices? <sigh>
>>
> FRANKIE tells us he is a Christian, but his beliefs are Judaism
> all the way. There is no room in FRANKIE's belief system for the 10
> commandments forbidding coveting your neighbour's property and
> killing innocents to get it. Nor does FRANKIE believe in the Royal
> Law and the Golden Rule of Christ. He never tires of justifying the
> obscenity below.
Relevance ?
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> me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
> Palestinians TODAY!<
And who did the "Palestinians" steal the land from? The Romans maybe?
Aaron
Of course the Jews did not execute Jesus; the ROMANS executed Him for
being King of Israel. The sign on the cross was the list of charges
that He was convicted of "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
Palestinians murder, torture pillage and invade Israel, but the Jews
do not punish these invaders as they should. Palestinians are
stealing Israeli land and the Anti-Semitic (Anti-Christian) UN
supports this because Europe wants oil and the UN has no sense of
morality.
not_over_the_hill
What is it with the jews? Why don't they admit that they arrested,
had their kangaroo trial, and then took Jesus to Pilate where they
demanded that he kill Jesus? What are they afraid of? Do they
believe that Christians will want to kill living jews for what their
ancestors did 2,000 years ago?
Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
The denials only make jews look stupid.
Sheldon Liberman
not_over_the_hill wrote:
> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>
>
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:45:40 GMT, "amigocabal"
>><pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what bothers
>>>me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
>>>Palestinians TODAY!
>>
>>Of course the Jews did not execute Jesus; the ROMANS executed Him for
>>being King of Israel. The sign on the cross was the list of charges
>>that He was convicted of "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
>>
>>Palestinians murder, torture pillage and invade Israel, but the Jews
>>do not punish these invaders as they should. Palestinians are
>>stealing Israeli land and the Anti-Semitic (Anti-Christian) UN
>>supports this because Europe wants oil and the UN has no sense of
>>morality.
>>
>
>
> What is it with the jews? Why don't they admit that they arrested,
> had their kangaroo trial, and then took Jesus to Pilate where they
> demanded that he kill Jesus? What are they afraid of? Do they
> believe that Christians will want to kill living jews for what their
> ancestors did 2,000 years ago?
Yes, people hold Jews responsible for allegedly took place 2000 years.
Did you miss the memo?
>
> Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
> truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
> agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
> him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
> killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
Jewish theologians don't agree. Why is their opinion less valid that
your theologians?
Most Muslims, and many Christians, think that the Protocols of the
Elderes Zion are true, and many believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by
Jews, and that Jews use the blood of children in their Passover matzah.
G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
much more, will become established fact.
>
> The denials only make jews look stupid.
There are many people who would like to be as "stupid" as the Jews. Why
don't just believe what you like and leave the rest of us to do
likewise, lest you yourself project yourself as being stupid(er).
>
Pastor Frank
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and for consideration, certainly not by force of arms without consideration.
Or do people "steal" their land where you hail from ?
--
Pastor Frank
PETITION TO WORLD LEADERS
We CHRISTIANS FOR UNIVERSAL HUMAN RIGHTS seek to have
human rights made mandatory everywhere. Presently we want Zionist
aggression, oppression, occupation and colonialism in the Middle East
declared a "Crime against Humanity", which must be adjudicated.
We want occupation and confiscation of land made illegal, and the
appalling conditions imposed on occupied civilian populations lifted.
We want an International Court with power to resolve territorial
disputes established NOW, so that the dispossessed and ethnically
cleansed can sue for redress, instead of having to draw scant
attention to their plight by needing to blow themselves up in the
presence of their most ruthless enemies.
Any government conducting or supporting colonialism or other human
rights abuses, must be declared a rogue state and their leaders and
perpetrators must face criminal charges. Supporting, encouraging or
financing human and civil rights abusers must be considered a hate crime.
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>
>
>not_over_the_hill wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:45:40 GMT, "amigocabal"
>>><pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what bothers
>>>>me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
>>>>Palestinians TODAY!
>>>
>>>Of course the Jews did not execute Jesus; the ROMANS executed Him for
>>>being King of Israel. The sign on the cross was the list of charges
>>>that He was convicted of "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
>>>
>>>Palestinians murder, torture pillage and invade Israel, but the Jews
>>>do not punish these invaders as they should. Palestinians are
>>>stealing Israeli land and the Anti-Semitic (Anti-Christian) UN
>>>supports this because Europe wants oil and the UN has no sense of
>>>morality.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What is it with the jews? Why don't they admit that they arrested,
>> had their kangaroo trial, and then took Jesus to Pilate where they
>> demanded that he kill Jesus? What are they afraid of? Do they
>> believe that Christians will want to kill living jews for what their
>> ancestors did 2,000 years ago?
>
>Yes, people hold Jews responsible for allegedly took place 2000 years.
>Did you miss the memo?
>
I personally have never known a Christian who holds a grudge
against any living jew today for what happened two thousand
years ago. There is a dual application in the Bible for those
events depicted by the "passion". NEVER trust your leaders
cart blanche.
The jews did and look what it has cost them.....Everlasting life.
Who had the most to lose by accepting Christ as the Messiah?
It was the high ranking priests who live like kings. They did not
want to give that up. They were happy with their lives.
(BTW, there.... same thing applies to Christian leaders also. Be
careful to accept every thing that they teach too.)
>>
>> Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
>> truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
>> agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
>> him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
>> killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
>
>Jewish theologians don't agree. Why is their opinion less valid that
>your theologians?
Jewish theologians have little basis for their opinions. Naturally,
if one is not a jew, they have the option to throw out the Gospels.
But, the Gospels are very clear as to what transpired.
>Most Muslims, and many Christians, think that the Protocols of the
>Elderes Zion are true, and many believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by
>Jews, and that Jews use the blood of children in their Passover matzah.
>
>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
>much more, will become established fact.
>
>>
>> The denials only make jews look stupid.
>
>There are many people who would like to be as "stupid" as the Jews. Why
>don't just believe what you like and leave the rest of us to do
>likewise, lest you yourself project yourself as being stupid(er).
Since my grandfather was a jew, I guess I have too much empathy for
jews and hate to see them make asses out of themselves.
Sheldon Liberman
Suggest you view: http://www.aish.com/seminars/whythejews/index.htm
>
> The jews did and look what it has cost them.....Everlasting life.
> Who had the most to lose by accepting Christ as the Messiah?
> It was the high ranking priests who live like kings. They did not
> want to give that up. They were happy with their lives.
You seem to speak from a no-lose position. If the Jews are wrong, then
the worst they can be accused of is an error in judgment, not aposty. On
the other hand,if the Jews are right, you still get your eternal reward
because all the Jews require of the non-Jews is that they believe in G-d
and obey they other six Noahide laws. So who had the most to lose?
As for the Priests--and, in the modern era, that would include
myself--your description of their lifestyle is as fictitious as the rest
of your claims. They were involved in the communal sacrifices, and spent
a good part of the day drenched in blood which they would sprinkle on
the altar. They would also clean out the alter, assisted ably by the
members of the tribe of Levi.
>
> (BTW, there.... same thing applies to Christian leaders also. Be
> careful to accept every thing that they teach too.)
>
>
>>>Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
>>>truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
>>>agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
>>>him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
>>>killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
>>
>>Jewish theologians don't agree. Why is their opinion less valid that
>>your theologians?
>
>
> Jewish theologians have little basis for their opinions. Naturally,
> if one is not a jew, they have the option to throw out the Gospels.
> But, the Gospels are very clear as to what transpired.
Jewish theologians have the benefits of millions of combine hours of
indepth study into the Torah, both written and Oral. And their teachings
are well supported by the same documents that the gospels borrow from.
As for the gospels, the Jews point out why they can not have been
historically accurate. Check out, for instance:
http://www.jewsforjudaism.com .
>
>
>
>>Most Muslims, and many Christians, think that the Protocols of the
>>Elderes Zion are true, and many believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by
>>Jews, and that Jews use the blood of children in their Passover matzah.
>>
>>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
>>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
>>much more, will become established fact.
>>
>>
>>>The denials only make jews look stupid.
>>
>>There are many people who would like to be as "stupid" as the Jews. Why
>>don't just believe what you like and leave the rest of us to do
>>likewise, lest you yourself project yourself as being stupid(er).
>
>
> Since my grandfather was a jew, I guess I have too much empathy for
> jews and hate to see them make asses out of themselves.
>
Sorry, that's just a softened-up version of, "believe what i believe or
suffer the consequences", and forms the basis for Crusades,
Inquisitions, Jihads, and any other form of horror that man visits upon
himself. Look what happened today in Iraq to Muslims trying to observe a
n Islam ritual.
Pastor Frank
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being made refugees after being evicted from their homes, now Aaron tell us
it's the other way around, Jews are being invaded, occupied, killed,
evicted, imprisoned and persecuted, and are huddled in miserable shanties in
refugee camps which Palestinians rocket and bulldoze periodically. You just
can't trust the news these days, can you?
--
Pastor Frank
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
http://www.jerusalemites.org/crimes/destroyed_villages/list.htm
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former inhabitants of the "promised land' the invading ancient Hebrews
killed. Puts a whole new slant on Christ's assertion, that you will be
treated as you treat others. Except, that Germans are sorry, ashamed and
repentant of how they treated Jews, whereas Jews are still proud and
self-justified on how they treated those natives below. "Save nothing alive
that breathes" Are these humans or killing machines?
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
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> "JGB" <jga...@netzero.com> wrote in message
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> > "amigocabal" <pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote in message
> news:<o9r%b.21601$W74....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net>...
> > >
> > > I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what
> bothers
> > > me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
> > > Palestinians TODAY!<
> >
> > And who did the "Palestinians" steal the land from? The Romans maybe?
> The probably got their land the same way you and I got our land,<
I don't own any land. And Jews in Eastern Europe had to lease their land,
as Jews in most parts of Europe were not allowed to own land. They had
to lease it. I have no interest in owning land either.
> legally<
From whom?
> and for consideration, certainly not by force of arms without consideration.
> Or do people "steal" their land where you hail from ?<
WHere I hail from? I hail from a GErman DP camp. But in the country
we were allowed into, the United States, thank God, most land was acquired from
the Indians by dispossessing them and giving them, or selling them
cheap, to immigrants from England, Ireland, Scotland, etc. I happen
to live in New York, much of which was indeed purchased from the Indians
by the Dutch.
But getting back to "Palestine" the land was taken away from Jews by
Romans and other gentiles who came into the land. Okay, you can argue
that the land belonged to previous Canaanite groups, and Hittites, etc.,
and the Hebrews took those lands at the behest of God. But after that,
it was the Jews who were the owners of the land, albeit, by Biblical
law, all land had to be returned to its original owner every Jubilee
year. That is, after 50 years. So in a sense, virtually all Jews in
Israel were actually leasing their lands for half a century, or a century
from the original tribal owners who came in from the time of Joshua
onwards. And in fact, that is still the case in Israel where most Jews
lease the land their property sits on.
But I am not aware of anything in the Quran that gives Muslims or Arabs
the right to our land, the way the Bible says for the Jews. Okay, they
conquered it and settled it, and say it is theirs, but the INdians even
in the USA today still feel they were cheated out of their lands. But they
are too few to get it back. The Jews were finally numerous enough to
reclaim our land.
grateful
> not_over_the_hill wrote:
> > On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
> that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
> much more, will become established fact.
Professor Majid Khadduri wrote in "War and Peace in the Law of
Islam, that the Islamic state seeks to "establish Islam as the
dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. And that
the Islamic state refuses "to recognize the coexistence of non-
Moslem communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities."
Unbelievers can exist as dhimmi submitting to the rule of
Moslems and they can pay a poll tax to the Islamic state.
But in time they would probably force unbelievers to "convert."
The late Ayatollah Khomeini said, "the purest joy in Islam is
to kill and be killed for Allah."
He also said, "The governments of the world should know that
Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the
countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran
will prevail all over the world."
Moslems have vowed to kill the Saturday people, and then
they will kill the Sunday people. Budhists, Krishnas, atheists
and all others are in their crosshairs too.
Western people don't understand that where so many Christians
and Jews have become lukewarm with regard to their respective
religions, and that as we live in secularized nations in
which we find so much hostility to religion, Moslems deeply
entrenched in our societies are ever zealous for Allah and
Islam, and for carrying out their mission to take the world
for Allah. Their allegiance is not to nations, but to Islam.
I have wondered if God will use the Moslems to chastize the
apostate western nations and to purge his Church. Europe
was once the center of Christian civilization but most have
turned their backs on God. There's a price to be paid for
apostasy.
Sheldon Liberman
grateful wrote:
> Sheldon Liberman <sheldon....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40448486...@sympatico.ca>...
>
>>not_over_the_hill wrote:
>>
>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>
>>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
>>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
>>much more, will become established fact.
>
>
> Professor Majid Khadduri wrote in "War and Peace in the Law of
> Islam, that the Islamic state seeks to "establish Islam as the
> dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. And that
> the Islamic state refuses "to recognize the coexistence of non-
> Moslem communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities."
Or do they recognize them only long enough to destroy their edifices of
wealth and power?
> Unbelievers can exist as dhimmi submitting to the rule of
> Moslems and they can pay a poll tax to the Islamic state.
> But in time they would probably force unbelievers to "convert."
>
> The late Ayatollah Khomeini said, "the purest joy in Islam is
> to kill and be killed for Allah."
Would it not then follow from that that if we kill any, they should
thank us for it?
>
> He also said, "The governments of the world should know that
> Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the
> countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran
> will prevail all over the world."
>
> Moslems have vowed to kill the Saturday people, and then
> they will kill the Sunday people. Budhists, Krishnas, atheists
> and all others are in their crosshairs too.
...and yet somehow the Saturday people get criticized by the Sunday
people, as well as the rest of the fight card, for fighting the fight
and sacrificing their own so that they won't have to.
>
> Western people don't understand that where so many Christians
> and Jews have become lukewarm with regard to their respective
> religions, and that as we live in secularized nations in
> which we find so much hostility to religion, Moslems deeply
> entrenched in our societies are ever zealous for Allah and
> Islam, and for carrying out their mission to take the world
> for Allah. Their allegiance is not to nations, but to Islam.
>
I think that there's more to it than that. Most people who renounce
religion turn towards the temptations of the hedonistic societies that
surround them.
> I have wondered if God will use the Moslems to chastize the
> apostate western nations and to purge his Church. Europe
> was once the center of Christian civilization but most have
> turned their backs on God. There's a price to be paid for
> apostasy.
Well, I don't agree withthe church reference, but I see where you're
coming from. In truth, there is much to respect about Islam, in it's
purest form. I think the Islamists put so much of a spin on the Qu'ran
that they've forced it into reverse.
Pastor Frank
repent of their transgression against God's 10 commandments, especially the
one about coveting thy neighbour's property and killing "all that breathes"
to "occupy the land" and "reap where they have not sown". They must repent
of their obscene holocausts of the natives of the "promised land", as the
Germans regret, are ashamed and mortified concerning their holocaust of the
Jews.
Christ warns us, that we will experience the same actions in our own
lives, which we apportion others, be they good or bad. The number of
innocent Jews killed by Germans just about equal the number of innocents the
ancient Hebrews slew. See below
--
Pastor Frank
(Holocaust of the entire native population of "the promised land" and
the continuing colonial brutality against Palestinian natives)
Deuteronomy 20:16-17 But of the cities of these people, which the Lord
thy God doth give thee for an inheritance, thou shalt save alive nothing
that breatheth. But thou shalt utterly destroy them; the Hittites, and the
Amorites, the Canaanites, and the Perizzites, the Hivites, and the Jebusites
as the Lord thy God has commanded thee."
Moses in Numbers 31:17-18 Now therefore kill every male among the
little ones, and kill every woman, that hath known man by lying with him.
But all the female children, that have not known man by lying with him,
keep alive for yourself.
Joshua 10:40 - BBE So Joshua struck all the land, the hill-country, and
the South, and the lowland, and the slopes, and all their kings: he left
none remaining, but he utterly destroyed all that breathed, as God, the God
of Israel, commanded."
1 Samuel 15:3 - BBE Now go and strike Amalek, and utterly destroy all
that they have, and don't spare them; but kill both man and woman, infant
and suckling, ox and sheep, camel and donkey."
Isaiah 13:16 - BBE Their infants also will be dashed in pieces before
their eyes. Their houses will be ransacked, and their wives raped."
Hosea 13:16 - BBE Samaria will bear her guilt; For she has rebelled
against her God. They will fall by the sword. Their infants will be dashed
in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open."
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> grateful wrote:
> > Sheldon Liberman <sheldon....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40448486...@sympatico.ca>...
> >
> >>not_over_the_hill wrote:
> >>
> >>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>
> >>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
> >>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
> >>much more, will become established fact.
> >
> >
> > Professor Majid Khadduri wrote in "War and Peace in the Law of
> > Islam, that the Islamic state seeks to "establish Islam as the
> > dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. And that
> > the Islamic state refuses "to recognize the coexistence of non-
> > Moslem communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities."
>
> Or do they recognize them only long enough to destroy their edifices of
> wealth and power?
My understanding is that most who live in other nations enjoy
the benefits they derive from the host country while working
toward undermining and destroying same.
>
> > Unbelievers can exist as dhimmi submitting to the rule of
> > Moslems and they can pay a poll tax to the Islamic state.
> > But in time they would probably force unbelievers to "convert."
> >
> > The late Ayatollah Khomeini said, "the purest joy in Islam is
> > to kill and be killed for Allah."
>
> Would it not then follow from that that if we kill any, they should
> thank us for it?
They probably don't see it quite that way.
>
> >
> > He also said, "The governments of the world should know that
> > Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the
> > countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran
> > will prevail all over the world."
> >
> > Moslems have vowed to kill the Saturday people, and then
> > they will kill the Sunday people. Budhists, Krishnas, atheists
> > and all others are in their crosshairs too.
>
> ...and yet somehow the Saturday people get criticized by the Sunday
> people, as well as the rest of the fight card, for fighting the fight
> and sacrificing their own so that they won't have to.
Many Sunday people are deceived by the one thing Israel has not
been very successful at defeating and that is Hasbara. Though
the Moslems have not been able to defeat Israel militarily,
they have been very successful with their Arab propaganda.
And with the help of western publishers they have been able
to revise history in the Middle East.
There are Sunday people who are squarely in Israel's corner.
>
> >
> > Western people don't understand that where so many Christians
> > and Jews have become lukewarm with regard to their respective
> > religions, and that as we live in secularized nations in
> > which we find so much hostility to religion, Moslems deeply
> > entrenched in our societies are ever zealous for Allah and
> > Islam, and for carrying out their mission to take the world
> > for Allah. Their allegiance is not to nations, but to Islam.
> >
>
> I think that there's more to it than that. Most people who renounce
> religion turn towards the temptations of the hedonistic societies that
> surround them.
Zealous Islamicists can whip the Moslems into a frenzy.
>
> > I have wondered if God will use the Moslems to chastize the
> > apostate western nations and to purge his Church. Europe
> > was once the center of Christian civilization but most have
> > turned their backs on God. There's a price to be paid for
> > apostasy.
>
> Well, I don't agree withthe church reference, but I see where you're
> coming from. In truth, there is much to respect about Islam, in it's
> purest form. I think the Islamists put so much of a spin on the Qu'ran
> that they've forced it into reverse.
War with the Jews began with Mohammed in the 7th century
when they refused to convert to Islam. It's considered a
religious obligation and a divine duty to kill the Jews.
Arab faces are blackened with shame because of Israel's
military victories over them, especially the victory in
1948, when 18,000 Jews, thousands without rifles, defeated
seven Arab nations trained and equipped by the British.
The homeland of Islam is the Middle East which they
consider Allan land, and you have successfully estab-
lished a non-Islamic state and religion in its heart.
This is a great shame to them, and there will be no
peace as a consequence.
Clifton Womack
tribe, and tongue. This includes, Muslims, Jews, people from false
religions. A certain number, from all these groups, will have their
sins, washed by the blood of Jesus. God according to His will, at a time
appointed by Him, will cause these things to come about.
Pastor Frank
penny goes to compensate dispossessed Palestinians. Not only that, but even
taxes raised in occupied areas are withheld.
In every half way civilized country of the world, even squatters have
squatters' rights, meaning, that after 20 years of unchallenged settlement
of land they can assert ownership rights, and MUST be compensated when
required to move. What more after 2000 years?
Lacking compensation, Jews will NEVER possess confiscated land
unchallenged, and eventually those who have nothing to loose but their
miserable lives and fear no retaliation, will be able to plant nuclear mines
under the asses of their thieving enemies and blow them up. That is the
Biblical prophesy, which mentions great heat more than once.
To lift that curse, Jews should do for Palestinians, what Germany did
for Jews: -Repent and invite dispossessed survivors to return home to their
property or be compensated at market value. The alternative will be be the
Apocalypse. See below
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PROPHETIC APOCALYPSE, (The N-U-C-L-E-A-R consequence of the abomination
above and others like it, employing great noise and heat that can melt
elements, scorch people and destroy the "works of man" on a massive scale)
2Pt:3:10: But the day of the Lord will come as a thief in the night; in
the which the heavens shall pass away with a great noise, and the elements
shall melt with fervent heat, the earth also and the works that are therein
shall be burned up.
2Pt:3:12: Looking for and hasting unto the coming of the day of God,
wherein the heavens being on fire shall be dissolved, and the elements shall
melt with fervent heat?
Jesus in Matt. 24:16: Then let them which be in Judea flee into the
mountains:
17: Let him which is on the housetop not come down to take any thing out
of his house:
18: Neither let him which is in the field return back to take his clothes.
19: And woe unto them that are with child, and to them that give suck in
those days!
20: But pray ye that your flight be not in the winter, neither on the
sabbath day:
21: For then shall be great tribulation, such as was not since the beginning
of the world to this time, no, nor ever shall be.
22: And except those days should be shortened, there should no flesh be
saved: but for the elect's sake those days shall be shortened.
Jesus in Lk:23:30: Then shall they begin to say to the mountains, Fall on
us; and to the hills, Cover us.
Rv:16:9: And men were scorched with great heat, and blasphemed the name
of God, which hath power over these plagues: and they repented not to give
him glory.
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and without allowing refugees to return home, as per international law and
numerous United Nations resolutions, will be the cause to unite Muslims. The
divergence of Sunnis and Shiites will cease and eventually Muslims will
succeed in employing nuclear mines against their enemies, blowing up our
cities. As our massive retaliation will poison our own environment as well,
It will herald the end of the world, the arrival of the Apocalypse. See
below.
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Sheldon Liberman
No, it goes towards American-made defensive weapons necessited by Arab
agression. Money meant for Palestinian relief ends up in Arafat's Swiss
bank account.
> In every half way civilized country of the world, even squatters have
> squatters' rights, meaning, that after 20 years of unchallenged settlement
> of land they can assert ownership rights, and MUST be compensated when
> required to move. What more after 2000 years?
Where's Jewish compensation for the land and property stolen from Jews
by their Arab hosts, following Israeli independence?
> Lacking compensation, Jews will NEVER possess confiscated land
> unchallenged, and eventually those who have nothing to loose but their
> miserable lives and fear no retaliation, will be able to plant nuclear mines
> under the asses of their thieving enemies and blow them up. That is the
> Biblical prophesy, which mentions great heat more than once.
You have absolutely no idea of what Biblical prophesy means, as I have
proven time and again to you. You refuse to learn. Stew in your ignorance.
> To lift that curse, Jews should do for Palestinians, what Germany did
> for Jews: -Repent and invite dispossessed survivors to return home to their
> property or be compensated at market value. The alternative will be be the
> Apocalypse. See below
Nothing down here, and obviously, nothing up there.
Sheldon Liberman
grateful wrote:
> Sheldon Liberman <sheldon....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40454A08...@sympatico.ca>...
>
>>grateful wrote:
>>
>>>Sheldon Liberman <sheldon....@sympatico.ca> wrote in message news:<40448486...@sympatico.ca>...
>>>
>>>
>>>>not_over_the_hill wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
>>>>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
>>>>much more, will become established fact.
>>>
>>>
>>>Professor Majid Khadduri wrote in "War and Peace in the Law of
>>>Islam, that the Islamic state seeks to "establish Islam as the
>>>dominant reigning ideology over the entire world. And that
>>>the Islamic state refuses "to recognize the coexistence of non-
>>>Moslem communities, except perhaps as subordinate entities."
>>
>>Or do they recognize them only long enough to destroy their edifices of
>>wealth and power?
>
>
> My understanding is that most who live in other nations enjoy
> the benefits they derive from the host country while working
> toward undermining and destroying same.
>
That's what I was getting at.
>>>Unbelievers can exist as dhimmi submitting to the rule of
>>>Moslems and they can pay a poll tax to the Islamic state.
>>>But in time they would probably force unbelievers to "convert."
>>>
>>>The late Ayatollah Khomeini said, "the purest joy in Islam is
>>>to kill and be killed for Allah."
>>
>>Would it not then follow from that that if we kill any, they should
>>thank us for it?
>
>
> They probably don't see it quite that way.
That's because they and their supporters have issues with common sense.
>
>>>He also said, "The governments of the world should know that
>>>Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the
>>>countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran
>>>will prevail all over the world."
>>>
>>>Moslems have vowed to kill the Saturday people, and then
>>>they will kill the Sunday people. Budhists, Krishnas, atheists
>>>and all others are in their crosshairs too.
>>
>>...and yet somehow the Saturday people get criticized by the Sunday
>>people, as well as the rest of the fight card, for fighting the fight
>>and sacrificing their own so that they won't have to.
>
>
> Many Sunday people are deceived by the one thing Israel has not
> been very successful at defeating and that is Hasbara. Though
> the Moslems have not been able to defeat Israel militarily,
> they have been very successful with their Arab propaganda.
> And with the help of western publishers they have been able
> to revise history in the Middle East.
>
> There are Sunday people who are squarely in Israel's corner.
And the Saturday people do appreciate it.
If they were sodevout in their faith, they should have recognized the
hand of G-d in Israel's victories, as per Biblical prophecy. Even at
West Point, where cadets are learned in military strategy, they don't
teach Israel-Arabs wars in normal context.
> The homeland of Islam is the Middle East which they
> consider Allan land, and you have successfully estab-
> lished a non-Islamic state and religion in its heart.
> This is a great shame to them, and there will be no
> peace as a consequence.
Pride goeth before the fall.
grateful
They have issues with the truth period.
>
> >
> >>>He also said, "The governments of the world should know that
> >>>Islam cannot be defeated. Islam will be victorious in all the
> >>>countries of the world, and Islam and the teachings of the Koran
> >>>will prevail all over the world."
> >>>
> >>>Moslems have vowed to kill the Saturday people, and then
> >>>they will kill the Sunday people. Budhists, Krishnas, atheists
> >>>and all others are in their crosshairs too.
> >>
> >>...and yet somehow the Saturday people get criticized by the Sunday
> >>people, as well as the rest of the fight card, for fighting the fight
> >>and sacrificing their own so that they won't have to.
> >
> >
> > Many Sunday people are deceived by the one thing Israel has not
> > been very successful at defeating and that is Hasbara. Though
> > the Moslems have not been able to defeat Israel militarily,
> > they have been very successful with their Arab propaganda.
> > And with the help of western publishers they have been able
> > to revise history in the Middle East.
> >
> > There are Sunday people who are squarely in Israel's corner.
>
> And the Saturday people do appreciate it.
I know.
There are those who see this truth and rejoice because nothing
but the almighty arm of G-d --(I typed this for you) can explain
Israel's victories against such astounding odds. The outcome
of the war in 1948, is absolutely mindboggling if G-d is left out
of the equation. It's an unavoidable fact, He was aurely with you
in 1967 and 1973 also.
> Even at
> West Point, where cadets are learned in military strategy, they don't
> teach Israel-Arabs wars in normal context.
No surprise there.
>
> > The homeland of Islam is the Middle East which they
> > consider Allan land, and you have successfully estab-
> > lished a non-Islamic state and religion in its heart.
> > This is a great shame to them, and there will be no
> > peace as a consequence.
>
> Pride goeth before the fall.
What was that deafening crash I heard? Their haughty
spirit?
Pastor Frank
>
> The homeland of Islam is the Middle East which they
> consider Allan land, and you have successfully estab-
> lished a non-Islamic state and religion in its heart.
> This is a great shame to them, and there will be no
> peace as a consequence.
>
and pay Arab refugees who lost their properties compensation, like the
Germans, who not only invite Jewish survivors to come back to their homes
and properties, but pay compensation to those who opt not to.
Israel gets US$15 million a day foreign aid, and not a penny of that
goes to dispossessed native Semites, not only that, but Israel even diverts
taxes raised in occupied Palestine for their own use.
These Arabs are an ancient people who will not be shamed into submission
and eventually will succeed in shaming us, Israel's supporters, by bringing
about the Apocalypse. See below Biblical prophesies
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> Western support for Israel dispossessing Muslims without compensation,
> and without allowing refugees to return home, as per international law and
> numerous United Nations resolutions,
It's well known that there is very little real Western support
for Israel. Even American govermental support is suspect. It's
about getting Arab oil, and selling weapons to them at tremendous
profit.
The refugee problem that you allude to is an Arab political ploy
used as a festering wound in the Middle East to make their
"Palestian" pawns objects of sympathy to uninformed Westerners.
This enables the savages to continually engage in the most
heinous brutality imaginable for which only Israeli retaliation
is condemned. When homocide bombers become active here, should
we invite them in for coffee?
Maybe Arab oil will fuel the lake of fire.
Arabs hate Jews because they are not Moslems. They hate them
because they have successfully established a non-Islamic state
and religion in the heart of Allah land. They are black faced
with shame because they have been embarassingly unsuccessful in
their efforts to remove her in spite of their superior numbers,
and at one time, superior armaments.
grateful
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> >
> > The homeland of Islam is the Middle East which they
> > consider Allan land, and you have successfully estab-
> > lished a non-Islamic state and religion in its heart.
> > This is a great shame to them, and there will be no
> > peace as a consequence.
> >
> There will be, as soon as Jews stop being so tight and self-righteous
> and pay Arab refugees who lost their properties compensation,
Do you also demand that compensation be paid to more than
60 percent of Jews and their children living in Israel, who
because of Arab brutality and progroms against them, had
to flee from the Arab countries in which they lived.
Leaving behind all their possessions. This is how they
got their revenge for Israel's statehood although Arab
brutality against Jews has been practiced since the days
of Mohammed, and even longer by gentile Christians.
Arabs left Israel in 1948, at the instigation of their own
leaders. Others had left gradually taking their belongings
with them. They were told to leave so Arab military could
get into Israel without their being in the way, but God
had other plans. Some of the those Arabs were illegal
immigrants.
> like the
> Germans, who not only invite Jewish survivors to come back to their homes
> and properties, but pay compensation to those who opt not to.
> Israel gets US$15 million a day foreign aid, and not a penny of that
> goes to dispossessed native Semites,
Remember the orginal inhabitants of these lands were
Canaanites not Semites. The Canaanites are descendants
of Ham.
> not only that, but Israel even diverts
> taxes raised in occupied Palestine for their own use.
> These Arabs are an ancient people who will not be shamed into submission
> and eventually will succeed in shaming us, Israel's supporters, by bringing
> about the Apocalypse. See below Biblical prophesies
No more than the shame the Church bears for Christian
anti-semitism against the Jews.
Pastor Frank
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> >
> > Western support for Israel dispossessing Muslims without compensation,
> > and without allowing refugees to return home, as per international law
and
> > numerous United Nations resolutions,
>
> It's well known that there is very little real Western support
> for Israel. Even American govermental support is suspect. It's
> about getting Arab oil, and selling weapons to them at tremendous
> profit.
>
crimes, massacres and genocides at the behest of their god(s), or are you a
bigot in favour of one but not the other?
Where Germany is sorry, ashamed and repentant of their crimes against
Jews, not only inviting survivors and refugees to come back and go home to
their houses and property, but paying large reparations to those who
decline, Jews are still proud of their ancestors having killed the entire
native population of the "promised land" including their animals, and are
unwilling to pay any compensation to the present dispossessed refugees. How
can anyone make peace with such a unrepentant people?
--
Pastor Frank
"Every time we do something you tell me America will do this and will
do that . . . I want to tell you something very clear: Don't worry about
American pressure on Israel. We, the Jewish people, control America,
and the Americans know it."
-- Israeli Prime Minister, Ariel Sharon, October 3, 2001.
Famous Zionist Quote (back when the Zionists were really cocky):
"Jewish villages were built in the place of Arab villages. You do not
even know the names of these Arab villages, and I do not blame you because
those Arab villages were destroyed and don't exist any longer, nor do the
geography books which showed them, for they were destroyed also and replaced
with Israeli geography books showing only Israeli names.
Nahlal arose in the place of Mahlul; Kibbutz Gvat in the place of Jibta;
Kibbutz Sarid in the place of Huneifis; and Kefar Yehushu'a in the place of
Tal al-Shuman. There is not one single place built in this country that did
not have a former Arab Population."
--Moshe Dayan, Address to the Technion, Haifa (as quoted in
Ha'aretz, 4 April 1969) http://www.birzeit.edu/crdps/village@.html
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above excuses man's inhumanity to man. We all will be judged by how we treat
others, for we will be treated likewise. I for one do not want to be treated
as Germans treated Jews, or Hebrews treated the population of the "promised
land" since ancient times, so I am against all who practice or advocate,
excuse or justify etc. etc. the killing or ill treatment of anyone.
You make your choice now. You either are FOR Jesus Christ, and aim to be
humane, even at the cost of your own life, or be against Him, justifying the
most heinous of crimes against others on the basis of religion, language,
ancestry, self-interest etc.and what you think are the commandments of YHWH,
except of course the inconvenient commandments, such as refraining from
coveting thy neighbour's property and killing him and his family to "possess
the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
The blood Christ shed for you will be of no effect, unless you submit to
His authority and DO what He wants you to do.
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up, did you?
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2Cor:12:11: I am become a fool in glorying
grateful
snip for brevity:
> There are no Jewish refugees in any refugee camps, therefore none of the
> above excuses man's inhumanity to man. We all will be judged by how we treat
> others, for we will be treated likewise. I for one do not want to be treated
> as Germans treated Jews, or Hebrews treated the population of the "promised
> land" since ancient times, so I am against all who practice or advocate,
> excuse or justify etc. etc. the killing or ill treatment of anyone.
> You make your choice now. You either are FOR Jesus Christ, and aim to be
> humane, even at the cost of your own life, or be against Him, justifying the
> most heinous of crimes against others on the basis of religion, language,
> ancestry, self-interest etc.and what you think are the commandments of YHWH,
> except of course the inconvenient commandments, such as refraining from
> coveting thy neighbour's property and killing him and his family to "possess
> the land" and "reap were you have not sown".
> The blood Christ shed for you will be of no effect, unless you submit to
> His authority and DO what He wants you to do.
> --
> Pastor Frank
Maybe you think that by supporting Moslems now they won't blow you
up, gouge out your eyes, cut off one of your hands or feet from
opposite sides, lop off your head or hack you to death when they
rise up in the West. Don't be too sure.
We could go on about the rapes, murders, tortures, theft of property, etc.
the Jews have suffered at the hands of Arabs since the 7th cen. A.D. We
could go on about the rapes, murders, tortures, theft of property, forced
expulsions from European countries, the ghettoes, the genocide, the kidnappings,
forced conversions, hate, slander, etc. they have suffered from gentiles, mostly
Christian, and this fueled by the animus of preachers like Chrysostom
beginning in the 4th cen. A.D.
It means nothing to you because you are a product of this anti-Judaic, deicidal
theology that began in that century. Even to the extent that you distance
yourself from the first part of your Bible. You use the OT to bolster your
hatred of the people through whom Christ came. This is at the heart of your
ignorance about the Middle Eastern situation.
Jews aren't blameless in some of their responses to Arab atrocities, and not
every Arab from what was Palestine a savage, but you neglect UN, American and
European hatred and media bias against the Jewish people. The UN has
prohibited Israelies from resettling Arab refugees and making their lot better.
Other Arabs enjoy their use as political pawns in their war against Israel. It
makes great propaganda. See how successful they have been with the likes of you.
Do you hate Jews because of your misinterpretation of the OT or do you hate them
because they bear the burden of God?
As Edward H. Flannery wrote, "The hubris of the human heart
cannot forgive the Jews for bringing into the world the idea
of a transcendent God and a divinely sanctioned moral law
binding on everyone. The concept offends the "pagan" that
resides more or less in every human being. Anti-Semitism is
symptomatic of an animus against God, an animus deeply lodged
in every person."
Jews have been persecuted century after century after century,
and you are one of their persecutors in this one and the last
century. Don't think you will escape judgement either.
Pastor Frank
kill all the Muslims of this world, but I am telling you, that you will be
subjected to the same actions you inflict on others, and such actions you
support.
Remember, that Jews, like all other Semites will not allow Christ to be
preached on their soil, and where Muslims at least respect Christ as a great
prophet sent by God, Jews still regard Christ as a charlatan, a hoax and a
fraud, and most of today's Jews are in fact atheists.
Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the ones
objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting Jews, as
well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their shores.
During the German occupation period, we hid and fed whole families of Jews
for years in Holland, and many of the brethren were found out and landed in
the same concentration camps as their Jewish guests, only to be martyred
along with them. Your accusations are therefore false, as are your
protestations, that the OT accounts of atrocities committed are nothing but
lies.
--
Pastor Frank
Jesus in Mt:18:7: Woe unto the world because of offences! for it must needs
be that offences come; but woe to that man by whom the offence cometh!
Jesus in Mt:7:2: For with what judgment ye judge, ye shall be judged: and
with what measure ye mete, it shall be measured to you again.
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Sheldon Liberman
Christianity is already peached in Israel, and most Jews are NOT
athiests. Don't you ever get anything right.
> Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the ones
> objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting Jews, as
> well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their shores.
Long before that, the Jews were objecting to the Roman practice of
feeding Christians to lions, incurring the wrath of Romans in the
process. Why don't you talk about that?
Mark Cerasuolo
> > "amigocabal" <pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote in message
> > news:o9r%b.21601$W74....@newsread1.news.atl.earthlink.net...
> > >
> > > I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what
> bothers
> > > me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
> > > Palestinians TODAY!
> > >
> > whom!!!! Don't dismiss Jesus like Jews do. They consider Him a fraud, for
> > suggesting, that we will be judged by how we treat others and that we
> should
> > therefore follow the golden rule. That rule raises not only snickers with
> > Jews, but also among Ziochristians and the Ziomedia.
> > --
> > Pastor Frank
>
> Frank, please be honest that you are a pedophile homosexual before acting
> like a "gawd".
>
> It's only a matter of days before you will be arrested for molesting those 3
> boys.
>
> Yes, I have turned your ass in!
>
> Down you go!
You must be a Zionist Jew out to persecute Christians
Deborah Sharavi
>Remember, that Jews, like all other Semites will not allow Christ to be
>preached on their soil, and where Muslims at least respect Christ as a great
>prophet sent by God, Jews still regard Christ as a charlatan, a hoax and a
>fraud, and most of today's Jews are in fact atheists.
Try putting up a Xmas tree in Saudi Arabia.
>Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the ones
>objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting Jews, as
>well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their shores.
>During the German occupation period, we hid and fed whole families of Jews
>for years
On what planet?
Deborah
grateful
There are many Messianic Congregations in Israel.
> Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the ones
> objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting Jews, as
> well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their shores.
> During the German occupation period, we hid and fed whole families of Jews
> for years in Holland, and many of the brethren were found out and landed in
> the same concentration camps as their Jewish guests, only to be martyred
> along with them. Your accusations are therefore false, as are your
> protestations, that the OT accounts of atrocities committed are nothing but
> lies.
Are you including yourself as being among those who helped
Jews at that time or are you speaking as a descendant of the
Dutch a/o a member of the above mentioned organization?
Where did you go so wrong? Where would you have sent the Jews
to live after the Holocaust? Don't you believe in the
sovereignty of God?
> --
> Pastor Frank
Your anti-Zionism is just a cloak for your anti-Semitism.
The God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob promised that land
in the Middle East to them and their descendants on oath.
He also made an everlasting covenant with them concerning
the land that would become Israel. He appointed Moses and
Joshua to leadership roles to get the people to and into the land,
and he was with them every step of the way. It was bloody
and since that offends you, take it up with God.
As you would expect, God is keeping his covenant with them.
That is why he is known as a covenant keeping God; that is
what he does. People break covenant, he doesn't.
God sent his Son to be born, live, teach, preach, heal, save, die,
to be resurrected and to ascend into heaven in and from Israel.
Jesus will also return to Israel, so accept it.
JGB
> Pastor Frank wrote:
> You WILL be staring
> > at a 20 foot high wall surrounding you in hell.
>
>
> What is hell?
> No point threatening Jews with hell, because in Judaism there is no hell.<
There is gehennom.
> I presume you frighten children by telling them if they are naughty they
> will go to hell? Jeez, ...you think fear and control tactics like that have
> any effect ,except to give children nightmares and making them fearful
> about making choices? <sigh>
>
>
>
> Tilly
Pastor Frank
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> "Pastor Frank" <p...@christfirst.com> wrote in message
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> >
> >Remember, that Jews, like all other Semites will not allow Christ to be
> >preached on their soil, and where Muslims at least respect Christ as a
great
> >prophet sent by God, Jews still regard Christ as a charlatan, a hoax and
a
> >fraud, and most of today's Jews are in fact atheists.
>
> Try putting up a Xmas tree in Saudi Arabia.
>
Christians countries, nor any proselytizing for Judaism nor Islam, until
Christians enjoy the same freedoms over there.
> >Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the ones
> >objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting Jews, as
> >well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their shores.
> >During the German occupation period, we hid and fed whole families of
Jews
> >for years
>
> On what planet?
> Deborah
>
A lot of things fall into place now, for you don't seem to have a clue
about the heroic efforts of Christians valuing Human Rights. Read up on the
world-famous diary of Ann Franks and find out how long she and her family
were hidden by their Dutch hosts, before the whole lot of them were found by
the Germans and deported to a Concentration camp. We praise the Lord, that
most hidden Jews in Holland were not found by the Germans and survived.
Would they now only show a similar humane concern for those Palestinians who
lost their homes and property to Israel by force of arms.
--
Pastor Frank
CHRIST'S SOCIAL GOSPEL
(Jesus in Matt: 25:41): Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand,
Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and
his angels:
42: For I was an hungred, and ye gave me no meat: I was thirsty, and ye gave
me no drink:
43: I was a stranger, and ye took me not in: naked, and ye clothed me not:
sick, and in prison, and ye visited me not.
44: Then shall they also answer him, saying, Lord, when saw we thee an
hungred, or athirst, or a stranger, or naked, or sick, or in prison, and did
not minister unto thee?
45: Then shall he answer them, saying, Verily I say unto you, Inasmuch as ye
did it not to one of the least of these, ye did it not to me.
46: And these shall go away into everlasting punishment: but the mercyful
into life eternal.
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Deborah Sharavi
>Perhaps we should demand reciprocity: No synagogues nor Mosques in
>Christians countries, nor any proselytizing for Judaism nor Islam,
until
>Christians enjoy the same freedoms over there.
>>>Furthermore, we Christians FOR UNIVERSAL Human Rights, were the
ones
>>>objecting most vociferously to Hitler and his goons persecuting
Jews, as
>>>well as to America etc. turning away Jewish refugees from their
shores.
>>>During the German occupation period, we hid and fed whole families
of
>>>Jews for years
>>On what planet?
>A lot of things fall into place now, for you don't seem to have a
clue
>about the heroic efforts of Christians valuing Human Rights.
You don't seem to have a clue, period.
>Read up on the
>world-famous diary of Ann Franks and find out how long she and her
family
>were hidden by their Dutch hosts, before the whole lot of them were
found by
>the Germans and deported to a Concentration camp.
Along with six million other European Jews.
>We praise the Lord, that
>most hidden Jews in Holland were not found by the Germans and
survived.
75% of the Jews of Holland were exterminated. The Dutch closed their
borders to German Jews in 1938. The Dutch army surrendered to the
Nazis in May 1940, the govt fled, and the deportations of Dutch Jews
began following the Wanasee Conference. Beginning 15th July 1942, 93
trainloads of Dutch Jews were transported to the camps; the last was
6th September 1944, as the Brits were advancing into Netherlands. Some
30,000 Dutch Jews went into hiding; a little over half were tracked
down by the Germans, Dutch Nazis, and Dutch police. Of the 107,000
Dutch Jews sent to the camps, appx 5,000 survived.
Your presumptious equating yourself with the Xian martyrs who gave
their lives to save Jews is beyond grotesque. It's like comparing
Montrachet to a piece of shit.
Deborah
Aaron
<watch_the_...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>
>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:45:40 GMT, "amigocabal"
>><pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what bothers
>>>me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
>>>Palestinians TODAY!
>>
>>Of course the Jews did not execute Jesus; the ROMANS executed Him for
>>being King of Israel. The sign on the cross was the list of charges
>>that He was convicted of "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
>>
>>Palestinians murder, torture pillage and invade Israel, but the Jews
>>do not punish these invaders as they should. Palestinians are
>>stealing Israeli land and the Anti-Semitic (Anti-Christian) UN
>>supports this because Europe wants oil and the UN has no sense of
>>morality.
>>
>
>What is it with the jews? Why don't they admit that they arrested,
>had their kangaroo trial, and then took Jesus to Pilate where they
>demanded that he kill Jesus? What are they afraid of? Do they
>believe that Christians will want to kill living jews for what their
>ancestors did 2,000 years ago?
Actually, Christians have murdered millions of Jews based on the lies
that you just told, "not_over_the_hill."
The Jews did not try Jesus. A minority faction of Jews turned jesus
over to the Romans who convicted Him of being "King of the Jews"
(Insurrection Against the Roman Empire).
>
>Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
>truth.
Over-the-hill, you are lying again.
The Bible disagrees with you.
History disagrees with you.
>Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
>agrees.
Mel just proped up the same old Catholic lies.
Most Christian theologians agree that Jesus gave up his own life.
>So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
>him dead and arranged it.
Historically, it was less that 36 Jews on the Sanhedrin, plus
Caiaphas. Had there been 37 members of the Sanhedrin who were against
Jesus, he would have been stones to death.
>Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
>killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
You cannot equate the Indian's defending themselves against Hilter, or
the Japanese retaliation for the US cutting off Japan's oil suppy with
the murder of millions of civilians. The Japanese ans Indians in both
of your examples only attacked military targets. You will need to
sober up before you try posting again.
>
>The denials only make jews look stupid.
Your racism makes it look like you hate Jesus the Jew.
Aaron
<sheldon....@sympatico.ca> wrote:
>
>
>not_over_the_hill wrote:
>> On Tue, 02 Mar 2004 04:24:34 GMT, Aaron <an...@home.net> wrote:
>>
>>
>>>On Thu, 26 Feb 2004 18:45:40 GMT, "amigocabal"
>>><pinksp...@earthlink.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>>I do not give a shit what Jews did two thousand years ago, what bothers
>>>>me that they are continuing to murder torture,pillage and steal from
>>>>Palestinians TODAY!
>>>
>>>Of course the Jews did not execute Jesus; the ROMANS executed Him for
>>>being King of Israel. The sign on the cross was the list of charges
>>>that He was convicted of "Jesus of Nazareth, King of the Jews.
>>>
>>>Palestinians murder, torture pillage and invade Israel, but the Jews
>>>do not punish these invaders as they should. Palestinians are
>>>stealing Israeli land and the Anti-Semitic (Anti-Christian) UN
>>>supports this because Europe wants oil and the UN has no sense of
>>>morality.
>>>
>>
>>
>> What is it with the jews? Why don't they admit that they arrested,
>> had their kangaroo trial, and then took Jesus to Pilate where they
>> demanded that he kill Jesus? What are they afraid of? Do they
>> believe that Christians will want to kill living jews for what their
>> ancestors did 2,000 years ago?
>
>Yes, people hold Jews responsible for allegedly took place 2000 years.
>Did you miss the memo?
Actually, these racists (who I hope do not represent "real
Christians") would hate the Jews just as much if the chinese had
execute Jesus.
"Not_over_the_hill" is a liar.
>
>>
>> Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
>> truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
>> agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
>> him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
>> killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
>
>Jewish theologians don't agree. Why is their opinion less valid that
>your theologians?
Since a Jewish theologian would know that the Sanhedrin never convened
at night, and that Caiaphas was never Nasi of the Sanhedrin, a Jewish
theologian would tell the truth. The truth does not serve the
purposes of these racists.
>
>Most Muslims, and many Christians, think that the Protocols of the
>Elderes Zion are true, and many believe that 9/11 was perpetrated by
>Jews, and that Jews use the blood of children in their Passover matzah.
LOL
They only believe these lies because they want to believe them. Most
know deep down that they are not true; they just like the feeling that
hatred gives them.
>
>G-d forbid, the Islam dream of global domination should ever come true,
>that they become the guardians of history, then all of the above, and
>much more, will become established fact.
According to the Koran, Isa (Jesus) is the accuser of the Christians
who seals their damnation. The Koran also says that Jesus was
incompetant and failed in his mission to convert the Jews to Islam.
>
>>
>> The denials only make jews look stupid.
>
>There are many people who would like to be as "stupid" as the Jews. Why
>don't just believe what you like and leave the rest of us to do
>likewise, lest you yourself project yourself as being stupid(er).
Too late!
>
>>
Aaron
wrote:
Then you must not have known many people who call themselves
"Christian." Granted anyone who actually tries to follow even a tiny
portion of what Jesus taught would love the Jews, but most who use the
word "Christian" do not know enough of the Bible to actually be
followers of Messiah.
>> The jews did and look what it has cost them.....Everlasting life.
That is a pretty racist and false statement.
Over one million jews were followers of Jesus in Israel alone. This
was only one seventh of the population, but clearly it is a
significant portion.
>> Who had the most to lose by accepting Christ as the Messiah?
>> It was the high ranking priests who live like kings. They did not
>> want to give that up. They were happy with their lives.
>> (BTW, there.... same thing applies to Christian leaders also. Be
>> careful to accept every thing that they teach too.)
>> >>
>> >> Get over it and just admit it. Most 12 yr. old Christians know the
>> >> truth. Mel got it right and virtually every Christian Theologian
>> >> agrees. So, get over it already and just admit it. The jews wanted
>> >> him dead and arranged it. Hitler killed 6,000,000 jews, the Indians
>> >> killed Custer and the Japs bombed Pearl Harbor.
>> >
>> >Jewish theologians don't agree. Why is their opinion less valid that
>> >your theologians?
>>
>> Jewish theologians have little basis for their opinions. Naturally,
>> if one is not a jew, they have the option to throw out the Gospels.
>> But, the Gospels are very clear as to what transpired.
The Gospels are clear to someone who has studied the Talmud and the
Midrash and knows the theo=political situation of the First Century
CE. They are clear to a Jewish theologian who sees the violations of
Jewish Law committed by a minority faction who did not control enough
votes in the Sanhedrin to have Jesus convicted. They clearly show
that what Jesus was teaching agreed with the theologies of Beyt
Hillel, the Majority house of the Pharisses. They show that Beyt
Shammai and the Sadicees feared a political alliance between Rabban
Gamliel the Elder and Rebe Yshu`a Ben Yosef (Jesus).
Christian theologians may study various translations of the Gospels,
but they do not study the history or culture that in which these
events happened.
Mark Cerasuolo
I did not write this trash about zionists
I wish this to be stricken from the record
Mark A Cerasuolo