PING: DIANA & KELLY - RANDY & I
Pastor Dave
<shech...@reborn.com> spake thusly:
>"<<k�ll�>>" <rosie...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Jul 2, 12:17 pm, "Diana" wrote:
>>
>>>> Sure you defend him. You both marry a woman
>>>> of the type culture that "obeys" the man just for
>>>> the sake of using the Bible to get your way with her.
The interesting part is that you say here, when you put
the word "obey" in quotes, that it is wrong for a wife
to obey her husband, yet the Bible says to do just that.
So what do you do? You then try to claim that we try
to make "obey = abuse". And why? Because to your
"Femi-Nazi" (which does not include feminists in general)
way of thinking, if a woman obeys her husband at all,
that is "abuse". So basically, to you, the Bible is a load
of crap if it doesn't support women brow-beating and
manipulating their husbands into submission. I'm sure
that God is quite happy to hear about that!
>>> So "Pastor" Dave's wife is a mail-order bride as well?
>
>> I don't know her nationality but it would seem she is.
It would seem that she is??? Have you never met
a dark skinned woman that was born in the U.S.?
They do exist, you know!
Do you make all dark skinned people feel this "at home"?
>> IMO that is why he married her because
>> she probably bows to his every command.
And you have proof that I bark at my wife
and order her around, from where???
Oh, that's right! You don't have any!
>> Hmmm...well...if you don't know for sure,
>> do you think it's a goodidea to speculate
>> and then accuse based on that speculation?
>
> Kelly if I am wrong please correct me
If you wanted correction, then you would have stopped!
And you wouldn't have kept going, even after you were
corrected! But instead, you choose to ignore any and
all posts from the people that you accuse, to gladly
grab onto whatever another false accuser says!
And in fact, if you were indeed interested in correction,
then we wouldn't be seeing this post from you, since
you were corrected about this years ago!
And so, now you want to pretend that you seek correction
from the woman who has agreed with you in falsely
accusing us?! Please!
> But I read your post to think you believe Randy's wife
> is mail order? I have a photo of Dave's that is why
> I said could be. I did not say yes so therefore I did not
> speculate but you did when you said " So "Pastor" Dave's
> wife is a mail-order bride as well?
As well? You haven't proven the first accusation against
Randy, but yet, now you pretend that you have and
move on to accusing me, so that in the next message,
you can pretend that accusing me as well equals proof
that we are both guilty of your false accusation? Huh?!?
> And to me that made me believe you were speculating.
Your, "you made me believe that you were speculating"
lie is just that Diana. A LIE! You're trying to escape
being accountable for your words and we both know
that to be the case and we both know that God sees
what you're doing and that you're not fooling anybody!
So here you are, after YOU ASKED for a picture of my wife
and myself and then when I send it to you, you're going to
use it to claim that my wife is a "mail order bride"?! What?!
You are such a good Christian, aren't you, Diana! (:
> I just know for a fact that the two of them believe
> that even if a wife says NO to sex that it is still a
> man's right to have her. That is all I am sure of.
You're lying again! A quote from 1 Cor 7, that says that
neither a husband, nor a wife has the right to say no to
the other, is not what you try to manipulate it into being!
And if you have a problem with what it says, then hey,
take it up with the Author! I didn't write it! But unlike
you Diana and Kelly, I bow to God's word as the Ultimate
Authority, while you bow to your own desire to manipulate
men to your advantage and actually think that if a man
won't allow that, that he is a "wife beater and a rapist"!
What you're saying is that if both of us believe God's word,
because the Bible says it, then that makes her a "mail order
bride" and me a "rapist and a wife beater" and that is
simply ridiculous!
No? That's not what you're saying? Then why did you
say that? And yes, you are saying that, not just Kelly!
And furthermore, what difference would it make if she had
come over here from another country? Does it make her
any less of a Christian?!
No wait, let me guess... It makes her less able to choose
her own destiny, right? So you promote women so much,
that you think they're too stupid to make their own decisions!
Now go ahead and say that what I just said, erases what
I already said and that it makes me the husband of a
mail order bride and a rapist and then pretend that
that's proof of your accusation, because that's the type
of disgusting person you two are!
Isn't it interesting, that the women who claim brag up women
over men, are the first ones to state how stupid women are,
since they must be, if they're taken advantage of as often
as these same bragging women say they are!
Poor little innocent, naive, super smart women, right?!
Bawahahaha!!! If women only knew how demeaning it is
to be the pawn of women like you! :)
Thank God that men don't feel about women the way that
you two do, because if that's how all men felt about women,
then there would be a lot more problems for them and they
wouldn't even be able to breathe without men around,
according to your own testimony! <Chuckle!>
If, that is, men felt the way that you do about them!
The fact is, that you have zero proof of anything that you
accuse us of and yet, here you are, making the accusations!
You are despicable and you are no child of God, if you could
constantly, over a period of years, keep doing the same thing
that you are doing right now and that is a fact!
Has it ever occurred to you, that my wife and I got married
because we love each other and that I met her here in the
U.S. and that we both believe the Bible is God's word and
is therefore, is the Ultimate Authority in everything and that
1 Cor 7 goes both ways and not just one?!
I know, that doesn't jive with your "Diana and Kelly are God"
scenario, but it's true anyway! <sarcastic laugh>
So why is it that you never accuse our wives of being rapists,
because they have the same rights that 1 Cor 7 affords them
as it does us?! Why is that ladies, huh??? <chuckle!>
Oh, don't worry, we all know why! It's because of your bias!
Women could never be guilty of anything to you two, because
women can do no wrong as far as you're concerned, even
when they do, because when they do, it's somehow the man's
fault and he manipulated them and brow-beat them into doing
it, right? But hey, if she does something fantastic, then it's
all her and men should pay attention so that they can be
as smart as women, even at the times it was his idea to
do it that way (not that it always is), right Diana and Kelly?!
Yup! Just like your false accusations that you make against
us, because we won't be brow-beaten by you and your
anti-male agenda are right, right Diana and Kelly?! <chuckle>
So while you shout out about men abusing women, even
though your accusations against us are false, the truth is,
that it's you and lots of women like you, who are trying to
brow-beat men into submission just like you're doing
right here, right now, with your lying false accusation,
which we both know are made for that exact purpose!
And not only submission, but into a despicable manipulation,
in which you don't even want them to be able to think for
themselves, while you hypocritically accuse men of that
very same thing!
DIANA: Hey pal, just sign over your paycheck and shut up!
I'll let you know when you can talk!
Go ahead Diana! Try to convince us that you didn't "bitch"
your husband into signing over his paychecks every week,
while he was lucky to get an "allowance" at all!
And then tell us how evil it is if men give their wives
an allowance! Bawahahaha! <Chuckle!>
And then tell us all about how you got perms for $60
and then "bitched" at your husband, if he wanted to
spend $25 on a haircut for himself!
Or better yet, go ahead and lie about it, like we both
know you will! <chuckle>
And tell us how it's really not you, but that I'm projecting
my own life onto this message, even though that's not
even close to my life, but you will pretend that your
accusation makes it so, which is easily proved by what
you have already written! Bawahahaha!!! <Chuckle!>
You two are so typical and so predictable! :)
And do you want to tell us now why you make these claims
about my wife, as if you didn't know where she came from
(which was the U.S.) and as if you have never discussed it
with me before???
Has it been discussed between us before, Diana???
Of course it has! You and I discussed it before and you
falsely claimed that you believed it also, when you said
that you were happy for us!
But here you are, in various messages today, falsely accusing
Randy and I of raping our wives, using the Bible to "beat them
into submission" and of having "mail order brides" and lots more
than just that and all because you were caught out on a Biblical
point that had absolutely nothing to do with that subject,
nor even close to the subject of sex, nor marriage!
But you did it to try to change the subject away from what you
could not deal with, because you were caught in the wrong
about something else entirely and didn't have the integrity
to admit that!
And Kelly joins in with you, because she knows very well that
I stopped her claim that God has no problem with "monogamous
homosexual relationships" and she could not deal with that!
And when she claims not to respond to my posts, she is only right
when she says it about posts that show her evil! But she has
responded to posts that did not deal with that, even as recently
as within the last 48 hours and so her claim that she has not
responded to one of my posts for over a year is in fact, A LIE!
She simply won't answer to what she knows for a fact,
destroys her anti-Biblical claims!
And as for both you and her, you both hate men! And don't
bother telling me how wonderful you were with your husband,
because that is just you claiming it and it obviously does not
speak to the truth and we both know it, since it is so obvious!
No woman who loves her husband as much as you claimed
you do, would treat him the way that you obviously did,
which is evident by the way you treat men all the time when
they don't agree with you on something... anything!
Do you really think that you'll convince us otherwise,
with your attitude toward any man who won't kiss
your ass?!
And no woman who honors Scripture, would be this way toward
men and it is obvious that what you seek to do, is to manipulate
men and to try to force them under your thumb, by trying to
make them feel bad as you have trued to do here with us and
trying to inflame others against them, as you have done here
with us, so that you don't have to deal with the facts!
How could you possibly think that anyone could possibly think
that what you display here s the opposite of what you display
in real life, when it comes to this?! Your so called, "Christian
altitude toward men" is a joke and we both know it! If it
weren't, then you could NEVER, EVER say such things and
make such false accusations as you did here, accusing is of:
1) Rape.
2) Beating our wives.
3) Having mail order brides.
No one who is Christ's, would make such accusations!
No one, who is of Christ, would say such things about people
they never met!
And while you seek to demean us, you also demean our wives,
by implying that they have no mind of their own to think with
and also by outright stating that they wouldn't obey Scripture
and that they shouldn't, because rather, they should agree
with you in your anti-God campaign against His Holy Word!
And all of this you start, because you didn't want to just admit
that you were wrong about something else!
And before you say you weren't wrong, that is even worse,
since if you feel that you were right, it shows that you just
didn't care about the subject at hand at all and just went
for what you felt would be the "quick kill" and attempt to
inflame others against us, regardless of whether or not it
is true, because that Diana, is the type of person you are,
just as it is the type of person that Kelly is also, since she
was more than happy to join in and make things up of
her own, along with you!
Example: You would never have accused me of having
a "mail order bride" if I hadn't sent you a
picture of my wife. But yet now, even after
I told you where she's from and that she is
A U.S. citizen by birth, you accuse me of that,
after seeing her skin color! I'm sure that
people of color everywhere will appreciate
you grouping them all in as dumb immigrants,
incapable of thinking for themselves, as you
have stated about my wife, when you claimed
that I took advantage of her and "beat her
down", calling her a "mail order bride",
which we both know means that you are
saying that she is a foreigner who is too
ignorant to stand up for herself!
Yea, what a great Christian you are!
And how dare you speak of Randy's wife that way! I may not
be a fan of his, but I do know that his wife has been a lovely
woman to him and that he loves her a great deal and that
she is not a "mail order bride"!
And even if she was, what does that mean? That she wanted
to come here, but meet a man that she could love? You know,
not all women have so many choices where they are from.
But you, while you claim that women should be empowered
and have choices, seem to want to take that choice away
from them! Isn't it up to them? Your answer is obviously
a resounding no! And when you answer that way, then
you are saying that not only are women dumb, but that
some women are so dumb, that they need you to look out
for them, because they're incapable of making the right
choices for themselves!
And isn't it interesting that this attitude always comes from
women who claim to be "empowering women"! <chuckle>
You have been despicable at best, both you and Kelly!
--
Pastor Dave
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Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <mjbq45pmeifs72me7...@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:11:01 -0400, "Diana"
><shech...@reborn.com> spake thusly:
>
>
>>"<<k�ll�>>" <rosie...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> On Jul 2, 12:17 pm, "Diana" wrote:
>>>
>>>>> Sure you defend him. You both marry a woman
>>>>> of the type culture that "obeys" the man just for
>>>>> the sake of using the Bible to get your way with her.
>
>The interesting part is that you say here, when you put
>the word "obey" in quotes, that it is wrong for a wife
>to obey her husband, yet the Bible says to do just that.
Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband
is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church,
his body, of which he is the Savior. Now as the church submits
to Christ, so also wives should submit to their husbands in
everything. (Ephesians 5:22-24 NIV)
Likewise, ye wives, be in subjection to your own husbands;
that, if any obey not the word, they also may without the word
be won by the conversation of the wives; While they behold
your chaste conversation coupled with fear. Whose adorning let
it not be that outward adorning of plaiting the hair, and of
wearing of gold, or of putting on of apparel; But let it be
the hidden man of the heart, in that which is not corruptible,
even the ornament of a meek and quiet spirit, which is in the
sight of God of great price. For after this manner in the old
time the holy women also, who trusted in God, adorned
themselves, being in subjection unto their own husbands: Even
as Sara obeyed Abraham, calling him lord: whose daughters ye
are, as long as ye do well, and are not afraid with any
amazement. (1 Peter 3:1-6 KJV)
That would seem to be correct.
>And so, now you want to pretend that you seek correction
>from the woman who has agreed with you in falsely
>accusing us?! Please!
Correct.
>> But I read your post to think you believe Randy's wife
>> is mail order? I have a photo of Dave's that is why
>> I said could be. I did not say yes so therefore I did not
>> speculate but you did when you said " So "Pastor" Dave's
>> wife is a mail-order bride as well?
>
>As well? You haven't proven the first accusation against
>Randy, but yet, now you pretend that you have and
>move on to accusing me, so that in the next message,
>you can pretend that accusing me as well equals proof
>that we are both guilty of your false accusation? Huh?!?
To tell you the truth, after the smoke settles, I think it
will be found that taking this route is doing their
reputations more harm than ours, as I believe it did last
time.
>> And to me that made me believe you were speculating.
>
>Your, "you made me believe that you were speculating"
>lie is just that Diana. A LIE! You're trying to escape
>being accountable for your words and we both know
>that to be the case and we both know that God sees
>what you're doing and that you're not fooling anybody!
I would agree with that.
>So here you are, after YOU ASKED for a picture of my wife
>and myself and then when I send it to you, you're going to
>use it to claim that my wife is a "mail order bride"?! What?!
And I would note here, Dave and I exchanged family pictures
years ago. Despite all the time we've spent rebuking each
other on whatever issues, and that Dave has had me in his
kill-file for quite a while now, to my knowledge, he has never
tried to betray my confidence with any personal information
that I have given him.
>You are such a good Christian, aren't you, Diana! (:
>
>
>> I just know for a fact that the two of them believe
>> that even if a wife says NO to sex that it is still a
>> man's right to have her. That is all I am sure of.
>
>You're lying again! A quote from 1 Cor 7, that says that
>neither a husband, nor a wife has the right to say no to
>the other, is not what you try to manipulate it into being!
Correct. I have never understood the Bible or secular law to
teach that whenever we see the word "have", it must be
understood as "take by force", nor is that what we ever said,
nor is that the necessary interpretation of our words, and we
plainly stated it was not. I think the degree to which some
of them tried to portray it as the lie they did, is the degree
to which they injured their own credibility.
>And if you have a problem with what it says, then hey,
>take it up with the Author! I didn't write it! But unlike
>you Diana and Kelly, I bow to God's word as the Ultimate
>Authority,
Correct.
>while you bow to your own desire to manipulate
>men to your advantage and actually think that if a man
>won't allow that, that he is a "wife beater and a rapist"!
It seems to me there is a spirit of rebellion in this country,
and that there are some who try to use victim status and guilt
to manipulate others, and seize authority and benefits for
themselves. I think the pendulum has swung way too far in
that direction for far too long, and that such tactics will
eventually implode and fall back on those who try to use them.
>What you're saying is that if both of us believe God's word,
>because the Bible says it, then that makes her a "mail order
>bride" and me a "rapist and a wife beater" and that is
>simply ridiculous!
To the degree we are stating what God has said, it's not us
some hate or rebel against, but God, His word, His authority
over their lives, and His consequences for their actions.
Correct.
>Has it ever occurred to you, that my wife and I got married
>because we love each other and that I met her here in the
>U.S. and that we both believe the Bible is God's word and
>is therefore, is the Ultimate Authority in everything and that
>1 Cor 7 goes both ways and not just one?!
Amen.
>I know, that doesn't jive with your "Diana and Kelly are God"
>scenario, but it's true anyway! <sarcastic laugh>
>
>So why is it that you never accuse our wives of being rapists,
>because they have the same rights that 1 Cor 7 affords them
>as it does us?! Why is that ladies, huh??? <chuckle!>
>
>Oh, don't worry, we all know why! It's because of your bias!
>
>Women could never be guilty of anything to you two, because
>women can do no wrong as far as you're concerned, even
>when they do, because when they do, it's somehow the man's
>fault and he manipulated them and brow-beat them into doing
>it, right? But hey, if she does something fantastic, then it's
>all her and men should pay attention so that they can be
>as smart as women, even at the times it was his idea to
>do it that way (not that it always is), right Diana and Kelly?!
>
>Yup! Just like your false accusations that you make against
>us, because we won't be brow-beaten by you and your
>anti-male agenda are right, right Diana and Kelly?! <chuckle>
>
>So while you shout out about men abusing women, even
>though your accusations against us are false, the truth is,
>that it's you and lots of women like you, who are trying to
>brow-beat men into submission just like you're doing
>right here, right now, with your lying false accusation,
>which we both know are made for that exact purpose!
There does seem to be a lot of that going on in this country.
And the sad thing is, that it inures and uses up the
credibility of real victims who may actually need help.
>And not only submission, but into a despicable manipulation,
>in which you don't even want them to be able to think for
>themselves, while you hypocritically accuse men of that
>very same thing!
>
>DIANA: Hey pal, just sign over your paycheck and shut up!
> I'll let you know when you can talk!
>
>Go ahead Diana! Try to convince us that you didn't "bitch"
>your husband into signing over his paychecks every week,
>while he was lucky to get an "allowance" at all!
I don't know. Don't fall into the trap of doing what they do.
Correct.
Correct. We met in a Christian singles chat room, on the
Internet.
>And even if she was, what does that mean? That she wanted
>to come here, but meet a man that she could love? You know,
>not all women have so many choices where they are from.
>
>But you, while you claim that women should be empowered
>and have choices, seem to want to take that choice away
>from them! Isn't it up to them? Your answer is obviously
>a resounding no! And when you answer that way, then
>you are saying that not only are women dumb, but that
>some women are so dumb, that they need you to look out
>for them, because they're incapable of making the right
>choices for themselves!
>
>And isn't it interesting that this attitude always comes from
>women who claim to be "empowering women"! <chuckle>
>
>You have been despicable at best, both you and Kelly!
--
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Jani
"Pastor Dave" <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote in message
news:mjbq45pmeifs72me7...@4ax.com...
>
> Example: You would never have accused me of having
> a "mail order bride" if I hadn't sent you a
> picture of my wife. But yet now, even after
> I told you where she's from and that she is
> A U.S. citizen by birth, you accuse me of that,
> after seeing her skin color!
"My wife is Spanish."
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.religion.christian.adventist/msg/db8727c94d39168c?hl=en
"She has lived here since she was about 14 years old."
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/5cfeb9b75cbcaadb?hl=en
So, people born in Spain and migrating to the US at the age of 14 are
considered to be US citizens *by birth*? Hardly worth doing all that
naturalisation and citizenship stuff, really.
Jani
Pastor Dave
<pulpi...@gmail.com> spake thusly:
Randy, I took you out of my kill file for today, so that
I could catch your response here and to let you know
that I see what they're doing to you through their posts,
which is why they attack me now, for telling them that
what they are doing is wrong and telling Diana, who
started it this time, only brought this garbage up,
to avoid the fact that she was proved wrong about
something else in that thread.
It's simply ridiculous and it shows who and what
they really are!
>On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:03:49 -0400,
> In newsgroup "alt.bible",
> Article <mjbq45pmeifs72me7...@4ax.com>,
> Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 16:11:01 -0400, "Diana"
>> <shech...@reborn.com> spake thusly:
>>
>>>"<<k�ll�>>" <rosie...@rocketmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Jul 2, 12:17 pm, "Diana" wrote:
>>>
>>> Kelly said:
>>> But I read your post to think you believe Randy's wife
>>> is mail order? I have a photo of Dave's that is why
>>> I said could be. I did not say yes so therefore I did not
>>> speculate but you did when you said " So "Pastor" Dave's
>>> wife is a mail-order bride as well?
>>
>> Pastor Dave said:
>> As well? You haven't proven the first accusation against
>> Randy, but yet, now you pretend that you have and
>> move on to accusing me, so that in the next message,
>> you can pretend that accusing me as well equals proof
>> that we are both guilty of your false accusation? Huh?!?
>
> To tell you the truth, after the smoke settles,
> I think it will be found that taking this route
> is doing their reputations more harm than
> ours, as I believe it did last time.
Amen! And God sees all!
>>So here you are, after YOU ASKED for a picture of my wife
>>and myself and then when I send it to you, you're going to
>>use it to claim that my wife is a "mail order bride"?! What?!
>
> And I would note here, Dave and I exchanged family pictures
> years ago. Despite all the time we've spent rebuking each
> other on whatever issues, and that Dave has had me in his
> kill-file for quite a while now, to my knowledge, he has never
> tried to betray my confidence with any personal information
> that I have given him.
And I never would. My word is my bond. A man is
his word and if a man does not have his word, then
he is nothing.
>>> I just know for a fact that the two of them believe
>>> that even if a wife says NO to sex that it is still a
>>> man's right to have her. That is all I am sure of.
>>
>> You're lying again! A quote from 1 Cor 7, that says that
>> neither a husband, nor a wife has the right to say no to
>> the other, is not what you try to manipulate it into being!
>
> Correct. I have never understood the Bible or secular law
> to teach that whenever we see the word "have", it must be
> understood as "take by force", nor is that what we ever said,
> nor is that the necessary interpretation of our words, and we
> plainly stated it was not. I think the degree to which some
> of them tried to portray it as the lie they did, is the degree
> to which they injured their own credibility.
Absolutely! In fact, Jani pasted in a link to a message
that I wrote about this, claiming that it proves how
I believe in treating my wife really badly and in reality,
the post speaks of loving my wife and what the roles
of husbands and wives are. And there is nothing in
the post that promotes abusive behavior toward
one's wife.
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2fb35b3d09e36541?hl=en
>> And if you have a problem with what it says, then hey,
>> take it up with the Author! I didn't write it! But unlike
>> you Diana and Kelly, I bow to God's word as the Ultimate
>> Authority,
>
> Correct.
Amen! We didn't write the Bible. And if they
have a problem with what God has to say about
it, then their problem is with God, not us!
And isn't it interesting how these women have
no problem banding together with unbelievers,
to promote their Femi-Nazi agenda? They have
no problem with kow-towing their husbands and
laugh at such things and yet, whine and cry and
rant, if a man even says anything close to anything
that might sound like he believes that he actually
gets to have even just an opinion and they twist
anything that is said into him being abusive
toward women.
This is the tactic of the evil, who are out to promote
their agenda and know that it's wrong and lies and
just don't care, because they want to manipulate
and kow-tow people into being forced to agree
with them. Look at how many men cower before
their wives, doing and saying, or not doing or saying,
anything that will keep their wives calm.
That is fear and it's a fear that the women not only
applaud and enjoy, but demand and won't tolerate
not getting it from their men!
>> while you bow to your own desire to manipulate
>> men to your advantage and actually think that if a man
>> won't allow that, that he is a "wife beater and a rapist"!
>
> It seems to me there is a spirit of rebellion in this country,
> and that there are some who try to use victim status and guilt
> to manipulate others, and seize authority and benefits for
> themselves. I think the pendulum has swung way too far in
> that direction for far too long, and that such tactics will
> eventually implode and fall back on those who try to use them.
Agreed! And this goes right along with what
I said above. :)
>> What you're saying is that if both of us believe God's word,
>> because the Bible says it, then that makes her a "mail order
>> bride" and me a "rapist and a wife beater" and that is
>> simply ridiculous!
>
> To the degree we are stating what God has said, it's not us
> some hate or rebel against, but God, His word, His authority
> over their lives, and His consequences for their actions.
Amen!
>> So while you shout out about men abusing women, even
>> though your accusations against us are false, the truth is,
>> that it's you and lots of women like you, who are trying to
>> brow-beat men into submission just like you're doing
>> right here, right now, with your lying false accusation,
>> which we both know are made for that exact purpose!
>
> There does seem to be a lot of that going on in this country.
> And the sad thing is, that it inures and uses up the
> credibility of real victims who may actually need help.
Amen! Its the women hurting themselves!
And they wonder why it is, with this type of attitude,
that marriages are falling apart so often now.
They demand respect, but refuse to give even
the slightest bit of respect to their husbands!
>> How could you possibly think that anyone could possibly think
>> that what you display here s the opposite of what you display
>> in real life, when it comes to this?! Your so called, "Christian
>> altitude toward men" is a joke and we both know it! If it
>> weren't, then you could NEVER, EVER say such things and
>> make such false accusations as you did here, accusing is of:
>>
>> 1) Rape.
>>
>> 2) Beating our wives.
>>
>> 3) Having mail order brides.
>>
>> No one who is Christ's, would make such accusations!
>>
>> No one, who is of Christ, would say such things about
>> people they never met!
>
> Correct.
And the funny thing is that Diana said:
"I thought Dave and I had become friends.
But I guess that's not true."
She seems to think that being friends means that
I am supposed to support such evil activity when
she does it, accusing you, which is when I had
stepped in and she seems to think that being
friends also means that I'm not even supposed
to object to her including me in her "wife beater
and rapist" accusations.
Now what kind of "friend" is that?! <chuckle!>
>> And how dare you speak of Randy's wife that way! I may not
>> be a fan of his, but I do know that his wife has been a lovely
>> woman to him and that he loves her a great deal and that
>> she is not a "mail order bride"!
>
> Correct. We met in a Christian singles chat room,
> on the Internet.
And my wife and I met in NY and she was born
a U.S. citizen. :)
Anyway, back to ignoring you. <LOL!> :)
--
Pastor Dave
The following is part of my auto-rotating sig file
and not part of the message above.
It's hard to stumble when you're down on your knees.
Dr. House
> On Thu, 02 Jul 2009 18:46:35 -0500, Randy ®
> <pulpitf...@gmail.com> spake thusly:
>
> Randy, I took you out of my kill file for today, so that
> I could catch your response here and to let you know
You are a real piece of work.
> that I see what they're doing to you through their posts,
> which is why they attack me now, for telling them that
> what they are doing is wrong and telling Diana, who
> started it this time,
Di didn't 'start it' this time. Between the two of you, you guys
posted a couple hundred lies before she brought up your past. Sensi
was sharing some good news and Randy implied certain people would not
act like Christians regarding their children and/or grandkids.
> . . . only brought this garbage up,
> to avoid the fact that she was proved wrong about
> something else in that thread.
I seriously doubt that. What was proved regarding Di? Show me a link
and quote.
The grand symphony of crickets starts now:
> It's simply ridiculous and it shows who and what
> they really are!
Clearly Di didn't like the things Randy said about Sensi's joyous
news.
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/browse_frm/thread/666d48511817454f/7f9e16cd0338daad#7f9e16cd0338daad
[...]
> >>> I just know for a fact that the two of them believe
> >>> that even if a wife says NO to sex that it is still a
> >>> man's right to have her. That is all I am sure of.
>
> >> You're lying again! A quote from 1 Cor 7, that says that
> >> neither a husband, nor a wife has the right to say no to
> >> the other, is not what you try to manipulate it into being!
>
> > Correct.
Uh, did you two just confirm that what Di said about you was correct?
You just argued that a wife does not have the _right_ to say no to her
husband. QED
> > I have never understood the Bible or secular law
> > to teach that whenever we see the word "have", it must be
> > understood as "take by force", nor is that what we ever said,
> > nor is that the necessary interpretation of our words, and we
> > plainly stated it was not. I think the degree to which some
> > of them tried to portray it as the lie they did, is the degree
> > to which they injured their own credibility.
You just argued that Di was right about you.
> Absolutely! In fact, Jani pasted in a link to a message
> that I wrote about this, claiming that it proves how
> I believe in treating my wife really badly and in reality,
> the post speaks of loving my wife and what the roles
> of husbands and wives are.
News Flash: "really badly" and "loving" could be relative.
Your speaking of "the roles of husbands and wives" might be what she
called "really badly".
> And there is nothing in
> the post that promotes abusive behavior toward
> one's wife.
>
> http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/2fb3...
>
> >> And if you have a problem with what it says, then hey,
> >> take it up with the Author! I didn't write it! But unlike
> >> you Diana and Kelly, I bow to God's word as the Ultimate
> >> Authority,
>
> > Correct.
Neither one of you can show that it is God's word. That part was
written by a _man_ named Paul. You choose to elevate it as if the
work of a man was God. Did a man create God? Your pretending that a
man's work is God does not alleviate you of the responsibility for
your actions of embracing, elevating, and emulating these words.
> Amen! We didn't write the Bible.
You will still be responsible if you murder a witch.
> And if they
> have a problem with what God has to say about
> it, then their problem is with God, not us!
You have not demonstrated that this was what God had to say. Do you
worship Paul? Apparently you worship Paul's words.
> And isn't it interesting how these women have
> no problem banding together with unbelievers,
> to promote their Femi-Nazi agenda?
I'm find your delusions interesting. Randy soured Sensi's joyous
news. There is nothing Nazi or Femi about anger over that.
> They have
> no problem with kow-towing their husbands and
> laugh at such things and yet, whine and cry and
> rant, if a man even says anything close to anything
> that might sound like he believes that he actually
> gets to have even just an opinion and they twist
> anything that is said into him being abusive
> toward women.
So you object when Di makes exaggerations and unfounded accusations
like this and yet you turn around and do the exact same thing she
does. Pick a lane.
> This is the tactic of the evil, who are out to promote
> their agenda and know that it's wrong and lies and
> just don't care, because they want to manipulate
> and kow-tow people into being forced to agree
> with them.
Interesting delusion. So you can feel the pull of reason. On some
level part of you wants to agree. And the way you fight it off is to
pretend it is evil.
The part where Di accused you two of saying a wife does not have the
right to refuse sex with her husband turned out to be true. You both
confirmed it.
> Look at how many men cower before
> their wives, doing and saying, or not doing or saying,
> anything that will keep their wives calm.
Sexism isn't the answer. No good will come of it.
> That is fear and it's a fear that the women not only
> applaud and enjoy, but demand and won't tolerate
> not getting it from their men!
Wow you know the motives of everyone. It's like you have ESP or
something. Whatever.
> >> while you bow to your own desire to manipulate
> >> men to your advantage and actually think that if a man
> >> won't allow that, that he is a "wife beater and a rapist"!
>
> > It seems to me there is a spirit of rebellion in this country,
> > and that there are some who try to use victim status and guilt
> > to manipulate others, and seize authority and benefits for
> > themselves. I think the pendulum has swung way too far in
> > that direction for far too long, and that such tactics will
> > eventually implode and fall back on those who try to use them.
>
> Agreed! And this goes right along with what
> I said above. :)
All of which doesn't apply to what anybody here said. You could not
allow Di to be the only one making exaggerations and false
accusations. You had to make your own and in greater volume. It
makes your objections to hers sound quite hollow. How can you
complain when you do it more?
And of course you just had to prove that a few of her accusations were
true.
> >> What you're saying is that if both of us believe God's word,
> >> because the Bible says it, then that makes her a "mail order
> >> bride" and me a "rapist and a wife beater" and that is
> >> simply ridiculous!
>
> > To the degree we are stating what God has said,
But you have not shown that. Is God your puppet that he says whatever
you wish for him to say?
> > it's not us
> > some hate or rebel against, but God, His word, His authority
> > over their lives, and His consequences for their actions.
No, just the Bible. You can't demonstrate any of the rest is true.
> Amen!
>
> >> So while you shout out about men abusing women, even
> >> though your accusations against us are false,
You both have confirmed the one about you thinking a wife has no right
to refuse the advances of her husband is in fact true. And it's sick.
> >>. . . the truth is,
> >> that it's you and lots of women like you, who are trying to
> >> brow-beat men into submission just like you're doing
> >> right here,
If that is the truth then let's see you prove it. Oh it's just
something you believe - isn't it?
> >> right now, with your lying false accusation,
You mean the one that is true?
> >> which we both know are made for that exact purpose!
>
> > There does seem to be a lot of that going on in this country.
> > And the sad thing is, that it inures and uses up the
> > credibility of real victims who may actually need help.
>
> Amen! Its the women hurting themselves!
You guys are sick.
> And they wonder why it is, with this type of attitude,
> that marriages are falling apart so often now.
>
> They demand respect, but refuse to give even
> the slightest bit of respect to their husbands!
I hate to break up your fantasy boys but neither one of your is
married to any of the women you have offended through your sexism in
this new group.
> >> How could you possibly think that anyone could possibly think
> >> that what you display here s the opposite of what you display
> >> in real life, when it comes to this?!
You know if Sensi and I were chatting in real life and you wandered up
and said the things you did you probably would have been hauled away
as a disturbed man.
> >> Your so called, "Christian
> >> altitude toward men" is a joke and we both know it! If it
> >> weren't, then you could NEVER, EVER say such things and
> >> make such false accusations as you did here, accusing is of:
>
> >> 1) Rape.
>
> >> 2) Beating our wives.
>
> >> 3) Having mail order brides.
>
> >> No one who is Christ's, would make such accusations!
>
> >> No one, who is of Christ, would say such things about
> >> people they never met!
>
> > Correct.
Proof?
> And the funny thing is that Diana said:
>
> "I thought Dave and I had become friends.
> But I guess that's not true."
I would like to know when. I think when she said that is important.
> She seems to think that being friends means that
> I am supposed to support such evil activity when
> she does it, accusing you, which is when I had
> stepped in and she seems to think that being
> friends also means that I'm not even supposed
> to object to her including me in her "wife beater
> and rapist" accusations.
>
> Now what kind of "friend" is that?! <chuckle!>
I've seen you make empty accusations against others. I'm going to
need proof.
> >> And how dare you speak of Randy's wife that way! I may not
> >> be a fan of his, but I do know that his wife has been a lovely
> >> woman to him and that he loves her a great deal and that
> >> she is not a "mail order bride"!
>
> > Correct. We met in a Christian singles chat room,
> > on the Internet.
>
> And my wife and I met in NY and she was born
> a U.S. citizen. :)
She did not come here at age 14?
Isn't that what you claimed on 6 Sep 2005, 08:20?
http://groups.google.co.uk/group/alt.christnet.christianlife/msg/5cfeb9b75cbcaadb?hl=en
(kudos to Jani for the research)
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.bible",
Article <kmrr455417eabropd...@4ax.com>,
Pastor Dave <ananias917_@_gmail.com> wrote:
<chuckle>
dolf
following close behind? How's that itchy vagina of yours? This use to be
a funhouse... "
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Still throwing
the f-bomb around euphemistically, Vera? ::: Jesus is just so very PROUD
:::"
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I pitched a zombie/porno to a producer in
film school once.
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Back to your
euphemistic vulgarities I see. ::: Jesus is so PROUD ::: of you, Vera. "
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Zombie-ism as Sexually Transmitted
Disease. The whole script was about unprotected sex and everyone who was
infected got infected by fucking."
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Well...at least
we now know you're reading the posts you need to."
(ru) dolf: "Ali 'G' as intense sensual prelude, Borat's what sexy feels
like and Bruno's add-lib for increased sexual desire and passion doesn't
do it for you?"
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "And, of course, everyone fucking gets
infected except the two virgins."
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "I wonder when
she's going to realise that a major part of her 'testimony' was getting
away from inadequate / abusive men."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "I think she subconsciously
uses those stories in order to attract abusive men."
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "And now she's
chasing round defending exactly the same type (except that these do it
with 'scripture')."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Not only "chasing round"
but right on the heels of Randy (and any other male who shows even just
a smidgen of interest in her) because she needs his approval. I imagine
her father was also abusive (her stories of how she would sleep in his
bed are revealing) and she's been attracting and chasing the same kind
of men ever since. There was a time when John Weatherly told her he
would propose to her with a gun held to her head and she didn't even
blink and eye. In fact, she continued to chase after him even after that."
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "Oh, and instead of saying "BRAINSSSSS" the
female zombies would moan "COCKKKKKK"
Kelly [rosie belle] Ann Siebecke (316...@gmail.com): "Excuse me,
but...what? I never said any such thing - I've never said 'don't do
works because you don't have to in order to be saved'. Funny...you
accuse Randy of putting words in people's mouths but that's exactly what
you just did to me. I'm done with you - you're poisonous."
Jani [Minx] Juicer (ja...@jani.adsl24.co.uk): "Another one with deep,
deep emotional issues."
(ru) dolf: "According to the May/June 2009 (Vol 42 No 3) edition of
Psychology Today: Failure destroys some people and scientists are
discovering that such in-utero events can have lifelong effects."
Adam Johnson (Super Schmoe): "I thought I might eventually actually
write it. Seemed pretty epic at the time." [The Joblo Movie Network,
Arrow in The Head's Porn Star Zombies (2010)]
(ru) dolf: "K�ll� or is it Kelly? What is the difference between the
cartoon Family Guy, Bruno parading the streets as a Knight with a horse
and his daughter Olive Cohen at the Farmer's Market holding a rabbit?"
- dolf
- http://www.grapple.id.au/Chronicles/kangaroo.html