Re: Love as taught in the Bible
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 26, 5:29pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> guardian Snow wrote:
>
> [..]
>>> I realize that you do not care for the truth and that you will claim
>>> the scriptures are EVIL AND Hate because you desire to continue in
>>> false worship. You should not teach our brothers when you yourself
>>> have not learned humility.
>>
>> The truth is that Jesus is man and God and one with the Father,
>> which you can't understand. You've deemed yourself wiser than God
>> and have failed miserably in attempting to comprehend Him by your
>> own logic: Ignoring Him, who after He was judged and resurrected
>> declared, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matt
>> 28:18), which makes it obvious He is God.
>
> So your point is that Snow is like everybody else? You can't
> understand what you proclaim about God. Nobody can. All you can do
> is assert and then assert that your assertions are mysteries.
>
> Oh about Matt 28:18 - why would God need to be _given_ power? It is
> not obvious. You see the problem is that the Bible does not agree
> with the Bible. That is why we have so much conflict regarding dogma.
What conflict? You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
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Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jun 26, 5:29pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> guardian Snow wrote:
>
> > [..]
> >>> I realize that you do not care for the truth and that you will claim
> >>> the scriptures are EVIL AND Hate because you desire to continue in
> >>> false worship. You should not teach our brothers when you yourself
> >>> have not learned humility.
>
> >> The truth is that Jesus is man and God and one with the Father,
> >> which you can't understand. You've deemed yourself wiser than God
> >> and have failed miserably in attempting to comprehend Him by your
> >> own logic: Ignoring Him, who after He was judged and resurrected
> >> declared, "All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth" (Matt
> >> 28:18), which makes it obvious He is God.
>
> > So your point is that Snow is like everybody else? You can't
> > understand what you proclaim about God. Nobody can. All you can do
> > is assert and then assert that your assertions are mysteries.
>
> > Oh about Matt 28:18 - why would God need to be _given_ power? It is
> > not obvious. You see the problem is that the Bible does not agree
> > with the Bible. That is why we have so much conflict regarding dogma.
>
> What conflict?
You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and so
on?
That conflict. In Christianity it's been going on at least since Paul
disagreed with the Apostles.
> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
conversation?
Fred A Stover
<snip>
Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers, but what
conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible? It is scripture which
separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the unbelieversis who
are exposed by it.
>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> conversation?
It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
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Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
> On Jun 27, 6:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> What conflict?
>
> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and so
> on?
There you go, and the devil is talking through you and your half truths.
Nobody here in ACC has said those words like you do above, liar.
TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU AND TWIST GOD'S WORD AND
THE CHRISTIAN'S WORD ELSEWHERE.
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Dr. House
No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and James.
> . . . but what
> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
each to support their own view.
> It is scripture which
> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the unbelieversis who
> are exposed by it.
That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian writing
came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings and bound
them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all regarding
Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
> >> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> >> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> > I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> > conversation?
>
> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given power.
He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by His
nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus as
Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty either (Mk
6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:e8f734e7-9ed7-43ea...@3g2000yqk.googlegroups.com,
> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> > On Jun 27, 6:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >> What conflict?
>
> > You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
> > Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and so
> > on?
>
> There you go, and the devil is talking through you and your half truths.
> Nobody here in ACC has said those words like you do above, liar.
Nobody here in ACC has called someone else Satan, fake Christian or
Heritick?
> TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU AND TWIST GOD'S WORD AND
> THE CHRISTIAN'S WORD ELSEWHERE.
I suppose you think nobody in ACC has told someone else to "Troll off"
either?
So truth serves Satan and lies serve God?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
news:9f1dcfb4-ce98-4b11...@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
>> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>
> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> conflict believers have with _other_ believes.
That would fit you well to call the hereticks "Christians", including
yourself. lol Stop it, House, it will not happen.
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:9f1dcfb4-ce98-4b11...@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> >> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>
> > No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> > conflict believers have with _other_ believes.
>
> That would fit you well to call the hereticks "Christians", including
> yourself. lol Stop it, House, it will not happen.
A large minority of Christians are in fact not Catholic. I believe
you as well are Christian yet not Catholic. If that is the case then
you are unorthodox and thus a heritic. So as one heretic to another -
why worry about who is a heretic?
What happened to your claim that nobody here in ACC has called someone
else a heretick?
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 28, 5:23am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
What does denomination have to do with it? There are Christians in most
denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
Fred A Stover
The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between believers and
non-believers. That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
doesn't make them Christians; it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
>> . . . but what
>> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
>
> Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
> each to support their own view.
What I see is people believing and presenting scriptures to confirm their
beliefs, and others twisting scripture every which way but straight
attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>> It is scripture which
>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>
> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian writing
> came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings and bound
> them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all regarding
> Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
You're confused. The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings simply recall
what was said.
>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>>
>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
>>> conversation?
>>
>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>
> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given power.
> He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by His
> nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus as
> Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty either (Mk
> 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it. I cannot
begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into scripture,
but since He already had the power and was doing God things like forgiving
sins, speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt 11:5). What
has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now extended to what
He redeemed.
Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 5:23am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Innews:9f1dcfb4-ce98-4b11...@e21g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
> >> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> >>>> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>
> >>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> >>> conflict believers have with _other_ believes.
>
> >> That would fit you well to call the hereticks "Christians", including
> >> yourself. lol Stop it, House, it will not happen.
>
> > A large minority of Christians are in fact not Catholic. I believe
> > you as well are Christian yet not Catholic. If that is the case then
> > you are unorthodox and thus a heritic. So as one heretic to another -
> > why worry about who is a heretic?
>
> > What happened to your claim that nobody here in ACC has called someone
> > else a heretick?
>
> What does denomination have to do with it?
I didn't say denomination has anything to do with it. That would be
too general.
I did mention Catholic. To be Catholic (Roman or Easter) is to be
orthodox. To be Christian, and not Catholic is to be unorthodox.
Randy, Chuck and 6 are heretics who pretend they are orthodox as if
they have the legitimacy of orthodox and then comdem others for the
very thing they themselves do.
>There are Christians in most
> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
That is not consistent with reality.
Dr. House
[...]
> >>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
> >>> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and so
> >>> on?
>
> >> <snip>
>
> >> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>
> > No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> > conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
> > between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and James.
>
> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between believers and
> non-believers.
No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
reality.
>That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
> doesn't make them Christians;
I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
> >> . . . but what
> >> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
>
> > Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
> > each to support their own view.
>
> What I see is people believing and presenting scriptures to confirm their
> beliefs, and others twisting scripture every which way but straight
> attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
Are you blind to the spin you put on that?
On one side there are people with beliefs. These are believers.
On the other side there are people with beliefs. These are unbelivers
who twist scripture every which way but strait attempting to justify
their if-I-were-God beliefs.
That both sides have beliefs are what make one believers and the other
unbelievers.
Maybe you should stop spinning.
> >> It is scripture which
> >> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
> >> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>
> > That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian writing
> > came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings and bound
> > them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all regarding
> > Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>
> You're confused.
Proof that what I said was false?
> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings simply recall
> what was said.
Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that I
am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because you
say so if-you-were-God.
> >>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> >>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> >>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> >>> conversation?
>
> >> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>
> > It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given power.
> > He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by His
> > nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus as
> > Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty either (Mk
> > 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>
> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
You cannot explain how, of course.
> I cannot
> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into scripture,
Words have meaning.
> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things like forgiving
> sins,
Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt 11:5).
Not new to the Bible.
> What
> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now extended to what
> He redeemed.
That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does not
say?
I
> TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU
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I AKA MARK TINDALL AKA TROLL AKA ... <Iam@home0000299> typed:
[...]
Fred A Stover
The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as brothers, as John
Paul II said to Billy Graham, "we are brothers." His house is not divided,
but that doesn't mean there aren't people who belong to a denomination
instead of Christ, who do attempt to divide it. It simply means they fail.
>> There are Christians in most
>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> That is not consistent with reality.
It is the reality.
Fred A Stover
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU
> As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves her enemy
Christians love their enemies, not His enemies.
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 28, 1:10pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>>>>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
>>>>> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and
>>>>> so on?
>>
>>>> <snip>
>>
>>>> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>>
>>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
>>> conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
>>> between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and James.
>>
>> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between
>> believers and non-believers.
>
> No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
> reality.
The reality is that His house is not divided. The only real division is the
walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the denominations on
the outside.
>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
>> doesn't make them Christians;
>
> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a Christian. It is
the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which makes one
a Christian. I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of heaven, and
one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to another, "They gave me an
award for perfect attendance, and told me to go to hell." He may have played
the part of a Christian, but he wasn't a Christian.
>
>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>
Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>>>> . . . but what
>>>> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
>>
>>> Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
>>> each to support their own view.
>>
>> What I see is people believing and presenting scriptures to confirm
>> their beliefs, and others twisting scripture every which way but
>> straight
>> attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>
> Are you blind to the spin you put on that?
>
> On one side there are people with beliefs. These are believers.
>
> On the other side there are people with beliefs. These are unbelivers
> who twist scripture every which way but strait attempting to justify
> their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>
> That both sides have beliefs are what make one believers and the other
> unbelievers.
It is the belief in God which constitutes Christian belief, and the other
beliefs are deceptions. He discerns between them..
>
>
> Maybe you should stop spinning.
>
>>>> It is scripture which
>>>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
>>>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>>
>>> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian writing
>>> came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings and bound
>>> them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all regarding
>>> Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>>
>> You're confused.
>
> Proof that what I said was false?
What's to prove? Jesus spoke, and the hearers who believed Him were
Christians, and what was written followed what was spoken.
>> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
>> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings
>> simply recall what was said.
>
> Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that I
> am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
> makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because you
> say so if-you-were-God.
>
Obviously you don't know Him or His scriptures. The Holy Spirit is not a man
that He plays telephone. And if He were to play telephone, He would not
confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled from person
to person. He says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
righteousness" (2Tim 3:16). The scriptures are His words revealed by His
voice within, and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
>>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>>
>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
>>>>> conversation?
>>
>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>>
>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given power.
>>> He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by His
>>> nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus as
>>> Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty either
>>> (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>>
>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>
> You cannot explain how, of course.
Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>> I cannot
>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
>> scripture,
>
> Words have meaning.
Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context of their
meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit. When someone
chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being said.
>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
>> like forgiving sins,
>
> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your head. He is
God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>
>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
>> 11:5).
>
> Not new to the Bible.
>
>> What
>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now extended
>> to what
>> He redeemed.
>
> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does not
> say?
That is exactly what it says. The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fred A Stover <fst...@tx.rr.com> typed:
> I wrote:
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU
>
>> As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves her enemy
>
> Christians love their enemies, not His enemies.
Amen.
Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jun 28, 1:10pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >>>>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
> >>>>> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and
> >>>>> so on?
>
> >>>> <snip>
>
> >>>> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>
> >>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> >>> conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
> >>> between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and James.
>
> >> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between
> >> believers and non-believers.
>
> > No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
> > reality.
>
> The reality is that His house is not divided.
Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around calling
Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What could be more
divisive than that?
> The only real division is the
> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the denominations on
> the outside.
Care to explain?
> >> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
> >> doesn't make them Christians;
>
> > I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
> > party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>
> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a Christian.
I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
what nobody asserts?
> It is
> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which makes one
> a Christian.
False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
Christian means.
> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of heaven, and
> one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to another, "They gave me an
> award for perfect attendance, and told me to go to hell." He may have played
> the part of a Christian, but he wasn't a Christian.
All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
Do you have any valid points?
> >> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
> > So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>
> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why do
you not know they were in disagreement?
> >>>> . . . but what
> >>>> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
>
> >>> Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
> >>> each to support their own view.
>
> >> What I see is people believing and presenting scriptures to confirm
> >> their beliefs, and others twisting scripture every which way but
> >> straight
> >> attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>
> > Are you blind to the spin you put on that?
>
> > On one side there are people with beliefs. These are believers.
>
> > On the other side there are people with beliefs. These are unbelivers
> > who twist scripture every which way but strait attempting to justify
> > their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>
> > That both sides have beliefs are what make one believers and the other
> > unbelievers.
>
> It is the belief in God which constitutes Christian belief, and the other
> beliefs are deceptions. He discerns between them..
Then it is not your place to tell someone with belief in God that they
are not Christian. It is not your place to judge because in your
ignorance you get it wrong - often; very often.
Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
> > Maybe you should stop spinning.
>
> >>>> It is scripture which
> >>>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
> >>>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>
> >>> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian writing
> >>> came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings and bound
> >>> them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all regarding
> >>> Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>
> >> You're confused.
>
> > Proof that what I said was false?
>
> What's to prove? Jesus spoke, and the hearers who believed Him were
> Christians, and what was written followed what was spoken.
You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
> >> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
> >> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings
> >> simply recall what was said.
>
> > Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that I
> > am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
> > makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because you
> > say so if-you-were-God.
>
> Obviously you don't know Him or His scriptures.
Because you don't like me? What nonsense. Shame of you for dividing
Christianity.
> The Holy Spirit is not a man
> that He plays telephone.
I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you are
_not_ the Holy Spirit.
> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled from person
> to person. He says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is
> profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim 3:16
refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could have meant
specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or believe a few
that did were not scripture.
>The scriptures are His words revealed by His
> voice within,
Says your belief. You have a belief.
> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says is
true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day why you
persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these you do to
him. Think about that.
> >>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> >>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> >>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> >>>>> conversation?
>
> >>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>
> >>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given power.
> >>> He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by His
> >>> nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus as
> >>> Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty either
> >>> (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>
> >> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>
> > You cannot explain how, of course.
>
> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and assumptions
you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an explanation. I
realize you will not understand.
> >> I cannot
> >> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
> >> scripture,
>
> > Words have meaning.
>
> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context of their
> meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit.
Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is dangerous.
> When someone
> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being said.
Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you couldn't.
> >> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
> >> like forgiving sins,
>
> > Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>
> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your head.
You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and range
on a wide and random range of topics.
> He is
> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
> >> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
> >> 11:5).
>
> > Not new to the Bible.
>
> >> What
> >> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now extended
> >> to what
> >> He redeemed.
>
> > That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does not
> > say?
>
> That is exactly what it says.
You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
wrong.
Dr. House
Then why can't you?
> . . . as John
> Paul II said to Billy Graham, "we are brothers."
If the leader of Roman orthodox can say this of heretics shouldn't
you, a heretic, drop the issue?
> His house is not divided,
> but that doesn't mean there aren't people who belong to a denomination
> instead of Christ, who do attempt to divide it.
You, Chuck, Randy, 6, and so on - right.
> It simply means they fail.
But you keep trying anyway. Why not stop wasting everybody's time?
> >> There are Christians in most
> >> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> > That is not consistent with reality.
>
> It is the reality.
Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
Fred A Stover
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:7ap2sdF...@mid.individual.net...
>> In
>> news:e8f734e7-9ed7-43ea...@3g2000yqk.googlegroups.com,
>> Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>> On Jun 27, 6:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> What conflict?
>>>
>>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
>>> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and
>>> so on?
>>
>> There you go, and the devil is talking through you and your half
>> truths. Nobody here in ACC has said those words like you do above,
>> liar.
>
> starting too. The three of you deserve one another.
Satan, you're a liar. I address the spirit speaking, it is your demon who
reads what is written and changes it to what you claim. And, as you've been
told again and again and still repeat your lie, identifying the heretic and
the heresy is warning others not to follow them into hell.
Do you ride a broom or a churn?
Fred A Stover
I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>> . . . as John
>> Paul II said to Billy Graham, "we are brothers."
>
> If the leader of Roman orthodox can say this of heretics shouldn't
> you, a heretic, drop the issue?
He didn't say it of a heretic. He said it of a brother in Christ. His
Spirit recognizes the brethren, the few of the many called.
>> His house is not divided,
>> but that doesn't mean there aren't people who belong to a
>> denomination instead of Christ, who do attempt to divide it.
>
> You, Chuck, Randy, 6, and so on - right.
>
>> It simply means they fail.
>
> But you keep trying anyway. Why not stop wasting everybody's time?
You're the one wasting your time, but I'm using you for an example.
>
>>>> There are Christians in most
>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>>
>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>>
>> It is the reality.
>
> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 29, 9:01am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dr. House wrote:
>>> On Jun 28, 1:10pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>>>>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like
>>>>>>> "You Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are
>>>>>>> Satan!", and so on?
>>
>>>>>> <snip>
>>
>>>>>> Of course there are conflicts between believers and unbelievers,
>>
>>>>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
>>>>> conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
>>>>> between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and
>>>>> James.
>>
>>>> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between
>>>> believers and non-believers.
>>
>>> No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
>>> reality.
>>
>> The reality is that His house is not divided.
>
> Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around calling
> Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What could be more
> divisive than that?
ADD? We've already been here. It is His House which is not divided, the
sheep of His house are divided from the goats, not of His house. Maybe if
you take notes you'll remember.
>> The only real division is the
>> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the
>> denominations on the outside.
>
> Care to explain?
The folks who come to Christ are on the inside and the folks who prefer to
serve a denomination instead are on the outside.
>
>>>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
>>>> doesn't make them Christians;
>>
>>> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
>>> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>>
>> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a Christian.
>
> I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
> what nobody asserts?
ROTFL!!!!!! You need to pay attention.
>> It is
>> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which
>> makes one a Christian.
>
> False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
> Christian means.
He defines it.
2 Tim. 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
Why don't you know that.
>> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
>> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of
>> heaven, and one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to
>> another, "They gave me an award for perfect attendance, and told me
>> to go to hell." He may have played the part of a Christian, but he
>> wasn't a Christian.
>
> All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
> claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
ROTFL!!!!!! The discussion is about Christians and people pretending to be
Christians.
>
> Do you have any valid points?
>
Again, you need to pay attention.
>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>>
>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>>
>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>
> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why do
> you not know they were in disagreement?
Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible you would have seen "faith, if
it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17). James is addressing the works of
faith, His works in us, as opposed to Pauls addressing the works of the
flesh..
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
>>>>>> . . . but what
>>>>>> conflict of dogma is there of Bible against Bible?
>>
>>>>> Just listen to how both sides in a dogma conflict quote the Bible,
>>>>> each to support their own view.
>>
>>>> What I see is people believing and presenting scriptures to confirm
>>>> their beliefs, and others twisting scripture every which way but
>>>> straight
>>>> attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>>
>>> Are you blind to the spin you put on that?
>>
>>> On one side there are people with beliefs. These are believers.
>>
>>> On the other side there are people with beliefs. These are
>>> unbelivers who twist scripture every which way but strait
>>> attempting to justify their if-I-were-God beliefs.
>>
>>> That both sides have beliefs are what make one believers and the
>>> other unbelievers.
>>
>> It is the belief in God which constitutes Christian belief, and the
>> other beliefs are deceptions. He discerns between them..
>
> Then it is not your place to tell someone with belief in God that they
> are not Christian. It is not your place to judge because in your
> ignorance you get it wrong - often; very often.
You need to pay attention. Again:
2 Tim. 3:16
All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
> Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
You lie. I defend Christianity from the unbelievers.
>>> Maybe you should stop spinning.
>>
>>>>>> It is scripture which
>>>>>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
>>>>>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>>
>>>>> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian
>>>>> writing came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings
>>>>> and bound them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all
>>>>> regarding Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>>
>>>> You're confused.
>>
>>> Proof that what I said was false?
>>
>> What's to prove? Jesus spoke, and the hearers who believed Him were
>> Christians, and what was written followed what was spoken.
>
> You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
> claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
Do you really think His followers and scriptures prededed His speaking the
words contained therein? ROTFL!!!!
>>>> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
>>>> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings
>>>> simply recall what was said.
>>
>>> Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that I
>>> am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
>>> makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because
>>> you say so if-you-were-God.
>>
>> Obviously you don't know Him or His scriptures.
>
> Because you don't like me? What nonsense. Shame of you for dividing
> Christianity.
I didn't know I didn't like you, but now that you have my curiossity up, Why
don't I like you? All I know of you show of your thinking.
>
>> The Holy Spirit is not a man
>> that He plays telephone.
>
> I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you are
> _not_ the Holy Spirit.
It is the Spirit who reveals scripture, so who else would you be suggesting
would distort the transmission as playing telephone distorts messages.
>
>> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
>> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled from
>> person to person. He says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of
>> God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
>> for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
>
> You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim 3:16
> refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could have meant
> specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or believe a few
> that did were not scripture.
1 Cor. 2:14
But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
spiritually discerned.
>
>> The scriptures are His words revealed by His
>> voice within,
>
> Says your belief. You have a belief.
Says His Spirit in His word. Why don't you know that.
>
>> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>
> No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says is
> true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day why you
> persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these you do to
> him. Think about that.
You're beginning to feel the flames and are in denial. The pursuit of unity
in sound doctrime is what Jesus refers when He speaks of the body of Christ,
the body in which its members have minds of their own: "if thine eye offend
thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter
into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell
fire" (Matt 18:9)
And what the Bible says is that the judgment of the Christians is a rewards
judgment, and it is the Christians who judge the world "the saints shall
judge the world" (1Cor 6:2).
>
>>>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
>>>>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>>
>>>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
>>>>>>> conversation?
>>
>>>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>>
>>>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given
>>>>> power. He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by
>>>>> His nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus
>>>>> as Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty
>>>>> either (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>>
>>>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>>
>>> You cannot explain how, of course.
>>
>> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>
> The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and assumptions
> you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an explanation. I
> realize you will not understand.
There are no wild leaps and assumptions. There is His Word and His Spirit,
who reveals it to His believers. You repeatedly reveal that you do not know
that. In your ignorance you deny Him twice in one sentence.
>>>> I cannot
>>>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
>>>> scripture,
>>
>>> Words have meaning.
>>
>> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context
>> of their meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit.
>
> Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is dangerous.
His fact and the belief is in Him.
>
>> When someone
>> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being said.
>
> Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you couldn't.
I did explain, and I'm waiting for you to explain what part of the
explanation you don't understand. It's all in scripture, so you'll need to
explain to me what you've missed.
>
>>>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
>>>> like forgiving sins,
>>
>>> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>>
>> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your head.
>
> You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and range
> on a wide and random range of topics.
If you read any other book the way you read scripture, the only way you
would have gotten out of school would have been to quit. Do you also see
contradictions when Dickens says "I was the best of times" and "It was the
worst of times." I see what the Author is revealing.
>> He is
>> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>
> You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
How stupid can you get? He says so: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our
Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And
declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of
holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" (Rom 1:3-4 ).
>
>>>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
>>>> 11:5).
>>
>>> Not new to the Bible.
>>
>>>> What
>>>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now
>>>> extended to what
>>>> He redeemed.
>>
>>> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does not
>>> say?
>>
>> That is exactly what it says.
>
> You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
> That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
Pay attention: He is given authority over the ones He redeemed, who were not
redeemed untill He redeemed them. Do I really have to point that out to you?
>
>> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
>
> So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
> wrong.
He doesn't covet the adversary's servants because He wouldn't, not because
He couldn't. Matthew knew that. It is you who doesn'tl
Dr. House
[...]
> Satan, you're a liar.
See a shrink.
> I address the spirit speaking, it is your demon who
> reads what is written and changes it to what you claim.
Why does reality give you so much trouble?
> And, as you've been
> told again and again and still repeat your lie, identifying the heretic and
> the heresy is warning others not to follow them into hell.
Yet you run from Catholicism. You act orthodox when you are
unorthodox.
Dr. House
[..]
> >>>>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all the
> >>>>> conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is conflict
> >>>>> between Christians - such at here in ACC or between Paul and
> >>>>> James.
>
> >>>> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between
> >>>> believers and non-believers.
>
> >>> No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
> >>> reality.
>
> >> The reality is that His house is not divided.
>
> > Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around calling
> > Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What could be more
> > divisive than that?
>
> ADD?
Subtract? Multiply? Divide?
> We've already been here.
I know you made assertions regarding this. You couldn't explain them
before and you can't now.
> It is His House which is not divided, the
> sheep of His house are divided from the goats, not of His house. Maybe if
> you take notes you'll remember.
The problem is that your claims do not make sense.
> >> The only real division is the
> >> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the
> >> denominations on the outside.
>
> > Care to explain?
>
> The folks who come to Christ are on the inside and the folks who prefer to
> serve a denomination instead are on the outside.
Why do you attack those on the inside?
> >>>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
> >>>> doesn't make them Christians;
>
> >>> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
> >>> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>
> >> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a Christian.
>
> > I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
> > what nobody asserts?
>
> ROTFL!!!!!! You need to pay attention.
Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all it
takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your accusation
with citations.
> >> It is
> >> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which
> >> makes one a Christian.
>
> > False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
> > Christian means.
>
> He defines it.
>
> 2 Tim. 3:16
> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness:
This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define scripture.
> 1 Cor. 2:14
> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
> they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
> spiritually discerned.
This does not define "Christian" either.
> Why don't you know that.
Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
> >> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
> >> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of
> >> heaven, and one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to
> >> another, "They gave me an award for perfect attendance, and told me
> >> to go to hell." He may have played the part of a Christian, but he
> >> wasn't a Christian.
>
> > All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
> > claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
>
> ROTFL!!!!!! The discussion is about Christians and people pretending to be
> Christians.
And you keep bringing up things that are irrelevant such as the idea
that claims that attendance makes one Christian or that simply
identifying oneself as Christian makes one Christian. Why bring this
up if nobody here thinks that?
> > Do you have any valid points?
>
> Again, you need to pay attention.
Let's see some valid points from you.
> >>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
> >>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>
> >> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>
> > Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why do
> > you not know they were in disagreement?
>
> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
I've seen it.
What in your delusion do you think that is telling you? It's not
telling you to make wild guesses and hurt people based on your private
beliefs.
> 1 Cor. 2:14
> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
> they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
> spiritually discerned.
Again you have the same problem.
> > Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
>
> You lie.
You can point to no lie on my part.
>I defend Christianity from the unbelievers.
By making Christianity out to be a lie by attacking believers, who you
call unbelievers, based on your delusions.
> >>> Maybe you should stop spinning.
>
> >>>>>> It is scripture which
> >>>>>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
> >>>>>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>
> >>>>> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian
> >>>>> writing came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings
> >>>>> and bound them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all
> >>>>> regarding Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>
> >>>> You're confused.
>
> >>> Proof that what I said was false?
>
> >> What's to prove? Jesus spoke, and the hearers who believed Him were
> >> Christians, and what was written followed what was spoken.
>
> > You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
> > claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
>
> Do you really think His followers and scriptures prededed His speaking the
> words contained therein? ROTFL!!!!
What are you asking?
> >>>> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
> >>>> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings
> >>>> simply recall what was said.
>
> >>> Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that I
> >>> am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
> >>> makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because
> >>> you say so if-you-were-God.
>
> >> Obviously you don't know Him or His scriptures.
>
> > Because you don't like me? What nonsense. Shame of you for dividing
> > Christianity.
>
> I didn't know I didn't like you, but now that you have my curiossity up, Why
> don't I like you?
You just lied about me with "Obviously you don't know Him or His
scriptures". What else could that possibly mean? I suppose it could
mean that you have lost all touch with reality and you are not
responsible for anything you do or say.
> All I know of you show of your thinking.
>
>
>
> >> The Holy Spirit is not a man
> >> that He plays telephone.
>
> > I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you are
> > _not_ the Holy Spirit.
>
> It is the Spirit who reveals scripture,
There is your problem. That voice inside your head is your own
voice. Don't confuse it with God and you won't be guilty of making
yourself into god. You go off half cocked and down the wrong path
constantly and it's because you believe God told you things you were
only guessing at.
> . . . so who else would you be suggesting
> would distort the transmission as playing telephone distorts messages.
In many cases those "scripture" were third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
seventh, eighth or Nth hand stories that someone heard from someone
who heard it from someone who heard it from someone before it was
written down. And then they were copied hundreds of times before any
of the copies that survived to this day were made. You act like there
is zero uncertainty when we have very good reason to be careful about
who we hurt over what we believe.
> >> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
> >> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled from
> >> person to person. He says, "All scripture is given by inspiration of
> >> God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction,
> >> for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
>
> > You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim 3:16
> > refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could have meant
> > specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or believe a few
> > that did were not scripture.
>
> 1 Cor. 2:14
> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for
> they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are
> spiritually discerned.
Same nonsense as before. Clearly you cannot present a valid argument
or else you would have by now.
> >> The scriptures are His words revealed by His
> >> voice within,
>
> > Says your belief. You have a belief.
>
> Says His Spirit in His word. Why don't you know that.
I know the voice in your head is not God because it leads you to all
kinds of wrong conclusions.
> >> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>
> > No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says is
> > true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day why you
> > persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these you do to
> > him. Think about that.
>
> You're beginning to feel the flames and are in denial.
Says that voice in your head. I'm looking for explanations and
finding that certain people could never hope to provide any.
> The pursuit of unity
> in sound doctrime is what Jesus refers when He speaks of the body of Christ,
Then you should not pursue disunity by attacking believers. And
nobody said attendance or merely identify as Christian is what makes
them Christian so lets have no more of that nonsense out of you.
> the body in which its members have minds of their own: "if thine eye offend
> thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for thee to enter
> into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to be cast into hell
> fire" (Matt 18:9)
Are you just quoting verses at random?
> And what the Bible says is that the judgment of the Christians is a rewards
> judgment, and it is the Christians who judge the world "the saints shall
> judge the world" (1Cor 6:2).
How do you know Paul was not wrong?
> >>>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> >>>>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> >>>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> >>>>>>> conversation?
>
> >>>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>
> >>>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given
> >>>>> power. He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by
> >>>>> His nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus
> >>>>> as Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty
> >>>>> either (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>
> >>>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>
> >>> You cannot explain how, of course.
>
> >> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>
> > The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and assumptions
> > you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an explanation. I
> > realize you will not understand.
>
> There are no wild leaps and assumptions.
Sure there was. You assume Jesus is almighty. That means Jesus
always had authority and no authority could be given to Jesus. You
also assume the Bible is always right. Yet Matthew says authority was
given to Jesus. That would make Jesus not almighty. Yet you assert
this all makes sense and can't explain how.
> There is His Word and His Spirit,
> who reveals it to His believers.
You believe the voice in your head is God and your private opinions
regarding a book are God's word.
> You repeatedly reveal that you do not know
> that. In your ignorance you deny Him twice in one sentence.
What delusion are you suffering from now?
> >>>> I cannot
> >>>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
> >>>> scripture,
>
> >>> Words have meaning.
>
> >> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context
> >> of their meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit.
>
> > Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is dangerous.
>
> His fact and the belief is in Him.
Lots of the Christians you attack have beliefs as well. That their
beliefs are not exactly like yours does not make them unbelievers.
Your personal delusions are not God.
> >> When someone
> >> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being said.
>
> > Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you couldn't.
>
> I did explain,
Then you don't know what "explain" means.
> . . . and I'm waiting for you to explain what part of the
> explanation you don't understand.
You make assertions and quote irrelevant Bible verses. That is not an
explanation.
> It's all in scripture, so you'll need to
> explain to me what you've missed.
The part that is not in scripture but you see when you look at the
page.
> >>>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
> >>>> like forgiving sins,
>
> >>> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>
> >> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your head.
>
> > You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and range
> > on a wide and random range of topics.
>
> If you read any other book the way you read scripture, the only way you
> would have gotten out of school would have been to quit.
This of course is false. Does it make you feel better to say such
things?
> Do you also see
> contradictions when Dickens says "I was the best of times" and "It was the
> worst of times." I see what the Author is revealing.
I don't have a problem with that. Now if Dickens had said "I love you
so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for all
eternity" that would also have a very specific meaning. It would be
sarcasm illustrating the dishonesty of evil dictators. Your ramblings
on the other hand make no sense.
> >> He is
> >> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>
> > You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
>
> How stupid can you get? He says so: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ our
> Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the flesh; And
> declared to be the Son of God with power, according to the spirit of
> holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" (Rom 1:3-4 ).
Paul wrote that. When did Paul become God? When did Paul's words
become God's words?
> >>>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
> >>>> 11:5).
>
> >>> Not new to the Bible.
>
> >>>> What
> >>>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now
> >>>> extended to what
> >>>> He redeemed.
>
> >>> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does not
> >>> say?
>
> >> That is exactly what it says.
>
> > You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
> > That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
>
> Pay attention: He is given authority over the ones He redeemed,
Because he didn't have it before it was _given_ to him thus Jesus was
not almighty. You pay attention. Words have meaning. Given is a
verb and it denotes someone has something they did not have before.
> . . . who were not
> redeemed untill He redeemed them. Do I really have to point that out to you?
Clearly you could not if your tried. But do go on imagining that you
did/would/could.
> >> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
>
> > So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
> > wrong.
>
> He doesn't covet the adversary's servants because He wouldn't, not because
> He couldn't. Matthew knew that. It is you who doesn'tl
Then Matthew lied when he wrote Jesus was "given" something. You
can't be given what you always had. But the Bible is not a collection
of various opinions held by men so clearly God is schizophrenic. NOT!
Dr. House
> >>> orthodox. To be Christian, and not Catholic is to be unorthodox.
> >>> Randy, Chuck and 6 are heretics who pretend they are orthodox as if
> >>> they have the legitimacy of orthodox and then comdem others for the
> >>> very thing they themselves do.
>
> >> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as brothers,
>
> > Then why can't you?
>
> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
> >> . . . as John
> >> Paul II said to Billy Graham, "we are brothers."
>
> > If the leader of Roman orthodox can say this of heretics shouldn't
> > you, a heretic, drop the issue?
>
> He didn't say it of a heretic.
Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes Gram
is just as much a heretic as you or I.
> He said it of a brother in Christ.
True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out your
brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
> His
> Spirit recognizes the brethren, the few of the many called.
The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads you
to the wrong conclusions.
> >> His house is not divided,
> >> but that doesn't mean there aren't people who belong to a
> >> denomination instead of Christ, who do attempt to divide it.
>
> > You, Chuck, Randy, 6, and so on - right.
>
> >> It simply means they fail.
>
> > But you keep trying anyway. Why not stop wasting everybody's time?
>
> You're the one wasting your time,
Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
time.
> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
Of what?
> >>>> There are Christians in most
> >>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> >>> That is not consistent with reality.
>
> >> It is the reality.
>
> > Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>
> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
Proof?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
news:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as brothers,
>>
>>> Then why can't you?
>>
>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>
> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> > On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as brothers,
>
> >>> Then why can't you?
>
> >> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>
> > Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>
> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of Christ
"enemies of Christ".
::: Jesus is LORD :::
news:a2468925-c1af-4411...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
So? If they are...
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:a2468925-c1af-4411...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>
> > On Jun 30, 4:01 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
> >> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> >>> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as
> >>>>>> brothers,
>
> >>>>> Then why can't you?
>
> >>>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>
> >>> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>
> >> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
>
> > I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
> > brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of Christ
> > "enemies of Christ".
>
> So? If they are...
You say "if" _when_ they are not.
If you had some logs then you could make a raft _if_ you had some
rope.
If you had four wheels then you would be a wagon. But you don't.
If the people you hate were not believers . . . but they are.
Why are they enemies of Christ? Cuz you sez so. No other reason.
Why are they evil? Only cuz you sez so.
That is a brilliant argument you have there.
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 30, 4:01pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
You are a liar. I do regard all Christians as brothers, but I don't regard
His enemies, who do not follow Christ, as brothers. It is you who attacks
Christians to defend blatant heretics.
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 30, 5:20pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
You lie again, for they are enemies of Christ because they've spoken against
Christ. You offer no scriptures and apparently ignore the ones cited by
others:
"A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of
himself" (Tit 3:10-11)
"whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matt 12:32)
Fred A Stover
I run from all "isms" to Christ, and there are many Catholics here.
Fred A Stover
> On Mon, 29 Jun 2009 11:06:01 -0500, "Fred A Stover"
> <fst...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
>> I wrote:
>>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>> TROLL OFF, AND TAKE THOSE OTHER TROLLS WITH YOU
>>
>>> As rare as a Fundamentalist who loves her enemy
>>
>> Christians love their enemies, not His enemies.
>
>
>> --
>> His,
The kind who offers choices.
Fred A Stover
Another lying fiend from hell. It's the spirits speaking in folks not
following Christ I attack.
>>>> . . . as John
>>>> Paul II said to Billy Graham, "we are brothers."
>>
>>> If the leader of Roman orthodox can say this of heretics shouldn't
>>> you, a heretic, drop the issue?
>>
>> He didn't say it of a heretic.
Of course not, he said it to Billy Graham.
> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes Gram
> is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>
Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>> He said it of a brother in Christ.
>
> True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out your
> brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
You still don't get the picture. You are the heretic advocating embracing
the children of Satan and sismissing sound doctrine. It is you and your
kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of Christ, for
it is better to be rid of the disruly members than to burn in hell with
them..
>
>> His
>> Spirit recognizes the brethren, the few of the many called.
>
> The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads you
> to the wrong conclusions.
>
More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in anyones head
and no one has suggested He did, where did you get that idea? Are you
expressing the will of the voices in your head?
>>>> His house is not divided,
>>>> but that doesn't mean there aren't people who belong to a
>>>> denomination instead of Christ, who do attempt to divide it.
>>
>>> You, Chuck, Randy, 6, and so on - right.
>>
>>>> It simply means they fail.
>>
>>> But you keep trying anyway. Why not stop wasting everybody's time?
>>
>> You're the one wasting your time,
>
> Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
> time.
You are deceived. I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians. I've
not seen you defend a single Christian.
>> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>
> Of what?
Of the absence of His Spirit. An example of a natural man trying to cope
with things spiritual. What you miss in scripture, and what you think you
see. You have no idea of what folks with discernment are seeing.
>
>>>>>> There are Christians in most
>>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>>
>>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>>
>>>> It is the reality.
>>
>>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>>
>> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>
> Proof?
Read what you write.
Fred A Stover
> On Jun 30, 10:43am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>>>>>>> No that is not what I am talking about. I'm talking about all
>>>>>>> the conflict believers have with _other_ believes. That is
>>>>>>> conflict between Christians - such at here in ACC or between
>>>>>>> Paul and James.
>>
>>>>>> The conflict isn't between Christians. The conflict is between
>>>>>> believers and non-believers.
>>
>>>>> No matter how hard you may wish this you are not going to change
>>>>> reality.
>>
>>>> The reality is that His house is not divided.
>>
>>> Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around
>>> calling Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What could
>>> be more divisive than that?
>>
>> ADD?
>
> Subtract? Multiply? Divide?
Attention Deficit Disorder?
>
>> We've already been here.
>
> I know you made assertions regarding this. You couldn't explain them
> before and you can't now.
You simply can't see or remember. When someone speaks contrary to scripture
they are not following the word made flesh. They are not following Christ.
>
>> It is His House which is not divided, the
>> sheep of His house are divided from the goats, not of His house.
>> Maybe if you take notes you'll remember.
>
> The problem is that your claims do not make sense.
Sense does not make sense to you. His sheep are in His house and the
adversaries goats are not. You on the other hand seem to think that calling
a goat a goat is attacking His sheep.
>>>> The only real division is the
>>>> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the
>>>> denominations on the outside.
>>
>>> Care to explain?
>>
>> The folks who come to Christ are on the inside and the folks who
>> prefer to serve a denomination instead are on the outside.
>
> Why do you attack those on the inside?
You lie again, its the one on the outside I attack.
>>>>>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
>>>>>> doesn't make them Christians;
>>
>>>>> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
>>>>> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>>
>>>> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a
>>>> Christian.
>>
>>> I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
>>> what nobody asserts?
>>
>> ROTFL!!!!!! You need to pay attention.
>
> Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all it
> takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your accusation
> with citations.
You did by defending blasphemers who pretend to be Christians, who
contradict scripture, and who defy Christ. And you accuse the defenders of
Christ of attacking Christians.
>
>>>> It is
>>>> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which
>>>> makes one a Christian.
>>
>>> False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
>>> Christian means.
>>
>> He defines it.
>>
>> 2 Tim. 3:16
>> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
>> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
>> righteousness:
>
> This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define scripture.
>
The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
>> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> This does not define "Christian" either.
No, but it reveals that it is the Christian who sees sense in things
Spiritual, and it is the natural man to whom it makes no sense.
>
>> Why don't you know that.
>
> Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
>
Folks with His spiritual discernment do know that.
>
>>>> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
>>>> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of
>>>> heaven, and one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to
>>>> another, "They gave me an award for perfect attendance, and told me
>>>> to go to hell." He may have played the part of a Christian, but he
>>>> wasn't a Christian.
>>
>>> All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
>>> claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
>>
>> ROTFL!!!!!! The discussion is about Christians and people pretending
>> to be Christians.
>
> And you keep bringing up things that are irrelevant such as the idea
> that claims that attendance makes one Christian or that simply
> identifying oneself as Christian makes one Christian. Why bring this
> up if nobody here thinks that?
ROTFL!!!! Then why are you defending the ones saying they are Christians but
showing they are not. Scripture tells us whoever says Jesus is not returning
in the flesh is an antichrist, yet when I address the spirit posting that as
Satan
you accuse me of attacking a Christian. Scripture tells us that God would
have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the heretic
saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment, you accuse me
of attacking a Christian. That by the way is where this thread started.
>
>
>>> Do you have any valid points?
>>
>> Again, you need to pay attention.
>
> Let's see some valid points from you.
See above.
>
>
>>>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>>
>>>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>>
>>>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>>
>>> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why
>>> do you not know they were in disagreement?
>>
>> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
>
> I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
You lie. You construct what is invalid.
>
>
>> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
>> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
>
> I've seen it.
>
Then you merely saw the words and missed what he said.
No, lying spirit, it is telling us that scripture does define doctrine and
is basis for correction. It is you who denies the ability of His spirit to
provide His discernment.
>
>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
>> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> Again you have the same problem.
Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't know they
are understood together?
>
>
>>> Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
>>
>> You lie.
>
> You can point to no lie on my part.
Point? It is one lie after another, each standing out and pointing to
itself.
>
>> I defend Christianity from the unbelievers.
>
> By making Christianity out to be a lie by attacking believers, who you
> call unbelievers, based on your delusions.
Satan you're a liar.
>
>>>>> Maybe you should stop spinning.
>>
>>>>>>>> It is scripture which
>>>>>>>> separates the believers, who are supported by it, from the
>>>>>>>> unbelieversis who are exposed by it.
>>
>>>>>>> That is not the case. Christians came first. Then Christian
>>>>>>> writing came. Much later someone choose a set of those writings
>>>>>>> and bound them into a Bible. The Bible is not the end all be all
>>>>>>> regarding Christianity. It was a result of Christianity.
>>
>>>>>> You're confused.
>>
>>>>> Proof that what I said was false?
>>
>>>> What's to prove? Jesus spoke, and the hearers who believed Him were
>>>> Christians, and what was written followed what was spoken.
>>
>>> You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
>>> claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
>>
>> Do you really think His followers and scriptures prededed His
>> speaking the words contained therein? ROTFL!!!!
>
> What are you asking?
I was asking if you really believed what you said. Did you pay attention to
what you wrote?
>>>>>> The words were spoken first, and some who heard them became
>>>>>> Christians, and continued to speak the words, and the writings
>>>>>> simply recall what was said.
>>
>>>>> Have you never played "Telephone"? You have not demonstrated that
>>>>> I am confused - only that you have a belief. Obviously your belief
>>>>> makes you a believer and my belief makes me an unbeliever because
>>>>> you say so if-you-were-God.
>>
>>>> Obviously you don't know Him or His scriptures.
>>
>>> Because you don't like me? What nonsense. Shame of you for dividing
>>> Christianity.
>>
>> I didn't know I didn't like you, but now that you have my curiossity
>> up, Why don't I like you?
>
> You just lied about me with "Obviously you don't know Him or His
> scriptures". What else could that possibly mean? I suppose it could
> mean that you have lost all touch with reality and you are not
> responsible for anything you do or say.
That's no lie. You've made it patently clear that you don't know Him. You
said I don't like you, which was news to me, so I asked you why? Since I
didn't know I didn't like you, I couldn't know why. The rest of what you
said is inane rambling.
>
>> All I know of you show of your thinking.
>>
>>>> The Holy Spirit is not a man
>>>> that He plays telephone.
>>
>>> I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you are
>>> _not_ the Holy Spirit.
Twist your lies, and make your false insinuations Satan. Having His Spirit
is not being Him, but I do have His Holy Spirit
>>
>> It is the Spirit who reveals scripture,
>
> There is your problem. That voice inside your head is your own
> voice. Don't confuse it with God and you won't be guilty of making
> yourself into god. You go off half cocked and down the wrong path
> constantly and it's because you believe God told you things you were
> only guessing at.
You still hearing those voices in your head? The Holy Sprit dwells within
and does not speak through your voices in the head. When you let Him live in
you, His thoughts are your thoughts. No voices in the head. Why don't you
know that.
>
>> . . . so who else would you be suggesting
>> would distort the transmission as playing telephone distorts
>> messages.
>
> In many cases those "scripture" were third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
> seventh, eighth or Nth hand stories that someone heard from someone
> who heard it from someone who heard it from someone before it was
> written down. And then they were copied hundreds of times before any
> of the copies that survived to this day were made. You act like there
> is zero uncertainty when we have very good reason to be careful about
> who we hurt over what we believe.
Your ignorance confounds you. There is zero uncertainty in the Spirit, for
"Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
the mouth of God" (Matt 4:4) only confuses the natural man who has no idea
of which words are His and knows not what to discern.
>
>>>> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
>>>> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled
>>>> from person to person. He says, "All scripture is given by
>>>> inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
>>>> for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
>>
>>> You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim 3:16
>>> refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could have meant
>>> specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or believe a few
>>> that did were not scripture.
>>
>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
>> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> Same nonsense as before. Clearly you cannot present a valid argument
> or else you would have by now.
The point is that the nonsense is all yours asking me to show you what we
both know you can't see.
>>>> The scriptures are His words revealed by His
>>>> voice within,
>>
>>> Says your belief. You have a belief.
>>
>> Says His Spirit in His word. Why don't you know that.
>
> I know the voice in your head is not God because it leads you to all
> kinds of wrong conclusions.
The voices in the head are yours. What I have is the indwelling of the Holy
Spirit, not voices in the head.
>>>> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>>
>>> No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says is
>>> true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day why you
>>> persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these you do to
>>> him. Think about that.
>>
>> You're beginning to feel the flames and are in denial.
>
> Says that voice in your head. I'm looking for explanations and
> finding that certain people could never hope to provide any.
No, you have the voices in the head, and they tell you there is a Salem
witch hunt, but this isn't Salem and there is no witch hunt, just your
demons.
>
>> The pursuit of unity
>> in sound doctrime is what Jesus refers when He speaks of the body of
>> Christ,
>
> Then you should not pursue disunity by attacking believers.
ROTFL!!!! Believers in the devil and his lies aren't believers in Christ.
Blasphemers and heretics aren't believers. The Lord says they are
antichrists and He says they are condemned, but you in your greater-than-God
wisdom deem them believers.
> And
> nobody said attendance or merely identify as Christian is what makes
> them Christian so lets have no more of that nonsense out of you.
You just did. See above.
>> the body in which its members have minds of their own: "if thine eye
>> offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for
>> thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to
>> be cast into hell fire" (Matt 18:9)
>
> Are you just quoting verses at random?
No that's the verses where the Lord tells us to get rid of the unruly
members of the body of Christ. Are you one of those folks who would cut off
a thief's hand so he couldn't work?
>> And what the Bible says is that the judgment of the Christians is a
>> rewards judgment, and it is the Christians who judge the world "the
>> saints shall judge the world" (1Cor 6:2).
>
> How do you know Paul was not wrong?
I know the Lord and I know His word. You obviously missed what Jesus and
John about it. Why don't you know that he isn't wrong?
>>>>>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
>>>>>>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>>
>>>>>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
>>>>>>>>> conversation?
>>
>>>>>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>>
>>>>>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given
>>>>>>> power. He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by
>>>>>>> His nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus
>>>>>>> as Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty
>>>>>>> either (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>>
>>>>>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>>
>>>>> You cannot explain how, of course.
>>
>>>> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>>
>>> The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and assumptions
>>> you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an explanation. I
>>> realize you will not understand.
>>
>> There are no wild leaps and assumptions.
>
> Sure there was. You assume Jesus is almighty. That means Jesus
> always had authority and no authority could be given to Jesus. You
> also assume the Bible is always right. Yet Matthew says authority was
> given to Jesus. That would make Jesus not almighty. Yet you assert
> this all makes sense and can't explain how.
You aren't very bright. The adversary acquired authority over all mankind at
the fall, the Lord regained authority over the circumcision in Abraham, and
redeemed the rest at the cross. He isn't your kind of God who dominates what
He can. He sets the captives free, He doesn't capture then, even Satan has
his rights for a season (Rev 12:12)
>
>> There is His Word and His Spirit,
>> who reveals it to His believers.
>
> You believe the voice in your head is God and your private opinions
> regarding a book are God's word.
Again, the voices are all in your head, His opinions are of His Spirit which
dwells within. You repeatedly deny what He proclaims of His Spirit and its
revealing all to His.
>
>> You repeatedly reveal that you do not know
>> that. In your ignorance you deny Him twice in one sentence.
>
> What delusion are you suffering from now?
No delusion, it's in the part you snipped. Don't know what you're writing?
>
>>>>>> I cannot
>>>>>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
>>>>>> scripture,
>>
>>>>> Words have meaning.
>>
>>>> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context
>>>> of their meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit.
>>
>>> Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is
>>> dangerous.
>>
>> His fact and the belief is in Him.
>
> Lots of the Christians you attack have beliefs as well. That their
> beliefs are not exactly like yours does not make them unbelievers.
> Your personal delusions are not God.
That only confuses you and others who can't discern His sheep from the goats
and the wolves in sheeps' clothing.
>>>> When someone
>>>> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being
>>>> said.
>>
>>> Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you couldn't.
>>
>> I did explain,
>
> Then you don't know what "explain" means.
>
I know what explain means, perhaps you give it a different meaning. The
explanation was above, words have meanings, not merely "a meaning" and when
someone reads the word and takes one of its different meanings they miss
what the Author is saying.
>> . . . and I'm waiting for you to explain what part of the
>> explanation you don't understand.
>
> You make assertions and quote irrelevant Bible verses. That is not an
> explanation.
The assertions are His and they are asserted in the verses, but you are
incapable of discerning their relevance. I'm not the only one who has
noticed that you have missed what is being said in every verse cited.
>> It's all in scripture, so you'll need to
>> explain to me what you've missed.
>
> The part that is not in scripture but you see when you look at the
> page.
It's all in scripture, so you need to specify what you don't think is there.
>
>>>>>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
>>>>>> like forgiving sins,
>>
>>>>> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>>
>>>> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your
>>>> head.
>>
>>> You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and range
>>> on a wide and random range of topics.
>>
>> If you read any other book the way you read scripture, the only way
>> you would have gotten out of school would have been to quit.
>
> This of course is false. Does it make you feel better to say such
> things?
Name one other book you've read the way you're reading scripture, so we can
laugh together.
>
>> Do you also see
>> contradictions when Dickens says "I was the best of times" and "It
>> was the worst of times." I see what the Author is revealing.
>
> I don't have a problem with that. Now if Dickens had said "I love you
> so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for all
> eternity" that would also have a very specific meaning. It would be
> sarcasm illustrating the dishonesty of evil dictators. Your ramblings
> on the other hand make no sense.
ROTFL!!!! You're the the one defending the ones who claimed "I love you
so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for all
eternity" is in scripture. And you have shown you've missed what was being
revealed in scripture because you assumed it was a contradiction.
>>>> He is
>>>> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>>
>>> You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
>>
>> How stupid can you get? He says so: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ
>> our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the
>> flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to
>> the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" (Rom
>> 1:3-4 ).
>
> Paul wrote that. When did Paul become God? When did Paul's words
> become God's words?
Get out of my face, Satan. The Author is God and it is His Spirit speaking
in Paul, Paul speaks in character but it is the Author who determines what
He said. Haven't you read, "the Holy Spirit Says" as in Heb 3:7.
>
>>>>>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
>>>>>> 11:5).
>>
>>>>> Not new to the Bible.
>>
>>>>>> What
>>>>>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now
>>>>>> extended to what
>>>>>> He redeemed.
>>
>>>>> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does
>>>>> not say?
>>
>>>> That is exactly what it says.
>>
>>> You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
>>> That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
>>
>> Pay attention: He is given authority over the ones He redeemed,
>
> Because he didn't have it before it was _given_ to him thus Jesus was
> not almighty. You pay attention. Words have meaning. Given is a
> verb and it denotes someone has something they did not have before.
What an idiot! He didn't have authority over the ones redeemed because they
weren't redeemed yet. When they are redeemed and the captives are set free
they are no longer under the Satan's authority. That He sets the captives
free instead making them His captives, is not a matter of His lacking the
might; it is a matter of His word. That He gives Satan his time is not a
matter of might, for He ends it when Satan's time is up. .
>
>> . . . who were not
>> redeemed untill He redeemed them. Do I really have to point that out
>> to you?
>
> Clearly you could not if your tried. But do go on imagining that you
> did/would/could.
>
You're probably right. It's beyond you.
>
>>>> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
>>
>>> So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
>>> wrong.
>>
>> He doesn't covet the adversary's servants because He wouldn't, not
>> because He couldn't. Matthew knew that. It is you who doesn'tl
>
> Then Matthew lied when he wrote Jesus was "given" something. You
> can't be given what you always had. But the Bible is not a collection
> of various opinions held by men so clearly God is schizophrenic. NOT!
ROTFL!!! It is you who lies, and your being schizophrenic would explain a
lot of things.
Dr. House
wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
You say they have spoken against Christ _when_they_have_not_!
Yet you do not get that this makes you the liar.
> You offer no scriptures
There are no scriptures that refer to 21st century Usenet posters.
> . . . and apparently ignore the ones cited by
> others:
I read them and see they are irrelevant. What is there to say?
> "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
You are a heretic. So that is how we should treat you?
> knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of
> himself" (Tit 3:10-11)
>
> "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him,
> neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matt 12:32)
Who has spoken against the Holy Spirit? Again you make things up.
Your lies make you honest and truth makes me the liar - right?
Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jun 30, 4:01pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
> >> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
> >> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
> >>> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
> >>>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as
> >>>>>> brothers,
>
> >>>>> Then why can't you?
>
> >>>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>
> >>> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>
> >> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
>
> > I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
> > brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of Christ
> > "enemies of Christ".
>
> You are a liar. I do regard all Christians as brothers,
Not the ones you call enemies of Christ. When you say these untrue
things about others you are lying.
> . . . but I don't regard
> His enemies, who do not follow Christ, as brothers.
Even though they follow, believe in and serve Jesus.
> It is you who attacks
> Christians to defend blatant heretics.
No, I defend Christians from you and those like you.
Dr. House
[...]
> > Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes Gram
> > is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>
> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise stop
pretending.
>
> >> He said it of a brother in Christ.
>
> > True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out your
> > brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
>
> You still don't get the picture.
That you say things that are not true about others. Oh that is loud
and clear.
> You are the heretic advocating embracing
> the children of Satan and sismissing sound doctrine.
See what I mean? You say things about me that are not true and you
can't wrap your mind around the idea that these false things are lies.
> It is you and your
> kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of Christ,
You don't know Christ said that.
> . . . for
> it is better to be rid of the disruly members than to burn in hell with
> them . .
You don't know anything about Christianity. The sad part is that had
you been born a few hundred years ago you would be the one they would
burn at the state as a heretic.
[...]
> > The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads you
> > to the wrong conclusions.
>
> More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in anyones head
> and no one has suggested He did, where did you get that idea?
Either you are in the same boat as the rest of us with nothing. Or
you have "discernment" which is your own imagination leading you to
attack people. You claim to have special knowledge that I don't well
guess what that is.
> Are you
> expressing the will of the voices in your head?
Nope. I'm just smacking a bully with the truth.
[..]
> > Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
> > time.
>
> You are deceived.
You claim this based on what? Cuz you sez so?
> I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians.
Thus you are delusional.
> I've
> not seen you defend a single Christian.
See a shrink.
> >> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>
> > Of what?
>
> Of the absence of His Spirit.
That one that misleads you and confuses you? That isn't God.
> An example of a natural man trying to cope
> with things spiritual. What you miss in scripture, and what you think you
> see. You have no idea of what folks with discernment are seeing.
Ah there you go with the voice in your head again. You got that
discernment that leads you to all sorts of wrong conclusions - chiefly
among them is that it does not lead you to wrong conclusions.
> >>>>>> There are Christians in most
> >>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> >>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>
> >>>> It is the reality.
>
> >>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>
> >> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>
> > Proof?
>
> Read what you write.
Once again you give the bankrupt answer. You can't support your
claims. All you can do is brag about how your wonderful discernment
leads you right as you keep getting it wrong.
Dr. House
[..]
> > Yet you run from Catholicism. You act orthodox when you are
> > unorthodox.
>
> I run from all "isms" to Christ, and there are many Catholics here.
Thus you are as much a heretic as anybody you persecute. Why do you
attack others for being in heresy just like you?
Dr. House
[...]
> >>> Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around
> >>> calling Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What could
> >>> be more divisive than that?
>
> >> ADD?
>
> > Subtract? Multiply? Divide?
>
> Attention Deficit Disorder?
I can't diagnose your problem based only on your posts. See a shrink
and they will help you.
> >> We've already been here.
>
> > I know you made assertions regarding this. You couldn't explain them
> > before and you can't now.
>
> You simply can't see or remember.
I do both just fine. However I know what "explain" means.
> When someone speaks contrary to scripture
> they are not following the word made flesh.
Scripture speaks contrary to scripture.
> They are not following Christ.
Your claim is false due to the contradiction.
> >> It is His House which is not divided, the
> >> sheep of His house are divided from the goats, not of His house.
> >> Maybe if you take notes you'll remember.
>
> > The problem is that your claims do not make sense.
>
> Sense does not make sense to you.
I do fine with it. Give it a try.
> His sheep are in His house and the
> adversaries goats are not.
When you assert things about people that are not true that is not
sense. Sorry but you don't get to decide who is a sheep and who is a
goat based on how much you like what they have to say.
> You on the other hand seem to think that calling
> a goat a goat is attacking His sheep.
No, I think calling a sheep "goat" is dishonest.
> >>>> The only real division is the
> >>>> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the
> >>>> denominations on the outside.
>
> >>> Care to explain?
>
> >> The folks who come to Christ are on the inside and the folks who
> >> prefer to serve a denomination instead are on the outside.
>
> > Why do you attack those on the inside?
>
> You lie again, its the one on the outside I attack.
It's your accusation and it is based on _nothing_. It's your lie. I
happen to know for a fact that one of those you attack loves Jesus.
You don't know a thing about it but you attack anyway. All that while
you feel justified because the voice in your head said to do it.
> >>>>>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
> >>>>>> doesn't make them Christians;
>
> >>>>> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
> >>>>> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>
> >>>> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a
> >>>> Christian.
>
> >>> I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
> >>> what nobody asserts?
>
> >> ROTFL!!!!!! You need to pay attention.
>
> > Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all it
> > takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your accusation
> > with citations.
>
> You did by defending blasphemers . . .
Don't lie.
> . . . who pretend to be Christians,
Don't lie.
> . . .who
> contradict scripture,
Don't lie. Scripture contradicts scripture.
> . . . and who defy Christ.
Don't lie.
>And you accuse the defenders of
> Christ of attacking Christians.
I am the defender of Christ. You embarrass Christianity by making it
look like a club for hate-mongers and idiots.
> >>>> It is
> >>>> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit, which
> >>>> makes one a Christian.
>
> >>> False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
> >>> Christian means.
>
> >> He defines it.
>
> >> 2 Tim. 3:16
> >> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
> >> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> >> righteousness:
>
> > This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define scripture.
>
> The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
It does in the Bible.
> >> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> >> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
> >> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> > This does not define "Christian" either.
>
> No, but it reveals that it is the Christian who sees sense in things
> Spiritual, and it is the natural man to whom it makes no sense.
This doesn't mean the things you think you know are real.
> >> Why don't you know that.
>
> > Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
>
> Folks with His spiritual discernment do know that.
Cuz you sez so.
> >>>> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
> >>>> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of
> >>>> heaven, and one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to
> >>>> another, "They gave me an award for perfect attendance, and told me
> >>>> to go to hell." He may have played the part of a Christian, but he
> >>>> wasn't a Christian.
>
> >>> All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
> >>> claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
>
> >> ROTFL!!!!!! The discussion is about Christians and people pretending
> >> to be Christians.
>
> > And you keep bringing up things that are irrelevant such as the idea
> > that claims that attendance makes one Christian or that simply
> > identifying oneself as Christian makes one Christian. Why bring this
> > up if nobody here thinks that?
>
> ROTFL!!!! Then why are you defending the ones saying they are Christians but
> showing they are not.
When are you going to stop beating your mother?
I provide this as an example for you to see that loaded questions are
not productive so that perhaps you will stop using them.
> Scripture tells us whoever says Jesus is not returning
> in the flesh is an antichrist,
You have no idea if God said this.
You have no clue that people denied this even though you look right at
a post when the topic is not there.
> . . . yet when I address the spirit posting that as
> Satan
> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
See a shrink. Maybe they can give you medication that will clear it
up.
> Scripture tells us that God would
> have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the heretic . . .
You are a heretic. Shouldn't you address your own heresy first?
> . . . saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment, you accuse me
> of attacking a Christian.
You are a heretic who won't forgive other heretics. Yeah it's a
problem for you.
> That by the way is where this thread started.
>
>
>
> >>> Do you have any valid points?
>
> >> Again, you need to pay attention.
>
> > Let's see some valid points from you.
>
> See above.
You provided none.
> >>>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
> >>>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>
> >>>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>
> >>> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why
> >>> do you not know they were in disagreement?
>
> >> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
>
> > I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
>
> You lie.
The voices in your head tell you things about me that are not true?
They are not from God. They certainly are not God. God wouldn't tell
you things that are false.
> You construct what is invalid.
You wouldn't know. This isn't your cup of tea.
> >> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
> >> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
>
> > I've seen it.
>
> Then you merely saw the words and missed what he said.
You tell me what I already know. Then you tell me that I did not know
it and I did not see it. I inform you that I have seen it. You call
me a liar for it. Yet I didn't miss anything. I have no response to
the things you bring up because they are irrelevant, not because I
don't know them.
So it _is_ telling you to make wild guesses and hurt people based on
your private beliefs? Wow you are worse than I feared. See a shrink
pronto.
> . . . it is telling us that scripture does define doctrine and
> is basis for correction.
And it defines scripture where?
> It is you who denies the ability of His spirit to
> provide His discernment.
I have never done that. Don't mix up my comments about the voices in
your head with claims I make about God. They are not the same thing
at all.
> >> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> >> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
> >> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> > Again you have the same problem.
>
> Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't know they
> are understood together?
What are you talking about now?
> >>> Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
>
> >> You lie.
>
> > You can point to no lie on my part.
>
> Point? It is one lie after another, each standing out and pointing to
> itself.
Pssssst - the word "lie" does not mean I express an opinion that does
not match your opinion.
> >> I defend Christianity from the unbelievers.
>
> > By making Christianity out to be a lie by attacking believers, who you
> > call unbelievers, based on your delusions.
>
> Satan you're a liar.
Losing touch with reality?
[..]
> >>> You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
> >>> claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
>
> >> Do you really think His followers and scriptures prededed His
> >> speaking the words contained therein? ROTFL!!!!
>
> > What are you asking?
>
> I was asking if you really believed what you said.
Of course I believe what I said. But I didn't say Christians and
scriptures 'prededed' (?) Jesus speaking the word contained in the
Bible.
> Did you pay attention to
> what you wrote?
Apparently better than you did.
[...]
> > You just lied about me with "Obviously you don't know Him or His
> > scriptures". What else could that possibly mean? I suppose it could
> > mean that you have lost all touch with reality and you are not
> > responsible for anything you do or say.
>
> That's no lie.
It is a false statement and a reasonable person in your position would
know it was false. Yet you made it anyway. Do you not know what
"lie" means?
> You've made it patently clear that you don't know Him.
That is just something those voices tell you. That they feed you
misinformation indicates they cannot be trusted.
> You
> said I don't like you, which was news to me, so I asked you why? Since I
> didn't know I didn't like you, I couldn't know why. The rest of what you
> said is inane rambling.
Yeah a year's worth of insults from you is no evidence that you don't
like someone.
> >> All I know of you show of your thinking.
>
> >>>> The Holy Spirit is not a man
> >>>> that He plays telephone.
>
> >>> I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you are
> >>> _not_ the Holy Spirit.
>
> Twist your lies,
What lies? Again you don't seem to understand what the word means.
> . . . and make your false insinuations Satan.
Hello? Reality giving you trouble. Stay with me. We are on earth.
It's 2009. Do you know who is President of the US? Try to remember I
am human.
> Having His Spirit
> is not being Him, but I do have His Holy Spirit
Is that what you think leads you to do what you do?
> >> It is the Spirit who reveals scripture,
>
> > There is your problem. That voice inside your head is your own
> > voice. Don't confuse it with God and you won't be guilty of making
> > yourself into god. You go off half cocked and down the wrong path
> > constantly and it's because you believe God told you things you were
> > only guessing at.
>
> You still hearing those voices in your head?
Nope, try not to project.
> The Holy Sprit dwells within
> and does not speak through your voices in the head. When you let Him live in
> you, His thoughts are your thoughts.
Then why do you call Christians enemies of Christ?
> No voices in the head. Why don't you
> know that.
If you think you do then let's see the proof.
I hear a cricket symphony coming on.
> >> . . . so who else would you be suggesting
> >> would distort the transmission as playing telephone distorts
> >> messages.
>
> > In many cases those "scripture" were third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
> > seventh, eighth or Nth hand stories that someone heard from someone
> > who heard it from someone who heard it from someone before it was
> > written down. And then they were copied hundreds of times before any
> > of the copies that survived to this day were made. You act like there
> > is zero uncertainty when we have very good reason to be careful about
> > who we hurt over what we believe.
>
> Your ignorance confounds you.
What ignorance? To be sure there are many things I don't know. But
can you identify them? No, this is just a wild accusation you toss
out.
> There is zero uncertainty in the Spirit,
Show me proof then. Ah, you are bankrupt . . .
> for
> "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that proceedeth out of
> the mouth of God" (Matt 4:4)
Got anything relevant to this conversation?
> . . . only confuses the natural man who has no idea
> of which words are His and knows not what to discern.
I could make guesses that are just as lost as yours. That I choose to
not do so doesn't mean I could not.
> >>>> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
> >>>> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled
> >>>> from person to person. He says, "All scripture is given by
> >>>> inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
> >>>> for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
>
> >>> You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim 3:16
> >>> refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could have meant
> >>> specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or believe a few
> >>> that did were not scripture.
>
> >> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> >> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because
> >> they are spiritually discerned.
>
> > Same nonsense as before. Clearly you cannot present a valid argument
> > or else you would have by now.
>
> The point is that the nonsense is all yours asking me to show you what we
> both know you can't see.
I sell pictures of invisible pink unicorns. Would you like to buy
one?
> >>>> The scriptures are His words revealed by His
> >>>> voice within,
>
> >>> Says your belief. You have a belief.
>
> >> Says His Spirit in His word. Why don't you know that.
>
> > I know the voice in your head is not God because it leads you to all
> > kinds of wrong conclusions.
>
> The voices in the head are yours.
No no no. I'm not responsible for your voices. I didn't send them
either. Look, stop listening to them and then they won't have any
power over you.
> What I have is the indwelling of the Holy
> Spirit, not voices in the head.
So you think the Holy Spirit is what tells you to do what you do? Do
you have any idea how wack that is?
> >>>> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>
> >>> No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says is
> >>> true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day why you
> >>> persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these you do to
> >>> him. Think about that.
>
> >> You're beginning to feel the flames and are in denial.
>
> > Says that voice in your head. I'm looking for explanations and
> > finding that certain people could never hope to provide any.
>
> No, you have the voices in the head,
Projecting again. Look you can't get cured by pretending your problem
belongs to others.
> . . . and they tell you there is a Salem
> witch hunt,
Nah, you and your posts do that.
> but this isn't Salem and there is no witch hunt, just your
> demons.
See a shrink. They have medicine that might clear that up.
> >> The pursuit of unity
> >> in sound doctrime is what Jesus refers when He speaks of the body of
> >> Christ,
>
> > Then you should not pursue disunity by attacking believers.
>
> ROTFL!!!! Believers in the devil and his lies aren't believers in Christ.
I was talking about believers in Christ whom you attack.
> Blasphemers and heretics aren't believers.
So as a heretic, you think you are not a believer? If that is the
problem I can assure you that lots of Christians are not Catholic.
You don't have to be Catholic to follow and believe in Christ.
> The Lord says they are
> antichrists and He says they are condemned, but you in your greater-than-God
> wisdom deem them believers.
You cannot show that the Lord says the people I am talking about are
antichrists. All you can do is proclaim it. Where did this idea come
from? It's internal to you isn't it?
> > And
> > nobody said attendance or merely identify as Christian is what makes
> > them Christian so lets have no more of that nonsense out of you.
>
> You just did. See above.
I did not. You could look at a blank screen and see things that are
not there.
> >> the body in which its members have minds of their own: "if thine eye
> >> offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better for
> >> thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two eyes to
> >> be cast into hell fire" (Matt 18:9)
>
> > Are you just quoting verses at random?
>
> No that's the verses where the Lord tells us to get rid of the unruly
> members of the body of Christ.
It doesn't say get rid of the unruly members of the body of Christ.
It says pull out the members of your own body that hold you back. But
for the record I recommend you don't do that. Please don't.
> Are you one of those folks who would cut off
> a thief's hand so he couldn't work?
No, I favor jail time. But I believe the "off with their hand"
penalty had to do with having to use the same hand for clean and
unclean tasks - not pleasant prior to modern conveniences.
> >> And what the Bible says is that the judgment of the Christians is a
> >> rewards judgment, and it is the Christians who judge the world "the
> >> saints shall judge the world" (1Cor 6:2).
>
> > How do you know Paul was not wrong?
>
> I know the Lord and I know His word.
Either you can prove it or it's internal to you.
> You obviously missed what Jesus and
> John about it. Why don't you know that he isn't wrong?
Proof? Oh you don't do proof.
>
> >>>>>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die, but
> >>>>>>>>>> after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>
> >>>>>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
> >>>>>>>>> conversation?
>
> >>>>>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>
> >>>>>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given
> >>>>>>> power. He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power by
> >>>>>>> His nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see Jesus
> >>>>>>> as Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as Almighty
> >>>>>>> either (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>
> >>>>>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand it.
>
> >>>>> You cannot explain how, of course.
>
> >>>> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>
> >>> The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and assumptions
> >>> you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an explanation. I
> >>> realize you will not understand.
>
> >> There are no wild leaps and assumptions.
>
> > Sure there was. You assume Jesus is almighty. That means Jesus
> > always had authority and no authority could be given to Jesus. You
> > also assume the Bible is always right. Yet Matthew says authority was
> > given to Jesus. That would make Jesus not almighty. Yet you assert
> > this all makes sense and can't explain how.
>
> You aren't very bright.
Do you have any valid points to offer?
> The adversary acquired authority over all mankind at
> the fall,
So God is not almighty? You agree with Mark and Matthew then.
> the Lord regained authority over the circumcision in Abraham, and
> redeemed the rest at the cross.
Too bad He didn't save the children of Ai.
> He isn't your kind of God who dominates what
> He can.
Proof? Or you were sharing an idea that was internal to you?
> He sets the captives free, He doesn't capture then, even Satan has
> his rights for a season (Rev 12:12)
So God would not be almighty?
> >> There is His Word and His Spirit,
> >> who reveals it to His believers.
>
> > You believe the voice in your head is God and your private opinions
> > regarding a book are God's word.
>
> Again, the voices are all in your head,
Now you can't tell the difference between my mind and yours? Whatever
you experience is your mind and not my mind. Trust me.
> His opinions are of His Spirit which
> dwells within. You repeatedly deny what He proclaims of His Spirit and its
> revealing all to His.
Proof?
> >> You repeatedly reveal that you do not know
> >> that. In your ignorance you deny Him twice in one sentence.
>
> > What delusion are you suffering from now?
>
> No delusion, it's in the part you snipped. Don't know what you're writing?
I know what I write. I can't always tell what you mean. What did I
deny?
> >>>>>> I cannot
> >>>>>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things into
> >>>>>> scripture,
>
> >>>>> Words have meaning.
>
> >>>> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the context
> >>>> of their meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by His Spirit.
>
> >>> Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is
> >>> dangerous.
>
> >> His fact and the belief is in Him.
>
> > Lots of the Christians you attack have beliefs as well. That their
> > beliefs are not exactly like yours does not make them unbelievers.
> > Your personal delusions are not God.
>
> That only confuses you and others who can't discern His sheep from the goats
> and the wolves in sheeps' clothing.
They all have imaginations which are every bit as active and creative
as yours. Most of them more so. But they don't confuse their
imagination for the voice of God. See the difference?
> >>>> When someone
> >>>> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being
> >>>> said.
>
> >>> Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you couldn't.
>
> >> I did explain,
>
> > Then you don't know what "explain" means.
>
> I know what explain means,
Then you lied when you said you did explain. You can't get around
this. You were suppose to explain. You didn't. You said you did.
This does not add up.
> . . . perhaps you give it a different meaning. The
> explanation was above, words have meanings, not merely "a meaning" and when
> someone reads the word and takes one of its different meanings they miss
> what the Author is saying.
>
> >> . . . and I'm waiting for you to explain what part of the
> >> explanation you don't understand.
>
> > You make assertions and quote irrelevant Bible verses. That is not an
> > explanation.
>
> The assertions are His and they are asserted in the verses, but you are
> incapable of discerning their relevance.
Nobody can tell what you imagine because we don't share your mind.
Only you know what you imagine.
> I'm not the only one who has
> noticed that you have missed what is being said in every verse cited.
You mean you are not the only one who is wrong? Let me guess, Dave,
Chuck, 6, and Randy all reached the same wrong conclusion? You all
seem to suffer the same problem.
> >> It's all in scripture, so you'll need to
> >> explain to me what you've missed.
>
> > The part that is not in scripture but you see when you look at the
> > page.
>
> It's all in scripture, so you need to specify what you don't think is there.
I have been all along. You tend to ignore my comments, deny them or
call me Satan for them.
> >>>>>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God things
> >>>>>> like forgiving sins,
>
> >>>>> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>
> >>>> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your
> >>>> head.
>
> >>> You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and range
> >>> on a wide and random range of topics.
>
> >> If you read any other book the way you read scripture, the only way
> >> you would have gotten out of school would have been to quit.
>
> > This of course is false. Does it make you feel better to say such
> > things?
>
> Name one other book you've read the way you're reading scripture, so we can
> laugh together.
All of them. Every book I read is a book I read. This stuff isn't
rocket surgery.
> >> Do you also see
> >> contradictions when Dickens says "I was the best of times" and "It
> >> was the worst of times." I see what the Author is revealing.
>
> > I don't have a problem with that. Now if Dickens had said "I love you
> > so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for all
> > eternity" that would also have a very specific meaning. It would be
> > sarcasm illustrating the dishonesty of evil dictators. Your ramblings
> > on the other hand make no sense.
>
> ROTFL!!!! You're the the one defending the ones who claimed "I love you
> so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for all
> eternity" is in scripture.
Haven't read Leviticus and the Gospel of John? 1 + 1 = 2
> And you have shown you've missed what was being
> revealed in scripture because you assumed it was a contradiction.
It was a contradiction. There was no assumption about it.
> >>>> He is
> >>>> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>
> >>> You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
>
> >> How stupid can you get? He says so: "Concerning his Son Jesus Christ
> >> our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to the
> >> flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according to
> >> the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" (Rom
> >> 1:3-4 ).
>
> > Paul wrote that. When did Paul become God? When did Paul's words
> > become God's words?
>
> Get out of my face, Satan.
Now Satan is chasing you around the room? Well don't let him catch
you. Whatever you do don't sign anything with your own blood.
>The Author is God and it is His Spirit speaking
Then why did God lie and say the author is Paul?
> in Paul, Paul speaks in character but it is the Author who determines what
> He said. Haven't you read, "the Holy Spirit Says" as in Heb 3:7.
Yeah even the parts of Paul's letters that Paul says are not God's
word are God's word because God inspired Paul to write that those
parts were not inspired by God because God lies? -> <-
> >>>>>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
> >>>>>> 11:5).
>
> >>>>> Not new to the Bible.
>
> >>>>>> What
> >>>>>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now
> >>>>>> extended to what
> >>>>>> He redeemed.
>
> >>>>> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does
> >>>>> not say?
>
> >>>> That is exactly what it says.
>
> >>> You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
> >>> That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
>
> >> Pay attention: He is given authority over the ones He redeemed,
>
> > Because he didn't have it before it was _given_ to him thus Jesus was
> > not almighty. You pay attention. Words have meaning. Given is a
> > verb and it denotes someone has something they did not have before.
>
> What an idiot!
Got any valid points?
> He didn't have authority . . .
When he was not _all_ mighty. Now was there a time when Christ was
not _all_ mighty?
> . . . over the ones redeemed because they
> weren't redeemed yet.
If God doesn't have authority over the unredeemed then God is not all
mighty.
> When they are redeemed and the captives are set free
> they are no longer under the Satan's authority. That He sets the captives
> free instead making them His captives, is not a matter of His lacking the
> might; it is a matter of His word. That He gives Satan his time is not a
> matter of might, for He ends it when Satan's time is up. .
You really don't understand these concepts.
> >> . . . who were not
> >> redeemed untill He redeemed them. Do I really have to point that out
> >> to you?
>
> > Clearly you could not if your tried. But do go on imagining that you
> > did/would/could.
>
> You're probably right. It's beyond you.
No I get it just fine. I know what the word "all" means.
Consequently I know what almighty means.
> >>>> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
>
> >>> So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
> >>> wrong.
>
> >> He doesn't covet the adversary's servants because He wouldn't, not
> >> because He couldn't. Matthew knew that. It is you who doesn'tl
>
> > Then Matthew lied when he wrote Jesus was "given" something. You
> > can't be given what you always had. But the Bible is not a collection
> > of various opinions held by men so clearly God is schizophrenic. NOT!
>
> ROTFL!!! It is you who lies, and your being schizophrenic would explain a
> lot of things.
Only in your world. Only in your world.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
Fred A Stover <fst...@tx.rr.com> typed:
> Dr. House wrote:
>> On Jun 30, 4:01pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
>>> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>>
>>>> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as
>>>>>>> brothers,
>>>
>>>>>> Then why can't you?
>>>
>>>>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>>>
>>>> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>>>
>>> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
>>
>> I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
>> brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of Christ
>> "enemies of Christ".
>
> You are a liar. I do regard all Christians as brothers, but I don't
> regard His enemies, who do not follow Christ, as brothers. It is you
> who attacks Christians to defend blatant heretics.
Correct!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
::: Jesus is LORD :::
news:7b08282d-ae19-48c1...@l31g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
Christians? You would not recognise a Christian...
::: Jesus is LORD :::
In
news:4f055b08-c917-4b17...@a36g2000yqc.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
::: Jesus is LORD :::
news:f11ec350-164f-4003...@d32g2000yqh.googlegroups.com,
Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
Eh?
House, pleazzzzzzze TROLL OFF!!!
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>> X-No-Archive: Yes
>>
>>
>>
>> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
>> news:7ap2sdF...@mid.individual.net...
>>> In
>>> news:e8f734e7-9ed7-43ea...@3g2000yqk.googlegroups.com,
>>> Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>>> On Jun 27, 6:52 pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>> What conflict?
>>>>
>>>> You have not seen all the people in ACC who post things like "You
>>>> Heritick!!!", "You're a FAKE Christian!!!", "You are Satan!", and
>>>> so on?
>>>
>>> truths. Nobody here in ACC has said those words like you do above,
>>> liar.
>>
>> You are a complete liar. Yes you and Fred both have and Randy is now
>> starting too. The three of you deserve one another.
>
> Satan, you're a liar. I address the spirit speaking, it is your demon
> who reads what is written and changes it to what you claim. And, as
> you've been told again and again and still repeat your lie,
> identifying the heretic and the heresy is warning others not to
> follow them into hell.
Correct.
>
> Do you ride a broom or a churn?
lol
Dr. House
wrote:
[...]
> >> I run from all "isms" to Christ, and there are many Catholics here.
>
> > Thus you are as much a heretic as anybody you persecute. Why do you
> > attack others for being in heresy just like you?
>
> Eh?
Heretic means not Catholic. You guys act like it's such a big deal,
that you are not hypocrites, and that you have all the prestege, pomp
and legitimacy of orthodox behind you while you yourself are
_un_orthodox.
Dr. House
wrote:
[..]
> > Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>
> lol
Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
r m
It could also mean factious or divisive as per Titus 3:10 "Reject a
DIVISIVE man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such
a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned" - NKJV.
Cheers.
I
>> Heretic means not Catholic.
...
> It could also mean factious or divisive as per Titus 3:10 "Reject a
> DIVISIVE man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such
> a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned" - NKJV.
WHO decides who is "divisive"?????
ALL Protestants were divisive in the eyes of the Catholic Church.
Dr. House
Or we could go by what the word means in English. Then the "divisive"
people would be those who turn to their brothers and sisters in Christ
and call them "enemies of Christ".
I'm going to go with that.
Either way 6 and Stover are heretics. That in itself would be
virtually meaningless if it were not for their hypocrisy for hunting
and exposing "heretics".
Chuck
"r m" <roy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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Very doubtful
>
> Cheers.
Randy �
In newsgroup "alt.christnet.christianlife",
Article
<37c0452c-2ad5-4272...@h2g2000yqg.googlegroups.com>,
Subject: Re: Love as taught in the Bible
r m <roy...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Jul 2, 12:51 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>> On Jul 1, 5:48 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>
>> > >> I run from all "isms" to Christ, and there are many Catholics here.
>>
>> > > Thus you are as much a heretic as anybody you persecute. Why do you
>> > > attack others for being in heresy just like you?
>>
>> > Eh?
>>
>> Heretic means not Catholic.
No, it does not. "Catholic" means "universal". We do not
determine heresy as compared to what we think everyone else
believes, but as compared to what the Scripture teaches.
>>You guys act like it's such a big deal,
>> that you are not hypocrites, and that you have all the prestege, pomp
>> and legitimacy of orthodox behind you while you yourself are
>> _un_orthodox.
Again, orthodox as compared to Scripture, not necessarily what
other people believe.
>It could also
It didn't mean what he said in the first place.
>mean factious or divisive as per Titus 3:10 "Reject a
>DIVISIVE man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such
>a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned" - NKJV.
Correct. But it's important to note that this is referring to
people who cause divisions according to unsound doctrine, not
divisions that result from holding fast to the truth:
But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions,
and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and
vain. (Titus 3:9 KJV)
We need to be careful about that, because the idea that we
dare not say or do anything that causes any kind of division,
lest we be an heretick, would mean certain compromise with
doctrinal error and an ungodly walk:
(Galatians 2:5 KJV) To whom we gave place by subjection, no,
not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue
with you.
(Galatians 2:14 KJV) But when I saw that they walked not
uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto
Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the
manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest
thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at
variance against his father, and the daughter against her
mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And
a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that
loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of
me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me,
is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it:
and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
(Matthew 10:34-39 KJV)
(Revelation 2:6 KJV) But this thou hast, that thou hatest the
deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
(Revelation 2:15 KJV) So hast thou also them that hold the
doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
Again and again, Timothy and Titus are told to hold and stand
fast in the truth and sound doctrine, and avoid unsound
doctrine and behavior.
Thus, an heretick is someone who causes divisions according to
unsound doctrine, not someone who holds to the truth, even if
it causes divisions.
>Cheers.
--
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from the dead? Did you know God saves you from hell and
gives you eternal life through faith in this finished work alone,
not your merits (Jn. 3:16; 1 Cor. 15:1-3; Eph. 2:8-10; 2 Thess.
1:8-9)? This is so man cannot boast, and God alone gets the
glory (Eph. 2:8-9).
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Dr. House
[...]
> >> Heretic means not Catholic.
>
> No, it does not. "Catholic" means "universal".
And heretic means not Catholic.
> We do not
> determine heresy as compared to what we think everyone else
> believes, but as compared to what the Scripture teaches.
This is so wrong on several levels. First of all heresy means
rejecting established doctrine. That is what you do. You pick and
choose which established doctrines you reject. What are these
established doctrines you reject? They were established by
Catholics. If you accepted them then you would be either RC or GO.
Yes as a heretic you go around looking to exposes heretics. That is
hypocrisy.
> >>You guys act like it's such a big deal,
> >> that you are not hypocrites, and that you have all the prestege, pomp
> >> and legitimacy of orthodox behind you while you yourself are
> >> _un_orthodox.
>
> Again, orthodox as compared to Scripture, not necessarily what
> other people believe.
Orthodox means "right opinion". It's compared to established doctrine
- established doctrine that you reject. These heretics you persecute
are trying to follow scripture but you hate them because they have a
different opinion about the meaning of various scripture. Even though
you are unorthodox you act like you are orthodox.
> >It could also
>
> It didn't mean what he said in the first place.
>
> >mean factious or divisive as per Titus 3:10 "Reject a
> >DIVISIVE man after the first and second admonition, knowing that such
> >a person is warped and sinning, being self-condemned" - NKJV.
>
> Correct.
And by that meaning you are a heretic as well. For look who is going
around attacking followers of Christ and divining the Church.
> But it's important to note that this is referring to
> people who cause divisions according to unsound doctrine,
That would be you. "Sound" doctrine means standing up to tests, that
is with merit or does "sound" mean established? Under either meaning
you lose.
> not
> divisions that result from holding fast to the truth:
Oh please. You know nothing of truth. If you saw truth you would
attack it and try to divide it.
> But avoid foolish questions, and genealogies, and contentions,
> and strivings about the law; for they are unprofitable and
> vain. (Titus 3:9 KJV)
Doesn't this tell you to not divide the Church by persecuting other
Christians due to their religious beliefs?
> We need to be careful about that, because the idea that we
> dare not say or do anything that causes any kind of division,
> lest we be an heretick, would mean certain compromise with
> doctrinal error and an ungodly walk:
Again you ignore parts of the Bible in favor of your chosen doctrine,
even though you reject certain established doctrine.
> (Galatians 2:5 KJV) To whom we gave place by subjection, no,
> not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue
> with you.
>
> (Galatians 2:14 KJV) But when I saw that they walked not
> uprightly according to the truth of the gospel, I said unto
> Peter before them all, If thou, being a Jew, livest after the
> manner of Gentiles, and not as do the Jews, why compellest
> thou the Gentiles to live as do the Jews?
How do you think these are relevant?
> Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to
> send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at
> variance against his father, and the daughter against her
> mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And
> a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that
> loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and
> he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of
> me. And he that taketh not his cross, and followeth after me,
> is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life shall lose it:
> and he that loseth his life for my sake shall find it.
> (Matthew 10:34-39 KJV)
You attack those who love Jesus. This verse is not telling you to be
the bad guy - yet that is what you choose.
> (Revelation 2:6 KJV) But this thou hast, that thou hatest the
> deeds of the Nicolaitans, which I also hate.
>
> (Revelation 2:15 KJV) So hast thou also them that hold the
> doctrine of the Nicolaitans, which thing I hate.
And what doctrine would that be? Notice how doctrine pops up in the
2nd century books of the Bible when it is missing from the 1st century
ones?
> Again and again, Timothy and Titus are told to hold and stand
> fast in the truth and sound doctrine, and avoid unsound
> doctrine and behavior.
2nd century.
> Thus, an heretick is someone who causes divisions according to
> unsound doctrine,
That is still you.
> not someone who holds to the truth, even if
> it causes divisions.
You do not hold to truth.
You can't get around it. By any definition you are a heretic. By
picking one def over the other you can make the people you persecute
not be heretics. Whether they are or not it is the fact that you call
them what you are that makes you a hypocrite as well.
And if sound means 'with merit' or 'able to withstand testing' then
you are in double trouble.
Dr. House
[...]
> First of all heresy means
> rejecting established doctrine. That is what you do. You pick and
> choose which established doctrines you reject. What are these
> established doctrines you reject? They were established by
> Catholics. If you accepted them then you would be either RC or GO.
That should read ". . . would be either RC or EO". Of course Russian
and Greek are both subsets of Eastern Orthodox.
Randy ®
Ever heard that the guy who came to the man who was forgiven was
himself confessing his debt and asking for forgiveness?
Dr. House
Yes. Di has confessed her sins and asked forgiveness. You imply Di
is a witch. Then the former witch laughed and encouraged you. It is
fitting that the former witch has your back and supports you as you
imply others are witches.
Randy ®
> On Jul 2, 8:05 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 1, 9:55 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 6:38 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > > wrote:
>
> > > [..]
>
> > > > > Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>
> > > > lol
>
> > > Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
> > > found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
>
> > Ever heard that the guy who came to the man who was forgiven was
> > himself confessing his debt and asking for forgiveness?
>
> Yes. Di has confessed her sins and asked forgiveness.
For what?
>You imply Di
> is a witch. Then the former witch laughed and encouraged you. It is
> fitting that the former witch has your back and supports you as you
> imply others are witches.
Where did I say anything about anyone being a witch? Quote your
sources please.
Dr. House
> On Jul 2, 11:18 am, "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 8:05 am, Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Jul 1, 9:55 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Jul 1, 6:38 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > > > wrote:
>
> > > > [..]
>
> > > > > > Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>
> > > > > lol
>
> > > > Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
> > > > found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
>
> > > Ever heard that the guy who came to the man who was forgiven was
> > > himself confessing his debt and asking for forgiveness?
>
> > Yes. Di has confessed her sins and asked forgiveness.
>
> For what?
All. Sinner's prayer - Jesus comes into their hears - all fall short
- the whole 10 yards.
> >You imply Di
> > is a witch. Then the former witch laughed and encouraged you. It is
> > fitting that the former witch has your back and supports you as you
> > imply others are witches.
>
> Where did I say anything about anyone being a witch? Quote your
> sources please.
Okay, looking up thread I see Stover did it. So Di asked forgiveness
and loves Jesus. Stover implied Di is a witch. The former witch
laughed at that backing up Stover. I pointed out that former witches
should not laugh at someone being falsely accused of being a witch.
And then you joined adding something irrelevant that implies Di is
unrepentant.
I'm sorry for getting it wrong last time. My bad. The Heretics
Hunting Heretics team is so much alike that sometimes I get you guys
mixed up.
Fred A Stover
>>> wrote:
>>>> Innews:a2468925-c1af-4411...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
>>>> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 4:01 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>>>>> wrote:
>>>>>> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
>>>>>> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>>>>>> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as
>>>>>>>>>> brothers,
>>
>>>>>>>>> Then why can't you?
>>
>>>>>>>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>>
>>>>>>> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>>
>>>>>> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
>>
>>>>> I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
>>>>> brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of
>>>>> Christ "enemies of Christ".
>>
>>
>>> You say "if" _when_ they are not.
>>
>>> If you had some logs then you could make a raft _if_ you had some
>>> rope.
>>> If you had four wheels then you would be a wagon. But you don't.
>>> If the people you hate were not believers . . . but they are.
>>
>>> Why are they enemies of Christ? Cuz you sez so. No other reason.
>>> Why are they evil? Only cuz you sez so.
>>> That is a brilliant argument you have there.
>>
>> You lie again, for they are enemies of Christ because they've spoken
>> against Christ.
>
> wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong wrong
>
> You say they have spoken against Christ _when_they_have_not_!
Your whole argument is to lie. You're pathetic.
> Yet you do not get that this makes you the liar.
You lie again.
>
>> You offer no scriptures
>
> There are no scriptures that refer to 21st century Usenet posters.
>
Your other ploy, when all else fails talk crazy.
>> . . . and apparently ignore the ones cited by
>> others:
>
> I read them and see they are irrelevant. What is there to say?
If you had read them you would have seen they were relevant.
>> "A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition
>> reject;
>
> You are a heretic. So that is how we should treat you?
Your a liar and an idiot, heretic. It is you who denies the scriptures.
>> knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being
>> condemned of himself" (Tit 3:10-11)
>>
>> "whosoever speaketh against the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven
>> him, neither in this world, neither in the world to come" (Matt
>> 12:32)
>
> Who has spoken against the Holy Spirit? Again you make things up.
> Your lies make you honest and truth makes me the liar - right?
Everyone who has proclaimed a different doctrine than the doctrine of
scripture has spoken against its Author, the Holy Spirit.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 1, 11:33am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes Gram
>>> is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>>
>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>
> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise stop
> pretending.
You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers because both
were Christians. I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist, do you
have a box to put that in, simple-minded bigot?
>
>>
>>>> He said it of a brother in Christ.
>>
>>> True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out your
>>> brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
>>
>> You still don't get the picture.
>
> That you say things that are not true about others. Oh that is loud
> and clear.
More of your lies, the truth is a matter of record and it's still available
on the net for all to see.
>
>> You are the heretic advocating embracing
>> the children of Satan and sismissing sound doctrine.
>
> See what I mean? You say things about me that are not true and you
> can't wrap your mind around the idea that these false things are lies.
Read what you wrote, idiot. You denied scripture is the word of God,
remember your "playing telephone analogy" which ignored the scriptural fact
that the Author is the Holy Spirit who reveals it to His.
>> It is you and your
>> kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of
>> Christ,
>
> You don't know Christ said that.
I do know Christ said that. You are the one who doesn't know it, and the
reason is the revealer of what Christ said is not with you: "But the
Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he
shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,
whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).
>> . . . for
>> it is better to be rid of the disruly members than to burn in hell
>> with them . .
>
> You don't know anything about Christianity. The sad part is that had
> you been born a few hundred years ago you would be the one they would
> burn at the state as a heretic.
It is you who knows nothing about Christianity, which is obvious in
everything you post.
> [...]
>>> The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads you
>>> to the wrong conclusions.
>>
>> More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in anyones
>> head and no one has suggested He did, where did you get that idea?
>
> Either you are in the same boat as the rest of us with nothing. Or
> you have "discernment" which is your own imagination leading you to
> attack people. You claim to have special knowledge that I don't well
> guess what that is.
All believers, as you don't know, have His discernment, here's one of your
so-called irrelevant verses: "But the natural man receiveth not the things
of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor. 2:14).
>> Are you
>> expressing the will of the voices in your head?
>
> Nope. I'm just smacking a bully with the truth.
Just another punk, trying to play bully and being shown a punk.
> [..]
>>> Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
>>> time.
>>
>> You are deceived.
>
> You claim this based on what? Cuz you sez so?
You've been confessing that in everything you write. You doubt everything.
>> I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians.
>
> Thus you are delusional.
No, observant.
>> I've
>> not seen you defend a single Christian.
>
> See a shrink.
>
See an exorcist
>
>>>> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>>
>>> Of what?
>>
>> Of the absence of His Spirit.
>
> That one that misleads you and confuses you? That isn't God.
The Holy Spirit is God, you aren't.
>
>> An example of a natural man trying to cope
>> with things spiritual. What you miss in scripture, and what you
>> think you see. You have no idea of what folks with discernment are
>> seeing.
>
> Ah there you go with the voice in your head again. You got that
> discernment that leads you to all sorts of wrong conclusions - chiefly
> among them is that it does not lead you to wrong conclusions.
Your the one with the voices in your head. I'm the one with His Spirit in
my heart, warning folks about the deceivers you try to defend.
>>>>>>>> There are Christians in most
>>>>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>>
>>>>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>>
>>>>>> It is the reality.
>>
>>>>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>>
>>>> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>>
>>> Proof?
>>
>> Read what you write.
>
> Once again you give the bankrupt answer. You can't support your
> claims. All you can do is brag about how your wonderful discernment
> leads you right as you keep getting it wrong.
The proof is in what you wrote and it is still on the net for anyone to see.
Fred A Stover
>>> wrote:
>>>> Innews:1953c227-baa3-41c9...@y7g2000yqa.googlegroups.com,
>>>> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>>
>>>>> On Jun 30, 4:43 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>>> The Christians who are Catholic regard all Christians as
>>>>>>>> brothers,
>>
>>>>>>> Then why can't you?
>>
>>>>>> I do. It's the enemies of Christ who are not my brethren.
>>
>>>>> Then stop attacking the _followers_ of Christ.
>>
>>>> I have NEVER seen that! Stop lying, House.
>>
>>> I didn't say you saw it. Fred claims he regards all Christians as
>>> brothers when clearly he doesn't. He calls many followers of Christ
>>> "enemies of Christ".
>>
>
> Not the ones you call enemies of Christ. When you say these untrue
> things about others you are lying.
The enemies of Christ are not Christians or my brothers, and you are the
liar.
>> . . . but I don't regard
>> His enemies, who do not follow Christ, as brothers.
>
> Even though they follow, believe in and serve Jesus.
What an idiot, They're not following Jesus, reveals that they don't believe
in Him or serve Him.
>
>> It is you who attacks
>> Christians to defend blatant heretics.
>
> No, I defend Christians from you and those like you.
Satan, you're a liar. You attack Christians to defend the blasphemers and
heretics
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 1, 5:48pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
You lie again Satan, a heretic serves you, speaking against the the Author
of scripture, speaking against the Holy Spirit: "whosoever speaketh against
the Holy Ghost, it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world, neither
in the world to come" (Matt 12:32): "A man that is an heretic after the
first and second admonition reject; knowing that he that is such is
subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of himself" (Tit 3:10-11).
Fred A Stover
The convoluted non-thinking of a demonic mind.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 1, 1:53pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>>>>> Of course it is and you are one of the dividers, going around
>>>>> calling Christians "fake", "not real" and "unbelievers". What
>>>>> could be more divisive than that?
>>
>>>> ADD?
>>
>>> Subtract? Multiply? Divide?
>>
>> Attention Deficit Disorder?
>
> and they will help you.
It's your problem; you seek the help
>
>>>> We've already been here.
>>
>>> I know you made assertions regarding this. You couldn't explain them
>>> before and you can't now.
>>
>> You simply can't see or remember.
>
> I do both just fine. However I know what "explain" means.
ROTFL!!!! I posted it again, see what follows.
>> When someone speaks contrary to scripture
>> they are not following the word made flesh.
>
> Scripture speaks contrary to scripture.
Satan, you're a liar.
>
>> They are not following Christ.
>
> Your claim is false due to the contradiction.
>
You lie again, Satan.
>>>> It is His House which is not divided, the
>>>> sheep of His house are divided from the goats, not of His house.
>>>> Maybe if you take notes you'll remember.
>>
>>> The problem is that your claims do not make sense.
>>
>> Sense does not make sense to you.
>
> I do fine with it. Give it a try.
ROTFL!!! There is no semblance of sense in anything you've written.
>
>> His sheep are in His house and the
>> adversaries goats are not.
>
> When you assert things about people that are not true that is not
> sense. Sorry but you don't get to decide who is a sheep and who is a
> goat based on how much you like what they have to say.
What an idiot. They assert it and I point to how it contradicts scripture.
>
>> You on the other hand seem to think that calling
>> a goat a goat is attacking His sheep.
>
> No, I think calling a sheep "goat" is dishonest.
Which has nothing to do with my calling a goat a goat.
>>>>>> The only real division is the
>>>>>> walls which divide the Christians on the inside from the
>>>>>> denominations on the outside.
>>
>>>>> Care to explain?
>>
>>>> The folks who come to Christ are on the inside and the folks who
>>>> prefer to serve a denomination instead are on the outside.
>>
>>> Why do you attack those on the inside?
>>
>> You lie again, its the one on the outside I attack.
>
> It's your accusation and it is based on _nothing_. It's your lie. I
> happen to know for a fact that one of those you attack loves Jesus.
> You don't know a thing about it but you attack anyway. All that while
> you feel justified because the voice in your head said to do it.
Satan, you are a liar. They may love Jesus their gardener, or the Jesus
they've created in their image, but when they love the Jesus of scripture,
they thank me for correcting them, and cease teaching false doctrine, giving
no reason for attacking their doctrine.
>>>>>>>> That some of the non-believers claim to be Christians,
>>>>>>>> doesn't make them Christians;
>>
>>>>>>> I didn't say it did. Just because someone you like calls a third
>>>>>>> party "Heretick" does not make that third party an unbeliever.
>>
>>>>>> I said it. Calling oneself a Christian does not make one a
>>>>>> Christian.
>>
>>>>> I know of nobody asserting that in this thread. Why do you refute
>>>>> what nobody asserts?
>>
>>>> ROTFL!!!!!! You need to pay attention.
>>
>>> Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all it
>>> takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your
>>> accusation with citations.
>>
>> You did by defending blasphemers . . .
>
> Don't lie.
I don't; you're the perpetual liar.
>
>> . . . who pretend to be Christians,
>
> Don't lie.
You lie again.
>
>> . . .who
>> contradict scripture,
>
> Don't lie. Scripture contradicts scripture.
>
You lie again. Scripture confiems scripture.
>> . . . and who defy Christ.
>
> Don't lie.
You lie again.
>
>> And you accuse the defenders of
>> Christ of attacking Christians.
>
> I am the defender of Christ. You embarrass Christianity by making it
> look like a club for hate-mongers and idiots.
So you say with your lying lips, but what you show is contempt for Christ,
His word, and His doctrines.
>>>>>> It is
>>>>>> the belief in the Lord and His word, revealed by His Spirit,
>>>>>> which makes one a Christian.
>>
>>>>> False. You don't get to divide Christians by redefining what
>>>>> Christian means.
>>
>>>> He defines it.
>>
>>>> 2 Tim. 3:16
>>>> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
>>>> for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
>>>> righteousness:
>>
>>> This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define scripture.
>>
>> The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
>
> It does in the Bible.
Which shows you lied again.
>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>>
>>> This does not define "Christian" either.
>>
>> No, but it reveals that it is the Christian who sees sense in things
>> Spiritual, and it is the natural man to whom it makes no sense.
>
> This doesn't mean the things you think you know are real.
It does mean that what I know through Him is real.
>>>> Why don't you know that.
>>
>>> Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
>>
>> Folks with His spiritual discernment do know that.
>
> Cuz you sez so.
No, He said so.
>
>
>>>>>> I'm reminded of a Bizarro cartoon in the paper a few years
>>>>>> back. There was a crowd being processed at the pearly gates of
>>>>>> heaven, and one man who had a small scroll in his hand said to
>>>>>> another, "They gave me an award for perfect attendance, and told
>>>>>> me to go to hell." He may have played the part of a Christian,
>>>>>> but he wasn't a Christian.
>>
>>>>> All of which has nothing to do with anything here since nobody has
>>>>> claimed that attendance made one a Christian.
>>
>>>> ROTFL!!!!!! The discussion is about Christians and people
>>>> pretending to be Christians.
>>
>>> And you keep bringing up things that are irrelevant such as the idea
>>> that claims that attendance makes one Christian or that simply
>>> identifying oneself as Christian makes one Christian. Why bring this
>>> up if nobody here thinks that?
>>
>> ROTFL!!!! Then why are you defending the ones saying they are
>> Christians but showing they are not.
>
> When are you going to stop beating your mother?
>
> I provide this as an example for you to see that loaded questions are
> not productive so that perhaps you will stop using them.
>
>> Scripture tells us whoever says Jesus is not returning
>> in the flesh is an antichrist,
>
> You have no idea if God said this.
> You have no clue that people denied this even though you look right at
> a post when the topic is not there.
>
Again, you're a liar and an idiot. It's written in scripture and the Holy
Spirit confirms it, and I also knew they denied it when they posted that his
return was to be spiritual, not phisical, and posted that He had already
returned.
>> . . . yet when I address the spirit posting that as> Satan
>> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>
> See a shrink. Maybe they can give you medication that will clear it
> up.
See an exorcist.
>
>> Scripture tells us that God would
>> have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the
>> heretic . . .
>
> You are a heretic. Shouldn't you address your own heresy first?
You lie again, you are the heretic as your online record shows..
>
>> . . . saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment,
>> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>
> You are a heretic who won't forgive other heretics. Yeah it's a
> problem for you.
Read His lips again, Satan: "A man that is an heretick after the first and
second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and
sinneth, being condemned of himself" (Titus 3:10-11). He's already
condemned, speaking against the Holy Spirit, the Author, isn't forgiven.
Another esample of embracing the heretics and attacking the Christian.
.
>
>> That by the way is where this thread started.
>>
>>
>>
>>>>> Do you have any valid points?
>>
>>>> Again, you need to pay attention.
>>
>>> Let's see some valid points from you.
>>
>> See above.
>
> You provided none.
You lie.
>>>>>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>>
>>>>>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>>
>>>>>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>>
>>>>> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why
>>>>> do you not know they were in disagreement?
>>
>>>> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
>>
>>> I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
>>
>> You lie.
>
> The voices in your head tell you things about me that are not true?
> They are not from God. They certainly are not God. God wouldn't tell
> you things that are false.
Again you lie. Your the one with voices in the head. It is the Holy Spirit
who is God.
>
>> You construct what is invalid.
>
> You wouldn't know. This isn't your cup of tea.
I see it again and again.
>
>
>>>> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
>>>> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
>>
>>> I've seen it.
>>
>> Then you merely saw the words and missed what he said.
>
> You tell me what I already know. Then you tell me that I did not know
> it and I did not see it. I inform you that I have seen it. You call
> me a liar for it. Yet I didn't miss anything. I have no response to
> the things you bring up because they are irrelevant, not because I
> don't know them.
You obviously don't know it, or I wouldn't have to show it to you.
>
>>>> James is addressing the works of
>>>> faith, His works in us, as opposed to Pauls addressing the works of
>>>> the flesh..
>>
>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
> So it _is_ telling you to make wild guesses and hurt people based on
> your private beliefs? Wow you are worse than I feared. See a shrink
> pronto.
All the guesses are on your part. scripture provides the doctrine and the
heretics and blasphemers provide the contrary doctrines.
>> . . . it is telling us that scripture does define doctrine and
>> is basis for correction.
>
> And it defines scripture where?
ROTFL!!!!!!!! The two together define scripture, so you need to see the
other verse which followed it, which is now below.
>
>> It is you who denies the ability of His spirit to
>> provide His discernment.
>
> I have never done that. Don't mix up my comments about the voices in
> your head with claims I make about God. They are not the same thing
> at all.
Satan, your a liar. There are no voices in my head, simply the discernment
of the Holy Spirit, who revealed what disagrees with your opinions, and you
denied His discernment and mocked His promise of discernment.
>
>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>>
>>> Again you have the same problem.
>>
>> Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't know
>> they
>> are understood together?
>
> What are you talking about now?
ROTFL!!!!!
>
>
>>>>> Don't look now but you are dividing Christianity.
>>
>>>> You lie.
>>
>>> You can point to no lie on my part.
>>
>> Point? It is one lie after another, each standing out and pointing to
>> itself.
>
> Pssssst - the word "lie" does not mean I express an opinion that does
> not match your opinion.
It means you lie.
>
>
>>>> I defend Christianity from the unbelievers.
>>
>>> By making Christianity out to be a lie by attacking believers, who
>>> you call unbelievers, based on your delusions.
>>
>> Satan you're a liar.
>
> Losing touch with reality?
No, I know that lying spieit anywhere.
> [..]
>>>>> You have nothing. You lack the honesty to admit it. How can you
>>>>> claim to serve truth by being dishonest?
>>
>>>> Do you really think His followers and scriptures prededed His
>>>> speaking the words contained therein? ROTFL!!!!
>>
>>> What are you asking?
>>
>> I was asking if you really believed what you said.
>
> Of course I believe what I said. But I didn't say Christians and
> scriptures 'prededed' (?) Jesus speaking the word contained in the
> Bible.
But you did.
>
>> Did you pay attention to
>> what you wrote?
>
> Apparently better than you did.
>
ROTFL!!!!
>
> [...]
>>> You just lied about me with "Obviously you don't know Him or His
>>> scriptures". What else could that possibly mean? I suppose it could
>>> mean that you have lost all touch with reality and you are not
>>> responsible for anything you do or say.
>>
>> That's no lie.
>
> It is a false statement and a reasonable person in your position would
> know it was false. Yet you made it anyway. Do you not know what
> "lie" means?
It is not a false statement. The lie is all yours.
>
>> You've made it patently clear that you don't know Him.
>
> That is just something those voices tell you. That they feed you
> misinformation indicates they cannot be trusted.
I don't hear your voices, and it is a simple matter of reading what you
post.
>> You
>> said I don't like you, which was news to me, so I asked you why?
>> Since I
>> didn't know I didn't like you, I couldn't know why. The rest of what
>> you
>> said is inane rambling.
>
> Yeah a year's worth of insults from you is no evidence that you don't
> like someone.
Saying your an idiot is simpley saying you're and idiot, not that anyone
hates anyone.
>
>>>> All I know of you show of your thinking.
>>
>>>>>> The Holy Spirit is not a man
>>>>>> that He plays telephone.
>>
>>>>> I never said he was. I was refuting your argument. Trust me, you
>>>>> are _not_ the Holy Spirit.
>>
>> Twist your lies,
>
> What lies? Again you don't seem to understand what the word means.
Replying to someone's trusting the Holy Spirit, by insinuating they claimed
to be the Holy Spirit is a lie, of the more sinister sort.
>> . . . and make your false insinuations Satan.
>
> Hello? Reality giving you trouble. Stay with me. We are on earth.
> It's 2009. Do you know who is President of the US? Try to remember I
> am human.
You can't hide behind House, Satan, I know that spirit anywhere.
>> Having His Spirit
>> is not being Him, but I do have His Holy Spirit
>
> Is that what you think leads you to do what you do?
It's who reveals the scriptures I know, but which confuse you.
>>>> It is the Spirit who reveals scripture,
>>
>>> There is your problem. That voice inside your head is your own
>>> voice. Don't confuse it with God and you won't be guilty of making
>>> yourself into god. You go off half cocked and down the wrong path
>>> constantly and it's because you believe God told you things you were
>>> only guessing at.
>>
>> You still hearing those voices in your head?
>
> Nope, try not to project.
Your the one who thought the Holy Spirit was voices in the head, no one else
mentioned it. Where did you get the idea if not from your experience?
>> The Holy Sprit dwells within
>> and does not speak through your voices in the head. When you let Him
>> live in you, His thoughts are your thoughts.
>
> Then why do you call Christians enemies of Christ?
You lie again. You are the one who defends heretics and attacks Christians.
>
>> No voices in the head. Why don't you
>> know that.
>
> If you think you do then let's see the proof.
>
> I hear a cricket symphony coming on.
In your head?
>>>> . . . so who else would you be suggesting
>>>> would distort the transmission as playing telephone distorts
>>>> messages.
>>
>>> In many cases those "scripture" were third, fourth, fifth, sixth,
>>> seventh, eighth or Nth hand stories that someone heard from someone
>>> who heard it from someone who heard it from someone before it was
>>> written down. And then they were copied hundreds of times before any
>>> of the copies that survived to this day were made. You act like
>>> there is zero uncertainty when we have very good reason to be
>>> careful about who we hurt over what we believe.
>>
>> Your ignorance confounds you.
>
> What ignorance? To be sure there are many things I don't know. But
> can you identify them? No, this is just a wild accusation you toss
> out.
Sure you don'y know Christ, His scriptures, His doctrine, or His Spirit.
>> There is zero uncertainty in the Spirit,
>
> Show me proof then. Ah, you are bankrupt . . .
I have, but you deem the scriptures irrelevant.
>
>> for
>> "Man shall not live by bread alone, but by every word that
>> proceedeth out of the mouth of God" (Matt 4:4)
>
> Got anything relevant to this conversation?
ROTFL!!!!!
>
>> . . . only confuses the natural man who has no idea
>> of which words are His and knows not what to discern.
>
> I could make guesses that are just as lost as yours. That I choose to
> not do so doesn't mean I could not.
ROTFL!!!!!
>
>
>>>>>> And if He were to play telephone, He would not
>>>>>> confuse Himself as He spoke to Himself as His message travelled
>>>>>> from person to person. He says, "All scripture is given by
>>>>>> inspiration of God, and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof,
>>>>>> for correction, for instruction in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16).
>>
>>>>> You cannot show that the Holy Spirit said that, nor what 2 Tim
>>>>> 3:16 refers to by scripture. For all you know the author could
>>>>> have meant specific books that did not wind up in the Bible, or
>>>>> believe a few that did were not scripture.
>>
>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
>>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>>
>>> Same nonsense as before. Clearly you cannot present a valid argument
>>> or else you would have by now.
>>
>> The point is that the nonsense is all yours asking me to show you
>> what we
>> both know you can't see.
>
> I sell pictures of invisible pink unicorns. Would you like to buy
> one?
That I believe.
>
>
>>>>>> The scriptures are His words revealed by His
>>>>>> voice within,
>>
>>>>> Says your belief. You have a belief.
>>
>>>> Says His Spirit in His word. Why don't you know that.
>>
>>> I know the voice in your head is not God because it leads you to all
>>> kinds of wrong conclusions.
>>
>> The voices in the head are yours.
>
> No no no. I'm not responsible for your voices. I didn't send them
> either. Look, stop listening to them and then they won't have any
> power over you.
But you are, for without your lies there are no voices in the head.
>
>> What I have is the indwelling of the Holy
>> Spirit, not voices in the head.
>
> So you think the Holy Spirit is what tells you to do what you do? Do
> you have any idea how wack that is?
Yes, He's the Author of the scriptures which tell me what to do.
>>>>>> . . . and they divide the believers from the unbelievers.
>>
>>>>> No, you do that in your Salem Witch Hunt. If what the Bible says
>>>>> is true then you are going to have to explain on Judgement day
>>>>> why you persecuted Jesus, for what you do to the least of these
>>>>> you do to him. Think about that.
>>
>>>> You're beginning to feel the flames and are in denial.
>>
>>> Says that voice in your head. I'm looking for explanations and
>>> finding that certain people could never hope to provide any.
>>
>> No, you have the voices in the head,
>
> Projecting again. Look you can't get cured by pretending your problem
> belongs to others.
They're your voices. I don't have any of them in my head.
>> . . . and they tell you there is a Salem
>> witch hunt,
>
> Nah, you and your posts do that.
No, it was your voices again.
>> but this isn't Salem and there is no witch hunt, just your
>> demons.
>
> See a shrink. They have medicine that might clear that up.
See an exorcist.
>>>> The pursuit of unity
>>>> in sound doctrime is what Jesus refers when He speaks of the body
>>>> of Christ,
>>
>>> Then you should not pursue disunity by attacking believers.
>>
>> ROTFL!!!! Believers in the devil and his lies aren't believers in
>> Christ.
>
> I was talking about believers in Christ whom you attack.
Your the one attacking the Christians, for confronting the heretics.
>
>> Blasphemers and heretics aren't believers.
>
> So as a heretic, you think you are not a believer? If that is the
> problem I can assure you that lots of Christians are not Catholic.
> You don't have to be Catholic to follow and believe in Christ.
You lie again, Satan. It is the heretics who are not believers, and you
don't have to belong to any denomination to follow and believe in Christ.
>> The Lord says they are
>> antichrists and He says they are condemned, but you in your
>> greater-than-God wisdom deem them believers.
>
> You cannot show that the Lord says the people I am talking about are
> antichrists. All you can do is proclaim it. Where did this idea come
> from? It's internal to you isn't it?
Who knows about the believing unbelievers you talk about, I was talking
about the ones I confonted: "For many deceivers are gone forth into the
world, even they that confess not that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh.
This is the deceiver and the antichrist" (2John 1:7 ASV).
.
>
>>> And
>>> nobody said attendance or merely identify as Christian is what makes
>>> them Christian so lets have no more of that nonsense out of you.
>>
>> You just did. See above.
>
> I did not. You could look at a blank screen and see things that are
> not there.
You lie again.
>
>>>> the body in which its members have minds of their own: "if thine
>>>> eye offend thee, pluck it out, and cast it from thee: it is better
>>>> for thee to enter into life with one eye, rather than having two
>>>> eyes to be cast into hell fire" (Matt 18:9)
>>
>>> Are you just quoting verses at random?
>>
>> No that's the verses where the Lord tells us to get rid of the unruly
>> members of the body of Christ.
>
> It doesn't say get rid of the unruly members of the body of Christ.
> It says pull out the members of your own body that hold you back. But
> for the record I recommend you don't do that. Please don't.
ROTFL!!!!! What you obviously miss is that it speaks of a body in which its
members have minds of their own and can offend the body. Do you really think
you have nothing to do with what your eyes and limbs do, that they act on
their own?
>> Are you one of those folks who would cut off
>> a thief's hand so he couldn't work?
>
> No, I favor jail time. But I believe the "off with their hand"
> penalty had to do with having to use the same hand for clean and
> unclean tasks - not pleasant prior to modern conveniences.
>
>>>> And what the Bible says is that the judgment of the Christians is a
>>>> rewards judgment, and it is the Christians who judge the world "the
>>>> saints shall judge the world" (1Cor 6:2).
>>
>>> How do you know Paul was not wrong?
>>
>> I know the Lord and I know His word.
>
> Either you can prove it or it's internal to you.
ROTFL!!!!!!! QED!!!!
>> You obviously missed what Jesus and
>> John about it. Why don't you know that he isn't wrong?
>
> Proof? Oh you don't do proof.
>
You've already provided it.
>
>>
>>>>>>>>>>>> You haven't read, "it is appointed unto men once to die,
>>>>>>>>>>>> but after this the judgment" (Heb 9:27)?
>>
>>>>>>>>>>> I have. Thanks for asking. What does it have to do with this
>>>>>>>>>>> conversation?
>>
>>>>>>>>>> It answers your question above about Matt 28:18.
>>
>>>>>>>>> It has nothing to do with why Almighty God needs to be given
>>>>>>>>> power. He is already Almighty by definition. He has all power
>>>>>>>>> by His nature. It indicates the author of Matthew did not see
>>>>>>>>> Jesus as Almighty. The author of Mark did not see Jesus as
>>>>>>>>> Almighty either (Mk 6:5 nor all knowing Mk 5:30-32).
>>
>>>>>>>> It asnswered your question whether or not you can understand
>>>>>>>> it.
>>
>>>>>>> You cannot explain how, of course.
>>
>>>>>> Incredible! What needs to be explained? He proved who He is.
>>
>>>>> The rest of the world does not make these wild leaps and
>>>>> assumptions you do. When something doesn't make sense we need an
>>>>> explanation. I realize you will not understand.
>>
>>>> There are no wild leaps and assumptions.
>>
>>> Sure there was. You assume Jesus is almighty. That means Jesus
>>> always had authority and no authority could be given to Jesus. You
>>> also assume the Bible is always right. Yet Matthew says authority
>>> was given to Jesus. That would make Jesus not almighty. Yet you
>>> assert this all makes sense and can't explain how.
>>
>> You aren't very bright.
>
> Do you have any valid points to offer?
>
>> The adversary acquired authority over all mankind at
>> the fall,
>
> So God is not almighty? You agree with Mark and Matthew then.
Your an idiot. God is almighty and Matthew and Mark agree on that.
>
>> the Lord regained authority over the circumcision in Abraham, and
>> redeemed the rest at the cross.
>
> Too bad He didn't save the children of Ai.
>
>> He isn't your kind of God who dominates what
>> He can.
>
> Proof? Or you were sharing an idea that was internal to you?
That's what the book is all about.
>
>> He sets the captives free, He doesn't capture then, even Satan has
>> his rights for a season (Rev 12:12)
>
> So God would not be almighty?
ROTFL!!! You are an idiot. That He ends Satan's time demonstrates His might.
>
>
>>>> There is His Word and His Spirit,
>>>> who reveals it to His believers.
>>
>>> You believe the voice in your head is God and your private opinions
>>> regarding a book are God's word.
>>
>> Again, the voices are all in your head,
>
> Now you can't tell the difference between my mind and yours? Whatever
> you experience is your mind and not my mind. Trust me.
I have not voices in my head, they have to be yours.
>
>> His opinions are of His Spirit which
>> dwells within. You repeatedly deny what He proclaims of His Spirit
>> and its revealing all to His.
>
> Proof?
Read the book.
>
>>>> You repeatedly reveal that you do not know
>>>> that. In your ignorance you deny Him twice in one sentence.
>>
>>> What delusion are you suffering from now?
>>
>> No delusion, it's in the part you snipped. Don't know what you're
>> writing?
>
> I know what I write. I can't always tell what you mean. What did I
> deny?
>
>
>
>>>>>>>> I cannot
>>>>>>>> begin to imagine what you think or why you read some things
>>>>>>>> into scripture,
>>
>>>>>>> Words have meaning.
>>
>>>>>> Words have meanings, denotations and connotations. And the
>>>>>> context of their meaning is the whole of scripture revealed by
>>>>>> His Spirit.
>>
>>>>> Again you refer to your belief as if it were fact. That is
>>>>> dangerous.
>>
>>>> His fact and the belief is in Him.
>>
>>> Lots of the Christians you attack have beliefs as well. That their
>>> beliefs are not exactly like yours does not make them unbelievers.
>>> Your personal delusions are not God.
>>
>> That only confuses you and others who can't discern His sheep from
>> the goats and the wolves in sheeps' clothing.
>
> They all have imaginations which are every bit as active and creative
> as yours. Most of them more so. But they don't confuse their
> imagination for the voice of God. See the difference?
I see the strawman you've erected, which has nothing to do with the
scriptures which reveal the doctrine of the sheep and expose the doctrines
of the goats.
>
>>>>>> When someone
>>>>>> chooses one of the different meanings, they miss what is being
>>>>>> said.
>>
>>>>> Yeah, I asked you to explain so that you would notice you
>>>>> couldn't.
>>
>>>> I did explain,
>>
>>> Then you don't know what "explain" means.
>>
>> I know what explain means,
>
> Then you lied when you said you did explain. You can't get around
> this. You were suppose to explain. You didn't. You said you did.
> This does not add up.
Your a liar and an idiot. I explained it above and since you inserted your
comment here the re-explanation is below.
>> . . . perhaps you give it a different meaning. The
>> explanation was above, words have meanings, not merely "a meaning"
>> and when someone reads the word and takes one of its different
>> meanings they miss
>> what the Author is saying.
>>
>>>> . . . and I'm waiting for you to explain what part of the
>>>> explanation you don't understand.
>>
>>> You make assertions and quote irrelevant Bible verses. That is not
>>> an explanation.
>>
>> The assertions are His and they are asserted in the verses, but you
>> are incapable of discerning their relevance.
>
> Nobody can tell what you imagine because we don't share your mind.
> Only you know what you imagine.
Again you deny the ability of His Spirit to reveal His scriptures as He
promised.
>> I'm not the only one who has
>> noticed that you have missed what is being said in every verse cited.
>
> You mean you are not the only one who is wrong? Let me guess, Dave,
> Chuck, 6, and Randy all reached the same wrong conclusion? You all
> seem to suffer the same problem.
No all who have His Spirit and see your spirit.
>>>> It's all in scripture, so you'll need to
>>>> explain to me what you've missed.
>>
>>> The part that is not in scripture but you see when you look at the
>>> page.
>>
>> It's all in scripture, so you need to specify what you don't think
>> is there.
>
> I have been all along. You tend to ignore my comments, deny them or
> call me Satan for them.
You still haven't specified what you can't see. If you're offended by my
addressing Satan when he speaks through you, don't let him.
>
>>>>>>>> . . . but since He already had the power and was doing God
>>>>>>>> things like forgiving sins,
>>
>>>>>>> Don't blame me for the contradiction. I didn't write it.
>>
>>>>>> There is no contradiction in the scriptures, it is all in your
>>>>>> head.
>>
>>>>> You project. The contradictions in the Bible are numerous and
>>>>> range on a wide and random range of topics.
>>
>>>> If you read any other book the way you read scripture, the only way
>>>> you would have gotten out of school would have been to quit.
>>
>>> This of course is false. Does it make you feel better to say such
>>> things?
>>
>> Name one other book you've read the way you're reading scripture, so
>> we can laugh together.
>
> All of them. Every book I read is a book I read. This stuff isn't
> rocket surgery.
You must have been the class fool, and its literature not rocket science.
And compared to the Author, the Bard is a Bubba.
>
>>>> Do you also see
>>>> contradictions when Dickens says "I was the best of times" and "It
>>>> was the worst of times." I see what the Author is revealing.
>>
>>> I don't have a problem with that. Now if Dickens had said "I love
>>> you so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls
>>> for all eternity" that would also have a very specific meaning. It
>>> would be sarcasm illustrating the dishonesty of evil dictators.
>>> Your ramblings on the other hand make no sense.
>>
>> ROTFL!!!! You're the the one defending the ones who claimed "I love
>> you
>> so much I am going to kill you all and then torture your souls for
>> all eternity" is in scripture.
>
> Haven't read Leviticus and the Gospel of John? 1 + 1 = 2
Yes, but I get what He's saying.
>> And you have shown you've missed what was being
>> revealed in scripture because you assumed it was a contradiction.
>
> It was a contradiction. There was no assumption about it.
You lie.
>
>>>>>> He is
>>>>>> God from conception to resurrection, and He proved it.
>>
>>>>> You just can't explain how because it just is - cuz you sez so.
>>
>>>> How stupid can you get? He says so: "Concerning his Son Jesus
>>>> Christ our Lord, which was made of the seed of David according to
>>>> the flesh; And declared to be the Son of God with power, according
>>>> to the spirit of holiness, by the resurrection from the dead" (Rom
>>>> 1:3-4 ).
>>
>>> Paul wrote that. When did Paul become God? When did Paul's words
>>> become God's words?
>>
>> Get out of my face, Satan.
>
> Now Satan is chasing you around the room? Well don't let him catch
> you. Whatever you do don't sign anything with your own blood.
No, He's just using you.
>
>> The Author is God and it is His Spirit speaking
>
> Then why did God lie and say the author is Paul?
He didn't, you did.
>
>> in Paul, Paul speaks in character but it is the Author who
>> determines what
>> He said. Haven't you read, "the Holy Spirit Says" as in Heb 3:7.
>
> Yeah even the parts of Paul's letters that Paul says are not God's
> word are God's word because God inspired Paul to write that those
> parts were not inspired by God because God lies? -> <-
Like this? "I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as
one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful' (1Cor 7:25)? Of
course! .
It is you, not Paul, who says it is not God's word. You are too anxious to
dismiss His word, so you can ignore it and make yourself God. You ignore His
attributing to the Spirit: "I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained
mercy of the Lord to be faithful.'
>>>>>>>> . . . speaking to a storm to end it, and raising the dead (Matt
>>>>>>>> 11:5).
>>
>>>>>>> Not new to the Bible.
>>
>>>>>>>> What
>>>>>>>> has been given to Him is what He already had, but it is now
>>>>>>>> extended to what
>>>>>>>> He redeemed.
>>
>>>>>>> That is not what it said. Why do you believe what the Bible does
>>>>>>> not say?
>>
>>>>>> That is exactly what it says.
>>
>>>>> You can't be given exactly what you had before you were given it.
>>>>> That doesn't make any sense. Words have meaning you know.
>>
>>>> Pay attention: He is given authority over the ones He redeemed,
>>
>>> Because he didn't have it before it was _given_ to him thus Jesus
>>> was not almighty. You pay attention. Words have meaning. Given is a
>>> verb and it denotes someone has something they did not have before.
>>
>> What an idiot!
>
> Got any valid points?
The idiot missed them all.
>
>> He didn't have authority . . .
>
> When he was not _all_ mighty. Now was there a time when Christ was
> not _all_ mighty?
>
Of course He was idiot. He gave the right, not the might.
>> . . . over the ones redeemed because they
>> weren't redeemed yet.
>
> If God doesn't have authority over the unredeemed then God is not all
> mighty.
Yes He is almiighty, idiot. Again, it was the authority given at the fall,
not His might.
>
>> When they are redeemed and the captives are set free
>> they are no longer under the Satan's authority. That He sets the
>> captives
>> free instead making them His captives, is not a matter of His
>> lacking the might; it is a matter of His word. That He gives Satan
>> his time is not a
>> matter of might, for He ends it when Satan's time is up. .
>
> You really don't understand these concepts.
ROTFL!!!! You are the one ignorant of the concepts.
>
>
>>>> . . . who were not
>>>> redeemed untill He redeemed them. Do I really have to point that
>>>> out to you?
>>
>>> Clearly you could not if your tried. But do go on imagining that you
>>> did/would/could.
>>
>> You're probably right. It's beyond you.
>
> No I get it just fine. I know what the word "all" means.
> Consequently I know what almighty means.
ROTFL!!!!! Obviously not.
>
>>>>>> The rest of mankind is given to His authority.
>>
>>>>> So Jesus was not almighty in Matthew's opinion. He could have been
>>>>> wrong.
>>
>>>> He doesn't covet the adversary's servants because He wouldn't, not
>>>> because He couldn't. Matthew knew that. It is you who doesn'tl
>>
>>> Then Matthew lied when he wrote Jesus was "given" something. You
>>> can't be given what you always had. But the Bible is not a
>>> collection of various opinions held by men so clearly God is
>>> schizophrenic. NOT!
>>
>> ROTFL!!! It is you who lies, and your being schizophrenic would
>> explain a
>> lot of things.
>
> Only in your world. Only in your world.
It would explain you in any world.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 1, 1:59pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [..]
>>> Yet you run from Catholicism. You act orthodox when you are
>>> unorthodox.
>>
>
> Thus you are as much a heretic as anybody you persecute. Why do you
> attack others for being in heresy just like you?
Crawl back under your rock, Satan.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 1, 6:38pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
But some know the meaning of "reject" and "condemned" and do not attack
Christians who do not embrace the devil and his followers.
Again, Titus 3:10-11
A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of
himself.
Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jul 1, 11:33am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes Gram
> >>> is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>
> >> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>
> > You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> > admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise stop
> > pretending.
>
> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers because both
> were Christians.
Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
> I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist,
If you are Protestant then you reject established doctrine.
Rejecting established doctrine makes you a heretic.
> . . .do you
> have a box to put that in, simple-minded bigot?
Huh? I don't hate you for being a Protestant. If anything I find
your hypocrisy over being a heretic who hunts heretics to be quite
amusing.
> >>>> He said it of a brother in Christ.
>
> >>> True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out your
> >>> brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
>
> >> You still don't get the picture.
>
> > That you say things that are not true about others. Oh that is loud
> > and clear.
>
> More of your lies, the truth is a matter of record and it's still available
> on the net for all to see.
>
>
>
> >> You are the heretic advocating embracing
> >> the children of Satan and sismissing sound doctrine.
>
> > See what I mean? You say things about me that are not true and you
> > can't wrap your mind around the idea that these false things are lies.
>
> Read what you wrote, idiot. You denied scripture is the word of God,
Where did you establish that every word is the word of God? Without
that you have nothing. And you don't have that do you? All you have
is your belief.
> remember your "playing telephone analogy" which ignored the scriptural fact
> that the Author is the Holy Spirit who reveals it to His.
Is "scriptural fact" some kind of double talk for "not a fact"? Yes I
made the analogy with the "Telephone" game. So far nobody has been
able to refute it. So far none of this proves your claim that I
advocate embracing the children of Satan or dismissing sound
doctrine. Of course I mean "sound" in the sense of having merit and
being able to withstand testing. Perhaps you mean "sound" in the
sense that it might be completely lacking in merit and cannot
withstand the simplest of tests but the Catholic church established it
and called it "sound" for the purposes of propaganda. I would dismiss
that kind of doctrine if that is what you meant.
> >> It is you and your
> >> kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of
> >> Christ,
>
> > You don't know Christ said that.
>
> I do know Christ said that.
Show me the proof. Remember I didn't ask for proof that this story
appears in some literature - say written by either the authors of
Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or perhaps by Paul or so on. I'm asking if
you have proof that the real Jesus really said it.
> You are the one who doesn't know it,
Apparently nobody _knows_ it.
> . . . and the
> reason is the revealer of what Christ said is not with you: "But the
> Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he
> shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance,
> whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).
Quoting an irrelevant Bible verse and claiming it applies to me? How
original.
> >> . . . for
> >> it is better to be rid of the disruly members than to burn in hell
> >> with them . .
>
> > You don't know anything about Christianity. The sad part is that had
> > you been born a few hundred years ago you would be the one they would
> > burn at the stake as a heretic.
>
> It is you who knows nothing about Christianity, which is obvious in
> everything you post.
I didn't forget anything from the time when I was exactly like you.
Every strategy in your playbook was mine. Ah but being a
fundamentalist for 30 years means I know nothing about being a
fundamentalist. Whatever.
> > [...]
> >>> The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads you
> >>> to the wrong conclusions.
>
> >> More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in anyones
> >> head and no one has suggested He did, where did you get that idea?
>
> > Either you are in the same boat as the rest of us with nothing. Or
> > you have "discernment" which is your own imagination leading you to
> > attack people. You claim to have special knowledge that I don't well
> > guess what that is.
>
> All believers, as you don't know, have His discernment,
You don't know that either. At least I'm honest about it.
> here's one of your
> so-called irrelevant verses: "But the natural man receiveth not the things
> of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
> them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor. 2:14).
For all you know that verse could be explaining why you don't get this
stuff. That might be why you get the wrong answers.
[..]
> >>> Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
> >>> time.
>
> >> You are deceived.
>
> > You claim this based on what? Cuz you sez so?
>
> You've been confessing that in everything you write. You doubt everything.
So now you don't know the difference between doubt and deceived?
People who have no doubts are scary. You think you know it all and
that is very dangerous.
> >> I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians.
>
> > Thus you are delusional.
>
> No, observant.
You seem to think heretics are not Christian when the leader of the
main Orthodox branch embraced heretics as brothers in Christ. If the
pope can do it for Graham then why can't you do it too, since you are
as much a rejector of established doctrine as any other heretic?
> >> I've
> >> not seen you defend a single Christian.
>
> > See a shrink.
>
> See an exorcist
Dude that would be so funny. If it didn't violate my rule about
personal information I would love to have you video tape yourself
trying to cast out my "demons". That would be a real hoot!
[..]
> >>>> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>
> >>> Of what?
>
> >> Of the absence of His Spirit.
>
> > That one that misleads you and confuses you? That isn't God.
>
> The Holy Spirit is God, you aren't.
I know. I have never said nor implied that the HS was not God. I
have also never said nor implied that I was God.
See you can look at a blank screen and read things that are not
present. I never said or implied those things but somehow you got the
idea that I did. That idea was internal to you. It came from you.
> >> An example of a natural man trying to cope
> >> with things spiritual. What you miss in scripture, and what you
> >> think you see. You have no idea of what folks with discernment are
> >> seeing.
>
> > Ah there you go with the voice in your head again. You got that
> > discernment that leads you to all sorts of wrong conclusions - chiefly
> > among them is that it does not lead you to wrong conclusions.
>
> Your the one with the voices in your head. I'm the one with His Spirit in
> my heart, warning folks about the deceivers you try to defend.
Because I do not brag about how God puts divine discernment strait
into my brain like he does not do for everyone else and this knowledge
makes me a better Christian than everyone else. Yet you do claim
something like that.
> >>>>>>>> There are Christians in most
> >>>>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> >>>>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>
> >>>>>> It is the reality.
>
> >>>>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>
> >>>> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>
> >>> Proof?
>
> >> Read what you write.
>
> > Once again you give the bankrupt answer. You can't support your
> > claims. All you can do is brag about how your wonderful discernment
> > leads you right as you keep getting it wrong.
>
> The proof is in what you wrote and it is still on the net for anyone to see.
And you still can't point to it.
Matt
wrote:
>Dr. House wrote:
>> On Jul 1, 6:38pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [..]
>>>> Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>>>
>>> lol
>>
>> Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
>> found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
>
>But some know the meaning of "reject" and "condemned" and do not attack
>Christians who do not embrace the devil and his followers.
>
>Again, Titus 3:10-11
> A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition reject;
>knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth, being condemned of
>himself.
The NKJV and the NIV use "Divisive" instead of Heretic and the NASB
uses "Factious"
Titus 3:10-11 (New King James Version)
Scripture taken from the New King James Version. Copyright � 1982 by
Thomas Nelson, Inc. Used by permission. All rights reserved
10 Reject a divisive man after the first and second admonition, 11
knowing that such a person is warped and sinning, being
self-condemned.
Titus 3:10-11 (New International Version)
10 Warn a divisive person once, and then warn him a second time. After
that, have nothing to do with him. 11 You may be sure that such a man
is warped and sinful; he is self-condemned
Titus 3:10-11 (New American Standard Bible)
10 Reject a (B)factious man after a first and second warning,
11knowing that such a man is perverted and is sinning, being
self-condemned.
Now the footnote for factious lead you to this verse
Romans 16:17 (New American Standard Bible)
17 Now I urge you, brethren, keep your eye on those who cause
dissensions and hindrances contrary to the teaching which you learned,
and turn away from them.
Matt
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 2, 3:56am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dr. House wrote:
>>> On Jul 1, 11:33am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes
>>>>> Gram is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>>
>>>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>>
>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
>>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
>>> stop pretending.
>>
>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
>> because both were Christians.
>
> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
As you know, Satan, but continue to repeat your lies I do accept and defend
my brothers in Christ. It is the folks with the doctrines contrary to Chrost
who I do not accept.
>
>> I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist,
>
> If you are Protestant then you reject established doctrine.
> Rejecting established doctrine makes you a heretic.
Satan, you're an idiot. I proclaim the doctrines of scripture and oppose the
doctrines of men who contradict scripture.
>> . . .do you
>> have a box to put that in, simple-minded bigot?
>
> Huh? I don't hate you for being a Protestant. If anything I find
> your hypocrisy over being a heretic who hunts heretics to be quite
> amusing.
Still echoing the same old lie. He defines heresy in His word, where He tell
us you are a liar, and you add an example of your simple-minded, boolean,
love/hate thinking again.
>
>
>>>>>> He said it of a brother in Christ.
>>
>>>>> True. Now let's drop your pointless obsession with pointing out
>>>>> your brothers in Christ are heretics just like you.
>>
>>>> You still don't get the picture.
>>
>>> That you say things that are not true about others. Oh that is loud
>>> and clear.
>>
>> More of your lies, the truth is a matter of record and it's still
>> available on the net for all to see.
>>
>>
>>
>>>> You are the heretic advocating embracing
>>>> the children of Satan and sismissing sound doctrine.
>>
>>> See what I mean? You say things about me that are not true and you
>>> can't wrap your mind around the idea that these false things are
>>> lies.
>>
>> Read what you wrote, idiot. You denied scripture is the word of God,
>
> Where did you establish that every word is the word of God? Without
> that you have nothing. And you don't have that do you? All you have
> is your belief.
Don't change the subject, you denied that scripture is the word of God. I
have not denied it and I do have every word with His scriptures and His
Spirit, and in Him I have everything.
>> remember your "playing telephone analogy" which ignored the
>> scriptural fact that the Author is the Holy Spirit who reveals it to
>> His.
>
> Is "scriptural fact" some kind of double talk for "not a fact"?
No, Satan, a fact confirmed in scripture is a scriptural fact.
> Yes I made the analogy with the "Telephone" game. So far nobody has been
> able to refute it.
You lie, Satan, that the Holy Spirit will reveal all and provides His
discernment to His, refutes your other lie that His scriptures have not been
accurately transmitted.
That it is written in the scriptures, which you deny, does not alter the
fact that we who do follow Him have received His word.
> So far none of this proves your claim that I
> advocate embracing the children of Satan or dismissing sound
> doctrine. Of course I mean "sound" in the sense of having merit and
> being able to withstand testing.
So far your what you have expressed has been soundly refuted by scripture.
> Perhaps you mean "sound" in the
> sense that it might be completely lacking in merit and cannot
> withstand the simplest of tests but the Catholic church established it
> and called it "sound" for the purposes of propaganda. I would dismiss
> that kind of doctrine if that is what you meant.
You know what I mean by sound doctrine, Satan, for you've been told and told
and told that sound doctrine is revealed in scripture, the scriptures you
deny: Again, the relevant scriptures you presume irrelevant because His word
disagrees with you opinion: "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16), "But the natural man receiveth not the things
of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14).
>
>>>> It is you and your
>>>> kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of
>>>> Christ,
>>
>>> You don't know Christ said that.
>>
>> I do know Christ said that.
>
> Show me the proof. Remember I didn't ask for proof that this story
> appears in some literature - say written by either the authors of
> Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or perhaps by Paul or so on. I'm asking if
> you have proof that the real Jesus really said it.
ROTFL!!!!! What an idiot! HIS SPIRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
>> You are the one who doesn't know it,
>
> Apparently nobody _knows_ it.
His followers know it.
>
>
>> . . . and the
>> reason is the revealer of what Christ said is not with you: "But the
>> Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my
>> name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your
>> remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you" (John 14:26).
>
> Quoting an irrelevant Bible verse and claiming it applies to me? How
> original.
No it applies to His followers, not you.
>>>> . . . for
>>>> it is better to be rid of the disruly members than to burn in hell
>>>> with them . .
>>
>>> You don't know anything about Christianity. The sad part is that had
>>> you been born a few hundred years ago you would be the one they
>>> would burn at the stake as a heretic.
>>
>> It is you who knows nothing about Christianity, which is obvious in
>> everything you post.
>
> I didn't forget anything from the time when I was exactly like you.
> Every strategy in your playbook was mine. Ah but being a
> fundamentalist for 30 years means I know nothing about being a
> fundamentalist. Whatever.
ROTFL!!! You don't even know Him.
>>> [...]
>>>>> The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads
>>>>> you to the wrong conclusions.
>>
>>>> More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in
>>>> anyones head and no one has suggested He did, where did you get
>>>> that idea?
>>
>>> Either you are in the same boat as the rest of us with nothing. Or
>>> you have "discernment" which is your own imagination leading you to
>>> attack people. You claim to have special knowledge that I don't well
>>> guess what that is.
>>
>> All believers, as you don't know, have His discernment,
>
> You don't know that either. At least I'm honest about it.
I do know, and now you admit you don't. Are you retracting all your inane
judgments too?
>
>> here's one of your
>> so-called irrelevant verses: "But the natural man receiveth not the
>> things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
>> neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
>> (1Cor. 2:14).
>
> For all you know that verse could be explaining why you don't get this
> stuff. That might be why you get the wrong answers.
Remember, your the one who doesn't know.
> [..]
>>>>> Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
>>>>> time.
>>
>>>> You are deceived.
>>
>>> You claim this based on what? Cuz you sez so?
>>
>> You've been confessing that in everything you write. You doubt
>> everything.
>
> So now you don't know the difference between doubt and deceived?
> People who have no doubts are scary. You think you know it all and
> that is very dangerous.
ROTFL!!!! More of your lies, Satan, I simply know a lot of what you
don't.Your doubt of Him and His word is the result of being deceived, and
your doubting everything is what's scary..
>>>> I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians.
>>
>>> Thus you are delusional.
>>
>> No, observant.
>
> You seem to think heretics are not Christian when the leader of the
> main Orthodox branch embraced heretics as brothers in Christ. If the
> pope can do it for Graham then why can't you do it too, since you are
> as much a rejector of established doctrine as any other heretic?
Your an idiot, for you've been shown, shown, shown, and shown that scripture
determines doctrine, not men. When are you going to remember it?..
>>>> I've
>>>> not seen you defend a single Christian.
>>
>>> See a shrink.
>>
>> See an exorcist
>
> Dude that would be so funny. If it didn't violate my rule about
> personal information I would love to have you video tape yourself
> trying to cast out my "demons". That would be a real hoot!
There's nothing funny about an exorcism, though the events may be when its
over, but I wasn't recommending your being exorcised when you'd welcome the
spirit to return. The exorcist would confirm the demon, then the exorcist
would work with your denial, and when you were prepared to have it cast out
to remain out, he would exorcise you.
>>>>>> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>>
>>>>> Of what?
>>
>>>> Of the absence of His Spirit.
>>
>>> That one that misleads you and confuses you? That isn't God.
>>
>> The Holy Spirit is God, you aren't.
>
> I know. I have never said nor implied that the HS was not God. I
> have also never said nor implied that I was God.
Not in those words, you did, however, say He was a voice in the head, and
your were presuming to judge God as a voice in the head not of God. In
short, you did.
> See you can look at a blank screen and read things that are not
> present. I never said or implied those things but somehow you got the
> idea that I did. That idea was internal to you. It came from you.
You lie again, Satan.
>>>> An example of a natural man trying to cope
>>>> with things spiritual. What you miss in scripture, and what you
>>>> think you see. You have no idea of what folks with discernment are
>>>> seeing.
>>
>>> Ah there you go with the voice in your head again. You got that
>>> discernment that leads you to all sorts of wrong conclusions -
>>> chiefly among them is that it does not lead you to wrong
>>> conclusions.
>>
>> Your the one with the voices in your head. I'm the one with His
>> Spirit in my heart, warning folks about the deceivers you try to
>> defend.
>
> Because I do not brag about how God puts divine discernment strait
> into my brain like he does not do for everyone else and this knowledge
> makes me a better Christian than everyone else. Yet you do claim
> something like that.
You lie again, Satan, as He does for all His followers who allow Him. I
claim He keeps His promise. You call it a lie.
>
>
>>>>>>>>>> There are Christians in most
>>>>>>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>>
>>>>>>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>>
>>>>>>>> It is the reality.
>>
>>>>>>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>>
>>>>>> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>>
>>>>> Proof?
>>
>>>> Read what you write.
>>
>>> Once again you give the bankrupt answer. You can't support your
>>> claims. All you can do is brag about how your wonderful discernment
>>> leads you right as you keep getting it wrong.
>>
>> The proof is in what you wrote and it is still on the net for anyone
>> to see.
>
> And you still can't point to it.
see above. Anyone can Google up your lies.
Fred A Stover
> On Thu, 2 Jul 2009 13:56:49 -0500, "Fred A Stover" <fst...@tx.rr.com>
> wrote:
>
>> Dr. House wrote:
>>> On Jul 1, 6:38pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>> [..]
>>>>> Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>>>>
>>>> lol
>>>
>>> Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
>>> found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
>>
>> But some know the meaning of "reject" and "condemned" and do not
>> attack Christians who do not embrace the devil and his followers.
>>
>> Again, Titus 3:10-11
>> A man that is an heretic after the first and second admonition
>> reject; knowing that he that is such is subverted, and sinneth,
>> being condemned of himself.
>
> The NKJV and the NIV use "Divisive" instead of Heretic and the NASB
> uses "Factious"
That's what a heretic in the KJV means, divisive, teaching against the
doctrines of scripture. That the heretic is already condemned and should be
rejected is what reveals that it is the sin not forgiven: "whosoever speaks
against the Holy Spirit it shall not be forgiven him, neither in this world,
neither in the world to come" (Matt 12:32).
--
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>
Dr. House
I found your insane rant to be quite entertaining. A few highlights
that I would like to address:
[..]
> It's your problem; you seek the help
I'm not the one claiming God speaks to him and gives him special
knowledge that makes him a real Christian and those who don't get this
special knowledge not Christian. That would be you and your
"discernment" tells you things that are false.
[...]
> > Scripture speaks contrary to scripture.
>
> Satan, you're a liar.
Always a convincing argument. LOL
[..]
> > It's your accusation and it is based on _nothing_. It's your lie. I
> > happen to know for a fact that one of those you attack loves Jesus.
> > You don't know a thing about it but you attack anyway. All that while
> > you feel justified because the voice in your head said to do it.
>
> Satan, you are a liar. They may love Jesus their gardener, or the Jesus
> they've created in their image, but when they love the Jesus of scripture,
> they thank me for correcting them, and cease teaching false doctrine, giving
> no reason for attacking their doctrine.
Your delusion is interesting. Do you wear a cape?
[...]
> >>> Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all it
> >>> takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your
> >>> accusation with citations.
>
> >> You did by defending blasphemers . . .
>
> > Don't lie.
>
> I don't; you're the perpetual liar.
Defending a blasphemer does not mean that calling oneself a Christian
is all it takes to be a Christian. Can you not see how one has
nothing to do with the other?
[...]
> >>>> 2 Tim. 3:16
> >>>> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
> >>>> for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> >>>> righteousness:
>
> >>> This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define scripture.
>
> >> The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
>
> > It does in the Bible.
>
> Which shows you lied again.
How did I "lie" here? Are you claiming John 1 is not in the Bible?
> >>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> >>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
> >>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>
> >>> This does not define "Christian" either.
>
> >> No, but it reveals that it is the Christian who sees sense in things
> >> Spiritual, and it is the natural man to whom it makes no sense.
>
> > This doesn't mean the things you think you know are real.
>
> It does mean that what I know through Him is real.
Belief is not knowledge. If you 'knew' these things then you could
explain them without having to do the "liar liar pants on fire"
routine.
> >>>> Why don't you know that.
>
> >>> Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
>
> >> Folks with His spiritual discernment do know that.
>
> > Cuz you sez so.
>
> No, He said so.
You can't prove that. All you have are beliefs.
[...]
> >> Scripture tells us whoever says Jesus is not returning
> >> in the flesh is an antichrist,
>
> > You have no idea if God said this.
> > You have no clue that people denied this even though you look right at
> > a post when the topic is not there.
>
> Again, you're a liar and an idiot.
Then provide the proof that God said it.
> It's written in scripture
That is not what "God said it" means.
> . . . and the Holy
> Spirit confirms it,
Proof?
> . . . and I also knew they denied it when they posted that his
> return was to be spiritual, not phisical, and posted that He had already
> returned.
Pardon, who are you talking about now?
[...]
> >> . . . yet when I address the spirit posting that as> Satan
> >> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>
> > See a shrink. Maybe they can give you medication that will clear it
> > up.
>
> See an exorcist.
That would be quite funny.
> >> Scripture tells us that God would
> >> have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the
> >> heretic . . .
>
> > You are a heretic. Shouldn't you address your own heresy first?
>
> You lie again,
No Fred, it is true that you have rejected doctrine established by the
Catholic church. You are a heretic.
> . . . you are the heretic as your online record shows..
I have never claimed that I was Catholic. I have attended Catholic
mass for a time but if anybody asked I told them that I was not
Catholic.
> >> . . . saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment,
> >> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>
> > You are a heretic who won't forgive other heretics. Yeah it's a
> > problem for you.
>
> Read His lips again, Satan: "A man that is an heretick
That would be you. You are not Catholic.
> . . . after the first and
> second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted, and
> sinneth, being condemned of himself" (Titus 3:10-11). He's already
> condemned, speaking against the Holy Spirit, the Author, isn't forgiven.
You cannot show that Titus was written by the Holy Spirit.
> Another esample of embracing the heretics and attacking the Christian.
Heretics are Christian. Hello?
> >> That by the way is where this thread started.
>
> >>>>> Do you have any valid points?
>
> >>>> Again, you need to pay attention.
>
> >>> Let's see some valid points from you.
>
> >> See above.
>
> > You provided none.
>
> You lie.
Well why don't you prove me wrong by repeating a valid point you
made? Go on.
> >>>>>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>
> >>>>>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>
> >>>>>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>
> >>>>> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then why
> >>>>> do you not know they were in disagreement?
>
> >>>> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
>
> >>> I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
>
> >> You lie.
>
> > The voices in your head tell you things about me that are not true?
> > They are not from God. They certainly are not God. God wouldn't tell
> > you things that are false.
>
> Again you lie.
Now you think God would tell you things that are false? Oh man I'm
sorry to hear that.
> Your the one with voices in the head.
I don't go around bragging about how God puts discernment into my
brain and it proves I am a real Christian.
> It is the Holy Spirit
> who is God.
That is not contested. Why bring it up? Do you say things at random?
[...]
> >>>> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
> >>>> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
>
> >>> I've seen it.
>
> >> Then you merely saw the words and missed what he said.
>
> > You tell me what I already know. Then you tell me that I did not know
> > it and I did not see it. I inform you that I have seen it. You call
> > me a liar for it. Yet I didn't miss anything. I have no response to
> > the things you bring up because they are irrelevant, not because I
> > don't know them.
>
> You obviously don't know it, or I wouldn't have to show it to you.
You didn't have to show me. You are talking nonsense.
[...]
> >> It is you who denies the ability of His spirit to
> >> provide His discernment.
>
> > I have never done that. Don't mix up my comments about the voices in
> > your head with claims I make about God. They are not the same thing
> > at all.
>
> Satan, your a liar.
Can you write anything else? It's like you can't type unless you
start with those words.
> There are no voices in my head, simply the discernment . . .
That would be the voices in your head that you say are not there.
They tell you things that are false and then you brag about this
discernment that mislead you and how it proves you are a real
Christian and those without it are not.
> . . . of the Holy Spirit, who revealed what disagrees with your opinions,
If it was the Holy Spirit then your answers would have been true.
That they are false proves they are not.
> . . . and you
> denied His discernment and mocked His promise of discernment.
No, I mocked you and your wrong answers that you say are from God.
> >>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> >>>> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
> >>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>
> >>> Again you have the same problem.
>
> >> Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't know
> >> they
> >> are understood together?
>
> > What are you talking about now?
>
> ROTFL!!!!!
Now you can't even explain what your own ramblings mean.
How fun!
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Dr. House <hso...@hotmail.com> typed:
> On Jul 2, 3:56 am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dr. House wrote:
>>> On Jul 1, 11:33am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> [...]
>>>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes
>>>>> Gram is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>>
>>>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>>
>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
>>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
>>> stop pretending.
>>
>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
>> because both were Christians.
>
> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
Are you dreaming? He DOES accept his brothers in Christ.
Dr. House
[...]
> >>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> >>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
> >>> stop pretending.
>
> >> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
> >> because both were Christians.
>
> > Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
>
> As you know, Satan, but continue to repeat your lies I do accept and defend
> my brothers in Christ.
You call me Satan and in the same sentence you claim to accept and
defend me. Are you on drugs?
> It is the folks with the doctrines contrary to Chrost
> who I do not accept.
You have no clue which doctrines are contrary to Christ. You yourself
reject established doctrine. That is what makes you a heretic. Yet
you insist in hunting people who are just like you and pretending they
are enemies of Christ.
> >> I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist,
>
> > If you are Protestant then you reject established doctrine.
> > Rejecting established doctrine makes you a heretic.
>
> Satan, you're an idiot.
Polly want a cracker? It's all you say. You are like a trained bird.
Satan you lie
Satan you're an idiot
Satan you lie
Polly wants a cracker
Satan you lie
> I proclaim the doctrines of scripture and oppose the
> doctrines of men who contradict scripture.
You can't prove that. You form an opinion about scripture. This
opinion is from you. You made it. Yet you elevate your own thoughts
to the level of God. Look at how much harm you do with this sin.
> >> . . .do you
> >> have a box to put that in, simple-minded bigot?
>
> > Huh? I don't hate you for being a Protestant. If anything I find
> > your hypocrisy over being a heretic who hunts heretics to be quite
> > amusing.
>
> Still echoing the same old lie.
I'm not the one who sounds like a trained parrot. I'm not lying. I
find your hypocrisy amusing.
> He defines heresy in His word,
By that standard you are a heretic as well since you are a divisive
man. Either way you are a heretic who is obsessed with hunting and
exposing heretics.
> . . . where He tell
> us you are a liar, and you add an example of your simple-minded, boolean,
> love/hate thinking again.
Yes I'm sure there is a Bible verse that talks about Dr. House of Alt
Christnet Christianlife. Perhaps it's in the Second Epistle of Fred.
I would be _crazy_ to suggest no such verse exists in the Bible.
Whatever!
[...]
> >> Read what you wrote, idiot. You denied scripture is the word of God,
>
> > Where did you establish that every word is the word of God? Without
> > that you have nothing. And you don't have that do you? All you have
> > is your belief.
>
> Don't change the subject, you denied that scripture is the word of God.
Only the contradictions. Now where did you establish that every
single word is the word of God? Without that you have nothing. All
you have is your belief.
> I
> have not denied it and I do have every word with His scriptures and His
> Spirit, and in Him I have everything.
You mean in your fantasy world where you are God. You don't have to
prove anything. By simply stating something you bring it into
existence.
In the real world 'proof' has a very different meaning. You don't
have any.
> >> remember your "playing telephone analogy" which ignored the
> >> scriptural fact that the Author is the Holy Spirit who reveals it to
> >> His.
>
> > Is "scriptural fact" some kind of double talk for "not a fact"?
>
> No, Satan, a fact confirmed in scripture is a scriptural fact.
But something that is not fact could not be a scriptural fact.
> > Yes I made the analogy with the "Telephone" game. So far nobody has been
> > able to refute it.
>
> You lie, Satan,
Polly want a cracker? A parrot with voice recognition software could
argue as well as you.
> . . . that the Holy Spirit will reveal all and provides His
> discernment to His, refutes your other lie that His scriptures have not been
> accurately transmitted.
Your proclamations and decrees refute nothing. In the real world
'refute' has a meaning as well.
> That it is written in the scriptures, which you deny,
No, I don't deny what is written in the literature. Why would you
make up false things about me?
> . . . does not alter the
> fact that we who do follow Him have received His word.
If it is fact then why can't you prove it?
> > So far none of this proves your claim that I
> > advocate embracing the children of Satan or dismissing sound
> > doctrine. Of course I mean "sound" in the sense of having merit and
> > being able to withstand testing.
>
> So far your what you have expressed has been soundly refuted by scripture.
You don't understand what any of these words mean do you? You are
just stringing them together in random order.
You have _not_ demonstrated that what I have said is _not_possible_.
Spouting off your opinion and calling me Satan/liar a thousand times
is meaningless in this task. You have not shown that what I have said
is not possible.
> > Perhaps you mean "sound" in the
> > sense that it might be completely lacking in merit and cannot
> > withstand the simplest of tests but the Catholic church established it
> > and called it "sound" for the purposes of propaganda. I would dismiss
> > that kind of doctrine if that is what you meant.
>
> You know what I mean by sound doctrine,
So now you are a mind reader as well?
> . . . Satan, for you've been told and told
> and told that sound doctrine is revealed in scripture,
And that definition is meaningless. How can I know what you mean when
you give a meaningless answer?
> . . . . the scriptures you
> deny
I don't deny that they exist. I only point out that you can't prove
the thing you use to hurt others.
> Again, the relevant scriptures you presume irrelevant because His word
> disagrees with you opinion:
I don't presume they are irrelevant. They are irrelevant because they
have no obvious tie to this conversation and you can produce no tie to
this conversation. That fact makes them irrelevant.
> . . . "All scripture is given by inspiration of God,
> and is profitable for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction
> in righteousness" (2Tim 3:16),
And if 2 Tim had defined what it's author meant by "all scripture"
then you would know the opinion of an anonymous forger. Yes yes, very
impressive.
> "But the natural man receiveth not the things
> of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know
> them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14).
This certainly would explain why you can't understand any of these
things.
> >>>> It is you and your
> >>>> kindred spirits of which Christ told us to be rid in the body of
> >>>> Christ,
>
> >>> You don't know Christ said that.
>
> >> I do know Christ said that.
>
> > Show me the proof. Remember I didn't ask for proof that this story
> > appears in some literature - say written by either the authors of
> > Matthew, Mark, Luke, John, or perhaps by Paul or so on. I'm asking if
> > you have proof that the real Jesus really said it.
>
> ROTFL!!!!! What an idiot! HIS SPIRIT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Like I said, you have no proof. Thus you don't know. It's only a
belief you hold. Now stop hurting people over your beliefs. If the
Bible is right then at Judgement Jesus is going to want to know why
you did these evil things to Him.
> >> You are the one who doesn't know it,
>
> > Apparently nobody _knows_ it.
>
> His followers know it.
Not if they can't prove it. Without proof it's only a belief.
[..]
> ROTFL!!! You don't even know Him.
You have no proof.
> >>> [...]
> >>>>> The voice in your head is not God. We know this because it leads
> >>>>> you to the wrong conclusions.
>
> >>>> More of your ignorance. God does not speak through voices in
> >>>> anyones head and no one has suggested He did, where did you get
> >>>> that idea?
>
> >>> Either you are in the same boat as the rest of us with nothing. Or
> >>> you have "discernment" which is your own imagination leading you to
> >>> attack people. You claim to have special knowledge that I don't well
> >>> guess what that is.
>
> >> All believers, as you don't know, have His discernment,
>
> > You don't know that either. At least I'm honest about it.
>
> I do know,
Yet when asked to prove it all you can do is toss out "LOL"s and
exclamation points. You have no proof so you don't know.
> . . . and now you admit you don't.
Of course I admit I can't prove it. I'm honest.
> Are you retracting all your inane
> judgments too?
I can back up everything I said about you by citing your posts. On
that topic I do know. I have evidence to point to. See the
difference? (You won't)
> >> here's one of your
> >> so-called irrelevant verses: "But the natural man receiveth not the
> >> things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him:
> >> neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned"
> >> (1Cor. 2:14).
>
> > For all you know that verse could be explaining why you don't get this
> > stuff. That might be why you get the wrong answers.
>
> Remember, your the one who doesn't know.
You don't know either. You have no proof.
> > [..]
> >>>>> Defending Christians and Christianity is how I choose to spend my
> >>>>> time.
>
> >>>> You are deceived.
>
> >>> You claim this based on what? Cuz you sez so?
>
> >> You've been confessing that in everything you write. You doubt
> >> everything.
>
> > So now you don't know the difference between doubt and deceived?
> > People who have no doubts are scary. You think you know it all and
> > that is very dangerous.
>
> ROTFL!!!! More of your lies, Satan, I simply know a lot of what you
> don't.
And you can't prove any of it. You said I was decieved. I asked you
to prove it and instead you claimed I doubt everything.
> Your doubt of Him
Exists only in your imagination. Did you confuse that for God beaming
information into your brain?
> . . . and His word
Where is the proof?
> . . . is the result of being deceived,
You can't prove that either. All you can do is squak like a bird.
> and
> your doubting everything is what's scary..
How so? It's living in truth. When I don't have the answer I don't
lie to myself and others.
> >>>> I've seen you defend heretics and attack Christians.
>
> >>> Thus you are delusional.
>
> >> No, observant.
>
> > You seem to think heretics are not Christian when the leader of the
> > main Orthodox branch embraced heretics as brothers in Christ. If the
> > pope can do it for Graham then why can't you do it too, since you are
> > as much a rejector of established doctrine as any other heretic?
>
> Your an idiot, for you've been shown, shown, shown, and shown that scripture
> determines doctrine, not men.
No, I have only been shown 2Tim 3:16. I know what it says. There
isn't anything it could say that would make scripture determine
doctrine rather than men. You deny fact.
> When are you going to remember it?..
You have not proven a thing. Prove it and then we will talk about me
remembering what you have proven.
> >>>> I've
> >>>> not seen you defend a single Christian.
>
> >>> See a shrink.
>
> >> See an exorcist
>
> > Dude that would be so funny. If it didn't violate my rule about
> > personal information I would love to have you video tape yourself
> > trying to cast out my "demons". That would be a real hoot!
>
> There's nothing funny about an exorcism,
Oh yeah, there would be.
> . . . though the events may be when its
> over, but I wasn't recommending your being exorcised when you'd welcome the
> spirit to return. The exorcist would confirm the demon, then the exorcist
> would work with your denial, and when you were prepared to have it cast out
> to remain out, he would exorcise you.
Let me guess - you would throw me in a river and if I drown then I was
innocent. But if I float then I'm a demon - or even
Satan!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Ah but you have already "discerned" that I am
Satan so we could skip that part - right?
So just how does an exorcist confirm a demon? Do tell and do be
specific.
> >>>>>> . . . but I'm using you for an example.
>
> >>>>> Of what?
>
> >>>> Of the absence of His Spirit.
>
> >>> That one that misleads you and confuses you? That isn't God.
>
> >> The Holy Spirit is God, you aren't.
>
> > I know. I have never said nor implied that the HS was not God. I
> > have also never said nor implied that I was God.
>
> Not in those words,
Not ever. I realize you are reality challenged.
> . . . you did, however, say He was a voice in the head,
No I did not. I made fun of you because you have voices in your head
which are not God. Things I say about them are comments about you and
your mental problems - such as your delusion that demons can be
confirmed.
> . . . and
> your were presuming to judge God as a voice in the head not of God.
No, that is not God. Things I say about your delusions and not about
God. I'm sorry you don't understand.
> In
> short, you did.
Only in your fantasy world.
> > See you can look at a blank screen and read things that are not
> > present. I never said or implied those things but somehow you got the
> > idea that I did. That idea was internal to you. It came from you.
>
> You lie again, Satan.
So that is what this is all about. You are upset that the voices in
your head are you. That thought scares you. Have you ever thought
about getting help?
[...]
> >> Your the one with the voices in your head. I'm the one with His
> >> Spirit in my heart, warning folks about the deceivers you try to
> >> defend.
>
> > Because I do not brag about how God puts divine discernment strait
> > into my brain like he does not do for everyone else and this knowledge
> > makes me a better Christian than everyone else. Yet you do claim
> > something like that.
>
> You lie again, Satan, as He does for all His followers who allow Him. I
> claim He keeps His promise. You call it a lie.
No silly, I find that God does not lie. That is why I think your
"discernment" is not God. God does not lie so your "discernment"
_can't_ be from God.
I'm sorry that you won't get this either.
> >>>>>>>>>> There are Christians in most
> >>>>>>>>>> denominations, but there are no denominations in Christians.
>
> >>>>>>>>> That is not consistent with reality.
>
> >>>>>>>> It is the reality.
>
> >>>>>>> Can't tell the different between reality and your beliefs?
>
> >>>>>> I sure can. It is you who conjures your imaginary reality.
>
> >>>>> Proof?
>
> >>>> Read what you write.
>
> >>> Once again you give the bankrupt answer. You can't support your
> >>> claims. All you can do is brag about how your wonderful discernment
> >>> leads you right as you keep getting it wrong.
>
> >> The proof is in what you wrote and it is still on the net for anyone
> >> to see.
>
> > And you still can't point to it.
>
> see above. Anyone can Google up your lies.
Like I said you can't point to it. Every time I ask you to it's
always "see above".
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 2, 11:31am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I found your insane rant to be quite entertaining. A few highlights
> that I would like to address:
Your the fool serving the devil.
>> It's your problem; you seek the help
>
> I'm not the one claiming God speaks to him and gives him special
> knowledge that makes him a real Christian and those who don't get this
> special knowledge not Christian. That would be you and your
> "discernment" tells you things that are false.
So you say, Satan, but He says: "the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit,
whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things" (John
14:26): "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14). And contrary to your lies, what He
reveals is the truth.
> [...]
>>> Scripture speaks contrary to scripture.
>>
>> Satan, you're a liar.
>
> Always a convincing argument. LOL
You keep providing the evidence. See above.
>>> It's your accusation and it is based on _nothing_. It's your lie. I
>>> happen to know for a fact that one of those you attack loves Jesus.
>>> You don't know a thing about it but you attack anyway. All that
>>> while you feel justified because the voice in your head said to do
>>> it.
>>
>> Satan, you are a liar. They may love Jesus their gardener, or the
>> Jesus they've created in their image, but when they love the Jesus
>> of scripture, they thank me for correcting them, and cease teaching
>> false doctrine, giving no reason for attacking their doctrine.
>
> Your delusion is interesting. Do you wear a cape?
The delusion is all yours. The Jesus of scripture who created you is nothing
like the Jesus you've created in your own image.
> [...]
>>>>> Okay tell me who claimed that calling oneself a Christian was all
>>>>> it takes to be Christian? Do tell and be sure to back up your
>>>>> accusation with citations.
>>
>>>> You did by defending blasphemers . . .
>>
>>> Don't lie.
>>
>> I don't; you're the perpetual liar.
>
> Defending a blasphemer does not mean that calling oneself a Christian
> is all it takes to be a Christian. Can you not see how one has
> nothing to do with the other?
What has nothing to do with the other is your response to your being
reminded of your lying. It was your saying the ones who had already
condemned themselves according to scripture but claimed to be Christians
were followers of Christ.
> [...]
>>>>>> 2 Tim. 3:16
>>>>>> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
>>>>>> for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
>>>>>> righteousness:
>>
>>>>> This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define
>>>>> scripture.
>>
>>>> The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
>>
>>> It does in the Bible.
>>
>> Which shows you lied again.
>
> How did I "lie" here? Are you claiming John 1 is not in the Bible?
Duh........ It defines His followers as the followers of scripture. An
identity.
>>>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
>>>>>> God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>>
>>>>> This does not define "Christian" either.
>>
>>>> No, but it reveals that it is the Christian who sees sense in
>>>> things Spiritual, and it is the natural man to whom it makes no
>>>> sense.
>>
>>> This doesn't mean the things you think you know are real.
>>
>> It does mean that what I know through Him is real.
>
> Belief is not knowledge. If you 'knew' these things then you could
> explain them without having to do the "liar liar pants on fire"
> routine.
Right, and in your ignorance you call knowledge "belief" you're the one who
thinks faith isn't knowledge: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped
for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb 11:1). By believing His followers
receive His Spirit, which gives them the knowledge you ridicule because you
lack it.
We all know why you don't know that.
>>>>>> Why don't you know that.
>>
>>>>> Loaded questions will lead you to foolish conclusions.
>>
>>>> Folks with His spiritual discernment do know that.
>>
>>> Cuz you sez so.
>>
>> No, He said so.
>
> You can't prove that. All you have are beliefs.
ROTFL!!!!!!!!!!!!
> [...]
>>>> Scripture tells us whoever says Jesus is not returning
>>>> in the flesh is an antichrist,
>>
>>> You have no idea if God said this.
>>> You have no clue that people denied this even though you look right
>>> at a post when the topic is not there.
>>
>> Again, you're a liar and an idiot.
>
> Then provide the proof that God said it.
Insinuating you haven't already been shown. Here it is again, liar: "For
many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not
that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
antichrist" (2John 1:7)
>
>> It's written in scripture
>
> That is not what "God said it" means.
That's what shows that God said it, goofy.
>
>> . . . and the Holy
>> Spirit confirms it,
>
> Proof?
You already know its His job, Satan, go tempt your mama. He proves it: "Now
the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually
judged" (1Cor 2:14)
>> . . . and I also knew they denied it when they posted that his
>> return was to be spiritual, not phisical, and posted that He had
>> already returned.
>
> Pardon, who are you talking about now?
The heretics who said His return is spiritual, not physical, and that He has
already returned/
> [...]
>>>> . . . yet when I address the spirit posting that as> Satan
>>>> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>>
>>> See a shrink. Maybe they can give you medication that will clear it
>>> up.
>>
>> See an exorcist.
>
> That would be quite funny.
It would be quite serious, but I would like to see the tape.
>
>>>> Scripture tells us that God would
>>>> have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the
>>>> heretic . . .
>>
>>> You are a heretic. Shouldn't you address your own heresy first?
>>
>> You lie again,
>
> No Fred, it is true that you have rejected doctrine established by the
> Catholic church. You are a heretic.
You lie again, Satan, for it is scripure which establishes sound doctrine
"All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
(2Tim 3:16).
>
>> . . . you are the heretic as your online record shows..
>
> I have never claimed that I was Catholic. I have attended Catholic
> mass for a time but if anybody asked I told them that I was not
> Catholic.
?????? What does that have to do with anything? Are you suggesting Catholics
are heretics? You/re the heretic. So, if you go to confession and the
priest refuses to partake of your sin and forgive you, don't be surprised.
>>>> . . . saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment,
>>>> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>>
>>> You are a heretic who won't forgive other heretics. Yeah it's a
>>> problem for you.
>>
>> Read His lips again, Satan: "A man that is an heretick
>
> That would be you. You are not Catholic.
Which has nothing to do with your heresy?
>> . . . after the first and
>> second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted,
>> and sinneth, being condemned of himself" (Titus 3:10-11). He's
>> already condemned, speaking against the Holy Spirit, the Author,
>> isn't forgiven.
>
> You cannot show that Titus was written by the Holy Spirit.
By which you admit that the discernment of His Spirit is absent.
>> Another esample of embracing the heretics and attacking the
>> Christian.
>
> Heretics are Christian. Hello?
Your the only one regarding them Christians. I believe Him, who says they
are condemned in His word.
>>>> That by the way is where this thread started.
>>
>>>>>>> Do you have any valid points?
>>
>>>>>> Again, you need to pay attention.
>>
>>>>> Let's see some valid points from you.
>>
>>>> See above.
>>
>>> You provided none.
>>
>> You lie.
>
> Well why don't you prove me wrong by repeating a valid point you
> made? Go on.
ROTFL!!!!! You offer plentiful examples above.
>
>>>>>>>>>> it makes them wolves in sheeps clothing. .
>>
>>>>>>>>> So was James the wolf in sheep's clothing or was that Paul?
>>
>>>>>>>> Why don't you know they are in harmony?
>>
>>>>>>> Because I have read the Bible. If you have read the Bible then
>>>>>>> why do you not know they were in disagreement?
>>
>>>>>> Obviously not, for if you had read the Bible
>>
>>>>> I have. Why do you construct so many invalid arguments?
>>
>>>> You lie.
>>
>>> The voices in your head tell you things about me that are not true?
>>> They are not from God. They certainly are not God. God wouldn't tell
>>> you things that are false.
>>
>> Again you lie.
>
>
> Now you think God would tell you things that are false? Oh man I'm
> sorry to hear that.
Satan, your a liar. It is you who says that what God revealed is false.
>> Your the one with voices in the head.
>
> I don't go around bragging about how God puts discernment into my
> brain and it proves I am a real Christian.
Proclaiming the promises in His word only seems like bragging to the ones
who deny and lack His promises.
>
>> It is the Holy Spirit
>> who is God.
>
> That is not contested. Why bring it up? Do you say things at random?
So you say out of one side of your mouth, while saying what He revealed is
false out of the other side of your mouth.
> [...]
>>>>>> . . . you would have seen "faith, if
>>>>>> it hath not works, is dead" (James 2:17).
>>
>>>>> I've seen it.
>>
>>>> Then you merely saw the words and missed what he said.
>>
>>> You tell me what I already know. Then you tell me that I did not
>>> know it and I did not see it. I inform you that I have seen it. You
>>> call me a liar for it. Yet I didn't miss anything. I have no
>>> response to the things you bring up because they are irrelevant,
>>> not because I don't know them.
>>
>> You obviously don't know it, or I wouldn't have to show it to you.
>
> You didn't have to show me. You are talking nonsense.
Your an idiot. You saw contradiction in unity. Paul taught letting Christ
live in us, not trusting in the works of the flesh, and James teaches the
same addressing the works of faith, His works in us, not the works of the
flesh. It is when His works weren't seen in us that He wouldn't be living in
us and our faith would be dead.
> [...]
>>>> It is you who denies the ability of His spirit to
>>>> provide His discernment.
>>
>>> I have never done that. Don't mix up my comments about the voices in
>>> your head with claims I make about God. They are not the same thing
>>> at all.
>>
>> Satan, your a liar.
>
> Can you write anything else? It's like you can't type unless you
> start with those words.
Why waste words getting to the point.
>> There are no voices in my head, simply the discernment . . .
>
> That would be the voices in your head that you say are not there.
> They tell you things that are false and then you brag about this
> discernment that mislead you and how it proves you are a real
> Christian and those without it are not.
>
Your voices in the head again. What are the voices in your head saying to
you?
The followers of Christ don't have your problem.
>> . . . of the Holy Spirit, who revealed what disagrees with your
>> opinions,
>
> If it was the Holy Spirit then your answers would have been true.
> That they are false proves they are not.
Again you presume to judge God and call Him a liar.
>
>> . . . and you
>> denied His discernment and mocked His promise of discernment.
>
> No, I mocked you and your wrong answers that you say are from God.
Again you presume to judge God and call Him a liar.
>>>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
>>>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
>>>>>> God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
>>>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>>
>>>>> Again you have the same problem.
>>
>>>> Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't
>>>> know they
>>>> are understood together?
>>
>>> What are you talking about now?
>>
>> ROTFL!!!!!
>
> Now you can't even explain what your own ramblings mean.
>
> How fun!
Your ramblings defy explanation. The Spirits revelations are lucid to His.
Dr. House
wrote:
[...]
> >>>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes
> >>>>> Gram is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>
> >>>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>
> >>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> >>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
> >>> stop pretending.
>
> >> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
> >> because both were Christians.
>
> > Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
>
> Are you dreaming? He DOES accept his brothers in Christ.
By calling them Satan? By with acceptance like that who needs
rejection?
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:07f6f6c0-cd58-44bc...@n11g2000yqb.googlegroups.com,
> Randy ® <pulpitf...@gmail.com> typed:
>
> > On Jul 1, 9:55 pm, "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> wrote:
> >> On Jul 1, 6:38 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> >> wrote:
>
> >> [..]
>
> >>>> Do you ride a broom or a churn?
>
> >>> lol
>
> >> Ever here the parable about the man who's debt was forgiven then he
> >> found someone who owed him money and pressed charges?
>
> > Ever heard that the guy who came to the man who was forgiven was
> > himself confessing his debt and asking for forgiveness?
>
> Correct!
It was a question. Don't you need an answer for it to be correct?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
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No, he does not call any of his brothers in Christ Satan - are you
crazy? Oh yes, sorry, I forgot...
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Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 11:31am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > I found your insane rant to be quite entertaining. A few highlights
> > that I would like to address:
>
> Your the fool serving the devil.
I thought I was the devil. But then I also had a demon in me that
would be confirmed by exorcism. Pick a lane.
> >> It's your problem; you seek the help
>
> > I'm not the one claiming God speaks to him and gives him special
> > knowledge that makes him a real Christian and those who don't get this
> > special knowledge not Christian. That would be you and your
> > "discernment" tells you things that are false.
>
> So you say, Satan,
Ah you see. Now I am no longer serving the devil, now I am Satan. It
changes from one second to the next.
> . . . but He says: "the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit,
> whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things" (John
> 14:26): "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God:
> for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they
> are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14). And contrary to your lies, what He
> reveals is the truth.
And this might be why you can't understand any of these things.
> > [...]
> >>> Scripture speaks contrary to scripture.
>
> >> Satan, you're a liar.
>
> > Always a convincing argument. LOL
>
> You keep providing the evidence. See above.
So you don't know what "evidence" means either.
> >>> It's your accusation and it is based on _nothing_. It's your lie. I
> >>> happen to know for a fact that one of those you attack loves Jesus.
> >>> You don't know a thing about it but you attack anyway. All that
> >>> while you feel justified because the voice in your head said to do
> >>> it.
>
> >> Satan, you are a liar. They may love Jesus their gardener, or the
> >> Jesus they've created in their image, but when they love the Jesus
> >> of scripture, they thank me for correcting them, and cease teaching
> >> false doctrine, giving no reason for attacking their doctrine.
>
> > Your delusion is interesting. Do you wear a cape?
>
> The delusion is all yours.
No, I'm not the one who wrote " . . . but when they love the Jesus of
scripture, they thank me for correcting them, and cease teaching false
doctrine . . . "
Don't blame me - you wrote it.
> The Jesus of scripture who created you is nothing
> like the Jesus you've created in your own image.
But I didn't create Jesus.
[...]
> > Defending a blasphemer does not mean that calling oneself a Christian
> > is all it takes to be a Christian. Can you not see how one has
> > nothing to do with the other?
>
> What has nothing to do with the other is your response to your being
> reminded of your lying. It was your saying the ones who had already
> condemned themselves according to scripture but claimed to be Christians
> were followers of Christ.
You are a bot, aren't you? I knew those programers were getting good.
> > [...]
> >>>>>> 2 Tim. 3:16
> >>>>>> All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable
> >>>>>> for doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in
> >>>>>> righteousness:
>
> >>>>> This does not define "Christian". It also doesn't define
> >>>>> scripture.
>
> >>>> The word didn't become flesh in your scriptures?
>
> >>> It does in the Bible.
>
> >> Which shows you lied again.
>
> > How did I "lie" here? Are you claiming John 1 is not in the Bible?
>
> Duh........ It defines His followers as the followers of scripture. An
> identity.
Did you hit your head? Nothing you type makes any sense. You are
such a bot. You can't string two thoughts together and keep them
connected.
[..]
> > Belief is not knowledge. If you 'knew' these things then you could
> > explain them without having to do the "liar liar pants on fire"
> > routine.
>
> Right, and in your ignorance you call knowledge "belief" you're the one who
> thinks faith isn't knowledge: "Now faith is the substance of things hoped
> for, the evidence of things not seen" (Heb 11:1).
I don't dispute what Hebrews says. You have no proof that it wasn't
written by a man.
You think anything you believe is fact and that is the source of your
problem. You can't tell the difference between reality and what you
imagine.
[...]
> >>> You have no idea if God said this.
> >>> You have no clue that people denied this even though you look right
> >>> at a post when the topic is not there.
>
> >> Again, you're a liar and an idiot.
>
> > Then provide the proof that God said it.
>
> Insinuating you haven't already been shown.
In fact I have not been show. I don't dispute that certain words are
in certain books. That is not what I asked for. Prove God said it.
You can't and you don't even realize you can't because you don't
understand what these things mean.
> Here it is again, liar: "For
> many deceivers are gone forth into the world, even they that confess not
> that Jesus Christ cometh in the flesh. This is the deceiver and the
> antichrist" (2John 1:7)
Does not prove that God said this. You just don't get it.
[...]
> >> It's written in scripture
>
> > That is not what "God said it" means.
>
> That's what shows that God said it, goofy.
How?
> >> . . . and the Holy
> >> Spirit confirms it,
>
> > Proof?
>
> You already know its His job,
Does not prove that God did this.
> . . . Satan, go tempt your mama.
Now Satan has a mother? You are too funny.
> He proves it: "Now
> the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are
> foolishness unto him; and he cannot know them, because they are spiritually
> judged" (1Cor 2:14)
Poor little answer bot wasn't programed to say anything else.
> >> . . . and I also knew they denied it when they posted that his
> >> return was to be spiritual, not phisical, and posted that He had
> >> already returned.
>
> > Pardon, who are you talking about now?
>
> The heretics who said His return is spiritual, not physical, and that He has
> already returned/
Who would that be? The only one I can think of who is even close to
that is Pastor Dave and he hates me.
[...]
> >>>> Scripture tells us that God would
> >>>> have all come to repentance and be saved, yet when I address the
> >>>> heretic . . .
>
> >>> You are a heretic. Shouldn't you address your own heresy first?
>
> >> You lie again,
>
> > No Fred, it is true that you have rejected doctrine established by the
> > Catholic church. You are a heretic.
>
> You lie again, Satan,
You are Catholic? Then why did you tell me you are Protestant? Hey
I'm going by what you say about yourself so how is it my lie? Are you
Catholic or not Catholic?
> . . . for it is scripure which establishes sound doctrine
> "All scripture is given by inspiration of God, and is profitable for
> doctrine, for reproof, for correction, for instruction in righteousness"
> (2Tim 3:16).
And what it says does not change reality. I'm sorry if you don't
understand. I know it's not your fault.
> >> . . . you are the heretic as your online record shows..
>
> > I have never claimed that I was Catholic. I have attended Catholic
> > mass for a time but if anybody asked I told them that I was not
> > Catholic.
>
> ?????? What does that have to do with anything?
You said I was a heretic as my online record shows. You don't need my
online record. I'm open about the fact that I am not Catholic. I've
never claimed that I was Catholic.
> Are you suggesting Catholics
> are heretics?
No, the opposite. Catholics _are_ orthodox. I'm not orthodox. I
don't know how to make this any simpler.
> You/re the heretic.
Just like you. You are not Catholic either. I know you like to pull
out that Bible verse that says people who call Christians "Satan" are
heretics too - well that you too.
> So, if you go to confession and the
> priest refuses to partake of your sin and forgive you, don't be surprised.
I've only taken confession once and the priest stopped it for some
reason. I think it's because he realized I was not Catholic. I don't
know why because he was holding a form that said I was not Catholic.
Maybe he didn't read it. Most of the conversation was in a language I
didn't understand.
> >>>> . . . saying God predestined all the condemned to eternal torment,
> >>>> you accuse me of attacking a Christian.
>
> >>> You are a heretic who won't forgive other heretics. Yeah it's a
> >>> problem for you.
>
> >> Read His lips again, Satan: "A man that is an heretick
>
> > That would be you. You are not Catholic.
>
> Which has nothing to do with your heresy?
It has this in common, we have the same heresy. That is the
connection.
> >> . . . after the first and
> >> second admonition reject; Knowing that he that is such is subverted,
> >> and sinneth, being condemned of himself" (Titus 3:10-11). He's
> >> already condemned, speaking against the Holy Spirit, the Author,
> >> isn't forgiven.
>
> > You cannot show that Titus was written by the Holy Spirit.
>
> By which you admit that the discernment of His Spirit is absent.
That is not what it means. You have no clue.
> >> Another esample of embracing the heretics and attacking the
> >> Christian.
>
> > Heretics are Christian. Hello?
>
> Your the only one regarding them Christians. I believe Him, who says they
> are condemned in His word.
You believe a lot of goofy things. That doesn't make any of them
true.
> >>>> That by the way is where this thread started.
>
> >>>>>>> Do you have any valid points?
>
> >>>>>> Again, you need to pay attention.
>
> >>>>> Let's see some valid points from you.
>
> >>>> See above.
>
> >>> You provided none.
>
> >> You lie.
>
> > Well why don't you prove me wrong by repeating a valid point you
> > made? Go on.
>
> ROTFL!!!!! You offer plentiful examples above.
Like I said. You can't point to them. Every time I ask you to your
answer is "see above". If you could point to them you would do so
instead of making yourself look foolish.
[...]
> >>> The voices in your head tell you things about me that are not true?
> >>> They are not from God. They certainly are not God. God wouldn't tell
> >>> you things that are false.
>
> >> Again you lie.
>
> > Now you think God would tell you things that are false? Oh man I'm
> > sorry to hear that.
>
> Satan, your a liar.
Is there a parrot in here?
>It is you who says that what God revealed is false.
I did not. That is the exact opposite of what I said. We know that
your discernment is not of God because God does not reveal what is
false and your discernment leads to what is false.
> >> Your the one with voices in the head.
>
> > I don't go around bragging about how God puts discernment into my
> > brain and it proves I am a real Christian.
>
> Proclaiming the promises in His word only seems like bragging to the ones
> who deny and lack His promises.
I'm sure you have a justification for every sin you commit.
> >> It is the Holy Spirit
> >> who is God.
>
> > That is not contested. Why bring it up? Do you say things at random?
>
> So you say out of one side of your mouth, while saying what He revealed is
> false out of the other side of your mouth.
That didn't happen. Thanks for sharing your delusion. Let me guess
you will squak the same parrot call you squak at every paragraph.
"Caw Caw you're a liar Satan Caw Caw Polly wants a cracker caw caw
you're a liar Satan"
[...]
> Your an idiot. You saw contradiction in unity.
Shouting "Satan" at someone constantly is not unity. Why do these
simple things give you so much trouble.
[...]
> >> Satan, your a liar.
>
> > Can you write anything else? It's like you can't type unless you
> > start with those words.
>
> Why waste words getting to the point.
You make no point. You just pontificate.
> >> There are no voices in my head, simply the discernment . . .
>
> > That would be the voices in your head that you say are not there.
> > They tell you things that are false and then you brag about this
> > discernment that mislead you and how it proves you are a real
> > Christian and those without it are not.
>
> Your voices in the head again.
You did say " . . . simply the discernment . . . " and your
discernment can't be of God since it is so very wrong.
>What are the voices in your head saying to
> you?
> The followers of Christ don't have your problem.
A perfect example of your discernment getting the wrong answer. Your
world view is upside down and inside out.
[...]
> >> . . . of the Holy Spirit, who revealed what disagrees with your
> >> opinions,
>
> > If it was the Holy Spirit then your answers would have been true.
> > That they are false proves they are not.
>
> Again you presume to judge God and call Him a liar.
Fred you are not God.
Go ahead and call me a liar on that one.
> >> . . . and you
> >> denied His discernment and mocked His promise of discernment.
>
> > No, I mocked you and your wrong answers that you say are from God.
>
> Again you presume to judge God and call Him a liar.
You are not God.
> >>>>>> 1 Cor. 2:14
> >>>>>> But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of
> >>>>>> God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them,
> >>>>>> because they are spiritually discerned.
>
> >>>>> Again you have the same problem.
>
> >>>> Yes and its your problem. I notice you separate them. You don't
> >>>> know they
> >>>> are understood together?
>
> >>> What are you talking about now?
>
> >> ROTFL!!!!!
>
> > Now you can't even explain what your own ramblings mean.
>
> > How fun!
>
> Your ramblings defy explanation.
I have provided an explanation every time. What I can't do is make
you understand.
Dr. House
wrote:
> Innews:d75efe23-e051-4bba...@p18g2000pra.googlegroups.com,
> Dr. House <hsot...@hotmail.com> typed:
>
>
>
> > On Jul 2, 6:13 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
> > wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >>>>>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes
> >>>>>>> Gram is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>
> >>>>>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>
> >>>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> >>>>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
> >>>>> stop pretending.
>
> >>>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
> >>>> because both were Christians.
>
> >>> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
>
> >> Are you dreaming? He DOES accept his brothers in Christ.
>
> > By calling them Satan? By with acceptance like that who needs
> > rejection?
>
> No, he does not call any of his brothers in Christ Satan - are you
> crazy? Oh yes, sorry, I forgot...
Just like you have never told a Christian to "TROLL OFF!".
Are you two too stupid to realize that you don't change reality with
your wishes?
::: Jesus is LORD :::
"Dr. House" <hso...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitrag
news:b9a8be66-c13f-4421...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
> Just like you have never told a Christian to "TROLL OFF!".<
CORRECT!
TROLL OFF!!!!
Dr. House
wrote:
> "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> schrieb im Newsbeitragnews:b9a8be66-c13f-4421...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Just like you have never told a Christian to "TROLL OFF!".<
>
> CORRECT!
I hope some day you and Stover try to live in the real world.
Randy �
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Subject: Re: Love as taught in the Bible
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>TROLL OFF!!!!
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> On Jul 2, 7:55pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>> Dr. House wrote:
>>> On Jul 2, 11:31am, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>>> I found your insane rant to be quite entertaining. A few highlights
>>> that I would like to address:
>>
>> Your the fool serving the devil.
>
> I thought I was the devil. But then I also had a demon in me that
> would be confirmed by exorcism. Pick a lane.
No that was just another of your lies, I address the spirit, you lie about
it, and believe your own lie.
>
>>>> It's your problem; you seek the help
>>
>>> I'm not the one claiming God speaks to him and gives him special
>>> knowledge that makes him a real Christian and those who don't get
>>> this special knowledge not Christian. That would be you and your
>>> "discernment" tells you things that are false.
>>
>> So you say, Satan,
>
> Ah you see. Now I am no longer serving the devil, now I am Satan. It
> changes from one second to the next.
Your still confused.
>
>> . . . but He says: "the Comforter, which is the Holy Spirit,
>> whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things"
>> (John 14:26): "But the natural man receiveth not the things of the
>> Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he
>> know them, because they are spiritually discerned" (1Cor 2:14). And
>> contrary to your lies, what He reveals is the truth.
>
> And this might be why you can't understand any of these things.
That's your defense of your lie that we can't know what He promises to
reveal to us?
<repeated babbling snipped>
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 3, 5:14am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
This is the real world, God created it, and God will restore it.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 2, 4:57pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> [...]
>>>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
>>>>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
>>>>> stop pretending.
>>
>>>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
>>>> because both were Christians.
>>
>>> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
>>
>> As you know, Satan, but continue to repeat your lies I do accept and
>> defend my brothers in Christ.
>
> You call me Satan and in the same sentence you claim to accept and
> defend me. Are you on drugs?
Who else denies Christ's promises, suggests His word isn't really His word?
Satan, of course, and now he claims to be a Christian.
>> It is the folks with the doctrines contrary to Chrost
>> who I do not accept.
>
> You have no clue which doctrines are contrary to Christ.
ROTFL!!!!!
The scriptures I cite of Him promising to do what you deny He does, shows
who has no clues, plural.
> You yourself
> reject established doctrine. That is what makes you a heretic. Yet
> you insist in hunting people who are just like you and pretending they
> are enemies of Christ.
The scriptures I cite do not reject establiahed doctrine, and your
accusations lack any substance of any doctrine. You've offered no doctrine.
You've done nothing but attack scripture and Christians who believe them.
See below, Satan, you lie, your an idiot.
>
>>>> I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist,
>>
>>> If you are Protestant then you reject established doctrine.
>>> Rejecting established doctrine makes you a heretic.
>>
>> Satan, you're an idiot.
>
> Polly want a cracker? It's all you say. You are like a trained bird.
>
> Satan you lie
> Satan you're an idiot
> Satan you lie
> Polly wants a cracker
> Satan you lie
>
>> I proclaim the doctrines of scripture and oppose the
>> doctrines of men who contradict scripture.
>
> You can't prove that. You form an opinion about scripture. This
> opinion is from you. You made it. Yet you elevate your own thoughts
> to the level of God. Look at how much harm you do with this sin.
The scriptures I cite prove the doctrines, and that the people with
different doctrines are contradicting scripture.
<Satan's repeated babble snipped.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 2, 6:13pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
Dumbo still isn't clear on the fight being spiritual. He still thinks he's
speaking.
Fred A Stover
> On Jul 2, 8:49pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
You have to remember that Satan doesn't consider scripture reality.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>> On Jul 2, 6:13pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>>>>>>> Billy Gram is not Roman Catholic and not Eastern Orthodox. Yes
>>>>>>>> Gram is just as much a heretic as you or I.
>>>
>>>>>>> Don't include me, or Graham, in your spiritual dalliance.
>>>
>>>>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out
>>>>>> and admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying.
>>>>>> Otherwise stop pretending.
>>>
>>>>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
>>>>> because both were Christians.
>>>
>>>> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in
>>>> Christ?
>>>
>>> Are you dreaming? He DOES accept his brothers in Christ.
>>
>> By calling them Satan? By with acceptance like that who needs
>> rejection?
>
> Dumbo still isn't clear on the fight being spiritual. He still thinks
> he's speaking.
Both are idiots.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>> On Jul 2, 4:57pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>>
>> [...]
>>>>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out
>>>>>> and admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying.
>>>>>> Otherwise stop pretending.
>>>
>>>>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
>>>>> because both were Christians.
>>>
>>>> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in
>>>> Christ?
>>>
>>> As you know, Satan, but continue to repeat your lies I do accept and
>>> defend my brothers in Christ.
>>
>> You call me Satan and in the same sentence you claim to accept and
>> defend me. Are you on drugs?
>
> Who else denies Christ's promises, suggests His word isn't really His
> word? Satan, of course, and now he claims to be a Christian.
But it fits. He believes he is the only person on earth who can teach
the nations that there is no devil, and that there is no God but his own
ideas.
>>> It is the folks with the doctrines contrary to Chrost
>>> who I do not accept.
>>
>> You have no clue which doctrines are contrary to Christ.
>
> ROTFL!!!!!
>
> The scriptures I cite of Him promising to do what you deny He does,
> shows who has no clues, plural.
>
>> You yourself
>> reject established doctrine. That is what makes you a heretic. Yet
>> you insist in hunting people who are just like you and pretending
>> they are enemies of Christ.
>
> The scriptures I cite do not reject establiahed doctrine, and your
> accusations lack any substance of any doctrine. You've offered no
> doctrine. You've done nothing but attack scripture and Christians who
> believe them.
Correct.
> See below, Satan, you lie, your an idiot.
Correct.
>>>>> I'm a Dominican educated Protestant fundamentalist,
>>>
>>>> If you are Protestant then you reject established doctrine.
>>>> Rejecting established doctrine makes you a heretic.
>>>
>>> Satan, you're an idiot.
>>
>> Polly want a cracker? It's all you say. You are like a trained
>> bird. Satan you lie
>> Satan you're an idiot
>> Satan you lie
>> Polly wants a cracker
>> Satan you lie
>
>>
>>> I proclaim the doctrines of scripture and oppose the
>>> doctrines of men who contradict scripture.
>>
>> You can't prove that. You form an opinion about scripture. This
>> opinion is from you. You made it. Yet you elevate your own thoughts
>> to the level of God. Look at how much harm you do with this sin.
>
> The scriptures I cite prove the doctrines, and that the people with
> different doctrines are contradicting scripture.
>
> <Satan's repeated babble snipped.
Good so.
He should troll off and leave the Christian folks in peace wth his
babble.
::: Jesus is LORD :::
>> On Jul 3, 5:14am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>> wrote:
>>> "Dr. House" <hsot...@hotmail.com> schrieb im
>>> Newsbeitragnews:b9a8be66-c13f-4421...@13g2000prl.googlegroups.com...
>>>
>>>> Just like you have never told a Christian to "TROLL OFF!".<
>>>
>>> CORRECT!
>>
>> I hope some day you and Stover try to live in the real world.
>
> This is the real world, God created it, and God will restore it.
Amen.
Dr. House
> Dr. House wrote:
> > On Jul 2, 4:57pm, "Fred A Stover" <fsto...@tx.rr.com> wrote:
>
> > [...]
> >>>>> You are not a protestant? Graham is not a protestant? Come out and
> >>>>> admit you are Catholic if that is what you are saying. Otherwise
> >>>>> stop pretending.
>
> >>>> You're not an idiot? John Paul II told him they were brothers
> >>>> because both were Christians.
>
> >>> Why can't you follow his example and accept your brothers in Christ?
>
> >> As you know, Satan, but continue to repeat your lies I do accept and
> >> defend my brothers in Christ.
>
> > You call me Satan and in the same sentence you claim to accept and
> > defend me. Are you on drugs?
>
> Who else denies Christ's promises, suggests His word isn't really His word?
What I have asked you to do was prove something. You can't and I have
pointed out that you can't. When you hurt other people you are doing
so over your opinion. Can't you see why that is wrong? My point has
been confirmed. You don't accept or defend your brothers in Christ.
You call them Satan because you jump to conclusions and misjudge them.
> Satan, of course, and now he claims to be a Christian.
Where did you prove I was Satan? You know proving something is more
than just making an accusation a thousand times.
> >> It is the folks with the doctrines contrary to Chrost
> >> who I do not accept.
>
> > You have no clue which doctrines are contrary to Christ.
>
> ROTFL!!!!!
>
> The scriptures I cite of Him promising to do what you deny He does, shows
> who has no clues, plural.
Dude, you can't even follow this conversations. Half the things you
say I am saying I did not say nor imply.
> > You yourself
> > reject established doctrine. That is what makes you a heretic. Yet
> > you insist in hunting people who are just like you and pretending they
> > are enemies of Christ.
>
> The scriptures I cite do not reject establiahed doctrine,
Of course not. You are the one who does that. Your heresy is your
own. It comes from you, from the choices you make and the opinions
you form.
> . . . and your
> accusations lack any substance of any doctrine.
My accusations have been confirmed true by you. You have admitted
that you are Protestant. Would you like to see the place where you
admitted it? Protestants reject established doctrine.
But in your hypocrisy you think it is okay to be your kind of heretic
but not okay when someone else goes through the same process and
arrives at slightly different opinions. People like you have been
dividing Christianity for thousands of years.
> You've offered no doctrine.
What does that have to do with anything?
> You've done nothing but attack scripture and Christians who believe them.
You are not attacked for being a Christian, but rather for being a
hypocrite who attacks others. It's about your behavior. Why don't
you make a change?
[...]
> >> I proclaim the doctrines of scripture and oppose the
> >> doctrines of men who contradict scripture.
>
> > You can't prove that. You form an opinion about scripture. This
> > opinion is from you. You made it. Yet you elevate your own thoughts
> > to the level of God. Look at how much harm you do with this sin.
>
> The scriptures I cite prove the doctrines,
No they just provide words. You must interpret those words with your
opinion. This comes from you.
> . . . and that the people with
> different doctrines are contradicting scripture.
Yes, that is the excuse you use in order to justify being a heretic.
There is nothing wrong with being a heretic. The funny part is when
you want to pretend that your heresy is orthodox and you need to hunt
down every other kind of heretic and expose them all for not being
your kind of heretic.