For Snow - and the group

[iqn...@noemail.com]

COMPASSION is the PASSION of "Jesus the Messiah", who put to death
the penalty of the law, so that we might have eternal life, for those that
accept and believe that Jesus is the Way, the Truth and the Life, for their
salvation to eternal Life.

THAT is COMPASSION in its fullest meaning.

We preach Salvation through Jesus the Messiah, as "the Way".

You preach humanism, as "the way", with extra intent.

You expose yourself by your own words...


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Linda Lee wote:
> I believe Christ when he said he was the Messiah; you don't.

Snow wrote:
> Who cares? Why do you worry about what other people believe? Can't
> you just respect that in a world full of 7 billion human beings,
> people are going to disagree on religious topics? Come back to Earth
> and worry only about Linda. Focus on helping people instead of show
> the way... Instead of cursing the darkness, let your light shine.
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Your words...

Snow wrote:
> Focus on helping people instead of show the way.


That doesn't work in the long run for ones soul.
No thank-you, I don't need That kind of help.


---


On the other hand of the spectrum...

I always learn something from thoughts of other people,
and would be remiss to disregard All that you have said.

And with that, I have done some soul searching from within,
and found a few problems, to wit:

If I have offended anyone outside of the well-being for
your soul, then I ask for your forgiveness. My intentions
are to defend the truth. And, sometimes I get carried away
doing that, without realizing that someone might get offended
at my directness. I don't like beating around the bush.

There are also times, when I might have a tendency to "fish"
for a response, in order to find what a persons mindset is.
This could sometimes be looked on as judging someone, but
my intention is not to judge, but to bring out to light,
whatever an issue is, and possibly find a solution.

So with these things, or anything I might have missed --
if I have said something to offend you, then I apologize.

SNOW, humanism won't save your soul.
Only Jesus the Messiah can do that.

And you know what I mean - without playing the word games
that you are so fond of.

---

May God, "the Creator of Heaven and Earth", bless you all.

You too, MC.

[Snow]

On May 19, 3:07 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:

Thank you for sharing your own good opinion with me. I have no
problem telling people what I believe... don't think it is your
position to tell others what I believe unless you are my follower.
Take care and be blessed. We do not have to agree.

[iqn...@noemail.com]

On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:43:04 +0000
Message-ID: <218d76fa-371a-46a3...@oy6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>

Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> Thank you for sharing your own good opinion with me. I have no
> problem telling people what I believe... don't think it is your
> position to tell others what I believe unless you are my follower.
> Take care and be blessed. We do not have to agree.

If you have no problem telling what you believe,
then can you answer these questions, to the
best of your beliefs?

1) What does it mean to be your follower?
2) Why does humankind need Salvation?
3) How does one obtain Salvation?
4) Who was, or is, Jesus Christ?

[Snow]

On May 22, 4:39 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Sun, 19 May 2013 05:43:04 +0000
> Message-ID: <218d76fa-371a-46a3...@oy6g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
>

> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> > Thank you for sharing your own good opinion with me.  I have no
> > problem telling people what I believe... don't think it is your
> > position to tell others what I believe unless you are my follower.
> > Take care and be blessed.  We do not have to agree.
>
> If you have no problem telling what you believe,
> then can you answer these questions, to the
> best of your beliefs?
>
> 1) What does it mean to be your follower?

Since I don't want followers, it would mean somebody that has actually
read my volumes of opinions already expressed and has chosen to walk
with me as a brother in this short life.

> 2) Why does humankind need Salvation?

I don't know. What I know is that we need to improve as people and
treat each other better.

> 3) How does one obtain Salvation?

You tell me since you seem to think they need it but keep in mind, I
don't have to agree. What we really need to do is to agree to stop
murdering people that don't agree with us. Instead of being focused
on your silly theology, let's start talking about real world problems
and actually doing something about them.

> 4) Who was, or is, Jesus Christ?

A fictional character created by the Roman Catholic Church based on
some of the life teachings of a Jewish rabbi named Yeshua, Bar Yeseth
of Nazareth who taught gentiles about his deity El YHWH and his
commands as a way of life.

Hope that helps you. Take care and be blessed.

[iqn...@noemail.com]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:49:22 +0000
Message-ID: <a10da9ad-f355-481b...@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

<snip previous headers>

Snow wrote:
> Thank you for sharing your own good opinion with me. =A0I have no

> problem telling people what I believe... don't think it is your
> position to tell others what I believe unless you are my follower.

> Take care and be blessed. =A0We do not have to agree.

IQN wrote:
> If you have no problem telling what you believe,
> then can you answer these questions, to the
> best of your beliefs?

> 1) What does it mean to be your follower?

Snow wrote:
> Since I don't want followers, it would mean somebody that has actually
> read my volumes of opinions already expressed and has chosen to walk
> with me as a brother in this short life.

> 2) Why does humankind need Salvation?

Snow wrote:
> I don't know. What I know is that we need to improve as people and
> treat each other better.

> 3) How does one obtain Salvation?

Snow wrote:
> You tell me since you seem to think they need it but keep in mind, I
> don't have to agree. What we really need to do is to agree to stop
> murdering people that don't agree with us. Instead of being focused
> on your silly theology, let's start talking about real world problems
> and actually doing something about them.

> 4) Who was, or is, Jesus Christ?

Snow wrote:
> A fictional character created by the Roman Catholic Church based on
> some of the life teachings of a Jewish rabbi named Yeshua, Bar Yeseth
> of Nazareth who taught gentiles about his deity El YHWH and his
> commands as a way of life.

-----

Thanks for your reply.

One more question please.

5) Do you believe in the Creator of Heaven and Earth?

[Snow]

On May 22, 6:27 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 07:49:22 +0000
> Message-ID: <a10da9ad-f355-481b...@ks18g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
>

Absolutely and I also happen to believe the teachings of Yeshua but I
interpret them very different from most people and as a result enjoy
speaking of these differences in terms of my opinion and yours. I
also have issue with many of the canonized authors but have formed my
ideas on the ones that I do agree with and tend to take a more
allegory interpretation as apposed to the more literal understanding.

I like the creator and agree with the concept of a light yoke that we
are to accept of Yeshua and the commands of his Elohim YHWH El
Shaddia.

I tend not to let ego get in the way of being kind to my fellow man.
This is my belief and it doesn't matter to me what other people
believe when I follow the teachings of Yeshua.. Like the good
Samaritan, it matters what I do, not what we believe. These teachings
are meant to make me a better human being.

I hope this helps you. Take care and be blessed.

[iqn...@noemail.com]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:34:35 +0000
Message-ID: <ada6511e-f9f0-4b85...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

<snip>

Thanks for your time responding to these questions.

And now a follow-up question please:

I assume you are a learned individual and would know what the
Christian understanding for Salvation is and why it is needed,
from their point of view?

[Snow]

On May 22, 8:20 pm, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:34:35 +0000
> Message-ID: <ada6511e-f9f0-4b85...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
>

> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for your time responding to these questions.
>
> And now a follow-up question please:
>
> I assume you are a learned individual and would know what the
> Christian understanding for Salvation is and why it is needed,
> from their point of view?

Of course but to me, they might as well have aborted "Jesus" if all he
was is a human sacrifice to atone for sins... something clearly
against the teachings of the deity in the Torah. In my opinion, as
you see people go around speaking of different covenants, you end up
hearing a lot of lawerly sounding speeches forgetting a basic
principle... That even in the time of Kane, YHWH forgave sins. Most
Christians fail to understand that the law is compassion and that
"sin" is what destroys the person... not the deity.

Psa 40:6 Slaughtering and meal offering **You did not desire**; You
have opened my ears;
Burnt offering and sin offering You did not ask for.

Yeshua actually quotes this passage.

Hos 6:6 “For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the
knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.

They were to learn from him and they have rejected his knowledge to
follow after other teachings.

[iqn...@noemail.com]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 10:38:44 +0000
Message-ID: <93a69406-53d1-412a...@n5g2000pbg.googlegroups.com>
Snow <snowp...@eck.net.au> wrote:

<snip>

IQN wrote:
> Thanks for your time responding to these questions.
>
> And now a follow-up question please:
>
> I assume you are a learned individual and would know what the
> Christian understanding for Salvation is and why it is needed,
> from their point of view?

Snow wrote:
> Of course but to me, they might as well have aborted "Jesus" if all he
> was is a human sacrifice to atone for sins... something clearly
> against the teachings of the deity in the Torah. In my opinion, as
> you see people go around speaking of different covenants, you end up
> hearing a lot of lawerly sounding speeches forgetting a basic
> principle... That even in the time of Kane, YHWH forgave sins. Most
> Christians fail to understand that the law is compassion and that
> "sin" is what destroys the person... not the deity.
>
> Psa 40:6 Slaughtering and meal offering **You did not desire**; You
> have opened my ears;
> Burnt offering and sin offering You did not ask for.
>
> Yeshua actually quotes this passage.
>
> Hos 6:6 For I delight in kindness and not slaughtering, and in the
> knowledge of Elohim more than burnt offerings.
>
> They were to learn from him and they have rejected his knowledge to
> follow after other teachings.

Okay, I'll give it a rest for now, while thinking
on some discussion questions to ask you.

Thanks for your time. Have a good day.

[Linda Lee]

On May 22, 6:20 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> On Wed, 22 May 2013 09:34:35 +0000
> Message-ID: <ada6511e-f9f0-4b85...@hc4g2000pbb.googlegroups.com>
>

> Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
>
> <snip>
>
> Thanks for your time responding to these questions.
>
> And now a follow-up question please:
>
> I assume you are a learned individual and would know what the
> Christian understanding for Salvation is and why it is needed,
> from their point of view?

I wonder why you would assume this skeptic who thinks humankind
doesn't need salvation to escape the wrath of God/YHWH and denies that
Christ was God incarnate as the only Saviour is "a learned
individual" - "learned" about what? He certainly is not "learned"
about the Scriptures or the nature of man. Is he learned because he
can type a few Hebrew words? Lol!

Some people just cannot fathom that God/YHWH and the Lamb/the Messiah
share one throne, ONE FACE, AND ONE NAME:

Rev 22:3 And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and
of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:
Rev 22:4 And they shall see his face; and his name shall be in their
foreheads.

By the way, the version of the Scriptures "Snow" prefers (The
Scriptures 1998) says the same thing in Rev. 22:3-4, but he is
confused because they chose to capitalize 'his' and him', yet The
Scriptures 1998 call the Messiah "Elohim" elsewhere (John 20:28) and
also capitalize pronouns referring to the Messiah (John 20:27-29):

[The Scriptures 1998]
Rev 22:3 And no longer shall there be any curse, and the throne of
Elohim and of the Lamb shall be in it, and His servants shall serve
Him.
Rev 22:4 And they shall see His face, and His Name shall be upon
their foreheads.

[The Scriptures 1998]
Joh 20:27 Then He said to T’oma, “Bring your finger here, and see My
hands. And bring your hand and put it into My side – and do not be
unbelieving, but believing.”
Joh 20:28 And T’oma answered and said to Him, “My Master and my
Elohim!”1 Footnote: 1See Heb. 1:8-9.
Joh 20:29 יהושע said to him, “T’oma, because you have seen Me, you
have believed. Blessed are those who have not seen and have believed.”

Snowjob is like all skeptics; he 'has a problem with the authors' of
the Bible; he thinks Christ is a "fictional character created by the
Roman Catholic Church"; he is blind and doesn't 'believe' in Hell and
that there will be a day of God's Judgment of all humankind.

Hab. 2:5 Yea also, because he transgresseth by wine, he is a proud
man, neither keepeth at home, who enlargeth his desire as hell, and is
as death, and cannot be satisfied, but gathereth unto him all nations,
and heapeth unto him all people:



God as the Saviour was long ago prophesied:

Zec 2:10 Sing and rejoice, O daughter of Zion: for, lo, I come, and I
will dwell in the midst of thee, saith the LORD.
Zec 2:11 And many nations shall be joined to the LORD in that day,
and shall be my people: and I will dwell in the midst of thee, and
thou shalt know that the LORD of hosts hath sent me unto thee.



Isa 52:6 Therefore my people shall know my name: therefore they shall
know in that day that I am he that doth speak: behold, it is I.
Isa 52:7 How beautiful upon the mountains are the feet of him that
bringeth good tidings, that publisheth peace; that bringeth good
tidings of good, that publisheth salvation; that saith unto Zion, Thy
God reigneth!
Isa 52:8 Thy watchmen shall lift up the voice; with the voice
together shall they sing: for they shall see eye to eye, when the LORD
shall bring again Zion.
Isa 52:9 Break forth into joy, sing together, ye waste places of
Jerusalem: for the LORD hath comforted his people, he hath redeemed
Jerusalem.
Isa 52:10 The LORD hath made bare his holy arm in the eyes of all the
nations; and all the ends of the earth shall see the salvation of our
God.

[Snow]

It's been nice talking to you. Human sacrifice was never the goal of
the Messiah.

Isa 1:11 “Of what use to Me are your many slaughterings?” declares
YHWH. “I have had enough of burnt offerings of rams and the fat of fed
beasts. I do not delight in the blood of bulls, or of lambs or goats."

When you realize that he had no desire for the blood of lambs,
Christian theology kind of falls away and makes no sense. To
understand the mission of the Messiah, one must have a better
understanding of the linage of his priest hood:

Gen 14:18 And Malkitseḏeq sovereign of Shalĕm brought out **bread and
wine**. Now he was the priest of the Most High Ěl.

He did not have to die to teach you this but it is lost on most
Christian:

Mat 26:28 “For this is My blood, that of the renewed covenant, which
is shed for many for the forgiveness of sins."

It is referred to in scriptures as the "blood of wine".

[Holier Than Thou]

So the Messiah 'shed wine' "for many for the forgiveness of
sins" (Matt. 26:28).

[Holier Than Thou]

On May 22, 8:10 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:

P.S. This nic's just for posting to you and "Abyss".

[Snow]

Something many of you miss:
Joh 6:55 For my flesh is meat indeed, and my blood is drink indeed.

Jer 25:15 For thus said Yahweh Elohim of Yisra’ĕl to me, “Take this
wine cup of wrath from My hand, and make all the nations, to whom I
send you, drink it.

Luk 22:20 Likewise the cup also, after supper, saying, “*This cup* is
the renewed covenant in My blood which is shed for you.

I don't see why its so hard to believe what he said.

Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a LAWGIVER from
between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering
of the people be.
Gen 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass colt unto the
choice vine; he washed his garments in WINE, and his clothes in the
*BLOOD of grapes:

[Holier Than Thou]

Obviously, it is you who can't comprehend it.

>
> Jer 25:15 For thus said Yahweh Elohim of Yisra’ĕl to me, “Take this
> wine cup of wrath from My hand, and make all the nations, to whom I
> send you, drink it.
>
> Luk 22:20 Likewise the cup also, after supper, saying, “*This cup* is
> the renewed covenant in My blood which is shed for you.
>
> I don't see why its so hard to believe what he said.
>
> Gen 49:10 The scepter shall not depart from Judah, nor a LAWGIVER from
> between his feet, until Shiloh come; and unto him shall the gathering
> of the people be.

Shiloh is a term for The Messiah, and when The Messiah came, the
people turned to him and the title of lawgiver and King of the kingdom
passed to Messiah. Why can't you believe that?

> Gen 49:11 Binding his foal unto the vine, and his ass colt unto the
> choice vine; he washed his garments in WINE, and his clothes in the
> *BLOOD of grapes:

Quit posting to me, you just posted to me last night = see
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/0e2c88ec909a28b5 and
when I replied today you said I should know you aren't going to read
anything I have to say.

Can you NEVER stop being a hypocrite? If you don't want a reply to
your post, don't post to me.

Linda Lee

[Snow]

On May 22, 11:59 pm, Holier Than Thou <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

You mistook me for somebody that cares what you think.

[Holier Than Thou]

On May 22, 11:09 am, Snow <snowpheo...@eck.net.au> wrote:
> On May 22, 11:59 pm, Holier Than Thou <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:
>
> You mistook me for somebody that cares what you think.

As you do me when you post to me yet again; your opinions are
worthless because you are spiritually blind and antichrist.

And by the way, I definitely AM holier than THOU.

[Snow]

On May 23, 2:18 am, Holier Than Thou <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> > You mistook me for somebody that cares what you think.
>
> As you do me when you post to me yet again; your opinions are
> worthless because you are spiritually blind and antichrist.
>
> And by the way, I definitely AM holier than THOU.

I'm certain your right. Bye

[Snow]

On May 22, 11:59 pm, Holier Than Thou <lindagirl...@juno.com> wrote:

> Quit posting to me, you just posted to me last night = seehttp://groups.google.com/group/alt.messianic/msg/0e2c88ec909a28b5 and

> when I replied today you said I should know you aren't going to read
> anything I have to say.
>
> Can you NEVER stop being a hypocrite?  If you don't want a reply to
> your post, don't post to me.
>
> Linda Lee

http://groups.google.com/group/aus.religion.christian/msg/8d42996ff87c4415

You are the one who said "Reading your hypocrisy and insincerity is
too annoying. You're going back on ignore."

You do a great job of ignoring me, make up your mind. One post sets
you off and your right back to name calling. You really can't help
yourself can you? You go around and you accuse every person that
speaks to you about anything. You don't know how to keep your own
word.

Your the girl who use to go around and say that everybody that
followed Paul, followed Satan. You called me the antichrist because
I dared to quote him. You really are all over the place with your
opinions... anything to slander other people.

Instead of being right Linda.. be kind.

[iqn...@noemail.com]

On Wed, 22 May 2013 11:51:52 +0000
Message-ID: <3a9cf47f-6d42-4f6e...@h13g2000yqe.googlegroups.com>
Linda Lee <lindag...@juno.com> wrote:

<snip previous headers>

IQN replied to Snow:

> Thanks for your time responding to these questions.
>
> And now a follow-up question please:
>
> I assume you are a learned individual and would know what the
> Christian understanding for Salvation is and why it is needed,
> from their point of view?

Linda Lee wrote:
> I wonder why you would assume this skeptic who thinks humankind
> doesn't need salvation to escape the wrath of God/YHWH and denies that
> Christ was God incarnate as the only Saviour is "a learned
> individual" - "learned" about what? He certainly is not "learned"
> about the Scriptures or the nature of man. Is he learned because he
> can type a few Hebrew words? Lol!

Linda... do you think only Christians are learned?

The only difference is understanding that which was learned.
Some have this understanding -- others have another.

None of us are 'perfect' in our understanding -- hence the
various beliefs.

Some have minor differences -- others are very different.

You and I differ on our beliefs, yet I don't make any issue of it,
simply because I believe it's not detrimental to ones soul. If it
was though, I would be saying something, most times. There
are times when I won't. ie: when a topic is cross-posted to
non-Christian groups. Never did make sense to me why
people do that. But, I understand the intent, mind you.
Otherwise, it wouldn't be happening.

For those that are not Christian, and believe a different way,
it is another matter.

Do Christian's consider non-Christian's completely lost?

Rememeber that if you, by some chance were non-Christian,
you would be lost also.

It's a rude awakening to look in reverse --
even for a few seconds.

[Snow]

On May 23, 11:27 am, iqn...@noemail.com wrote:
> Do Christian's consider non-Christian's completely lost?
>
> Rememeber that if you, by some chance were non-Christian,
> you would be lost also.
>
> It's a rude awakening to look in reverse --
> even for a few seconds.

I think you touched at the very core of why compassion is the law. It
goes along the same line that I said to my Catholic friend Duke when I
said, "Knowledge brings us each down our individual path but love
brings us all to the same destination."

Thanks for sharing Iqn and I hope you have a brilliant day.

[Up from the Abyss]

"Holier Than Thou" wrote:
> Snow wrote:
> >
<snip>

>
> P.S. This nic's just for posting to you and "Abyss".

I am honored.