The modern Christian world is lost.
Michael Christ
Lost in theology.
Lost in self.
Lost in self-righteousness.
Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without which
a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
Michael Christ
monkfish
Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
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It is nonsense.
Sensi
Sensi:
That's about right! Life is much easier to be thankful for
what you found than to bitch about what you haven't found.
gabriel
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
: Lost in religion.
Romans 10:2-4 KJVR
2 For I bear them record that they have a zeal of God, but not
according to knowledge.
3 For they being ignorant of God's righteousness, and going
about to establish their own righteousness, have not submitted
themselves unto the righteousness of God.
4 For Christ is the end of the law for righteousness to every
one that believeth.
Religion, theology, self and self-righteousness doesn't save, as
you pointed out.
But neither does holiness, righteousness and purity, which as you
say "without which a man will never be with God".
Christ is the only way to get to God, to be with God.
John 14:6 KJVR
6 Jesus saith unto him, I am the way, the truth, and the life:
no man cometh unto the Father, but by me.
If we repent and trust / have faith in what Christ did for us on
the cross, paying the punishment for our sins for us, we will be
saved. And of course, it's only because of God's grace and
drawing that any of us are able to repent - we should obey that
calling, lest we possibly not get another chance from God.
Luke 13:2-3 KJVR
2 And Jesus answering said unto them, Suppose ye that these
Galilaeans were sinners above all the Galilaeans, because they
suffered such things?
3 I tell you, Nay: but, except ye repent, ye shall all likewise
perish.
John 3:14-18 KJVR
14 And as Moses lifted up the serpent in the wilderness, even so
must the Son of man be lifted up:
15 That whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
eternal life.
16 For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten
Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have
everlasting life.
17 For God sent not his Son into the world to condemn the world;
but that the world through him might be saved.
18 He that believeth on him is not condemned: but he that
believeth not is condemned already, because he hath not believed
in the name of the only begotten Son of God.
Thommadura
Look for your worth withing yourself - not in gods and religions that
have no worth.
Humans are capable of amazing things - and it is through their ACTIONS
that good things get done.
THeists PRAY - the ultimate inaction - doing nothing to solve problems
or make things better.
However - YOU are capable of doing good without that nonsense.
Thommadura
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> Lost in religion.
>>
>> Lost in theology.
>>
>> Lost in self.
>>
>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>
>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>
>
> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
What is it you can prove is everywhere?
Michael Christ
"gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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What you say is right.
Holiness, righteousness, and purity is [in Christ], that why I say, without
which a man will never be with God.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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I will ask the same question of you that I asked your son.
So you think man is not destroying the earth??
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
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You are playing with yourself.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"Sensi" <sensi...@home.com> wrote in message
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Thanks Sensi, then I will just have to NOT hunger and thirst after
righteousness. I'll just let the Lord know that I don't have to bother
because you say so.
Michael Christ
Sensi
Sensi:
You're welcome Michael but you know when your hungry and
thirsty then by all means eat, drink and be merry.
Michael Christ
Brilliant!
Michael Christ
monkfish
It works the other way around.
You need to refer to God to know whether something is real.
--
monkfish
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>
>>> Lost in religion.
>>>
>>> Lost in theology.
>>>
>>> Lost in self.
>>>
>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>>
>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>>
>>
>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>>
>
> You are playing with yourself.
To lose self?
Do you ever pray "Lord, help me"?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> "Sensi" <sensi...@home.com> wrote in message
>> monkfish wrote:
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lost in religion.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in theology.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>>>
>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
>>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>>>
>>
>> Sensi:
>> That's about right! Life is much easier to be thankful for what you found
>> than to bitch about what you haven't found.
>
> Thanks Sensi, then I will just have to NOT hunger and thirst after
> righteousness. I'll just let the Lord know that I don't have to bother
> because you say so.
Do you already know how to be righteous?
--
monkfish
Thommadura
That has nothing to do with gods - the problem - or the cure.
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Monkfish wrote:
> Do you already know how to be righteous?
Wily question.
Righteousness is formed in you by the Lord...if you let Him.
Means losing your life, to be crucified, offering up your body as a living
sacrifice kind of stuff. As opposed to the old nature sustaining modern
Christian world stuff like, 'its a process', 'it takes a lifetime', 'it
takes many years'; somebody should have told that to the thief on the cross.
:-).
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>
>>>> Lost in religion.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in theology.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>>>
>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
>>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>>>
>>
>> You are playing with yourself.
>
Monkfish wrote:
> To lose self?
> Do you ever pray "Lord, help me"?
I did, and He did.
You have to be sincere about it though. I mean, really sincere, losing your
life sincere, or it is all pretence.
You should reread the original post.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
> Michael Christ wrote:
>>
>> "Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
>> news:4a4d02e8$0$31261$607e...@cv.net...
>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> Lost in religion.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in theology.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self.
>>>>
>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>>>
>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>>>
>>>
>>> Look for your worth withing yourself - not in gods and religions that
>>> have no worth.
>>>
>>> Humans are capable of amazing things - and it is through their ACTIONS
>>> that good things get done.
>>>
>>> THeists PRAY - the ultimate inaction - doing nothing to solve problems
>>> or make things better.
>>>
>>> However - YOU are capable of doing good without that nonsense.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> I will ask the same question of you that I asked your son.
>>
>> So you think man is not destroying the earth??
Thommadura wrote:
> That has nothing to do with gods - the problem - or the cure.
Come on, get with the program.
You are asserting that man is good.
Michael Christ
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Be righteous moment by moment.
Better pray "Lord, help me" a lot.
--
monkfish
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Lost in religion.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lost in theology.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lost in self.
>>>>>
>>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>>>>>
>>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
>>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
>>>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>>>>
>>>
>>> You are playing with yourself.
>>
>
> Monkfish wrote:
>> To lose self?
>> Do you ever pray "Lord, help me"?
>
> I did, and He did.
>
> You have to be sincere about it though. I mean, really sincere, losing
> your life sincere, or it is all pretence.
>
> You should reread the original post.
Would you like to be humble?
--
monkfish
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor
> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
...especially not within its own twisted soul, for the morontheist sees _no
wrong at all_ in lying.
--
Thurisaz, warrior of Thor, natural enemy of morontheism
The judgment of morontheism: http://www.carcosa.de/nojebus
Michael Christ
> Michael Christ wrote:
> > "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> >> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>>> monkfish wrote:
> >>>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>
> >>>>>> Lost in religion.
>
> >>>>>> Lost in theology.
>
> >>>>>> Lost in self.
>
> >>>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>
> >>>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
> >>>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>
> >>>>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
> >>>>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>
> >>>> Sensi:
> >>>> That's about right! Life is much easier to be thankful for what you
> >>>> found
> >>>> than to bitch about what you haven't found.
>
> >>> Thanks Sensi, then I will just have to NOT hunger and thirst after
> >>> righteousness. I'll just let the Lord know that I don't have to bother
> >>> because you say so.
>
> > Monkfish wrote:
> >> Do you already know how to be righteous?
Michael Christ wrote:
> > Wily question.
>
> > Righteousness is formed in you by the Lord...if you let Him.
>
> > Means losing your life, to be crucified, offering up your body as a living
> > sacrifice kind of stuff. As opposed to the old nature sustaining modern
> > Christian world stuff like, 'its a process', 'it takes a lifetime', 'it
> > takes many years'; somebody should have told that to the thief on the
> > cross.
> > :-).
>
Monkfish wrote:
> Be righteous moment by moment.
> Better pray "Lord, help me" a lot.
I told you, I did...a lot.
And He did.
You should try the same.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
> Michael Christ wrote:
> > "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> >> Michael Christ wrote:
> >>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> >>>> Michael Christ wrote:
>
> >>>>> Lost in religion.
>
> >>>>> Lost in theology.
>
> >>>>> Lost in self.
>
> >>>>> Lost in self-righteousness.
>
> >>>>> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without
> >>>>> which a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
>
> >>>> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
> >>>> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
>
> >>> You are playing with yourself.
>
> > Monkfish wrote:
> >> To lose self?
> >> Do you ever pray "Lord, help me"?
Michael Christ wrote:
> > I did, and He did.
>
> > You have to be sincere about it though. I mean, really sincere, losing
> > your life sincere, or it is all pretence.
>
> > You should reread the original post.
Monkfish wrote:
> Would you like to be humble?
Another wily question.
Not the Lord's Spirit.
You should practise what you preach..."Lord, help me".
More fervently.
Michael Christ
monkfish
Do you already know how to be always humble?
Lord, help us be more humble moment by moment.
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are not.
Michael Christ
monkfish
> It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are not.
You seem to think you already know
what it means to be humble in all circumstances.
No need for the help of the Holy Spirit anymore?
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
you could use more humility, but I doubt that your imaginary friend can help
you much.
Dan Listermann
"Michael Christ" <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote in message
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>
> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are not.
>
Humility does not exist along a continuum? Rather bimodal, don't you think?
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
gabriel
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
:
: "gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
Be careful - you seem to be implying that Holiness, righteousness
and purity is what a man must have to be with God, and only
parenthetically mention [Christ], even if that's not what you
intend.
It's Christ alone that saves us - what He did for us on the
cross, being a propitiation for our sins, the sinless Son of God.
Not our own holiness, righteousness, or purity. And repenting
from our lifetime of sins, and trusting in Christ to save us,
allowing Him to become the Lord of our entire life.
Isaiah 64:6 KJVR
6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness
are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our
iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
:
:
:
: Michael Christ
monkfish
What makes you think you even know what you look like?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Jesus Christ first.
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>
>>>>>> Do you already know how to be always humble?
>>>>>> Lord, help us be more humble moment by moment.
>>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
>>>>> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are
>>>>> not.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> You seem to think you already know
>>>> what it means to be humble in all circumstances.
>>>> No need for the help of the Holy Spirit anymore?
>>>>
>>> So what is the religobabble definition of "humble?"
>>
>>
>> Jesus Christ first.
>>
> So what is the religobabble definition of "humble?"
Others first.
Yourself last.
--
monkfish
monkfish
Looking for the image of God?
Do you know what awareness looks like?
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Thommadura
Which of course has nothing to do with religion - as if ANYTHING did!
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>> Dan Listermann wrote:
>>> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>
>>>>>>>> Do you already know how to be always humble?
>>>>>>>> Lord, help us be more humble moment by moment.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
>>>>>>> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are
>>>>>>> not.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>> You seem to think you already know
>>>>>> what it means to be humble in all circumstances.
>>>>>> No need for the help of the Holy Spirit anymore?
>>>>>>
>>>>> So what is the religobabble definition of "humble?"
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Jesus Christ first.
>>>>
>>> So what is the religobabble definition of "humble?"
>>
>>
>> Others first.
>> Yourself last.
>>
> Can you think that your deity looks like you and still be "humble?"
You misunderstood.
God is not humble.
God shows us how to be humble.
--
monkfish
monkfish
You completely misunderstood
due to your physicalism superstition.
What does it mean for the spiritual to be visible?
--
monkfish
monkfish
Me me me?
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
monkfish
What deity?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>>>>>>>
Are you getting senile?
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
monkfish
Try not to confuse God with your deities.
--
monkfish
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
monkfish
You seem to think God is someone you already know.
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
>>> Do you already know how to be always humble?
>>> Lord, help us be more humble moment by moment.
Michael Christ wrote:
>> It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
>> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are >>not.
Monkfish wrote:
> You seem to think you already know
> what it means to be humble in all circumstances.
> No need for the help of the Holy Spirit anymore?
Get lost, arsehole. You are the reason Jesus preferred publicans and
harlots.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
Michael Christ wrote:
> : Holiness, righteousness, and purity is [in Christ], that why I say,
> : without which a man will never be with God.
Gabriel wrote:
> Be careful - you seem to be implying that Holiness, righteousness
> and purity is what a man must have to be with God,
Not at all. That is why I isolated [in Christ].
Believe it or not, if you are in Christ you are holy, righteous and pure
because He is. People however use the term 'in Christ' very loosely.
Gabriel wrote:
>and only
> parenthetically mention [Christ], even if that's not what you
> intend.
> It's Christ alone that saves us - what He did for us on the
> cross, being a propitiation for our sins, the sinless Son of God.
> Not our own holiness, righteousness, or purity. And repenting
> from our lifetime of sins, and trusting in Christ to save us,
> allowing Him to become the Lord of our entire life.
Unless He is Lord of your entire life He is not Lord at all. Unless He is
truly Lord there is no righteousness in anyone saying 'I am in Christ.'
Gabriel wrote:
>
> Isaiah 64:6 KJVR
> 6 But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousness
> are as filthy rags; and we all do fade as a leaf; and our
> iniquities, like the wind, have taken us away.
Not the new creature however, for all things have become new. God having
had His way in man's life, the man is born-again into the Kingdom of His
dear Son; a kingdom of righteousness, holiness and purity, for in Him is no
darkness at all.
Michael Christ
Thommadura
THere are no gods - and no deities - the only difference between the two
is spelling!
Thommadura
No one knows anything about gods in reality!
monkfish
There are many ways to love our neighbors.
I prefer to get help how to do it, moment by moment.
If you can manage to get by without doing so,
you must be specially blessed.
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> Michael Christ wrote:
>
>> Monkfish wrote:
>>>>> Do you already know how to be always humble?
>>>>> Lord, help us be more humble moment by moment.
>>
>> Michael Christ wrote:
>>>> It is the Lord that births in you humility, like everything else.
>>>> There is no such thing as 'more humble', you are humble or you are
>>>> >>not.
>>
>> Monkfish wrote:
>>> You seem to think you already know
>>> what it means to be humble in all circumstances.
>>> No need for the help of the Holy Spirit anymore?
>>
>> Get lost, arsehole. You are the reason Jesus preferred publicans and
>> harlots.
>
Monkfish wrote:
> There are many ways to love our neighbors.
Like setting wily questions as snares??
:-). You are a joke.
The atheist boys are more up front and sincere than you.
Monkfish wrote:
> I prefer to get help how to do it, moment by moment.
> If you can manage to get by without doing so,
> you must be specially blessed.
Wanker.
You drink from your own well...moment by moment.
Michael Christ
monkfish
Are you always grateful for everything?
Let's pray "Lord, help us" all the time.
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
The Lord said to me once to never forget where I came from.
I haven't.
Monkfish wrote:
> Let's pray "Lord, help us" all the time.
I know from whom my help comes.
He neither slumbers nor sleeps.
You can pray that ad nauseum if you wish, but that is not the issue, it is
whether you believe.
Michael Christ
monkfish
Do you ever doubt your faith?
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Monkfish wrote:
> Do you ever doubt your faith?
The question is, do you ever doubt God?
The answer is no.
I believe. I made my choice. If you **really choose** to do something,
there is no changing it. For example, there are probably better examples,
but the first thing that came to mind was that if a woman chooses to become
pregnant and becomes pregnant, there is no changing it. So it is with
faith.
What is it you really want from me?
Michael Christ
Fred Thomas
Sure there is.
monkfish
I just love to talk about God with anyone interested.
Once accepted, God cannot be doubted.
But the strength of your faith can be questioned.
Is your faith strong enough to do whatever you need to do?
--
monkfish
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
> monkfish
I don't know, I don't know what is ahead of me, but this I do know, that the
Lord will not give me more than I am able.
By the same token my prayer is that my purpose not be limited, that it be
commensurate with how much I love Him. Since all then is at stake, I'd
imagine I might be in for some 'interesting' times.
Michael Christ
Thommadura
At what point does this nonsense end
Look at your post - monkfish.
ARE YOU GOD - or are you just playing god?
Sorry - but anything that is accepted can be doubted - and should be
doubted. Especially something that no one can prove exists - and no one
can prove did or does anything.
My faith was strong for over 50 years - but no matter how I fought -
religion managed to prove that it is a fraud as well as their gods.
ANd you have yet to establish anything meaningful about gods here to
change my mind.
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>
>
> Do you ever doubt your faith?
>
tell you that he is more confident in the existence of his deities, than he
is of his own existence. His confidence is so fragile that he can't even
entertain the possibility that the deities may not exist. Then he likes to
say that he doubts his faith all the time. I think he is just trying to
show "humility."
monkfish
You still have no idea what God is,
not to mention how to love Him.
--
monkfish
monkfish
> "monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
>>
>> Do you ever doubt your faith?
>>
> Monkfish has rationalized his superstition to the point that he will
> gladly tell you that he is more confident in the existence of his deities,
> than he
> is of his own existence. His confidence is so fragile that he can't even
> entertain the possibility that the deities may not exist. Then he likes
> to
> say that he doubts his faith all the time. I think he is just trying to
> show "humility."
You sound confused.
Would you like to learn
how to orient your life better?
--
monkfish
Thommadura
Sorry - but it is YOU who has no idea what a god is. That is why you
cannot provide a list of testable and verifiable proof of what a god is
- because there is none.
Therefore = your statement is meaningless
Thommadura
Actually - we DID do that.
We learned - once we eliminated religion - that we can live a better and
more productive life - based on a basic thing - that doing good is the
right thing to do.
WE do not need the threat of eternal punishment or the candy of eternal
reward - which invalidates the actions of theists.
monkfish
Wonderful!
Let's pray to Jesus Chrsit,
"I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!"
Mark 9:24 (New International Version)
--
monkfish
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
> Lost in religion.
>
> Lost in theology.
>
> Lost in self.
>
> Lost in self-righteousness.
>
> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without which
> a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
Holiness, righteousness, and purity find those of us who are mindful
of WDJW:
Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?
Marana tha
Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,
Andrew <><
--
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Board-certified Cardiologist
and Author of "Be Hungry"
http://NetCabal.com
"Don't be left behind as were Cleopas and Simon ...
... -----------------> be hungry ! ! !"
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?
What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?
Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Monkfish wrote:
> Wonderful!
> Let's pray to Jesus Chrsit,
> "I do believe; help me overcome my unbelief!"
Fantastic!!
Its a prayer of a religious pretender.
Knock yourself out.
Jesus has risen with the power of His resurrection unto all that believe.
You are a fraud, but I gave you a fair shake buddy.
Michael Christ
monkfish
You misunderstood.
James 4:11-12 (New International Version)
[quote]
11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his
brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge
the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12There is
only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But
you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
[/quote]
Do you have any idea what it means to be saved?
--
monkfish
anon...@nowhere.you.know
"No."
> Please provide examples of how often
"Zero."
> and of what kind?
"None."
The word of the Lord in measure of the above:
If we say we have no sin, we deceive ourselves, and the truth is not in
us.
If we confess our sins, he is faithful and just, and will forgive our
sins and cleanse us from all unrighteousness.
If we say we have not sinned, we make him a liar, and his word is not in
us.
My little children, I am writing this to you so that you may not sin;
but if any one does sin, we have an advocate with the Father, Jesus
Christ the righteous; and he is the expiation for our sins, and not for
ours only but also for the sins of the whole world.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
<><
Trust the truth, Who is Jesus !!!
gabriel
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
:
: "gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
: news:ea3s459tcu5j0j2qn...@4ax.com...
The first time you said it, you didn't mention Christ at all. You
said:
"Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity,
without which a man will never be with God, and I have not found
it."
Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
I would be careful in the future to say that without any mention
of Christ - it's Christ alone that is the way to God, as you seem
to realize. Take care.
:
: Believe it or not, if you are in Christ you are holy, righteous and pure
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
[snip]
> Why are you looking for something that is everywhere?
> Better just say "Thank you, Lord" constantly.
That would be a nice mind-control-inducing chant.
Misanthropic Curmudgeon
[snip]
> Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and
> purity, without which a man will never be with God,
> and I have not found it.
You cant find a god which aint there!
Michael Christ
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
Michael Christ wrote:
>> Fantastic!!
>> Its a prayer of a religious pretender.
>> Knock yourself out.
>> Jesus has risen with the power of His resurrection unto all that believe.
>> You are a fraud, but I gave you a fair shake buddy.
Monkfisk wrote:
> You misunderstood.
>
> James 4:11-12 (New International Version)
> [quote]
> 11Brothers, do not slander one another. Anyone who speaks against his
> brother or judges him speaks against the law and judges it. When you judge
> the law, you are not keeping it, but sitting in judgment on it. 12There is
> only one Lawgiver and Judge, the one who is able to save and destroy. But
> you—who are you to judge your neighbor?
> [/quote]
>
> Do you have any idea what it means to be saved?
>
> --
> monkfish
You are not my brother, my brother loves me as himself.
How can I put this...appropriately.
Take your questions and shove them up your arse.
I think that will do. The Lord loves honesty and hates man-made christian
wankerism.
Truly. :-).
Leave the atheists alone scumbag, you are not a representative of
Him/honesty.
Michael Christ
Michael Christ
>Be careful - you seem to be implying that Holiness, righteousness
>and purity is what a man must have to be with God,
Michael Christ wrote:
> : Not at all. That is why I isolated [in Christ].
Gabriel wrote:
> The first time you said it, you didn't mention Christ at all. You
> said:
> "Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity,
> without which a man will never be with God, and I have not found
> it."
> Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
> how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
No, it was clearly stating that long have I looked for holiness and
righteousness and purity, without which a man will never be with God,
and I have not found it.
It is merely stating the facts. You can read any implication you like into
it if you like.
By the way, have I found holiness, righteousness and purity with you?
Michael Christ
Dan Listermann
"monkfish" <monkfish@nowhere> wrote in message
monkfish
Too afraid to control your mind?
--
monkfish
monkfish
What does it mean for God to exist,
when God is prior to existence?
--
monkfish
monkfish
> You are not my brother, my brother loves me as himself.
>
> How can I put this...appropriately.
>
> Take your questions and shove them up your arse.
>
> I think that will do. The Lord loves honesty and hates man-made christian
> wankerism.
>
> Truly. :-).
>
> Leave the atheists alone scumbag, you are not a representative of
> Him/honesty.
Let's pray "Dear Lord, let us all have peace and justice."
--
monkfish
Your Personal Stalker
>
> Let's pray "Dear Lord, let us all have peace and justice."
That's very sweet but they will argue then whether there are three lords
or not. Which camp are you in?
WWSD :-)
YPS
--
Take a moment to accept me as your personal stalker, make a public
profession and you will have a fan forever that you can never lose.
gabriel
<Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
: Gabriel wrote:
: >Be careful - you seem to be implying that Holiness, righteousness
: >and purity is what a man must have to be with God,
:
: Michael Christ wrote:
: > : Not at all. That is why I isolated [in Christ].
:
: Gabriel wrote:
: > The first time you said it, you didn't mention Christ at all. You
: > said:
:
: > "Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity,
: > without which a man will never be with God, and I have not found
: > it."
:
: > Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
: > how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
:
: No, it was clearly stating that long have I looked for holiness and
: righteousness and purity, without which a man will never be with God,
: and I have not found it.
So a person can get to God by just finding holiness,
righteousness and purity? So if a person thinks they are holy,
righteous, and pure, they will be with God?
:
: It is merely stating the facts. You can read any implication you like into
Thommadura
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 07:28:16 GMT, "Michael Christ"
> <Jesus...@Father.com> wrote:
>
> : Gabriel wrote:
> : >Be careful - you seem to be implying that Holiness, righteousness
> : >and purity is what a man must have to be with God,
> :
> : Michael Christ wrote:
> : > : Not at all. That is why I isolated [in Christ].
> :
> : Gabriel wrote:
> : > The first time you said it, you didn't mention Christ at all. You
> : > said:
> :
> : > "Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity,
> : > without which a man will never be with God, and I have not found
> : > it."
> :
> : > Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
> : > how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
> :
> : No, it was clearly stating that long have I looked for holiness and
> : righteousness and purity, without which a man will never be with God,
> : and I have not found it.
>
> So a person can get to God by just finding holiness,
> righteousness and purity? So if a person thinks they are holy,
> righteous, and pure, they will be with God?
EVeryone creates their own beliefs - just as YOU do - and since there
is nothing proven to support any of it - yours is no more valid than
theirs are
Michael Christ
> : > Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
> : > how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
> :
Michael Christ wrote:
> : No, it was clearly stating that long have I looked for holiness and
> : righteousness and purity, without which a man will never be with God,
> : and I have not found it.
Gabriel wrote:
> So a person can get to God by just finding holiness,
> righteousness and purity? So if a person thinks they are holy,
> righteous, and pure, they will be with God?
You know that is hooey.
If you do not allow the Lord to make you holiness, righteous and pure, you
will never be with God.
Just because you see a thing a certain way, it doesn't mean everyone else
does. Believe me I know that only too well.
So now that you have got my context, the context I have on my message, back
to the original post...
Lost in religion.
Lost in theology.
Lost in self.
Lost in self-righteousness.
Long have I looked for holiness and righteousness and purity, without which
a man will never be with God, and I have not found it.
Or...if you prefer...long have I looked for Christ in a man, without which a
man will never be with God, and I have not found it. Truly. For 22 years I
have searched. Who'd believe that? I wouldn't have in the beginning
either.
Trouble is, many are called by God, many call on God, but I only the very
few choose Him. Y'know, lose their life, offer up their bodies as a living
sacrifice, allow the Lord to crucify their old nature, all the stuff that
the preachers whisk over or do not mention at all. Yet it is
crucial/vital/essential/a must.
Michael Christ
dolf
"And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar
spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a
people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
To the law and to the testimony: if they speak not according to this
word, it is because there is no light in them.
And they shall pass through it, hardly bestead and hungry: and it shall
come to pass, that when they shall be hungry, they shall fret
themselves, and curse their king and their God, and look upward.
And they shall look unto the earth; and behold trouble and darkness,
dimness of anguish; and they shall be driven to darkness." [Isaiah
8:19�22 (KJV)]
"And after this law I made [Moses {Taken out; drawn forth} and the
Children of Israel {He who prevails with God; he who sees God}] know the
days of the Sabbath in the wilderness of Sin {Bush} which is between
Elim {The rams; the strong; stags} and Sinai {Bush; enmity}. And I also
related to you the Sabbaths of the land on Mount Sinai. And the years of
jubilee in the Sabbaths of years I related to you. But its year I have
not related to you ... on account of this I ordained for you the weeks
of years, and the years, and the jubilees as FORTY-NINE JUBILEES from
the days of Adam {Taken from 4 corners/ Earthy; red} until this day and
ONE WEEK AND TWO YEARS. [ie. 49J1W2D + 40 years = 49J7W where the
difference of 49.7 days occurs between the 365.2425 day topical year and
364 day religious calendars]
And there are still forty further years [as 5W5D given 6D = 2184 days as
the 2 x 1092 days of the 'oth-'wonders and signs' as being a 3 x 364 day
solar / 3 x 354 day lunar + 30 day intercalation cycle] to learn the
commands of the LORD until they cross over the shore of the land of
Canaan {Merchant; trader; or that humbles and subdues}, crossing over
the Jordan {The river of judgment: See also the Category of
Understanding #369 = #8, #300, #2, #4, #50, #5 as 'n. Thought of
Judgment'} to its western side."
"He brought them out, after he had shown wonders and signs in the land
of Egypt, and in the Red Sea, and in the wilderness forty years.
This is that Moses, who said to the children of Israel, 'The Lord your
God will raise up for you a prophet like me from your brethren. Him
shall you hear.' This is he who was in the congregation in the
wilderness with the angel who spoke to him on Mount Sinai, and with our
fathers, the one who received the living oracles to give to us, whom our
fathers would not obey, but rejected." [Acts 7:36-39 (NKJV]]
#1 = [the major premise {YANG/FATHER/HEAVEN/MALE/FORM - Formula of
Universal Law}, which contains the law of that will:
7 x 24 x 13 = 2184 days of the 'oth cycle = 6D or 6 x 364 associated to
the 'constant sequence of sun and moon' as 354 x 3 + 30 day
intercalation = 1092 days x 2 = 2184 days] +
#2 = [the minor premise {YIN/MOTHER/EARTH/FEMALE/MATTER - Formula of
Humanity - HEAD OF STATE}, which contains the command to behave in
accordance with the law, that is, the principle of subsumption under the
law:
x 49 = 6J or 294 x 364 days or 365.2425 x 293 years - Vernal Equinox
Wednesday 20 March 1996 / 21 March = 1 Nisan 5756; and] +
#3 = [the conclusion {ZHUN/SON/SEA/ENUMERATE/OFFSPRING - Formula of
Autonomy}, which contains the verdict (sentence), that is laid down as
right in the case at hand: ... 6,000 topical years as Telos ('achariyth
as 122J3W1D) = Arch (re'shiyth as 3W1D) + c� [9(9�+1)/2]:
has #369 with Septet #41 {ie. #81 - #27 - #9 - #3 - #1} centric on {ie.
20 March 1996 + (5*364) + 182 = 12 Sept 2001 as 1st day of 7th solar
month = #0 - Zero point} 13-17 September 2001 / 18 September = 1 Tishri
5762. ref: "On [Sunday 16 September as] the 1st day of the [21st
priestly] course of Jachin {he that strengthens and makes steadfast} on
the 29th day of lunar month, on the 5th day of the 7th solar month."
[4Q321]] +
#4 = 'OTH Chronological Elements = #10 as {Totality of Nature = Formula
of Progression of individual phenomena: #1 = {0: 1} + #2 = {0: -1, 1: 1}
+ #3 = {0: 0, 1: 1} + #4 = {0: 1, 1: 1} = #10 = {0: 1, 1: 0, 2: 1}}
vCube Balanced Ternary System distribution: #1 = {0: 1}; #41 = {0: -1,
1: -1, 2: -1, 3: -1, 4: 1}; #81 = (0: 0, 1: 0, 2:0, 3:0, 4:1}
ONE: 1, 2, 3
TWO: 0, 3, 6
THREE: 0, 9, 18
FOUR: 0, 27, 54 = Chinese Tetragrammation (Yang, Yin, Zhun) of Number
(Imperial Governance of male - dragon, female (consort) - phoenix: 206
BCE to 220 CE published 2 BCE); cf: [Deuteronomy 4:1-20]
FIVE: 0, 81, 369 = 9(9�+1)/2 - Organisation of the Myriad of things
SIX: 0, 243, 729 = Appraisals within vCube (9 x 9 x 9)
SEVEN: 0, 729, 2187 = 17 March (Saint Patrick's Day and ipso facto 25
March) + 2 x 'OTH CYCLE of 1092 (6 x 364 = 6D) days as Genesis and
substantiation of Christian identity.
"And jubilees will pass until Israel is purified from all the sin of
fornication, and defilement and uncleanness, and sin and error. And they
will dwell in confidence in all the land. And then it will not have any
Satan or any evil (one). And the land will be purified from that time
and forever." [Jubilees 50:1-5]
If language has a semiotic basis in cosmology, this chronological
polarity shift at the time of Moses and the giving of the Ten
Commandments, has an equivalence in about #34 CE onwards--it is very
likely that such kinetic projections, loss of motor control and
autonomic auditory hallucinations, were all manifest by geist (or should
I say poltergeist) phenomenon--are entirely deterministic preverbal
cosmological rules, whose occurrence is then like a ribbon in time, as
threshold crossed with its arriving
bob young
Michael Christ wrote:
> > youβ who are you to judge your neighbor?
> > [/quote]
> >
> > Do you have any idea what it means to be saved?
> >
> > --
> > monkfish
>
> You are not my brother, my brother loves me as himself.
>
> How can I put this...appropriately.
>
> Take your questions and shove them up your arse.
>
> I think that will do. The Lord loves honesty and hates man-made christian
> wankerism.
Did 'He' tell you that . . . . .
or are you simply an arrogant disgusting LIAR ?
bob young
Your Personal Stalker wrote:
> On Mon, 06 Jul 2009 11:53:46 -0400, monkfish wrote:
>
> >
> > Let's pray "Dear Lord, let us all have peace and justice."
>
> That's very sweet but they will argue then whether there are three lords
> or not. Which camp are you in?
Ha Ha the camps are all full of humans
not a god to be seen, and never will
Michael Christ
"dolf" <dolf...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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> You are unnecessarily repeating yourself Michael.
You are no authority Dolf.
Michael Christ
Thommadura
> Gabriel wrote:
>> : > Clearly implying that "holiness and righteousness and purity" is
>> : > how a man gets to God, even if that's not what you intended.
>> :
>
> Michael Christ wrote:
>> : No, it was clearly stating that long have I looked for holiness and
>> : righteousness and purity, without which a man will never be with God,
>> : and I have not found it.
>
> Gabriel wrote:
>> So a person can get to God by just finding holiness,
>> righteousness and purity? So if a person thinks they are holy,
>> righteous, and pure, they will be with God?
>
> You know that is hooey.
>
> If you do not allow the Lord to make you holiness, righteous and pure,
> you will never be with God.
>
Sorry - but since a god is not proven to exist - that is NONSENSE
OF course - your statement is also a paradox of your claims - since you
claim a god is more powerful than a human - so how can a human NOT ALLOW
a god to do something.
No one will ever be with a god - life is real - gods are not proven to
be so.
Thommadura
>>> [/quote]
>>>
>>> Do you have any idea what it means to be saved?
>>>
>>> --
>>> monkfish
>> You are not my brother, my brother loves me as himself.
>>
>> How can I put this...appropriately.
>>
>> Take your questions and shove them up your arse.
>>
>> I think that will do. The Lord loves honesty and hates man-made christian
>> wankerism.
>
> Did 'He' tell you that . . . . .
> or are you simply an arrogant disgusting LIAR ?
Still another "fabrication" of a theist who has made up his own religion
- the standard thing in this group. He would be a heretic to the major
christian denominations. IF there was a god- he would not have the
ability to decide what his god is or does -= the god would establish
that for all. That christians can ARGUE over what a god is - makes it
clear that there is no god to establish itself.
Since all chrisitan belief is MAN-made - and cannot be proven to be
otherwise - his is established to be "wankerism" too. ANd He cannot
prove otherwise either.
Michael Christ
"bob young" <alasp...@netvigator.com> wrote in message
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Michael Christ wrote:
Michael Christ wrote:
> I think that will do. The Lord loves honesty and hates man-made christian
> wankerism.
Bob wrote:
>Did 'He' tell you that . . . . .
>or are you simply an arrogant disgusting LIAR ?
I know Him for whom He is.
You, however, can continue in your perfection Bob.
Michael Christ
Thommadura
And you cannot establish that ANYONE is - Michael
Michael Christ
"Thommadura" <tomm...@optonline.net> wrote in message
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Only a fool can look at all creation and not see a creator.
Michael Christ