Re: Can it be possible(human's evolution)?
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Hello.
>
> Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> such;
>
> Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
No.
> Best wishes.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
possible if evolution were true.
Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> kumar wrote:
> > Hello.
> >
> > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > such;
> >
> > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
>
> No.
It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals. I
may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age. "Imbalanced ones"
can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect. GOD LORD etc. can also be
a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> > Best wishes.
>
> Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> possible if evolution were true.
Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
LORD....
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > kumar wrote:
> > > Hello.
> > >
> > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > such;
> > >
> > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> >
> > No.
>
> It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
I am familiar with the modern religions.
Thankful, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
That would be your choice.
> Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> "Imbalanced ones"
> can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
otherwise.
> GOD LORD etc. can also be
> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
HE is the infinite "I AM."
> > > Best wishes.
> >
> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > possible if evolution were true.
>
> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> LORD....
Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
16:33).
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > kumar wrote:
> > > > Hello.
> > > >
> > > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > > such;
> > > >
> > > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> > >
> > > No.
> >
> > It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
>
> I am familiar with the modern religions.
I meant, it is better to understand all sprituals in current language
of common people unabling to understand and make that understand to
all.
> Thankful, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> risen LORD Jesus Christ.
Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
>
> That would be your choice.
Sorry, I can.
> > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
>
> Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > "Imbalanced ones"
> > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
>
> Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
side are goods and other sides are bads..
> With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
Only imbalanced.
> > Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
>
> Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> otherwise.
It is one balanced aspect one balanced condition. Balance/homeostatis
is absolute..free from imperfection.
> > GOD LORD etc. can also be
> > a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
>
> LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
>
> HE is the infinite "I AM."
Yes....omni..
> > > > Best wishes.
> > >
> > > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > > possible if evolution were true.
> >
> > Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> > be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> > LORD....
>
> Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> 16:33).
HE should be the prime substance of all creations, evolutions etc.
> Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
Thanks.
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
no accident:
Christianity rhymes with Insanity.
Kumar
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> The 2 above writers provide a feast of evidence that it is
> no accident:
No, still it can be by accident or by chance, if human's current form
is by accidental fertilization between two non-human previous species.
> Christianity rhymes with Insanity.
We may respect and understand learned ancesstors and real logic/science
behing their sayings by converting their older language into current
language. First, just covert spritual effects as energetic effects.
Colour of any substance in thought to be sprit of that substance.
Kumar
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki wrote:
> The 2 above writers provide a feast of evidence that it is
> no accident:
No, still it can be by accident or by chance, if human's current form
is by accidental fertilization between two non-human previous species.
> Christianity rhymes with Insanity.
We may respect and understand learned ancesstors and real logic/science
behing their sayings by converting their older language into current
language. First, just covert spritual effects as energetic effects.
Colour/reflected colours and spectrum of any substance is/can be
thought as sprit of that substance.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > Hello.
> > > > >
> > > > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > > > such;
> > > > >
> > > > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> > >
> > > It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
> >
> > I am familiar with the modern religions.
>
> I meant, it is better to understand all sprituals in current language
> of common people unabling to understand and make that understand to
> all.
It easy to understand Jesus' teachings.
> > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> >
> > That would be your choice.
>
> Sorry, I can.
Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
by GOD.
> > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> >
> > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
>
> Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
No.
> > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> >
> > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
>
> Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> side are goods and other sides are bads..
HE holds everything together.
> > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
>
> Only imbalanced.
No. All things.
> > > Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> >
> > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> > otherwise.
>
> It is one balanced aspect one balanced condition.
The truth is infinitely more.
> Balance/homeostatis
> is absolute..free from imperfection.
Actually, balance unlike the truth is dependent on many things so it
actually is neither absolute nor perfect.
> > > GOD LORD etc. can also be
> > > a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> >
> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> >
> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
> Yes....omni..
Even omni is not sufficient to describe HIM.
> > > > > Best wishes.
> > > >
> > > > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > > > possible if evolution were true.
> > >
> > > Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> > > be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> > > LORD....
> >
> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> > 16:33).
> HE should be the prime substance of all creations, evolutions etc.
HE is infinitely more than that... HE is the Creator.
> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
> Thanks.
Thanks and praises be to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
mind, and strength.
Ronald 'More-More' Moshki
who can watch you and listen to you, to that extent you are insane.
Ronnie aka Rev. Bishop Be Kiwi
"the only people going to Hell are those who
insist they are going to Heaven."---Ronnie
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Hello.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > > > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > > > > such;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > > > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
> > >
> > > I am familiar with the modern religions.
> >
> > I meant, it is better to understand all sprituals in current language
> > of common people unabling to understand and make that understand to
> > all.
>
> It easy to understand Jesus' teachings.
provided one can understand better in current language.
> > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> >
> > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
>
> Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
>
> > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > >
> > > That would be your choice.
> >
> > Sorry, I can.
>
> Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> by GOD.
can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
environment.
> > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > >
> > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> >
> > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
>
> No.
How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
> > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > >
> > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> >
> > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > side are goods and other sides are bads..
>
> HE holds everything together.
HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
> > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> >
> > Only imbalanced.
>
> No. All things.
Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
> > > > Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> > >
> > > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> > > otherwise.
> >
> > It is one balanced aspect one balanced condition.
>
> The truth is infinitely more.
> > Balance/homeostatis
> > is absolute..free from imperfection.
>
> Actually, balance unlike the truth is dependent on many things so it
> actually is neither absolute nor perfect.
Perfect Homeostatis is the truth of perfect health.
> > > > GOD LORD etc. can also be
> > > > a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> > >
> > > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> > >
> > > HE is the infinite "I AM."
>
> > Yes....omni..
>
> Even omni is not sufficient to describe HIM.
Omni...can be or only can be ALMIGHTY.
> > > > > > Best wishes.
> > > > >
> > > > > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > > > > possible if evolution were true.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> > > > be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> > > > LORD....
> > >
> > > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> > > 16:33).
>
> > HE should be the prime substance of all creations, evolutions etc.
>
> HE is infinitely more than that... HE is the Creator.
Prime substance can also be considered as the Creater.
> > > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
>
> > Thanks.
>
> Thanks and praises be to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
> mind, and strength.
Praying as activity, can add to self and others somewhat equally in
view of newton's third law of motion and HIS judgement.
Kumar
forwarded or inherited every previous interpretation except
interpretations of current genaration as acquired. So mostly, no
previous interpretation can be super natural or non-previously existed.
However their form, language or name can be different from in out
todays language, probably we now couldn't yet know or translate that.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > Hello.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > > > > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > > > > > such;
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > > > > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No.
> > > > >
> > > > > It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
> > > >
> > > > I am familiar with the modern religions.
> > >
> > > I meant, it is better to understand all sprituals in current language
> > > of common people unabling to understand and make that understand to
> > > all.
> >
> Possibily, as *he* was/is comparatively more near to "current" and
> provided one can understand better in current language.
Actually, impossible without first placing your faith in HIM.
> > > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> > >
> > > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> >
> > Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> >
> ??
> > > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > > >
> > > > That would be your choice.
> > >
> > > Sorry, I can.
> >
> > Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> > by GOD.
> Naturally, although it is indicated in few strituals mentionings, who
> can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
> I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
> logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
> environment.
The wisdom of man is foolish when compared to GOD's wisdom.
> > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > >
> > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> >
> > No.
> How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
> How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
The separation is not permanent.
> > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > >
> > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > >
> > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> >
> > HE holds everything together.
>
> HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
HE has created all things except sin.
> > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > >
> > > Only imbalanced.
> >
> > No. All things.
> Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
> > > > > Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> > > >
> > > > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> > > > otherwise.
> > >
> > > It is one balanced aspect one balanced condition.
> >
> > The truth is infinitely more.
> > > Balance/homeostatis
> > > is absolute..free from imperfection.
> >
> > Actually, balance unlike the truth is dependent on many things so it
> > actually is neither absolute nor perfect.
>
> Perfect Homeostatis is the truth of perfect health.
No. Without the LORD, homeostasis is not perfect even in seemingly
perfect health where there is still mortality.
> > > > > GOD LORD etc. can also be
> > > > > a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> > > >
> > > > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> > > >
> > > > HE is the infinite "I AM."
> >
> > > Yes....omni..
> >
> > Even omni is not sufficient to describe HIM.
> Omni...can be or only can be ALMIGHTY.
Still insufficient.
> > > > > > > Best wishes.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > > > > > possible if evolution were true.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> > > > > be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> > > > > LORD....
> > > >
> > > > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> > > > 16:33).
> >
> > > HE should be the prime substance of all creations, evolutions etc.
> >
> > HE is infinitely more than that... HE is the Creator.
>
> Prime substance can also be considered as the Creater.
The Creator is infinitely more than substance.
> > > > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
> >
> > > Thanks.
> >
> > Thanks and praises be to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
> > mind, and strength.
> Praying as activity, can add to self and others somewhat equally in
> view of newton's third law of motion and HIS judgement.
Praying is more than an activity. It is communicating with GOD.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > > > > > kumar wrote:
> > > > > > > > Hello.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or near to
> > > > > > > > today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or indirectly. As
> > > > > > > > such;
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's form by
> > > > > > > > cross fertilization of two species as natural selection or otherwise?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
> > > > >
> > > > > I am familiar with the modern religions.
> > > >
> > > > I meant, it is better to understand all sprituals in current language
> > > > of common people unabling to understand and make that understand to
> > > > all.
> > >
> > > It is easy to understand Jesus' teachings.
>
> > provided one can understand better in current language.
>
> Actually, impossible without first placing your faith in HIM.
> > > > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> > > >
> > > > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> > >
> > > Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> > >
> > ??
> > > > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > > > >
> > > > > That would be your choice.
> > > >
> > > > Sorry, I can.
> > >
> > > Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> > > by GOD.
>
> > Naturally, although it is indicated in few strituals mentionings, who
> > can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
> > I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
> > logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
> > environment.
>
> The wisdom of man is foolish when compared to GOD's wisdom.
GOD is "omnipresent". So no one can be fool but can be different from
others due to different forms/constitutions. Omnipresence of GOD makes
every existance as "HIM". It is just someone to come into HIS
form/properties.
> > > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > > >
> > > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > >
> > > No.
>
> > How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
>
> The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
>
> > How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
>
> The separation is not permanent.
Can't an emitted or reflected spectrum be permanently seprated into
individual lights constituted in that spectrum?
> > > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > > >
> > > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > > >
> > > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> > >
> > > HE holds everything together.
> >
> > HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
>
> HE has created all things except sin.
HE is a sorce of everything(you said below; HE is sovereign. Nothing
happens without HIM). Had HE/LORD not created devils?
> > > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > > >
> > > > Only imbalanced.
> > >
> > > No. All things.
>
> > Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
>
> HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
You said...except sin?
> > > > > > Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> > > > >
> > > > > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> > > > > otherwise.
> > > >
> > > > It is one balanced aspect one balanced condition.
> > >
> > > The truth is infinitely more.
> > > > Balance/homeostatis
> > > > is absolute..free from imperfection.
> > >
> > > Actually, balance unlike the truth is dependent on many things so it
> > > actually is neither absolute nor perfect.
> >
> > Perfect Homeostatis is the truth of perfect health.
>
> No. Without the LORD, homeostasis is not perfect even in seemingly
> perfect health where there is still mortality.
>
> > > > > > GOD LORD etc. can also be
> > > > > > a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> > > > >
> > > > > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> > > > >
> > > > > HE is the infinite "I AM."
> > >
> > > > Yes....omni..
> > >
> > > Even omni is not sufficient to describe HIM.
>
> > Omni...can be or only can be ALMIGHTY.
>
> Still insufficient.
Creater, maintainer, destroyer?
> > > > > > > > Best wishes.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not be
> > > > > > > possible if evolution were true.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can also
> > > > > > be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> > > > > > LORD....
> > > > >
> > > > > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> > > > > 16:33).
> > >
> > > > HE should be the prime substance of all creations, evolutions etc.
> > >
> > > HE is infinitely more than that... HE is the Creator.
> >
> > Prime substance can also be considered as the Creater.
>
> The Creator is infinitely more than substance.
Whatever prime.
> > > > > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
> > >
> > > > Thanks.
> > >
> > > Thanks and praises be to the LORD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul,
> > > mind, and strength.
>
> > Praying as activity, can add to self and others somewhat equally in
> > view of newton's third law of motion and HIS judgement.
>
> Praying is more than an activity. It is communicating with GOD.
Communicating can also be due to activity.
Dave Oldridge
news:1148751994.7...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> Kumar wrote:
>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > kumar wrote:
>> > > Hello.
>> > >
>> > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or
>> > > near to today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or
>> > > indirectly. As such;
>> > >
>> > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's
>> > > form by cross fertilization of two species as natural selection
>> > > or otherwise?
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
>
> I am familiar with the modern religions.
>
> Thankful, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> risen LORD Jesus Christ.
It is indeed. But that does not confer a plenary indulgence for the sin
of false witness.
>> I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> That would be your choice.
>
>> Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
>> move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
>
> Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
While deeds cannot EARN you salvation, they can be the proximate cause of
your rejecting it. Attachment to evil deeds is the opposite of
repentance.
>> "Imbalanced ones"
>> can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
>> balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
>> which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced
>> ones can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by
>> continuing bad deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move
>> toward balance.
>
> Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
>
> With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
You will find that, with the Lord, thing tend to balance out. Without
God's balance, Justice becomes cruelty, Mercy becomes license. But with
that balance comes truth. Similarly, emotion must balance reason or we
lose part of ourselves.
>> Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> otherwise.
Truth is generally unknown in any absolute form. Those who think they
know it all, know it least. Science treats its knowledge as relative
rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
>> GOD LORD etc. can also be
>> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
>
> LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
>
> HE is the infinite "I AM."
Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
>> > > Best wishes.
>> >
>> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not
>> > be possible if evolution were true.
>>
>> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can
>> also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
>> LORD....
>
> Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> 16:33).
Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
I have no idea what you think you mean by this. But as a refutation of
evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only that God
has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't exist.
> Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be truthful in
all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful about science.
Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups? I've set follow-
ups.
--
Dave Oldridge+
ICQ 1800667
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
> news:1148751994.7...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> > Kumar wrote:
> >> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> >> > kumar wrote:
> >> > > Hello.
> >> > >
> >> > > Few aruge about evolution of humans "by chance" in today's or
> >> > > near to today's form. It might had also be indicated directly or
> >> > > indirectly. As such;
> >> > >
> >> > > Can it be possible that human's are borned in somewhat today's
> >> > > form by cross fertilization of two species as natural selection
> >> > > or otherwise?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> It is better to take and understand modern views of all sprituals.
> >
> > I am familiar with the modern religions.
> >
> > Thankful, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
>
> It is indeed. But that does not confer a plenary indulgence for the sin
> of false witness.
Correct.
> >> I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
>
> > That would be your choice.
> >
> >> Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> >> move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> >
> > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
>
> While deeds cannot EARN you salvation, they can be the proximate cause of
> your rejecting it. Attachment to evil deeds is the opposite of
> repentance.
It is written that LORD Jesus Christ will not lose a single soul saved
by HIM.
> >> "Imbalanced ones"
> >> can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> >> balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> >> which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced
> >> ones can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by
> >> continuing bad deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move
> >> toward balance.
> >
> > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> >
> > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
>
> You will find that, with the Lord, thing tend to balance out. Without
> God's balance, Justice becomes cruelty, Mercy becomes license. But with
> that balance comes truth. Similarly, emotion must balance reason or we
> lose part of ourselves.
What I find is that the LORD knows best so it remains my choice remain
surrendered to HIM.
> >> Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
>
> > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> > otherwise.
>
> Truth is generally unknown in any absolute form.
Not for the discerning.
> Those who think they
> know it all, know it least.
Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
> Science treats its knowledge as relative
> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart if/when you
choose to ask HIM for one.
> >> GOD LORD etc. can also be
> >> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> >
> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> >
> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
>
> Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
Correct.
> >> > > Best wishes.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would not
> >> > be possible if evolution were true.
> >>
> >> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can
> >> also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" -- GODESS/GOD
> >> LORD....
> >
> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> > 16:33).
>
> Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
"Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE treads the
winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and on
HIS thigh HE has this name written:
KING of kings and LORD of lords.
...
The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth
of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on their
flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation is
random. No selection is natural.
> But as a refutation of
> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only that God
> has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't exist.
The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in his book
"The Origin of Species" is built on the false assumption that Nature
(Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator. And, by invoking Nature, TOE
is built on the sands of the assumption that everything in our universe
occurs by chance.
> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
>
> Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
endangered at the moment.
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be truthful in
> all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful about science.
Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having to do
with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has given me a
discerning heart.
> Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there are
endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.
> I've set follow-ups.
Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even after
accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Without faith in the LORD, there can be no understanding.
> > > > > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > > > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> > > >
> > > > Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> > > >
> > > ??
> > > > > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > That would be your choice.
> > > > >
> > > > > Sorry, I can.
> > > >
> > > > Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> > > > by GOD.
> >
> > > Naturally, although it is indicated in few strituals mentionings, who
> > > can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
> > > I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
> > > logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
> > > environment.
> >
> > The wisdom of man is foolish when compared to GOD's wisdom.
>
> GOD is "omnipresent". So no one can be fool but can be different from
> others due to different forms/constitutions. Omnipresence of GOD makes
> every existance as "HIM". It is just someone to come into HIS
> form/properties.
GOD has made it know that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
Jesus Christ.
> > > > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > > > >
> > > > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > > >
> > > > No.
> >
> > > How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
> >
> > The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
> >
> > > How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
> >
> > The separation is not permanent.
> Can't an emitted or reflected spectrum be permanently seprated into
> individual lights constituted in that spectrum?
Separation of different frequencies of light can be reversed.
> > > > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > > > >
> > > > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> > > >
> > > > HE holds everything together.
> > >
> > > HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
> >
> > HE has created all things except sin.
>
> HE is a sorce of everything(you said below; HE is sovereign. Nothing
> happens without HIM). Had HE/LORD not created devils?
HE is not the source of sin.
> > > > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > > > >
> > > > > Only imbalanced.
> > > >
> > > > No. All things.
> >
> > > Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
> >
> > HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
> You said...except sin?
Though GOD is not the source of sin, which is the choice made through
free will to rebel against GOD's infinite will, HE does permit sin to
be realized from the level of conscious thought to the level of action
in the manner HE chooses.
Therefore, nothing happens without HIM.
We can only judge the results we see arising from the actions of
others.
For example, a bank robber "accidently" drops his automatic pistol
during a hold-up and it fires several rounds into the crowd killing
several. And, so the robber is convicted of multiple murders and
sentenced to life imprisonment.
GOD knows what actually happened for HE judges us by what is in our
hearts. And so what the world has judged unjustly, HE will judge
righteously.
In truth, most assuredly, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and right.
Many should fear the fact that GOD knows what we have been thinking
during every moment of our lives and will accordingly judge us.
This is why none of us are without sin because we will be held
accountable for all of our thoughts including those that the world
would deem harmless because there was no action.
Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
>> > > Actually, impossible without first placing your faith in HIM.
>
> > Possibily in one's GOD LORD...
>
> Without faith in the LORD, there can be no understanding.
> > > > > > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > > > > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> > > > >
> > > > ??
> > > > > > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > That would be your choice.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Sorry, I can.
> > > > >
> > > > > Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> > > > > by GOD.
> > >
> > > > Naturally, although it is indicated in few strituals mentionings, who
> > > > can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
> > > > I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
> > > > logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
> > > > environment.
> > >
> > > The wisdom of man is foolish when compared to GOD's wisdom.
> >
> > GOD is "omnipresent". So no one can be fool but can be different from
> > others due to different forms/constitutions. Omnipresence of GOD makes
> > every existance as "HIM". It is just someone to come into HIS
> > form/properties.
>
> GOD has made it know that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
> Jesus Christ.
or through a gross entitity aliked HIM.
> > > > > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > > > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > > > >
> > > > > No.
> > >
> > > > How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
> > >
> > > The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
> > >
> > > > How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
> > >
> > > The separation is not permanent.
>
> > Can't an emitted or reflected spectrum be permanently seprated into
> > individual lights constituted in that spectrum?
>
> Separation of different frequencies of light can be reversed.
How a spectrum emiited/reflected at the time of death/destruction if
seprated can be reversed?
> > > > > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > > > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> > > > >
> > > > > HE holds everything together.
> > > >
> > > > HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
> > >
> > > HE has created all things except sin.
> >
> > HE is a sorce of everything(you said below; HE is sovereign. Nothing
> > happens without HIM). Had HE/LORD not created devils?
>
> HE is not the source of sin.
Sin may be just our definition or name change and can be personal not
universal. A sin by one can be a good deed by other. What and act or
deed deviate us from GOD/HIS law of balance is sin.
> > > > > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Only imbalanced.
> > > > >
> > > > > No. All things.
> > >
> > > > Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
> > >
> > > HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
>
> > You said...except sin?
>
> Though GOD is not the source of sin, which is the choice made through
> free will to rebel against GOD's infinite will, HE does permit sin to
> be realized from the level of conscious thought to the level of action
> in the manner HE chooses.
>
> Therefore, nothing happens without HIM.
>
> We can only judge the results we see arising from the actions of
> others.
>
> For example, a bank robber "accidently" drops his automatic pistol
> during a hold-up and it fires several rounds into the crowd killing
> several. And, so the robber is convicted of multiple murders and
> sentenced to life imprisonment.
May be due to his past acts of imbalancing. GOD encourage and like
people to reverse into HIM...because homeostatis may be most prefered
natural goal.
> GOD knows what actually happened for HE judges us by what is in our
> hearts. And so what the world has judged unjustly, HE will judge
> righteously.
>
> In truth, most assuredly, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and right.
Everything can be interpreted in any way, still can be true as source
of all words still will be GOD.
> Many should fear the fact that GOD knows what we have been thinking
> during every moment of our lives and will accordingly judge us.
>
> This is why none of us are without sin because we will be held
> accountable for all of our thoughts including those that the world
> would deem harmless because there was no action.
All forms except GOD's form can be so thought as sin. Accountable,
mean deviations from the balance.
> Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
Thanks. Mostly, good things can only be passed/tansmitted without
physical ingestion in gross quantity.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> >> > > Actually, impossible without first placing your faith in HIM.
> >
> > > Possibily in one's GOD LORD...
> >
> > Without faith in the LORD, there can be no understanding.
> Keeping faith means going near to HIM.
No. It means turning to the LORD and bringing HIM into your life and
your heart.
> > > > > > > > Thankfully, Christianity is not a religion but a relationship with the
> > > > > > > > risen LORD Jesus Christ.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Religion can guide you how to make relationship with LORD.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Actually, religion keeps people from Christ.
> > > > > >
> > > > > ??
> > > > > > > > > I may translate most "so said as sprituals" in today's language.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > That would be your choice.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Sorry, I can.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Your ability to choose comes from the free will generously given to you
> > > > > > by GOD.
> > > >
> > > > > Naturally, although it is indicated in few strituals mentionings, who
> > > > > can understand basic logic of older, spritual and holy sayings. Mostly,
> > > > > I find just name and language changes with somewhat similar
> > > > > logic/meaning and with slight adjustments for change in time and
> > > > > environment.
> > > >
> > > > The wisdom of man is foolish when compared to GOD's wisdom.
> > >
> > > GOD is "omnipresent". So no one can be fool but can be different from
> > > others due to different forms/constitutions. Omnipresence of GOD makes
> > > every existance as "HIM". It is just someone to come into HIS
> > > form/properties.
> >
> > GOD has made it known that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
> > Jesus Christ.
>
> or through a gross entitity aliked HIM.
No.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesys Christ
> > > > > > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > > > > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No.
> > > >
> > > > > How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
> > > >
> > > > The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
> > > >
> > > > > How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
> > > >
> > > > The separation is not permanent.
> >
> > > Can't an emitted or reflected spectrum be permanently seprated into
> > > individual lights constituted in that spectrum?
> >
> > Separation of different frequencies of light can be reversed.
> How a spectrum emiited/reflected at the time of death/destruction if
> seprated can be reversed?
For man, energy is neither created nor destroyed (First Law of
Thermodynamics).
> > > > > > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > > > > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HE holds everything together.
> > > > >
> > > > > HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
> > > >
> > > > HE has created all things except sin.
> > >
> > > HE is a sorce of everything(you said below; HE is sovereign. Nothing
> > > happens without HIM). Had HE/LORD not created devils?
> >
> > HE is not the source of sin.
> Sin may be just our definition or name change and can be personal not
> universal. A sin by one can be a good deed by other. What and act or
> deed deviate us from GOD/HIS law of balance is sin.
Balance is not one of GOD's laws.
> > > > > > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > Only imbalanced.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > No. All things.
> > > >
> > > > > Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
> > > >
> > > > HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
> >
> > > You said...except sin?
> >
> > Though GOD is not the source of sin, which is the choice made through
> > free will to rebel against GOD's infinite will, HE does permit sin to
> > be realized from the level of conscious thought to the level of action
> > in the manner HE chooses.
> >
> > Therefore, nothing happens without HIM.
> >
> > We can only judge the results we see arising from the actions of
> > others.
> >
> > For example, a bank robber "accidently" drops his automatic pistol
> > during a hold-up and it fires several rounds into the crowd killing
> > several. And, so the robber is convicted of multiple murders and
> > sentenced to life imprisonment.
> May be due to his past acts of imbalancing. GOD encourage and like
> people to reverse into HIM...because homeostatis may be most prefered
> natural goal.
Homeostasis has no meaning here.
> > GOD knows what actually happened for HE judges us by what is in our
> > hearts. And so what the world has judged unjustly, HE will judge
> > righteously.
> >
> > In truth, most assuredly, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and right.
> Everything can be interpreted in any way, still can be true as source
> of all words still will be GOD.
There is only one truth and it is absolute. All other words arise from
sin which is apart from GOD and are therefore not part of the truth.
> > Many should fear the fact that GOD knows what we have been thinking
> > during every moment of our lives and will accordingly judge us.
> >
> > This is why none of us are without sin because we will be held
> > accountable for all of our thoughts including those that the world
> > would deem harmless because there was no action.
> All forms except GOD's form can be so thought as sin.
Incorrect.
> Accountable,
> mean deviations from the balance.
> > Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
>
> Thanks.
Thanks be to GOD, Whom I love with all my being.
> Mostly, good things can only be passed/tansmitted without
> physical ingestion in gross quantity.
Only that which is of and from GOD are good.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > > GOD has made it known that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
> > > Jesus Christ.
> >
> > or through a gross entitity aliked HIM.
>
> No.
>
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesys Christ
or I am the way to truth and the life...."
> > > > > > > > > > Mostly, by by good/spritual followings, by good deeds etc., one can
> > > > > > > > > > move towards balance, truth, GOD etc in current age.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Yes, the world believes there is salvation by works/acts.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Can one seprate all his bondings of his soul by works/acts to convert
> > > > > > > > soul in individual energy or in prime force/particle?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No.
> > > > >
> > > > > > How one can seprate spectrum into individual wave lengths?
> > > > >
> > > > > The soul is not electromagnetic radiation.
> > > > >
> > > > > > How prism effect can permanental seprate previously formed spectrums?
> > > > >
> > > > > The separation is not permanent.
> > >
> > > > Can't an emitted or reflected spectrum be permanently seprated into
> > > > individual lights constituted in that spectrum?
> > >
> > > Separation of different frequencies of light can be reversed.
>
> > How a spectrum emiited/reflected at the time of death/destruction if
> > seprated can be reversed?
>
> For man, energy is neither created nor destroyed (First Law of
> Thermodynamics).
But it can be changed/converted from one form to other. It is not
energy but the spectrum consiting many different energies alike
sunlight, which I am talking.
> > > > > > > > > > "Imbalanced ones"
> > > > > > > > > > can obiously be attracted towards balanced one. By such exposures,
> > > > > > > > > > balanced one can be slightly imbalanced(suffered due to our sins)
> > > > > > > > > > which he can again balance by continuing good deeds and imbalanced ones
> > > > > > > > > > can be slightly balanced ,who can be again imbalanced by continuing bad
> > > > > > > > > > deeds. So everyone may have a natural tendency to move toward balance.
> > > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > > Without the LORD, balance is meaningless.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Yes, HE may hold the centre cord of weighing instrument in which one
> > > > > > > > side are goods and other sides are bads..
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > HE holds everything together.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > HE may be the basis of every other thing seprate or together.
> > > > >
> > > > > HE has created all things except sin.
> > > >
> > > > HE is a sorce of everything(you said below; HE is sovereign. Nothing
> > > > happens without HIM). Had HE/LORD not created devils?
> > >
> > > HE is not the source of sin.
>
> > Sin may be just our definition or name change and can be personal not
> > universal. A sin by one can be a good deed by other. What and act or
> > deed deviate us from GOD/HIS law of balance is sin.
>
> Balance is not one of GOD's laws.
It is liking of HIM.
> > > > > > > > > With the LORD, all things are possible even what is imbalanced.
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > Only imbalanced.
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > No. All things.
> > > > >
> > > > > > Why HE will interfere balanced ones?
> > > > >
> > > > > HE is sovereign. Nothing happens without HIM.
> > >
> > > > You said...except sin?
> > >
> > > Though GOD is not the source of sin, which is the choice made through
> > > free will to rebel against GOD's infinite will, HE does permit sin to
> > > be realized from the level of conscious thought to the level of action
> > > in the manner HE chooses.
> > >
> > > Therefore, nothing happens without HIM.
> > >
> > > We can only judge the results we see arising from the actions of
> > > others.
> > >
> > > For example, a bank robber "accidently" drops his automatic pistol
> > > during a hold-up and it fires several rounds into the crowd killing
> > > several. And, so the robber is convicted of multiple murders and
> > > sentenced to life imprisonment.
>
> > May be due to his past acts of imbalancing. GOD encourage and like
> > people to reverse into HIM...because homeostatis may be most prefered
> > natural goal.
>
> Homeostasis has no meaning here.
It means a balance a perfect harmony among all constituents in nature
in body etc. I just kept this science groups in consideration.
> > > GOD knows what actually happened for HE judges us by what is in our
> > > hearts. And so what the world has judged unjustly, HE will judge
> > > righteously.
> > >
> > > In truth, most assuredly, I know my LORD to be kind, just, and right.
>
> > Everything can be interpreted in any way, still can be true as source
> > of all words still will be GOD.
>
> There is only one truth and it is absolute. All other words arise from
> sin which is apart from GOD and are therefore not part of the truth.
All words said by anyone can be absolute but we all may not be same, so
can consider those otherwise or differently. A lion and a man standing
opposite to other and want to kill each other. Both have their own
"selfish purposes" but still no one can be wrong or at sin in actual
unless killing is for no purpose or just for luxuary.
> > > Many should fear the fact that GOD knows what we have been thinking
> > > during every moment of our lives and will accordingly judge us.
> > >
> > > This is why none of us are without sin because we will be held
> > > accountable for all of our thoughts including those that the world
> > > would deem harmless because there was no action.
>
> > All forms except GOD's form can be so thought as sin.
>
> Incorrect.
All imbalanced state or forms can be considered as sin.
> > Accountable,
> > mean deviations from the balance.
Only deviations from balance or from GOD can be accountable.
> > > Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
My soul can be endangered if I go against HIM or against HIS law/system
of balance. If interpreting in my language or in current language is
against HIS law/system of balance as per current age entitlements, my
body and my soul can be endangered ( possible). But it is difficult to
change intentions, predispostions, constitutions or my entitlements to
understand and indicate real meanings? My resistance,even need of time,
never persists. GOD will judge suitably for here and there, for body
and soul...accordingly.
> Thanks be to GOD, Whom I love with all my being.
>
> > Mostly, good things can only be passed/tansmitted without
> > physical ingestion in gross quantity.
>
> Only that which is of and from GOD are good.
Spritual and natural effects may never harm as these are our basis.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > Kumar wrote:
> > > > GOD has made it known that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
> > > > Jesus Christ.
> > >
> > > or through a gross entitity aliked HIM.
> >
> > No.
> >
>
> or I am the way to truth and the life...."
No.
You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
regarding you has been done.
It remains your choice to believe the truth or not.
You have the free will that GOD has generously given you.
HE will not take that away from you regardless of your choices.
Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Mark K. Bilbo
<1148855552.2...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
> It is written that LORD Jesus Christ will not lose a single soul saved by
> HIM.
But, boy, he sure had butter fingers when it came to your brain...
--
Mark K. Bilbo
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"Everything New Orleans"
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Mark K. Bilbo
> You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
> regarding you has been done.
Chunk's inching closer to proclaiming himself the messiah...
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <1148904231.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
>
> > You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
> > regarding you has been done.
>
> Chunk's inching closer to proclaiming himself the messiah...
No.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write so it
is not surprising that you see HIS work in these usenet posts.
Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Mark.
Kumar
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> Kumar wrote:
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
> > > Kumar wrote:
> > > > > GOD has made it known that the only way to HIM is through HIS Son, LORD
> > > > > Jesus Christ.
> > > >
> > > > or through a gross entitity aliked HIM.
> > >
> > > No.
> > >
> > > "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >
> > or I am the way to truth and the life...."
>
> No.
>
> You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
> regarding you has been done.
> It remains your choice to believe the truth or not.
> You have the free will that GOD has generously given you.
I believe first than try understanding in current language, in logics
or in science or in both which convince and satisfy me...
> HE will not take that away from you regardless of your choices.
HE is parellel to me and I am with HIM.
> Still praying for your endangered soul, dear Kumar.
Thanks.
Mark K. Bilbo
> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <1148904231.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
>>
>> > You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
>> > regarding you has been done.
>>
>> Chunk's inching closer to proclaiming himself the messiah...
>
> No.
>
> It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I love with all
> my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>
> The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write so it is
> not surprising that you see HIS work in these usenet posts.
Without the Haldoperidol, your posts are meaningless.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> <1148908452.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
> >> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
> >> <1148904231.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
> >>
> >> > You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for me
> >> > regarding you has been done.
> >>
> >> Chunk's inching closer to proclaiming himself the messiah...
> >
> > No.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I love with all
> > my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
> >
> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write so it is
> > not surprising that you see HIS work in these usenet posts.
>
> Without the Haldoperidol, your posts are meaningless.
During my walk with Christ the LORD keeps me completely well,
thankfully.
One knows when one is walking very close to Christ when anti-christians
are unable to distinguish one from the Other.
And, so anti-christians like you are used by GOD to strengthen the
faith of HIS people.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for creating you.
Mark K. Bilbo
> Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> <1148908452.0...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>...
>> > Mark K. Bilbo wrote:
>> >> Previously, on alt.atheism, Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD in episode
>> >> <1148904231.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com>...
>> >>
>> >> > You have been informed about the truth and so my Father's work for
>> >> > me regarding you has been done.
>> >>
>> >> Chunk's inching closer to proclaiming himself the messiah...
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ, Whom I love with
>> > all my heart, soul, mind, and strength.
>> >
>> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write so
>> > it is not surprising that you see HIS work in these usenet posts.
>>
>> Without the Haldoperidol, your posts are meaningless.
>
> During my walk with Christ the LORD keeps me completely well, thankfully.
>
> One knows when one is walking very close to Christ when anti-christians
> are unable to distinguish one from the Other.
>
> And, so anti-christians like you are used by GOD to strengthen the faith
> of HIS people.
Without the Haldoperidol and the Lorazepam your posts are meaningless.
Dave Oldridge
news:1148855552.2...@j33g2000cwa.googlegroups.com:
So you say, but how can we be sure. Most people who say that to me just
want me to surrender to THEM.
>> >> Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
>>
>> > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
>> > otherwise.
>>
>> Truth is generally unknown in any absolute form.
>
> Not for the discerning.
Even the most discerning person will never know all truth.
>> Those who think they
>> know it all, know it least.
>
> Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
Uh huh. Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
our own.
>> Science treats its knowledge as relative
>> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
>> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
>
> It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart if/when you
> choose to ask HIM for one.
He does. But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
>> >> GOD LORD etc. can also be
>> >> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
>> >
>> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
>> >
>> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
>>
>> Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
>
> Correct.
>
>> >> > > Best wishes.
>> >> >
>> >> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would
>> >> > not be possible if evolution were true.
>> >>
>> >> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can
>> >> also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" --
>> >> GODESS/GOD LORD....
>> >
>> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
>> > 16:33).
>>
>> Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
>
> "Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
> nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE treads the
> winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and on
> HIS thigh HE has this name written:
>
> KING of kings and LORD of lords.
That's nice. But Moloch is also known as a king and lord. Be careful
which god you follow.
> The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth
> of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on
> their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
>> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
> Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation is
> random. No selection is natural.
Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the meaning
of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto, NATURAL.
>> But as a refutation of
>> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only that
>> God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't exist.
> The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in his
> book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false assumption that
> Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator. And, by invoking
> Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the assumption that everything in
> our universe occurs by chance.
No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots of new
variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
"Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are too
complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only REAL chance
events are quantum level events, such as the exact moment a particular
uranium atom decides to spit out a helium nucleus.
>> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
>>
>> Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
>
> It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
> endangered at the moment.
>> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>>
>> His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be truthful
>> in all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful about
>> science.
>
> Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having to do
> with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has given me a
> discerning heart.
Hmmm....
>> Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?
>
> The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there are
> endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.
Hmmm....then you acknowledge that He may well have sent me to keep you on
the straight an narrow?
>> I've set follow-ups.
>
> Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even after
> accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
>
> Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
Really? Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours? I'm
still not clear an where you are coming from.
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
His love truly IS amazing. But false witness against scientists you don't
even know is still a sin.
John
Isn't it possible that even the quantum events only appear as random
for the same reason as your first sentence,i.e., we don't know enough
yet?
But you can't commit false witness unintentionally. I.e., it is not a
sin to simply be mistaken.
Blessings,
John
Kumar
Kumar
sin to simply be mistaken. "
Good words thanks. One can be mistaken or different may not be at sin
unless a intention for some selfish interest is vsted. Moreover false
witness can be false when opposite side is abosulute and complete.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> > surrendered to HIM.
>
> So you say, but how can we be sure.
You remind me of how Peter was after hearing about HIS difficult future
from Jesus. Peter looked back at John and asked Jesus, "What about
him?"
> Most people who say that to me just
> want me to surrender to THEM.
It is your choice. Our LORD does not take away our respective free
wills at any time during our walk with Christ. If HE did, we would no
longer be able to love either HIM or others per HIS two commandments.
> >> >> Truth is also a balanced state of any aspect.
> >>
> >> > Truth is singular and absolute. It is not a state balanced or
> >> > otherwise.
> >>
> >> Truth is generally unknown in any absolute form.
> >
> > Not for the discerning.
>
> Even the most discerning person will never know all truth.
In truth, most assuredly, I know LORD Jesus Christ to be kind, just,
and right.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
14:6)
> >> Those who think they
> >> know it all, know it least.
> >
> > Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
>
> Uh huh.
Yes.
> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
> our own.
You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
vision of the seeing.
> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
> >> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
> >
> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart if/when you
> > choose to ask HIM for one.
>
> He does.
HE has not.
> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
Not the same as discerning.
> >> >> GOD LORD etc. can also be
> >> >> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> >> >
> >> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> >> >
> >> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
> >>
> >> Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >> >> > > Best wishes.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which would
> >> >> > not be possible if evolution were true.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form can
> >> >> also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" --
> >> >> GODESS/GOD LORD....
> >> >
> >> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD (Proverbs
> >> > 16:33).
> >>
> >> Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
> >
> > "Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
> > nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE treads the
> > winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and on
> > HIS thigh HE has this name written:
> >
> > KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>
> That's nice. But Moloch is also known as a king and lord.
Don't know Moloch. Do you?
> Be careful which god you follow.
Matthew 7
> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the mouth
> > of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged themselves on
> > their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
>
> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
>
> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation is
> > random. No selection is natural.
>
> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the meaning
> of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto, NATURAL.
Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
Nature).
Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
natural.
> >> But as a refutation of
> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only that
> >> God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't exist.
>
> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in his
> > book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false assumption that
> > Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator. And, by invoking
> > Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the assumption that everything in
> > our universe occurs by chance.
>
> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots of new
> variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
exist.
> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are too
> complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only REAL chance
> events are quantum level events, such as the exact moment a particular
> uranium atom decides to spit out a helium nucleus.
According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
... nothing is randomly occurring.
> >> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
> >>
> >> Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
> >
> > It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
> > endangered at the moment.
>
> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >>
> >> His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be truthful
> >> in all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful about
> >> science.
> >
> > Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having to do
> > with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has given me a
> > discerning heart.
>
> Hmmm....
It is one of countless numbers of spiritual gifts from the Holy Spirit.
> >> Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?
> >
> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
> >
> > It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there are
> > endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.
>
> Hmmm....then you acknowledge that He may well have sent me to keep you on
> the straight an narrow?
Your asking indicates that HE has not.
> >> I've set follow-ups.
> >
> > Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even after
> > accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
> >
> > Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
>
> Really?
Yes.
> Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?
No.
> I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.
It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the Holy
Spirit will be a mystery to others.
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> His love truly IS amazing. But false witness against scientists you don't
> even know is still a sin.
Correct.
It remains my choice to continue writing truthfully.
Still praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jjl29
Dave Oldridge
news:pncn721jlm4fibslu...@4ax.com:
I suppose it's possible. But the weird thing is that the more we know
about it the weirder it gets. It seems it IS possible to be in more than
one place at the same time.
No it's not. But the devil is subtle. He gets someone to tell a lie
that the intended victims WANT to believe. Then they tell it to another
and another. Someone eventually comes along and says that it's a lie,
but if the person retelling it has invested enough emotional capital,
they're apt to just keep on telling it and/or refuse to investigate
dispassionately.
And too much of latter-day young-earth creationist apologetics is clearly
DESIGNED to deceive the ignorant while also clearly constructed without a
care at all for actual scientific accuracy.
Mens rea.
Dave Oldridge
Good. That's a start. But it is not all truth.
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
> 14:6)
>> >> Those who think they
>> >> know it all, know it least.
>> >
>> > Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
>>
>> Uh huh.
>
> Yes.
So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them? An
interesting concept. Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your
work?
>> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
>> our own.
> You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
> vision of the seeing.
And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
>> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
>> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
>> >> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
>> >
>> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart if/when
>> > you choose to ask HIM for one.
>>
>> He does.
>
> HE has not.
You now speak for Him? I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
so be very careful what you say about us. You are NOT talking to God
behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
>> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
>
> Not the same as discerning.
Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking. I
think that's utter bilge. And I think you actually know this but like
confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't otherwise get.
>> >> >> GOD LORD etc. can also be
>> >> >> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
>> >> >
>> >> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
>> >> >
>> >> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
>> >>
>> >> Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
>> >
>> > Correct.
>> >
>> >> >> > > Best wishes.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which
>> >> >> > would not be possible if evolution were true.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form
>> >> >> can also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" --
>> >> >> GODESS/GOD LORD....
>> >> >
>> >> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD
>> >> > (Proverbs 16:33).
>> >>
>> >> Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
>> >
>> > "Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
>> > nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE treads the
>> > winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and
>> > on HIS thigh HE has this name written:
>> >
>> > KING of kings and LORD of lords.
>>
>> That's nice. But Moloch is also known as a king and lord.
>
> Don't know Moloch. Do you?
We've met. I won't say it was a pleasure (on either part--I'm an
exorcist).
>> Be careful which god you follow.
> Matthew 7
>> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the
>> > mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
>> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
>>
>> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
>>
>> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation is
>> > random. No selection is natural.
>>
>> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the
>> meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto,
>> NATURAL.
>
> Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
> Nature).
But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and sustaining it in
being. You're still living in a world where God is circumscribe by rules
YOU are inventing.
> Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
> natural.
Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
>> >> But as a refutation of
>> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only
>> >> that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't
>> >> exist.
>>
>> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in his
>> > book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false assumption that
>> > Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator. And, by invoking
>> > Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the assumption that everything
>> > in our universe occurs by chance.
>>
>> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots of
>> new variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
>
> No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
> exist.
Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that make
us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we keep chewing
on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine all sorts of evils,
including a great many that have no reality whatever. Then some of us
decide that it is good politics to sacrifice others to these false gods.
>> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are
>> too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only REAL
>> chance events are quantum level events, such as the exact moment a
>> particular uranium atom decides to spit out a helium nucleus.
> According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest levels
of existence.
> ... nothing is randomly occurring.
>> >> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
>> >>
>> >> Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
>> >
>> > It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
>> > endangered at the moment.
>>
>> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>> >>
>> >> His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be
>> >> truthful in all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful
>> >> about science.
>> >
>> > Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having to
>> > do with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has given
>> > me a discerning heart.
>>
>> Hmmm....
>
> It is one of countless numbers of spiritual gifts from the Holy
> Spirit.
The Holy Spirit I know. But some of the spirits I see around here aren't
that holy.
>> >> Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?
>> >
>> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
>> >
>> > It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there are
>> > endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.
>>
>> Hmmm....then you acknowledge that He may well have sent me to keep
>> you on the straight an narrow?
>
> Your asking indicates that HE has not.
And you know this because God appeared to you in a burning bush and told
you? Can I get some of that bush to smoke, too?
>> >> I've set follow-ups.
>> >
>> > Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even
>> > after accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
>> >
>> > Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
>>
>> Really?
>
> Yes.
That's nice.
>> Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?
>
> No.
That's wise.
>> I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.
>
> It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the Holy
> Spirit will be a mystery to others.
No wonder you can't figure me out!
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
HE is the truth. That is all I need.
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John
> > 14:6)
>
> >> >> Those who think they
> >> >> know it all, know it least.
> >> >
> >> > Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
> >>
> >> Uh huh.
> >
> > Yes.
>
> So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?
No.
> An interesting concept.
Why do false things interest you?
> Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?
Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.
> >> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
> >> our own.
>
> > You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
> > vision of the seeing.
>
> And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my ego
remains slain.
> >> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
> >> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
> >> >> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
> >> >
> >> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart if/when
> >> > you choose to ask HIM for one.
> >>
> >> He does.
> >
> > HE has not.
>
> You now speak for Him?
No.
> I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
> so be very careful what you say about us.
Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.
> You are NOT talking to God
> behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
vision are seeing.
> >> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
> >
> > Not the same as discerning.
>
> Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.
No.
What I have written is the a discerning heart can come only from GOD
and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to give
you one.
No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
discerning heart.
> I think that's utter bilge.
Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> And I think you actually know this but like
> confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't otherwise get.
Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.
> >> >> >> GOD LORD etc. can also be
> >> >> >> a balanced state of every aspect at prime level.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > LORD GOD Almighty is simply HIMSELF.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE is the infinite "I AM."
> >> >>
> >> >> Yes He is. But neither you nor I are.
> >> >
> >> > Correct.
> >> >
> >> >> >> > > Best wishes.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind heart, which
> >> >> >> > would not be possible if evolution were true.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Sorry, but evolution/complex from prime force to today's form
> >> >> >> can also be considered as a work of "PRIME FORCE/PARTICLE" --
> >> >> >> GODESS/GOD LORD....
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Evolution has been irrevocably slain by the Word of GOD
> >> >> > (Proverbs 16:33).
> >> >>
> >> >> Jesus Christ didn't slay anything, as far as I can tell.
> >> >
> >> > "Out of HIS mouth comes a sharp sword with which to strike down the
> >> > nations. 'HE will rule them with an iron scepter.' HE treads the
> >> > winepress of the fury of the wrath of GOD Almighty. On HIS robe and
> >> > on HIS thigh HE has this name written:
> >> >
> >> > KING of kings and LORD of lords.
> >>
> >> That's nice. But Moloch is also known as a king and lord.
> >
> > Don't know Moloch. Do you?
>
> We've met. I won't say it was a pleasure (on either part--I'm an
> exorcist).
It is written that those who live by the sword will die by the sword.
> >> Be careful which god you follow.
>
> > Matthew 7
>
> >> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the
> >> > mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
> >> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
> >>
> >> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
> >>
> >> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation is
> >> > random. No selection is natural.
> >>
> >> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the
> >> meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto,
> >> NATURAL.
> >
> > Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
> > Nature).
>
> But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and sustaining it in
> being. You're still living in a world where God is circumscribe by rules
> YOU are inventing.
No.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
> > Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
> > natural.
>
> Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.
> >> >> But as a refutation of
> >> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only
> >> >> that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't
> >> >> exist.
> >>
> >> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in his
> >> > book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false assumption that
> >> > Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator. And, by invoking
> >> > Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the assumption that everything
> >> > in our universe occurs by chance.
> >>
> >> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots of
> >> new variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
> >
> > No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
> > exist.
>
> Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
That is not what I discern.
> Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that make
> us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we keep chewing
> on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine all sorts of evils,
> including a great many that have no reality whatever. Then some of us
> decide that it is good politics to sacrifice others to these false gods.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.
> >> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are
> >> too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only REAL
> >> chance events are quantum level events, such as the exact moment a
> >> particular uranium atom decides to spit out a helium nucleus.
>
> > According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
>
> I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
> mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest levels
> of existence.
Quantum mechanics remains a theory.
> > ... nothing is randomly occurring.
>
> >> >> > Still praying for your soul, dear Kumar.
> >> >>
> >> >> Be careful what you pray for. You may get it.
> >> >
> >> > It remains my choice to pray on behalf of Kumar's soul which is
> >> > endangered at the moment.
> >>
> >> >> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
> >> >>
> >> >> His love IS amazing. But you know, He told me to try to be
> >> >> truthful in all matters. Too many creationists are NOT truthful
> >> >> about science.
> >> >
> >> > Thankfully, the LORD has made knowledgeable in all things having to
> >> > do with genetics and the theory of evolution **and** HE has given
> >> > me a discerning heart.
> >>
> >> Hmmm....
> >
> > It is one of countless numbers of spiritual gifts from the Holy
> > Spirit.
>
> The Holy Spirit I know. But some of the spirits I see around here aren't
> that holy.
Agree.
> >> >> Why are you crossposting to so many irrelevant groups?
> >> >
> >> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
> >> >
> >> > It seems HE holds the contrary opinion that we go where there are
> >> > endangered souls. That is HIS style afterall.
> >>
> >> Hmmm....then you acknowledge that He may well have sent me to keep
> >> you on the straight an narrow?
> >
> > Your asking indicates that HE has not.
>
> And you know this because God appeared to you in a burning bush and told
> you?
No.
> Can I get some of that bush to smoke, too?
You can pray and ask for a discerning heart too.
> >> >> I've set follow-ups.
> >> >
> >> > Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even
> >> > after accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
> >> >
> >> > Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
> >>
> >> Really?
> >
> > Yes.
>
> That's nice.
>
> >> Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?
> >
> > No.
>
> That's wise.
The wisdom is from GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
strength.
> >> I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.
> >
> > It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the Holy
> > Spirit will be a mystery to others.
>
> No wonder you can't figure me out!
The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
Still praying for you, dear David.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jq8yo
Dave Oldridge
> Dave Oldridge wrote:
>> >> Even the most discerning person will never know all truth.
>> >
>> > In truth, most assuredly, I know LORD Jesus Christ to be kind,
>> > just, and right.
>>
>> Good. That's a start. But it is not all truth.
>
> HE is the truth. That is all I need.
>
>> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>> > (John 14:6)
>>
>> >> >> Those who think they
>> >> >> know it all, know it least.
>> >> >
>> >> > Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
>> >>
>> >> Uh huh.
>> >
>> > Yes.
>>
>> So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?
>
> No.
Weird. You just more or less contradicted yourself.
>> An interesting concept.
>
> Why do false things interest you?
Because there are a lot of falsehoods abroad in the world and God has
recruited me to deal with some of them.
>> Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?
>
> Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.
If that's actually what you're doing it can require much or little effort
depending on the work.
>> >> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
>> >> our own.
>>
>> > You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
>> > vision of the seeing.
>>
>> And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
>
> Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my ego
> remains slain.
Looks pretty lively to me!
>> >> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
>> >> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
>> >> >> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
>> >> >
>> >> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart
>> >> > if/when you choose to ask HIM for one.
>> >>
>> >> He does.
>> >
>> > HE has not.
>>
>> You now speak for Him?
>
> No.
S'funny...now you're contradicting yourself again.
>> I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
>> so be very careful what you say about us.
>
> Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.
>> You are NOT talking to God
>> behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
> You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
> recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
> vision are seeing.
As if I should care about your bad choice of metaphors.
Of course, maybe you're so blind you cannot tell whether someone can see
or not.
>> >> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
>> >
>> > Not the same as discerning.
>>
>> Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.
>
> No.
>
> What I have written is the a discerning heart can come only from GOD
> and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to give
> you one.
> No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
> discerning heart.
Anyone foolish enough to think they can compel God is a fool indeed.
>> I think that's utter bilge.
>
> Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
But I am not without the Lord.
>> And I think you actually know this but like
>> confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't otherwise
>> get.
> Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
> gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.
Yet, three times in this post you have made claims that depend on such
knowledge.
And this is relevant how?
>> >> Be careful which god you follow.
>>
>> > Matthew 7
>>
>> >> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the
>> >> > mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
>> >> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
>> >>
>> >> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
>> >>
>> >> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation
>> >> > is random. No selection is natural.
>> >>
>> >> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the
>> >> meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto,
>> >> NATURAL.
>> >
>> > Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
>> > Nature).
>>
>> But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and sustaining
>> it in being. You're still living in a world where God is
>> circumscribe by rules YOU are inventing.
>
> No.
Yes....the theological error is subtle but the result is that you end up
setting up nature against God, science against the presumption of
revelation in a false conflict that quickly becomes a tool for the devil
to suborn sin.
> To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
>> > Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
>> > natural.
>>
>> Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
>
> Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.
Science is not theology. While scientists individually can and do credit
God for creation, they are not in the business of teaching religious
dogmas to infidels. One of the unique things about scientific inquiry is
that success does not depend on any political factors such as belonging
to the right party or cult.
>> >> >> But as a refutation of
>> >> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only
>> >> >> that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't
>> >> >> exist.
>> >>
>> >> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in
>> >> > his book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false
>> >> > assumption that Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator.
>> >> > And, by invoking Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the
>> >> > assumption that everything in our universe occurs by chance.
>> >>
>> >> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots
>> >> of new variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
>> >
>> > No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
>> > exist.
>>
>> Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
>
> That is not what I discern.
Then your discernment is not very deep, since scripture actually tells us
of these entities.
>> Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that
>> make us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we keep
>> chewing on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine all sorts
>> of evils, including a great many that have no reality whatever. Then
>> some of us decide that it is good politics to sacrifice others to
>> these false gods.
>
> It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.
Yes, but is that a walk or just a talk. I'm in no position to judge you
here but I notice a quick tendency on your part to judge others...
>> >> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are
>> >> too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only
>> >> REAL chance events are quantum level events, such as the exact
>> >> moment a particular uranium atom decides to spit out a helium
>> >> nucleus.
>>
>> > According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
>>
>> I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
>> mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest
>> levels of existence.
>
> Quantum mechanics remains a theory.
True, but the experiments and observations that support it are not
theories, they are actual experiments and observations. And some of
those indicate that, at the very smallest level, the universe may well
have random elements. I'm not saying that they remain random at a
transcendent level. To God nothing is random. But to every ability we
even CAN possess to measure them with, some of these events are random.
A wise man wrote that we should never STOP praying. That's actually
quite a difficult project, but it's a worthwhile one.
>> >> >> I've set follow-ups.
>> >> >
>> >> > Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even
>> >> > after accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
>> >> >
>> >> > Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
>> >>
>> >> Really?
>> >
>> > Yes.
>>
>> That's nice.
>>
>> >> Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> That's wise.
>
> The wisdom is from GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
> strength.
>
>> >> I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.
>> >
>> > It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the
>> > Holy Spirit will be a mystery to others.
>>
>> No wonder you can't figure me out!
>
> The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
>
> HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
Well, we can test that theory a bit....but you'd probably rather not.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
> news:1149421946.9...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> > Dave Oldridge wrote:
>
> >> >> Even the most discerning person will never know all truth.
> >> >
> >> > In truth, most assuredly, I know LORD Jesus Christ to be kind,
> >> > just, and right.
> >>
> >> Good. That's a start. But it is not all truth.
> >
> > HE is the truth. That is all I need.
> >
> >> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> >> > (John 14:6)
> >>
> >> >> >> Those who think they
> >> >> >> know it all, know it least.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Discerning is not thinking just as seeing is not thinking.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uh huh.
> >> >
> >> > Yes.
> >>
> >> So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?
> >
> > No.
>
> Weird. You just more or less contradicted yourself.
Those without a discerning heart, which is a spiritual gift from GOD,
will never really understand what they are missing.
> >> An interesting concept.
> >
> > Why do false things interest you?
>
> Because there are a lot of falsehoods abroad in the world and God has
> recruited me to deal with some of them.
Has Christ truly sent you from HIS side or have you left HIS side
through an act of the free will HE has generously given you?
I suspect the latter.
For this reason, you will remain in my prayers, dear Dave.
May GOD give you HIS armor and protect you from the wiles of the prince
of this world who is the source of all falsehoods so that you may
someday safely return to HIS side.
Amen.
> >> Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?
> >
> > Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.
>
> If that's actually what you're doing it can require much or little effort
> depending on the work.
Actually, if it is GOD's work for you, it will not be hard. It is
written that HIS yoke is light and that has been my experience.
> >> >> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
> >> >> our own.
> >>
> >> > You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating the
> >> > vision of the seeing.
> >>
> >> And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
> >
> > Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my ego
> > remains slain.
>
> Looks pretty lively to me!
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
Whether you judge what you read as lively or not is meaningless
(Ecclesiastes).
> >> >> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
> >> >> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors. The
> >> >> >> absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly forever.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart
> >> >> > if/when you choose to ask HIM for one.
> >> >>
> >> >> He does.
> >> >
> >> > HE has not.
> >>
> >> You now speak for Him?
> >
> > No.
>
> S'funny...now you're contradicting yourself again.
No. Your belief does not surprise me. To the undiscerning, folks with
discerning hearts are indistinguishable from GOD's oracles. However,
let me assure you that I am not GOD's oracle.
The seeing readily recognize others who are seeing and those who are
blind. That is the nature of vision. In this way, a discerning heart
is like seeing eyes.
> >> I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
> >> so be very careful what you say about us.
> >
> > Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.
>
> >> You are NOT talking to God
> >> behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
>
> > You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
> > recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
> > vision are seeing.
>
> As if I should care about your bad choice of metaphors.
Sorry you dislike the metaphor. Please forgive all my iniquities.
> Of course, maybe you're so blind you cannot tell whether someone can see
> or not.
You still remind me of the same blind man.
> >> >> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
> >> >
> >> > Not the same as discerning.
> >>
> >> Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.
> >
> > No.
> >
> > What I have written is that a discerning heart can come only from GOD
> > and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to give
> > you one.
>
> > No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
> > discerning heart.
>
> Anyone foolish enough to think they can compel God is a fool indeed.
Actually, it is written that through prayer in Jesus' name we will
receive all that we ask for in prayer. This has been my experience.
Has this not been yours?
> >> I think that's utter bilge.
> >
> > Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>
> But I am not without the Lord.
You remind me of Simon Peter during that period of his life when he
left the LORD's side to draw his sword and inflict harm on others.
> >> And I think you actually know this but like
> >> confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't otherwise
> >> get.
>
> > Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
> > gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.
>
> Yet, three times in this post you have made claims that depend on such
> knowledge.
If you had chosen to write truthfully, my discerning heart would not
have appeared to you as a clairvoyant one.
See above.
> >> >> Be careful which god you follow.
> >>
> >> > Matthew 7
> >>
> >> >> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of the
> >> >> > mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
> >> >> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
> >> >>
> >> >> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No mutation
> >> >> > is random. No selection is natural.
> >> >>
> >> >> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about the
> >> >> meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso facto,
> >> >> NATURAL.
> >> >
> >> > Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
> >> > Nature).
> >>
> >> But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and sustaining
> >> it in being. You're still living in a world where God is
> >> circumscribe by rules YOU are inventing.
> >
> > No.
>
> Yes....the theological error is subtle but the result is that you end up
> setting up nature against God, science against the presumption of
> revelation in a false conflict that quickly becomes a tool for the devil
> to suborn sin.
There is no error in the choice to embrace the truth and to walk with
HIM.
"I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
Even though those who walk with HIM may stumble, HE keeps them from
ever falling.
> > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
>
> >> > Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing as
> >> > natural.
> >>
> >> Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
> >
> > Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.
>
> Science is not theology.
Correct.
Science is the search for the truth.
Theology is the study of what is believed to be the truth.
> While scientists individually can and do credit
> God for creation, they are not in the business of teaching religious
> dogmas to infidels. One of the unique things about scientific inquiry is
> that success does not depend on any political factors such as belonging
> to the right party or cult.
What unifies all is the truth, LORD GOD Almighty, Who is the source of
all knowledge and wisdom.
> >> >> >> But as a refutation of
> >> >> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says only
> >> >> >> that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that they don't
> >> >> >> exist.
> >> >>
> >> >> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin in
> >> >> > his book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false
> >> >> > assumption that Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the Creator.
> >> >> > And, by invoking Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the
> >> >> > assumption that everything in our universe occurs by chance.
> >> >>
> >> >> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing lots
> >> >> of new variation and that not all of it survives to produce more.
> >> >
> >> > No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor Zeus
> >> > exist.
> >>
> >> Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
> >
> > That is not what I discern.
>
> Then your discernment is not very deep, since scripture actually tells us
> of these entities.
... along with other idols fashioned from wood, clay, gold, etc. Such
are the meaningless creations of man (Ecclesiastes).
You still remind me of the same blind man who would feign vision by
evaluating the vision of the seeing.
> >> Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that
> >> make us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we keep
> >> chewing on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine all sorts
> >> of evils, including a great many that have no reality whatever. Then
> >> some of us decide that it is good politics to sacrifice others to
> >> these false gods.
> >
> > It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.
>
> Yes, but is that a walk or just a talk.
You still also remind me of Simon Peter, this time looking back at John
and asking Jesus' what HIS plans were for his fellow disciple.
> I'm in no position to judge you
> here but I notice a quick tendency on your part to judge others...
Recognizing sin is not judging the sinner even though many do
unconsciously and automatically judge what they observe.
> >> >> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes are
> >> >> too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The only
> >> >> REAL chance events are quantum level events, such as the exact
> >> >> moment a particular uranium atom decides to spit out a helium
> >> >> nucleus.
> >>
> >> > According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
> >>
> >> I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
> >> mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest
> >> levels of existence.
> >
> > Quantum mechanics remains a theory.
>
> True, but the experiments and observations that support it are not
> theories, they are actual experiments and observations. And some of
> those indicate that, at the very smallest level, the universe may well
> have random elements. I'm not saying that they remain random at a
> transcendent level. To God nothing is random. But to every ability we
> even CAN possess to measure them with, some of these events are random.
It remains my choice to side with GOD and HIS Word here (Proverbs
16:33).
It is wiser to walk with Christ, seeking out HIS infinite will, and
surrendering to HIS infinite will.
> >> >> >> I've set follow-ups.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Your choice. You still have HIS generous gift of free will even
> >> >> > after accepting Jesus as your LORD and Savior.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Will be praying on your behalf, dear Dave.
> >> >>
> >> >> Really?
> >> >
> >> > Yes.
> >>
> >> That's nice.
> >>
> >> >> Or will you be praying for God to bend my will to yours?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> That's wise.
> >
> > The wisdom is from GOD, Whom I love with all my heart, soul, mind, and
> > strength.
> >
> >> >> I'm still not clear an where you are coming from.
> >> >
> >> > It is written that the coming and goings of those reborn of the
> >> > Holy Spirit will be a mystery to others.
> >>
> >> No wonder you can't figure me out!
> >
> > The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
> >
> > HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
>
> Well, we can test that theory a bit....but you'd probably rather not.
Surfing the link below my name might enlighten you.
Still praying for you, dear Dave.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/jq8yo
Dave Oldridge
> Dave Oldridge wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
>> news:1149421946.9...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
>> > Dave Oldridge wrote:
>> >>
>> >> So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> Weird. You just more or less contradicted yourself.
>
> Those without a discerning heart, which is a spiritual gift from GOD,
> will never really understand what they are missing.
So discernment consists in cognitive dissonance?
>> >> An interesting concept.
>> >
>> > Why do false things interest you?
>>
>> Because there are a lot of falsehoods abroad in the world and God has
>> recruited me to deal with some of them.
>
> Has Christ truly sent you from HIS side or have you left HIS side
> through an act of the free will HE has generously given you?
> I suspect the latter.
You can suspect anything you want. But most people who give voice to
suspicions like yours are really just making it up....to draw suspicion
from themselves, you see.
> For this reason, you will remain in my prayers, dear Dave.
>
> May GOD give you HIS armor and protect you from the wiles of the
> prince of this world who is the source of all falsehoods so that you
> may someday safely return to HIS side.
I don't have any problem approaching Jesus Christ. But doing what some
people want me to do just doesn't work.
>> >> Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?
>> >
>> > Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.
>>
>> If that's actually what you're doing it can require much or little
>> effort depending on the work.
>
> Actually, if it is GOD's work for you, it will not be hard. It is
> written that HIS yoke is light and that has been my experience.
>
>> >> >> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
>> >> >> our own.
>> >>
>> >> > You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating
>> >> > the vision of the seeing.
>> >>
>> >> And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
>> >
>> > Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my
>> > ego remains slain.
>>
>> Looks pretty lively to me!
>
> The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
> Whether you judge what you read as lively or not is meaningless
> (Ecclesiastes).
I was talking about your allegedly slain ego.
>> >> >> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
>> >> >> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors.
>> >> >> >> The absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly
>> >> >> >> forever.
>> >> >> >
>> >> >> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart
>> >> >> > if/when you choose to ask HIM for one.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> He does.
>> >> >
>> >> > HE has not.
>> >>
>> >> You now speak for Him?
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> S'funny...now you're contradicting yourself again.
>
> No. Your belief does not surprise me. To the undiscerning, folks with
> discerning hearts are indistinguishable from GOD's oracles. However,
> let me assure you that I am not GOD's oracle.
> The seeing readily recognize others who are seeing and those who are
> blind. That is the nature of vision. In this way, a discerning heart
> is like seeing eyes.
This is true....I can spot a another actual initiate across 10 thousand
miles of space and 3000 years of cultural differences.
>> >> I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
>> >> so be very careful what you say about us.
>> >
>> > Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.
>>
>> >> You are NOT talking to God
>> >> behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
>>
>> > You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
>> > recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
>> > vision are seeing.
>>
>> As if I should care about your bad choice of metaphors.
>
> Sorry you dislike the metaphor. Please forgive all my iniquities.
What I dislike is the arrogant holier-than-thou 'tude.
>> Of course, maybe you're so blind you cannot tell whether someone can
>> see or not.
>
> You still remind me of the same blind man.
So what? You're hallucinating blind people all over the
place....especially in any direction from which light is coming.
>> >> >> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
>> >> >
>> >> > Not the same as discerning.
>> >>
>> >> Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.
>> >
>> > No.
>> >
>> > What I have written is that a discerning heart can come only from
>> > GOD and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to
>> > give you one.
>>
>> > No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
>> > discerning heart.
>>
>> Anyone foolish enough to think they can compel God is a fool indeed.
>
> Actually, it is written that through prayer in Jesus' name we will
> receive all that we ask for in prayer. This has been my experience.
> Has this not been yours?
That doesn't mean we can compel God. A prayer made in Jesus' name will
not be a prayer for anything contrary to God's will. In fact, if you
pray for what is contrary to God's will, the only way you will get it is
from the devil! We are told in scripture to pray according to God's
will. Now the fact is, if we do not KNOW something is God's will, then
our prayer for it is apt to be ineffectual because we lack faith in what
we're praying for. On the other hand, if we pray for guidance, to KNOW
God's will, then He will grant enlightenment.
>> >> I think that's utter bilge.
>> >
>> > Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
>>
>> But I am not without the Lord.
>
> You remind me of Simon Peter during that period of his life when he
> left the LORD's side to draw his sword and inflict harm on others.
You get reminded of a whole lot of stuff. You sure you don't have a
'reminding demon' somewhere in your pocket?
>> >> And I think you actually know this but like
>> >> confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't
>> >> otherwise get.
>>
>> > Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
>> > gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.
>>
>> Yet, three times in this post you have made claims that depend on
>> such knowledge.
>
> If you had chosen to write truthfully, my discerning heart would not
> have appeared to you as a clairvoyant one.
I always write truthfully....and now we have really unmasked your pet.
It is a demon. It incites you to lie. That's what I was afraid of when
I first answered your posts. You seemed to be a bit cavalier about what
is true and what is not.
>> >> We've met. I won't say it was a pleasure (on either part--I'm an
>> >> exorcist).
>> >
>> > It is written that those who live by the sword will die by the
>> > sword.
>>
>> And this is relevant how?
>
> See above.
You're not making any sense here.
>> >> >> Be careful which god you follow.
>> >>
>> >> > Matthew 7
>> >>
>> >> >> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of
>> >> >> > the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
>> >> >> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
>> >> >>
>> >> >> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No
>> >> >> > mutation is random. No selection is natural.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about
>> >> >> the meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso
>> >> >> facto, NATURAL.
>> >> >
>> >> > Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
>> >> > Nature).
>> >>
>> >> But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and
>> >> sustaining it in being. You're still living in a world where God
>> >> is circumscribe by rules YOU are inventing.
>> >
>> > No.
>>
>> Yes....the theological error is subtle but the result is that you end
>> up setting up nature against God, science against the presumption of
>> revelation in a false conflict that quickly becomes a tool for the
>> devil to suborn sin.
>
> There is no error in the choice to embrace the truth and to walk with
> HIM.
True, but in order to embrace truth, one must be prepared to FACE truth.
> "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
I have never denied this.
> Even though those who walk with HIM may stumble, HE keeps them from
> ever falling.
True, but He can only pick you back up if you WANT to be picked up. If
you tell Him to leave you alone and let you crawl, He will do that.
>> > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
>>
>> >> > Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing
>> >> > as natural.
>> >>
>> >> Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
>> >
>> > Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.
>>
>> Science is not theology.
>
> Correct.
> Science is the search for the truth.
No, science is a search for understanding the nature of the PHYSICAL
universe.
> Theology is the study of what is believed to be the truth.
Theology is the study of what can be known about God.
>> While scientists individually can and do credit
>> God for creation, they are not in the business of teaching religious
>> dogmas to infidels. One of the unique things about scientific
>> inquiry is that success does not depend on any political factors such
>> as belonging to the right party or cult.
> What unifies all is the truth, LORD GOD Almighty, Who is the source of
> all knowledge and wisdom.
That's fine, if you're talking about theological or philosophical TRUTH.
Even so, it requires some faith to accept it. Science, on the other hand,
is about skepticism. We do not accept the age of the earth on anyone's
mere sayso but take the time to make tests of actual physical THINGS. We
do not accept the evolution of species on mere sayso, but require real
genetic and fossil evidence.
>> >> >> >> But as a refutation of
>> >> >> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says
>> >> >> >> only that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that
>> >> >> >> they don't exist.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin
>> >> >> > in his book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false
>> >> >> > assumption that Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the
>> >> >> > Creator.
>> >> >> > And, by invoking Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the
>> >> >> > assumption that everything in our universe occurs by chance.
>> >> >>
>> >> >> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing
>> >> >> lots of new variation and that not all of it survives to
>> >> >> produce more.
>> >> >
>> >> > No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor
>> >> > Zeus exist.
>> >>
>> >> Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
>> >
>> > That is not what I discern.
>>
>> Then your discernment is not very deep, since scripture actually
>> tells us of these entities.
>
> ... along with other idols fashioned from wood, clay, gold, etc. Such
> are the meaningless creations of man (Ecclesiastes).
The worst false gods are created by the imaginations of men, not out of
wood but out of raw emotions. And these fabrications can easily be
inhabited by demonic entities.
> You still remind me of the same blind man who would feign vision by
> evaluating the vision of the seeing.
Your 'reminder demon' at work again, eh? YOU remind me of a pompous fool
claiming to see things that nobody else can.
>> >> Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that
>> >> make us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we
>> >> keep chewing on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine
>> >> all sorts of evils, including a great many that have no reality
>> >> whatever. Then some of us decide that it is good politics to
>> >> sacrifice others to these false gods.
>> >
>> > It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.
>>
>> Yes, but is that a walk or just a talk.
> You still also remind me of Simon Peter, this time looking back at
> John and asking Jesus' what HIS plans were for his fellow disciple.
What are YOUR plans? Why are you here seeking disciples of your own?
>> I'm in no position to judge you
>> here but I notice a quick tendency on your part to judge others...
>
> Recognizing sin is not judging the sinner even though many do
> unconsciously and automatically judge what they observe.
Oh, so now I'm a sinner--interesting. I knew that, but you say you were
JUDGING my sins. To do that properly you'd have to know what sins they
were.
>> >> >> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes
>> >> >> are too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The
>> >> >> only REAL chance events are quantum level events, such as the
>> >> >> exact moment a particular uranium atom decides to spit out a
>> >> >> helium nucleus.
>> >>
>> >> > According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
>> >>
>> >> I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
>> >> mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest
>> >> levels of existence.
>> >
>> > Quantum mechanics remains a theory.
>>
>> True, but the experiments and observations that support it are not
>> theories, they are actual experiments and observations. And some of
>> those indicate that, at the very smallest level, the universe may
>> well have random elements. I'm not saying that they remain random at
>> a transcendent level. To God nothing is random. But to every
>> ability we even CAN possess to measure them with, some of these
>> events are random.
>
> It remains my choice to side with GOD and HIS Word here (Proverbs
> 16:33).
Yes, but the non-randomness of these events to GOD's sight is not
relevant to US, since we cannot predict their outcome.
[snip]
>> A wise man wrote that we should never STOP praying. That's actually
>> quite a difficult project, but it's a worthwhile one.
>
> It is wiser to walk with Christ, seeking out HIS infinite will, and
> surrendering to HIS infinite will.
Hmmm, so the apostle was wrong and the scripture he wrote in error?
Interesting....
[snip]
>> > The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
>> >
>> > HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
>>
>> Well, we can test that theory a bit....but you'd probably rather not.
>
> Surfing the link below my name might enlighten you.
Your links seem to point to other messages you have written.
> Still praying for you, dear Dave.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
And I will pray for you, too:
Dominus vobiscum.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
> news:1149463576.2...@u72g2000cwu.googlegroups.com:
> > Dave Oldridge wrote:
> >> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in
> >> news:1149421946.9...@g10g2000cwb.googlegroups.com:
> >> > Dave Oldridge wrote:
> >> >>
> >> >> So the way to learn about things is to NOT think about them?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> Weird. You just more or less contradicted yourself.
> >
> > Those without a discerning heart, which is a spiritual gift from GOD,
> > will never really understand what they are missing.
>
> So discernment consists in cognitive dissonance?
No. Discernment is neither cognitive dissonance nor dysfunction.
> >> >> An interesting concept.
> >> >
> >> > Why do false things interest you?
> >>
> >> Because there are a lot of falsehoods abroad in the world and God has
> >> recruited me to deal with some of them.
> >
> > Has Christ truly sent you from HIS side or have you left HIS side
> > through an act of the free will HE has generously given you?
>
> > I suspect the latter.
>
> You can suspect anything you want. But most people who give voice to
> suspicions like yours are really just making it up....to draw suspicion
> from themselves, you see.
Back to the question:
Has Christ truly sent you from HIS side?
> > For this reason, you will remain in my prayers, dear Dave.
> >
> > May GOD give you HIS armor and protect you from the wiles of the
> > prince of this world who is the source of all falsehoods so that you
> > may someday safely return to HIS side.
>
> I don't have any problem approaching Jesus Christ.
Is Jesus Christ your LORD and Savior ?
> But doing what some
> people want me to do just doesn't work.
Have you asked GOD through prayer to keep you in HIS infinite will?
> >> >> Have you made much money by NOT thinking about your work?
> >> >
> >> > Actually, doing GOD's work does not require much effort.
> >>
> >> If that's actually what you're doing it can require much or little
> >> effort depending on the work.
> >
> > Actually, if it is GOD's work for you, it will not be hard. It is
> > written that HIS yoke is light and that has been my experience.
> >
> >> >> >> Again, we can only judge your discernment by comparing it with
> >> >> >> our own.
> >> >>
> >> >> > You remind me of the blind man who feigns vision by evaluating
> >> >> > the vision of the seeing.
> >> >>
> >> >> And I should care about what your ego reminds you of?
> >> >
> >> > Those who walk with Christ have died to self. For this reason, my
> >> > ego remains slain.
> >>
> >> Looks pretty lively to me!
> >
> > The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
> > Whether you judge what you read as lively or not is meaningless
> > (Ecclesiastes).
>
> I was talking about your allegedly slain ego.
The only thing you see here is what the LORD has guided me to write.
> >> >> >> >> Science treats its knowledge as relative
> >> >> >> >> rather than absolute. That leaves room to correct errors.
> >> >> >> >> The absolutist who is in error is stuck in error, possibly
> >> >> >> >> forever.
> >> >> >> >
> >> >> >> > It would be my hope that GOD gives you a discerning heart
> >> >> >> > if/when you choose to ask HIM for one.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> He does.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > HE has not.
> >> >>
> >> >> You now speak for Him?
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> S'funny...now you're contradicting yourself again.
> >
> > No. Your belief does not surprise me. To the undiscerning, folks with
> > discerning hearts are indistinguishable from GOD's oracles. However,
> > let me assure you that I am not GOD's oracle.
>
> > The seeing readily recognize others who are seeing and those who are
> > blind. That is the nature of vision. In this way, a discerning heart
> > is like seeing eyes.
>
> This is true....I can spot a another actual initiate across 10 thousand
> miles of space and 3000 years of cultural differences.
Your writing is incoherent here.
> >> >> I speak TO Him and HE speaks to me continually,
> >> >> so be very careful what you say about us.
> >> >
> >> > Many thanks to GOD for your choice to pray to HIM.
> >>
> >> >> You are NOT talking to God
> >> >> behind my back. Whatever it is you're talking to it's not Him.
> >>
> >> > You still remind me of the same blind man who upon having his feign
> >> > recognized by the seeing now chooses to challenge what those with
> >> > vision are seeing.
> >>
> >> As if I should care about your bad choice of metaphors.
> >
> > Sorry you dislike the metaphor. Please forgive all my iniquities.
>
> What I dislike is the arrogant holier-than-thou 'tude.
As if a seeing man were holier than one who is blind.
> >> Of course, maybe you're so blind you cannot tell whether someone can
> >> see or not.
> >
> > You still remind me of the same blind man.
>
> So what? You're hallucinating blind people all over the
> place....especially in any direction from which light is coming.
Being reminded about something is not a hallucination.
> >> >> >> But then I'm always talkin' to Him AND listening.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Not the same as discerning.
> >> >>
> >> >> Sigh.....according to you discernment is achieved by not thinking.
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >> >
> >> > What I have written is that a discerning heart can come only from
> >> > GOD and only after you ask for a discerning heart and HE chooses to
> >> > give you one.
> >>
> >> > No amount of thinking on your part will compel GOD to give you a
> >> > discerning heart.
> >>
> >> Anyone foolish enough to think they can compel God is a fool indeed.
> >
> > Actually, it is written that through prayer in Jesus' name we will
> > receive all that we ask for in prayer. This has been my experience.
> > Has this not been yours?
>
> That doesn't mean we can compel God.
To compel is not the same as to force. The repentent prayers of the
denizens of Nineveh compelled GOD to change HIS mind about destroying
them (Jonah).
> A prayer made in Jesus' name will
> not be a prayer for anything contrary to God's will.
Prayer in Jesus' name is possible only with the help of the Holy
Spirit ensuring that indeed such prayers will be within GOD's infinite
will.
> In fact, if you
> pray for what is contrary to God's will, the only way you will get it is
> from the devil!
Actually, nothing can happen contrary to GOD's infinite will least of
all with satan's help.
> We are told in scripture to pray according to God's
> will.
Where ?
> Now the fact is, if we do not KNOW something is God's will, then
> our prayer for it is apt to be ineffectual because we lack faith in what
> we're praying for.
This brings us back to the question you did not answer:
"Actually, it is written that through prayer in Jesus' name we will
receive all that we ask for in prayer. This has been my experience.
Has this not been yours?"
> On the other hand, if we pray for guidance, to KNOW
> God's will, then He will grant enlightenment.
Actually, this is not true if you are not asking in Jesus' name.
> >> >> I think that's utter bilge.
> >> >
> >> > Without the LORD, your thoughts are meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
> >>
> >> But I am not without the Lord.
> >
> > You remind me of Simon Peter during that period of his life when he
> > left the LORD's side to draw his sword and inflict harm on others.
>
> You get reminded of a whole lot of stuff. You sure you don't have a
> 'reminding demon' somewhere in your pocket?
No such thing.
Why are you bothered by the understanding that Simon Peter was without
the LORD for a period of time?
> >> >> And I think you actually know this but like
> >> >> confrontations because it gives you attention you wouldn't
> >> >> otherwise get.
> >>
> >> > Though HE has given me a discerning heart, GOD has not given me HIS
> >> > gift of clairvoyance so I do not know your thoughts.
> >>
> >> Yet, three times in this post you have made claims that depend on
> >> such knowledge.
> >
> > If you had chosen to write truthfully, my discerning heart would not
> > have appeared to you as a clairvoyant one.
>
> I always write truthfully....
That is not what I discern.
> and now we have really unmasked your pet.
You are projecting.
> It is a demon.
It is written that a house divided can not stand.
> It incites you to lie.
Would reflect what you have written back to you in hopes of helping
you:
"I always write truthfully...."
Hint:
A person who writes that s/he **always** writes truthfully is
automatically not.
> That's what I was afraid of when
> I first answered your posts.
If you were walking with Christ, you would not fear anything that is of
this world.
> You seemed to be a bit cavalier about what
> is true and what is not.
That is how folks with discerning hearts appear to those without.
> >> >> We've met. I won't say it was a pleasure (on either part--I'm an
> >> >> exorcist).
> >> >
> >> > It is written that those who live by the sword will die by the
> >> > sword.
> >>
> >> And this is relevant how?
> >
> > See above.
>
> You're not making any sense here.
"Put your sword back in its place for all who draw the sword will die
by the sword." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 26:52)
Again, you remind me of Simon Peter the exorcist.
> >> >> >> Be careful which god you follow.
> >> >>
> >> >> > Matthew 7
> >> >>
> >> >> >> > The rest of them were killed with the sword that came out of
> >> >> >> > the mouth of the rider on the horse, and all the birds gorged
> >> >> >> > themselves on their flesh." (Revelation 19:15-21)
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> >> I have no idea what you think you mean by this.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > Nothing happens by chance. There are no accidents. No
> >> >> >> > mutation is random. No selection is natural.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> Well here we disagree, but it's possibly a disagreement about
> >> >> >> the meaning of "natural." You see what God creates is, ipso
> >> >> >> facto, NATURAL.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > Natural is of Nature (capitalized by the Naturalists who worship
> >> >> > Nature).
> >> >>
> >> >> But there can be no Nature except God is creating it and
> >> >> sustaining it in being. You're still living in a world where God
> >> >> is circumscribe by rules YOU are inventing.
> >> >
> >> > No.
> >>
> >> Yes....the theological error is subtle but the result is that you end
> >> up setting up nature against God, science against the presumption of
> >> revelation in a false conflict that quickly becomes a tool for the
> >> devil to suborn sin.
> >
> > There is no error in the choice to embrace the truth and to walk with
> > HIM.
>
> True, but in order to embrace truth, one must be prepared to FACE truth.
Far wiser to love the truth, instead.
> > "I am the way, the truth, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> I have never denied this.
Is Christ Jesus your LORD and your GOD?
"My LORD **and** my GOD!" -- Disciple Thomas upon seeing the risen
Christ.
> > Even though those who walk with HIM may stumble, HE keeps them from
> > ever falling.
>
> True, but He can only pick you back up if you WANT to be picked up.
Who does not want to be picked back up after falling?
> If
> you tell Him to leave you alone and let you crawl, He will do that.
Who wants to be left alone to crawl?
> >> > To understand this, simply surf the link under my name.
> >>
> >> >> > Because there is no such thing as Nature, there is no such thing
> >> >> > as natural.
> >> >>
> >> >> Or whatever is natural is what God creates.
> >> >
> >> > Then give credit to GOD instead of Nature, which created nothing.
> >>
> >> Science is not theology.
> >
> > Correct.
>
> > Science is the search for the truth.
>
> No, science is a search for understanding the nature of the PHYSICAL
> universe.
If your definition were true, there would be no place for discovery.
> > Theology is the study of what is believed to be the truth.
>
> Theology is the study of what can be known about God.
If your definition were true, there would be no college degrees in
theology since such degrees represent quanta of knowledge.
> >> While scientists individually can and do credit
> >> God for creation, they are not in the business of teaching religious
> >> dogmas to infidels. One of the unique things about scientific
> >> inquiry is that success does not depend on any political factors such
> >> as belonging to the right party or cult.
>
> > What unifies all is the truth, LORD GOD Almighty, Who is the source of
> > all knowledge and wisdom.
>
> That's fine, if you're talking about theological or philosophical TRUTH.
Truth is absolute and can not be either categorized nor
compartmentalized.
> Even so, it requires some faith to accept it.
Not for the discerning.
However, without faith there can be no prayer in Jesus' name to receive
a discerning heart. For this reason, all discerning folks also have
faith in Christ.
> Science, on the other hand,
> is about skepticism. We do not accept the age of the earth on anyone's
> mere sayso but take the time to make tests of actual physical THINGS. We
> do not accept the evolution of species on mere sayso, but require real
> genetic and fossil evidence.
True scientists readily reject theory when it fails to predict
observations.
For this reason, Darwin's Theory of Evolution (TOE) has been rejected
by true scientists.
The observation that there are no transitional fossils flies in the
face of prediction's based on Darwin's TOE and so we reject the theory.
This comes as no surprise to discerning folks who have recognized from
the outset that Darwin's TOE was built on the sands of false
assumptions about the existence of Nature in Her randomness
(capitalization by Charles Darwin as written in his book, "The Origin
of Species.").
> >> >> >> >> But as a refutation of
> >> >> >> >> evolution it rather falls flat, since it essentially says
> >> >> >> >> only that God has sovereignty over such matters, not that
> >> >> >> >> they don't exist.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> > The Theory of Evolution (TOE) as proposed by Charles Darwin
> >> >> >> > in his book "The Origin of Species" is built on the false
> >> >> >> > assumption that Nature (Darwin's capitalization) is the
> >> >> >> > Creator.
> >> >> >> > And, by invoking Nature, TOE is built on the sands of the
> >> >> >> > assumption that everything in our universe occurs by chance.
> >> >> >>
> >> >> >> No, it's built on the observation that nature keeps producing
> >> >> >> lots of new variation and that not all of it survives to
> >> >> >> produce more.
> >> >> >
> >> >> > No such thing as Nature, just as neither Moloch, nor Baal, nor
> >> >> > Zeus exist.
> >> >>
> >> >> Uh, false gods exist. They are not gods really, but they exist.
> >> >
> >> > That is not what I discern.
> >>
> >> Then your discernment is not very deep, since scripture actually
> >> tells us of these entities.
> >
> > ... along with other idols fashioned from wood, clay, gold, etc. Such
> > are the meaningless creations of man (Ecclesiastes).
>
> The worst false gods are created by the imaginations of men, not out of
> wood but out of raw emotions. And these fabrications can easily be
> inhabited by demonic entities.
These would include the false beliefs in chance, luck and fortune.
> > You still remind me of the same blind man who would feign vision by
> > evaluating the vision of the seeing.
>
> Your 'reminder demon' at work again, eh?
No such thing.
> YOU remind me of a pompous fool
> claiming to see things that nobody else can.
Rest assured that there are other folks with discerning hearts.
> >> >> Moloch, for example is the amplification of the same emotions that
> >> >> make us jump out of the way of moving vehicles. But because we
> >> >> keep chewing on the fruit of a certain tree, we tend to imagine
> >> >> all sorts of evils, including a great many that have no reality
> >> >> whatever. Then some of us decide that it is good politics to
> >> >> sacrifice others to these false gods.
> >> >
> >> > It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ.
> >>
> >> Yes, but is that a walk or just a talk.
>
> > You still also remind me of Simon Peter, this time looking back at
> > John and asking Jesus' what HIS plans were for his fellow disciple.
>
> What are YOUR plans?
To continue walking with Christ.
> Why are you here seeking disciples of your own?
I am not.
The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform. Please consider
yourself now informed.
> >> I'm in no position to judge you
> >> here but I notice a quick tendency on your part to judge others...
> >
> > Recognizing sin is not judging the sinner even though many do
> > unconsciously and automatically judge what they observe.
>
> Oh, so now I'm a sinner--interesting.
We all are sinners.
> I knew that, but you say you were
> JUDGING my sins.
No, I have neither said nor written that I were judging you.
Indeed, it remains my choice to refrain from judging either you or
others.
> To do that properly you'd have to know what sins they
> were.
Without omniscience, there is no proper way of judging anyone. And so
it remains my choice to refrain from judging others per the helpful and
kind suggestion of LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 7).
> >> >> >> "Chance" is just a term we use to describe events whose causes
> >> >> >> are too complex usually for us to predict them in advance. The
> >> >> >> only REAL chance events are quantum level events, such as the
> >> >> >> exact moment a particular uranium atom decides to spit out a
> >> >> >> helium nucleus.
> >> >>
> >> >> > According to Proverbs 16:33, nothing happens by chance...
> >> >>
> >> >> I'm inclined to agree with this, though some findings in quantum
> >> >> mechanics may actually mean that it is wrong on the very smallest
> >> >> levels of existence.
> >> >
> >> > Quantum mechanics remains a theory.
> >>
> >> True, but the experiments and observations that support it are not
> >> theories, they are actual experiments and observations. And some of
> >> those indicate that, at the very smallest level, the universe may
> >> well have random elements. I'm not saying that they remain random at
> >> a transcendent level. To God nothing is random. But to every
> >> ability we even CAN possess to measure them with, some of these
> >> events are random.
> >
> > It remains my choice to side with GOD and HIS Word here (Proverbs
> > 16:33).
>
> Yes, but the non-randomness of these events to GOD's sight is not
> relevant to US, since we cannot predict their outcome.
There is no need to predict what we can not change.
> [snip]
>
> >> A wise man wrote that we should never STOP praying. That's actually
> >> quite a difficult project, but it's a worthwhile one.
> >
> > It is wiser to walk with Christ, seeking out HIS infinite will, and
> > surrendering to HIS infinite will.
>
> Hmmm, so the apostle was wrong and the scripture he wrote in error?
The apostle wrote about his own personal walk with Christ. Would
suggest you let GOD judge what is right and what is wrong for the
apostle and for you.
> Interesting....
It is.
> [snip]
>
> >> > The LORD's purpose for me here remains to inform.
> >> >
> >> > HE continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
> >>
> >> Well, we can test that theory a bit....but you'd probably rather not.
> >
> > Surfing the link below my name might enlighten you.
>
> Your links seem to point to other messages you have written.
The LORD continues to guide me in everything I say, do, and write.
Moreover, HIS presence is clearly evident within what is archived in
Google.
> > Still praying for you, dear Dave.
> >
> > Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> And I will pray for you, too:
Many thanks and praises to GOD for your prayers.
> Dominus vobiscum.
Et tu.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
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