Martial Arts
Br@dley
out there who would like to share experiences.
--
regards,
Bradley
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~ vera ~
> I was just wondering if there are any Christian players/practitioners
> out there who would like to share experiences.
Not really.
~ vera ~
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Willing, but what's your purpose?
Br@dley
one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
> Willing, but what's your purpose?
As I stated, to share experiences. There's no hidden agenda. See the
link below. I started a web site sharing information I've come across on
my journey.
stone
Br@dley wrote in message
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Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of wolves: be
ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
You might say practicing martial arts routines against imaginary opponents,
is being wise like a serpent and harmless like a dove.
Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse, let him
take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let him sell
his garment, and buy one.
They took two swords to the garden of Gethsamane.
Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And he said
unto them, It is enough.
When Peter used the sword to attack, the high priest's servent, Jesus told
him to put the sword away. Attacking with the sword was wrong.
Jesus wanted the apostles to escape. Perhaps the swords were for a warning
to prevent the apostles from being arrested also.
Preventive self defense: Attackers are looking for helpless victims. If you
show the attacker that you are not helpless, he probably won't attack you in
the first place.
The apostles showing that they had swords, could probably prevent them from
being arrested along with Jesus.
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Br@dley
stone <anti...@ineedhits-mail.com> said:
> Br@dley wrote in message
> <7yice.32672$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
>> In news:1114747599.99b2fa216111684e211cc4c4cdbcb479@teranews,
>> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
>>>> experiences.
>>
>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>>
>> As I stated, to share experiences. There's no hidden agenda. See the
>> link below. I started a web site sharing information I've come
>> across on my journey.
> Matthew 10:16 Behold, I send you forth as sheep in the midst of
> wolves: be
> ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
>
> You might say practicing martial arts routines against imaginary
> opponents,
> is being wise like a serpent and harmless like a dove.
Perhaps...
> Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
> let him
> take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let
> him sell
> his garment, and buy one.
>
> They took two swords to the garden of Gethsamane.
> Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And
> he said
> unto them, It is enough.
>
> When Peter used the sword to attack, the high priest's servent, Jesus
> told
> him to put the sword away. Attacking with the sword was wrong.
> Jesus wanted the apostles to escape. Perhaps the swords were for a
> warning
> to prevent the apostles from being arrested also.
Why was the use of swords in that context wrong? I'm not so sure we can
use this scripture to prove much except the fact that obviously they
actually had swords for protection which is interesting.
> Preventive self defense: Attackers are looking for helpless victims.
> If you
> show the attacker that you are not helpless, he probably won't attack
> you in
> the first place.
> The apostles showing that they had swords, could probably prevent
> them from
> being arrested along with Jesus.
Perhaps. I do agree with you comment though that being aware/alert can
prevent attacks.
~ vera ~
(Sorry, I double clicked, and the post appeared without my comment)
The purpose is to lead people away from God.
God bless you,
~ vera ~
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~ vera ~
AMEN!
>
>
>
>
>
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Br@dley
~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
> one.with.Christ wrote:
>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
Why do you spout so much hate?
Jani
"~ vera ~" <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
news:3deorvF...@individual.net...
> one.with.Christ wrote:
>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
>>> --
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Bradley
>>>
>>> A Christian Response
>>> www.pastornet.net.au/response
>>>
>>
>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>
> (Sorry, I double clicked, and the post appeared without my comment)
>
> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
Um .... HOW?
Jani
Jani
> In news:3deorvF...@individual.net,
> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>> one.with.Christ wrote:
>>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
>
>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>
>> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
>
> Why do you spout so much hate?
On autopilot, apparently. See my other post.
Jani
Jani
Vera, you just posted that Bradley asking about MA was "leading people away
from God". Stone posts about MA principles as evinced *in the scriptures*
and you say Amen?
Bit of consistency would be nice.
Jani
~ vera ~
You have no clue, and you are even proud of it.
> Jani
~ vera ~
> In news:3deorvF...@individual.net,
> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>> one.with.Christ wrote:
>>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
>>>> experiences.
>
>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>
>> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
>
> Why do you spout so much hate?
You mix truth up with hate.
What have martial arts got to do with Christian life?
You wanna spread Bhuddism a little, right? Tolerating all there is, no
matter if you have to praise other gods for it.
David Roman
Br@dley wrote:
> I was just wondering if there are any Christian players/practitioners
> out there who would like to share experiences.
> --
> regards,
>
> Bradley
I used to do Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on a regular basis. I still
want to get back into it but it's hard to find the time with two young
children. Some will argue that Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu would be
better called "Martial Sports" instead of "Martial Arts". My Judo
school was very informal, which is how I like it.
I did Wado-Ryu karate 10 years ago and while I was good from a
competition standpoint in hindsight I don't think it was very
effective.
David Roman
~ vera ~ wrote:
> one.with.Christ wrote:
> > "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
> > news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> >> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
> >> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
experiences.
> >> --
> >> regards,
> >>
> >> Bradley
> >>
> >> A Christian Response
> >> www.pastornet.net.au/response
> >>
> >
> > Willing, but what's your purpose?
>
> (Sorry, I double clicked, and the post appeared without my comment)
>
> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
Nonsense.
Once again you display your ignorance by spouting off opinions without
any facts. Your participation in this newsgroup is more likely going
to lead people away from God than a martial art.
one.with.Christ
Interesting site. I'll just say this as a martial arts instructor and a
Christian. There is no reason the two can not co-exist as long as you study the
physical discipline of the arts and not the "spiritual" side of the discipline.
The law of self preservation found in Genesis was never revoked and there is no
reason to not defend yourself against a senseless attack. As a matter of fact
you are supposed to defend family, so I think it's best to be able to do so.
One more thing, this is a personal choice and no matter what one chooses that
choice should be respected by all.
(big smile) Just as an aside, I've got no use for Taekwondo.
one.with.Christ
Interesting. I use the martial arts as a witnessing arena. I use my study and
teaching of the arts to lead others to God, not away. So why your comment?
David Roman
Vera is ignorant on the subject.
What martial art are you involved with? I have experience with Judo
and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
sensi4sight
I find it to be very interesting and valuable as far as the mental
discipline goes.
I remember the movie "Karate Kid," where
Mr. Miaugi (?)was teaching the value of keeping the mind focused on the
action.
Wax on, wax off, would be a valuable excercise as a tool for us to learn to
stay focused on what we're doing.
I think Martial arts would be fun but not necessarily to use as a weapon but
to help us increase the power of mental discipline.
Love,
sensi
sensi4sight
>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
>>> --
>>> regards,
>>>
>>> Bradley
>>>
>>> A Christian Response
>>> www.pastornet.net.au/response
>>>
>>
>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>
> (Sorry, I double clicked, and the post appeared without my comment)
>
> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
>
sensi:
HUH? Purpose? Can you explain this purpose a little more clearer?
~ vera ~
That is good to hear that you use it for that. Interesting. So you simply
learned it for that?
~ vera ~
Hiw will you know? My son ince was in a TaekWonDo group years ago.
> What martial art are you involved with? I have experience with Judo
> and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu.
And of course only to witness for Jesus.
~ vera ~
I hope they will run away from some people around here.
Br@dley
~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
> Br@dley wrote:
>> In news:3deorvF...@individual.net,
>> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>>> one.with.Christ wrote:
>>>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
>>>>> experiences.
>>
>>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>>
>>> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
>>
>> Why do you spout so much hate?
>
> You mix truth up with hate.
Like to provide some substance for this ludicrous attack Vera?
> What have martial arts got to do with Christian life?
Some Christians practice MA, so therefore it has something to do with
their Christian life.
> You wanna spread Bhuddism a little, right? Tolerating all there is, no
> matter if you have to praise other gods for it.
You haven't got a clue Vera. Once again you sprout hate and lies based
on your false perceptions without an once of substance. Why do you
continue to attack people out of ignorance?
Br@dley
David Roman <davidroman2...@yahoo.com> said:
> Br@dley wrote:
>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian players/practitioners
>
>> out there who would like to share experiences.
>> --
>> regards,
>>
>> Bradley
> I used to do Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu on a regular basis. I still
> want to get back into it but it's hard to find the time with two young
> children.
I figured I'd get back into it while there was still time :)
> Some will argue that Judo and Brazilian Jiu Jitsu would be
> better called "Martial Sports" instead of "Martial Arts". My Judo
> school was very informal, which is how I like it.
That is the same with the TKD club I belong to... I like it that way
too.
> I did Wado-Ryu karate 10 years ago and while I was good from a
> competition standpoint in hindsight I don't think it was very
> effective.
Depends why you are doing it and what you want to get out of it. I
simply enjoy the training.
Br@dley
I think I can agree with all that.
> (big smile) Just as an aside, I've got no use for Taekwondo.
One of _those_ people eh? :P
Br@dley
sensi4sight <sensi...@yahoo.com> said:
> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share experiences.
>> sensi:
> I find it to be very interesting and valuable as far as the mental
> discipline goes.
> I remember the movie "Karate Kid," where
> Mr. Miaugi (?)was teaching the value of keeping the mind focused on
> the action.
> Wax on, wax off, would be a valuable excercise as a tool for us to
> learn to stay focused on what we're doing.
> I think Martial arts would be fun but not necessarily to use as a
> weapon but to help us increase the power of mental discipline.
Those movies were hilariuos. He learnt one move a movie :)
one.with.Christ
Yep ;-)
one.with.Christ
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The one I teach the most and have the most experience with is a style of kung
fu. It isn't the most common ones and is Southern in nature. My sifu was from
China and a long line of teachers of the art. I started my studies in Judo,
learned how to roll out of just about anything. Comes in real handy at times.
Bless my mother who started me when I was just 8 in tumbling class. I have a
2nd degree black in Kenpo and have mastered a Japanese style. Both taught in
the traditional manner. Enough about me I could go on for a while.....
You?
one.with.Christ
and after much study and prayer I came to a way to use the arts to witness to
others. I use what God gave me to lead others toward him, which I believe is
what Paul talked about, in part, in his first letter to the church at Corinth.
God bless you also
Br@dley
one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
> news:2TAce.33716$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> In news:1114803838.b79db5d31ff48815590af0f735f9ec04@teranews,
>> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
<>
>>> (big smile) Just as an aside, I've got no use for Taekwondo.
>> One of _those_ people eh? :P
> Yep ;-)
What is your MA background?
Do you have a formal Christian MA ministry?
Br@dley
one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
> "~ vera ~" <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
> news:3dfprrF...@individual.net...
>> one.with.Christ wrote:
>>> "~ vera ~" <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
>>> news:3deorvF...@individual.net...
>>>> one.with.Christ wrote:
<>
>>>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>>>>
>>>> (Sorry, I double clicked, and the post appeared without my comment)
>>>>
>>>> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
<>
>>> Interesting. I use the martial arts as a witnessing arena. I use
>>> my study and teaching of the arts to lead others to God, not away.
>>> So why your comment?
>> That is good to hear that you use it for that. Interesting.
So if it is good then why are you attacking me because I want to discuss
the issue???
>> So you simply learned it for that?
> No, I wasn't a Christian when I started my studies. That came at a
> later time and after much study and prayer I came to a way to use the
> arts to witness to others. I use what God gave me to lead others
> toward him, which I believe is what Paul talked about, in part, in
> his first letter to the church at Corinth.
I asked in another post if you have a formal MA ministry?
Jani
I'm not the one totally contradicting myself in the space of two posts ;)
Jani
~ vera ~
Yes, amen - so just go on with it. Your motives are good. That's what is
important.
> God bless you also
Thanks, and have a great weekend,
~ vera ~
> In news:3df7q6F...@individual.net,
> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>> Br@dley wrote:
>>> In news:3deorvF...@individual.net,
>>> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>>>> one.with.Christ wrote:
>>>>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>>>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
>>>>>> experiences.
>>>
>>>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>>>
>>>> The purpose is to lead people away from God.
>>>
>>> Why do you spout so much hate?
>>
>> You mix truth up with hate.
>
> Like to provide some substance for this ludicrous attack Vera?
>
>> What have martial arts got to do with Christian life?
>
> Some Christians practice MA, so therefore it has something to do with
> their Christian life.
>
>> You wanna spread Bhuddism a little, right? Tolerating all there is,
>> no matter if you have to praise other gods for it.
>
> You haven't got a clue Vera.
But you brought this topic up, and I know what your topics are about -
surely not about Jesus.
If you want to talk about martial arts, go into a sports group. You are
off-topic here.
> Once again you sprout hate and lies based
> on your false perceptions without an once of substance. Why do you
> continue to attack people out of ignorance?
You mean like you do?
Visscher
is in line with faith. See the armour of God that is regarded as Martial
Arts as well.
Just do it, go to the course and do not provoke discussions among fellow
christians.
Vera, & Albert
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~ vera ~
Please notice that this poster is trying to imitate me to harm me. The
original Vera (me) will always sign like below, so please do not mix us up.
I am not Albert Visscher.
God bless you,
~ vera ~
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Visscher wrote:
> Stupid subject nothing to do with christianity. Just do your martial
> arts it is in line with faith. See the armour of God that is
> regarded as Martial Arts as well.
>
> Just do it, go to the course and do not provoke discussions among
> fellow christians.
>
> Vera, & Albert
>
Visscher
long period of time. She did that probably to harm me and my group christian
evangelical life.
How many people did she harm before?
After I had started that group within a day she started her own google beta
group. She admitted litaraly that she had commited forgery in an e-mail
directed to me and archived by google.
I will always sign my e-mail with Vera1 as a sign of authenticy. Feel free
to ask me any qeustions.
Be blessed in the name of The Lord,
Vera1
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Br@dley
Yep, you don't have a clue.
> If you want to talk about martial arts, go into a sports group. You
> are off-topic here.
You are just arguing for the sake of it and trying to be a controller
again.
>> Once again you sprout hate and lies based
>> on your false perceptions without an once of substance. Why do you
>> continue to attack people out of ignorance?
> You mean like you do?
Where have I attacked someone out of ignorance Vera? Hwere have I sworn
or being hateful?
Mark T
> Yep, you don't have a clue.
Maybe if you changed the topic to Marital Arts there would be more takers.
Fundamentalists who are offended could discuss Martial Warts.
~ vera ~
You have been stalking after me hatefully for months - surely not to
encourage me in spreading the Good News.
Br@dley
>> Where have I attacked someone out of ignorance Vera? Hwere have I
>> sworn or being hateful?
> You have been stalking after me hatefully for months -
I've been responding to your attacks on me and others.
> surely not to
> encourage me in spreading the Good News.
You haven't been spreading the Good News... but attacking me and others.
I'm not going to ever encourage that.
Are you kidding?
It is you who has jumped onto this thread that I started, not to
contribute anything, but to just try and attack me.
Is that how you "encourage me in spreading the Good News" ????
Stop being such a hypocrite!
stone
Br@dley wrote in message ...
>In news:4271c943$1...@news1.uncensored-news.com,
>stone <anti...@ineedhits-mail.com> said:
>> Br@dley wrote in message
>> <7yice.32672$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au>...
>>> In news:1114747599.99b2fa216111684e211cc4c4cdbcb479@teranews,
>>> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>>>> news:%Oece.32469$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>>>> I was just wondering if there are any Christian
>>>>> players/practitioners out there who would like to share
>>>>> experiences.
>>>
>>>> Willing, but what's your purpose?
>>>
>>> link below. I started a web site sharing information I've come
>>> across on my journey.
>
>> wolves: be
>> ye therefore wise as serpents, and harmless as doves.
>>
>> You might say practicing martial arts routines against imaginary
>> opponents,
>> is being wise like a serpent and harmless like a dove.
>
>
>> Luke 22:36 Then said he unto them, But now, he that hath a purse,
>> let him
>> take [it], and likewise [his] scrip: and he that hath no sword, let
>> him sell
>> his garment, and buy one.
>>
>> They took two swords to the garden of Gethsamane.
>> Luke 22:38 And they said, Lord, behold, here [are] two swords. And
>> he said
>> unto them, It is enough.
>>
>> When Peter used the sword to attack, the high priest's servent, Jesus
>> told
>> him to put the sword away. Attacking with the sword was wrong.
>> Jesus wanted the apostles to escape. Perhaps the swords were for a
>> warning
>> to prevent the apostles from being arrested also.
>
>use this scripture to prove much except the fact that obviously they
>actually had swords for protection which is interesting.
>
>> Preventive self defense: Attackers are looking for helpless victims.
>> If you
>> show the attacker that you are not helpless, he probably won't attack
>> you in
>> the first place.
>> The apostles showing that they had swords, could probably prevent
>> them from
>> being arrested along with Jesus.
>
>
>prevent attacks.
Romans 12:18 If it be possible, as much as lieth in you, live peaceably
with all men.
Romans 12:19 Dearly beloved, avenge not yourselves, but [rather] give
place unto wrath: for it is written, Vengeance [is] mine; I will repay,
saith the Lord.
Romans 12:20 Therefore if thine enemy hunger, feed him; if he thirst, give
him drink: for in so doing thou shalt heap coals of fire on his head.
Romans 12:21 Be not overcome of evil, but overcome evil with good.
Taking vengeance seems to be planning to get back at someone, after they do
you wrong.
Self defence, does not seem to be the same thing, since that happens quickly
without time spent in planning to get back at someone.
Those verses in Romans seem to show that if someone has done you wrong, and
you avenge yourself, you might be interfering with God taking wrath against
the person. But if you are nice to that person and feed him and give him
drink, after he has wronged you, then it verse 12:20 seems to indicate it
will increase God's punishment on that person that wronged you.
2 Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to
recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
John 2:15 And when he had made a scourge of small cords, he drove them all
out of the temple, and the sheep, and the oxen; and poured out the changers'
money, and overthrew the tables;
Matthew 5:39 But I say unto you, That ye resist not evil: but whosoever
shall smite thee on thy right cheek, turn to him the other also.
The same Jesus, the Messiah, that said turn the other cheek, if someone hits
you in the face, is the one that made a whip and ran evil money changers
out of the temple. [He may not have actually hit any of them with it,
however.]
In Matthew 5:39, that smiting on the cheek seems like it might be a slap in
the face, or something not life threatening. An attack by a mugger would be
something life threatening.
Matthew 10:23 But when they persecute you in this city, flee ye into
another: for verily I say unto you, Ye shall not have gone over the cities
of Israel, till the Son of man be come.
Run away from persecution rather than taking vengeance.
2 Thessalonians 1:6 Seeing [it is] a righteous thing with God to
recompense tribulation to them that trouble you;
That verse there shows that you may ask God in prayer to bring punishment on
someone that is troubling you.
A gun could be used by a Christian to fire warning shots to scare an
attacker away.
There were protestant preachers in the American frontier that carried guns.
A gun can also protect you from wild animals.
When Jesus told his disciples to sell their garment and buy a sword, that
would seem to show how important that it is that Christians have weapons.
The modern day sword could be considered a gun. In Jesus' time the sword was
the main weapon of the day; now it is a gun. The word sword in the bible is
used figuratively of something that is used as a weapon, and it does not
need to mean literal sword.
Revelation 19:21 And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that
sat upon the horse, which [sword] proceeded out of his mouth: and all the
fowls were filled with their flesh.
I am a born again Christian and I could drop a grizzly with my 357 magnum,
if I had to.
I practice both martial arts (against imaginary opponents) and target
practice with pellet guns. Actually, I am a good shot with a rifle and a
pistol.
Wise like a serpent and harmless like a dove, does not mean just harmless
like a dove. There are Christians that are harmless like a dove, and neglect
to be wise like a serpent.
[Besides, I live in the most catholic city in the US, and post against the
catholic church and I am well aware that Jesuits will try to silence people
that speak against their church, as they have done in the past.]
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> In news:1114836622.5cf681130f1752b0538e18a5a20f426f@teranews,
> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>> news:2TAce.33716$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>>> In news:1114803838.b79db5d31ff48815590af0f735f9ec04@teranews,
>>> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>
> <>
>
>>>> (big smile) Just as an aside, I've got no use for Taekwondo.
>
>>> One of _those_ people eh? :P
>
>> Yep ;-)
>
> What is your MA background?
2nd black Chinese Kenpo; Black sash Jitsu ryu, 4th sash (which signifies having
created my own animal, thus my own style) in a sim lum gung fu. Having begun
with tumbling class at a Judo school at 8 and actually learning a little Judo
before moving on. Been at it over 30 years.
>
> Do you have a formal Christian MA ministry?
yes, I teach at my church - who are gracious enough to allow me to use a room in
the building.
one.with.Christ
Bradley - me or vera on the first question???
Second, replied.
Br@dley
one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
> news:rVFce.34066$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
>> In news:1114837227.68c02e089989c9ae207a9c8e10e0186e@teranews,
>> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>>> "~ vera ~" <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
>>> news:3dfprrF...@individual.net...
<>
>>>>> Interesting. I use the martial arts as a witnessing arena. I use
>>>>> my study and teaching of the arts to lead others to God, not
>>>>> away. So why your comment?
>>>> That is good to hear that you use it for that. Interesting.
>> So if it is good then why are you attacking me because I want to
>> discuss the issue???
<>
> Bradley - me or vera on the first question???
Vera.
> Second, replied.
Thanks:)
Br@dley
<>
>> What is your MA background?
> 2nd black Chinese Kenpo; Black sash Jitsu ryu, 4th sash (which
> signifies having created my own animal, thus my own style) in a sim
> lum gung fu. Having begun with tumbling class at a Judo school at 8
> and actually learning a little Judo before moving on. Been at it
> over 30 years.
So you know what youre talking about then ;)
>> Do you have a formal Christian MA ministry?
> yes, I teach at my church - who are gracious enough to allow me to
> use a room in the building.
How have you altered (if at all) the MA training to be more appropriate
and better reflect Christian ideals?
There are different trains of thought when using MA for a ministry....
eg.
(1) Do not alter the training and use the traditional methods
(2) Just remove any conflicting sprititualism/philosophy
(3) Apply Christian ideals to the training (eg. incorporate scripture
memory to grading syllabus).
(4) Create a new Christian style
Br@dley
stone <anti...@ineedhits-mail.com> said:
> Br@dley wrote in message ...
<>
Amen to verses regarding not taking revenge etc....
> A gun could be used by a Christian to fire warning shots to scare an
> attacker away.
> There were protestant preachers in the American frontier that carried
> guns.
> A gun can also protect you from wild animals.
>
> When Jesus told his disciples to sell their garment and buy a sword,
> that
> would seem to show how important that it is that Christians have
> weapons.
> The modern day sword could be considered a gun. In Jesus' time the
> sword was
> the main weapon of the day; now it is a gun. The word sword in the
> bible is
> used figuratively of something that is used as a weapon, and it does
> not
> need to mean literal sword.
Are you arguing that scripture gives precedence for believers to carry
weapons for self defense?
~ vera ~
<lack of knowledge - snipped>
Visscher
I called my self pastor because i am relally pastoring people I have never
claimed to be a pastor of a church.
But I do not mind if anyone would call my Albert or Vera1
I became interested in who you really are after the way you copy someone
elses idea's and forgery.
I have reported you know as well to the authorities let them sort this out!!
Thats why I do not sign anymore wit pastor Albert is that fair? What are you
so afraid of Vera?
I did not receive your real name yet. I am not a stalker you are stalking me
instead. Instead of having a contructive discussion you are misleading
everyone the way you are responding!! You feel so sorry for yourself read
this:
My posts are not fake.
Vera I did not imagine that you let yourself down by the way you are
reacting!!
I signed with Vera1 and not with Vera
Everybody is entitled to respond to my mail as long as they know I am not
Vera but Vera1
By the way we are the same in The Lord.!!
I will be away for a while so you can calm down Vera.
I will be back in a couple of weeks maybe sooner.
I have to concentrate on other web projects & searchmachines. So enjoy
yourself in christian cyberspace. In christian cyberspace anyone adapts
names they like. You are too serious and you have shown yourself and proved
yourself once again.
You have got it in your head. you think that everybody regards you high and
you are number one in these groups.
Well when anybody makes a research in the archives
go to google make a search on the name vera in one of these piticular groups
then you get an overall picture of who Vera really is.
As I said I never intended to be the Vera who Vera claims to be. I just
wanted to be another fictive Vera.
Snipped the forgery means she snipped her own forgery.
As many others I do not want to be associated with Vera but only with an
other fictive Vera, excisting in christian cyberspace. This Vera I
associate myself with, only exists in my fantasy. So Vera it is not you I
am refering to but to another Vera. To avoid confusion I adapted the name
Vera1 to your satisfaction.
My last e-maills refer to your forgery of others creativity and idea's.
I have let you know I will never share my plans with you any more.
Bless be The Lord,
In Christ,
Vera1
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"~ vera ~" <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote in message
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> bob young wrote:
>> ~ vera ~ wrote:
>>
>>> "Visscher" <viss...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
>>> news:d504mi$bb9$2...@nwrdmz02.dmz.ncs.ea.ibs-infra.bt.com...
>>>> I am not a forger someone told me that I am you so I just believed
>>>> it. I have great faith as you know.
>>>>
>>>> Just give me your real name to proof that you are not me
>>>
>>> I am the true Vera.
>>>
>>> You other two need to go and get professionell help....
>>
>> ......anyone posting miles of extracts from an old book written by
>> near primitives should be the one seeking professional help...
>>
>> ....ever looked closely at those verses, you know, with eyes open and
>> blinkers removed?
>>
>>
>> Genesis, 32:30
>> "And Jacob called the name of the place Peniel: for I have seen God
>> face to face, and my life is preserved."
>>
>> Gospel of John, 1:18
>> "No man hath seen God at any time."
>>
>>
>> Bob
>> Humanist Brit.
>> Hong Kong
>
> Bob, the post you answered to was a fake, not written by me.
>
> ~ vera ~
> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
> ~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
> ~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
> ~ http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper ~
> ~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
>
>> "... the Bible was a collection of books written at different times by
>> different men, a strange mixture of diverse human documents, and a
>> tissue of irreconcilable notions. Inspired? The Bible is not even
>> intelligent. It is not even good craftsmanship, but is full of
>> absurdities and contradictions." [E. Haldeman-Julius, "The Meaning Of
>> Atheism"]
>>
>>
>>> soon and stop the
>>> forgery to pretend you and I are identical!!!
>>>
>>> I love TimTams and apple stroodle and only fellowship with true
>>> Christians. There are also many false teachers around here
>>>
>>> The original Vera (me) will always sign like below, so please do
>>> not mix us up.
>>> I am not Albert Visscher or the other Vera.
>>>
>>> Pass me a pudding, please.
>>>
>>> PLONK
>>>
>>> God bless you,
>>>
>>> ~ vera ~
>>> ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>> ~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
>>> ~ http://www.acc
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"Matt" <Mattn...@alt-Christianlife.com> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 1 May 2005 15:55:20 +0200, "~ vera ~"
> <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> wrote:
>
>>Rowland Croucher wrote:
>>> "Feather Forestwalker" <fea...@NOSPAM.net> wrote in message
>>> news:EkYce.1914$BE3...@newsread2.news.pas.earthlink.net...
>>>> Br@dley wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> In news:3dipt5F...@individual.net,
>>>>> ~ vera ~ <ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de> said:
>>>>> <>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Why do you not give this paranoid person my bank account number and
>>>>>> other data of mine??
>>>>>>
>>>>>> How will YOU know who I am?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> You'd be surprised how much people know about you Vera.
>>>>
>>>> That's the understatement of the year. *laughing* Hey, I'm an open
>>>> book, read my pages, eh? *LOL @ myself*
>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>> Maybe I am Pope Benedict.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Keep out of my business, will ya.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Feather was trying to help defend you so lighten up!
>>>>
>>>> No worries, Bradley. I knew if I even *responded* to anything of
>>>> Visscher's (which I am sick and tired of looking at), Vera would
>>>> find a way to snipe at me yet again.
>>>>
>>>> Suffice it to say this:
>>>>
>>>> She will *never* have to read me in defense of her *again*.
>>
>>For Feather and all:
>>
>>It has not been long ago that she wrote that same sentence because I asked
>>her to stay out of my life.
>>
>>> Oh, I think you will... 'cos that's your nature, and God will prompt
>>> you again, and you know God reads everything here :-)
>>
>>I forbid Feather to pass on personal data about me, or gossip in a
>>different
>>form.
>>
>>I had to do so in 2003 already, which she regarded like being controlled
>>by
>>me. Now it is all openly written, and I am glad about that, for I have
>>proof
>>I have never controlled her here now.
>>
>>I have told her several times to stay out of my life and care about her
>>own
>>business, but she has simply disrespected me all the time.
>>
>>She is well aware of the danger she is bringing me in, and was very
>>careful
>>about her own data to remain anonymous when she was presented on my
>>website
>>in 2003.
>>
>>She has neither been a friend to me, nor a sister, but has never hesitated
>>to even bring me physically in danger and even thought she was a hero
>>doing
>>so. Mark Tindall threatened me in 2003 on Christmas, and yet she went on
>>"defending" me, although I had asked her again and again to stop that!
>>This
>>stalker Visscher threatened to call me in real life, and she gave him what
>>she thought was my real name, with no respect of bringing me and my family
>>in real physical danger. She is Judas Ischariot - selling brothers and
>>sisters to those of which she thinks she might get the most benefit from,
>>no
>>matter how dangerous they might turn out to be for others.
>>
>>I wonder if she thought the same if this all would concern herself and her
>>family - privately. Oh - she can love the enemy, as long as it is mine!!!!
>>
>>I have not done anything to this Visscher guy, but I was not fast enough
>>to
>>link to his groups. I had a special reason to try out the Google groups -
>>and it had NOTHING to do with him or his groups at all. Google does not
>>belong to him. Everybody can open up a group there, and Matt did so, too -
>>right after me like always (but I do not care). I will make use of the
>>Google groups when I think it might help people one day, and I will surely
>>not ask Mr. Visscher for his approval.
>
> Vera Please get a grip. Your e-mail address that is on every post is
> ver...@acc-growing-deeper.de Vera Six. No one said anything that
> can't be figured out by that e-mail address. You have written in many
> post you are from Germany. What nonsense you spout.
>>
>>I am glad that the self-called pastor Visscher does not post the Roman
>>Catholic nonsense in my Google group anymore, which I did not really
>>appreciate there, and I hope never to have to deal with this guy again. I
>>have informed the officials about him, they can track him if necessary, or
>>if something might happen to me or one of my family or should he try to
>>stalk after me.
>
> Go for it Vera do you know how many Matts are on the groups, or before
> that how many me. Can I go after them? Maybe they can go after me?
> Mellow out and try to be nice for a while maybe then these groups can
> go back to showing what Christians are about. Lately what they have
> shown isn't good.
>
> BTW you can forbid nothing. You don't have that power, you do have a
> slight power complex.
>
> Be well
>
> Matt
>>
>>Very sad to have to write this above. How evil can people be?
>
> Sadly for the past few weeks you have been showing us.
>>
>>
>>~ vera ~
>>~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
>>~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de ~
>>~ http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm ~
>>~ http://groups-beta.google.com/group/Growing-Deeper ~
>>~ http://www.e-sword.net ~
>>
>>
>>
>>
>
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>
>
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"Visscher" <viss...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Br@dley
>
>
> <lack of knowledge - snipped>
Lack of knowledge? ROTFL
one.with.Christ
> In news:1114921730.3ec6403354e50026c2a6ec60ea66956b@teranews,
> one.with.Christ <one.wit...@Christ.is.all.org> said:
>> "Br@dley" <n0m...@4u.com> wrote in message
>> news:LSFce.34063$5F3....@news-server.bigpond.net.au...
> <>
>
>>> What is your MA background?
>
>> 2nd black Chinese Kenpo; Black sash Jitsu ryu, 4th sash (which
>> signifies having created my own animal, thus my own style) in a sim
>> lum gung fu. Having begun with tumbling class at a Judo school at 8
>> and actually learning a little Judo before moving on. Been at it
>> over 30 years.
>
> So you know what youre talking about then ;)
I sure hope so. ;-)
>
>>> Do you have a formal Christian MA ministry?
>
>> yes, I teach at my church - who are gracious enough to allow me to
>> use a room in the building.
>
>
> How have you altered (if at all) the MA training to be more appropriate and
> better reflect Christian ideals?
>
> There are different trains of thought when using MA for a ministry....
>
> eg.
> (1) Do not alter the training and use the traditional methods
> (2) Just remove any conflicting sprititualism/philosophy
> (3) Apply Christian ideals to the training (eg. incorporate scripture memory
> to grading syllabus).
> (4) Create a new Christian style
Well, I take out the spiritualism, but teach traditionally the techniques. Some
of what is taught is altered to fit modern times. For instance I usually teach
in street cloths, rather than a gi. I know how to, or have learned through
study, how to explain some of the concepts which don't appear Christian on the
surface, but are actually easily explained scientifically. Such as chi or ki,
this is simply the physical electrical energy which exists in the nervous system
of the body which can be mentally controlled. I teach that the student should
focus on God and not on self. These are some examples of how I teach, but
basics are basics in movement and breathing and these are taught in a very
traditional manner. It works so why mess with it. My basic guide for what
parts are not something I teach is the bible. If anything doesn't fit with the
bible's teaching I don't teach it. I've studied this out for many years to come
to a conclusion about what fits and what doesn't. One basic philosophy is that
I know how to fight so I can better avoid it. Which is a basic eastern pattern
of thought also. Bible says we should avoid conflict, so it fits. See where
I'm headed?
Does that answer the question?
Br@dley
Do you teach traditional patterns/poomse/kata? I've found these cause me
the greatest concern (where I train, there is no eastern meditation etc
to be worried about) althought the philosophy behind them is not taught.
> Some of what is taught is altered to fit modern times. For instance I
> usually teach in street cloths, rather than a gi.
That's a good idea if you are serious about self defense (or street
fighting).
> I
> know how to, or have learned through study, how to explain some of
> the concepts which don't appear Christian on the surface, but are
> actually easily explained scientifically. Such as chi or ki, this is
> simply the physical electrical energy which exists in the nervous
> system of the body which can be mentally controlled.
Many would argue what Ki is etc.... :)
Personnaly I think it is a physical phenomina that has previously been
explained in mystical terms (like many things in the East).. or
something which people have attempted to spiritualise.
> I teach that
> the student should focus on God and not on self. These are some
> examples of how I teach, but basics are basics in movement and
> breathing and these are taught in a very traditional manner. It
> works so why mess with it. My basic guide for what parts are not
> something I teach is the bible. If anything doesn't fit with the
> bible's teaching I don't teach it. I've studied this out for many
> years to come to a conclusion about what fits and what doesn't. One
> basic philosophy is that I know how to fight so I can better avoid
> it. Which is a basic eastern pattern of thought also. Bible says we
> should avoid conflict, so it fits. See where I'm headed?
Agreed.
> Does that answer the question?
Sure:) Thanks.
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one.with.Christ wrote in message
<1114921730.3ec6403354e50026c2a6ec60ea66956b@teranews>...
I went to the drug store and got a kung fu magazine, and ordered the martial
arts books listed in the magazine. Then I taught it to myself. I don't fight
with real people, just imaginary ones. I don't consider myself a martial
artist, I consider myself a self defense expert.
I practice the best form of self defense, - don't fight at all.
I have been using martial arts for physical fitness. I am also fighting
aging, and young people are fast and flexible, and martial arts will make a
person fast and flexible.
I practiced, Karate, much kung fu (Shaolin 5 animals and long fist), some
jiu jitsu, some kick boxing, and my specialty - Kung fu kick combinations, 2
and 3 kicks at a time, one leading into the other. But with me all of this
is like a game; I don't fight with real people.
I also do a 90 yard sprint. That is the only technique I ever had to use. 4
guys tried to rob me once at a service station and I ran away so fast, they
gave up trying to catch me in a short time.
I also practice stick, pole, hand stick (ink pens) and sometimes knife and I
know a little nuchucku, and escrema. Also do target practice with pellet
guns; I am a good shot.
A few years ago, I had recorded so many different moves in my mind I decided
to cut it down to what is useful in a real fight. So, I adopted a full
sideways style with hop in side kicks, and round house kicks, until the
strong leg gets tired, then switch over to a kick boxing style, with the
weak leg forward. (I copied this off of Don the dragon Wilson from the TV
and some from Bill superfoot Wallace. Both of those men used this style and
I believe both were undefeated with it; at least Bill Wallace was.)
Then I do a simple kick boxing style, with punches, blocks, foot work and
single kicks.
Bruce Lee said keep it simple, it is the simple stuff that works in a real
fight.
But, I still do the complicated kick combinations. I believe the kung fu
kick expert can beat anyone, when his legs are ready, but they are not
always ready.
But like I said, all of this is like a game to me; I don't fight with real
people and I do this mostly for two reasons, - physical fitness and not to
be afraid of anyone.
I used to do street witnessing and out on the street you can be threatened
by people if you are trying to lead them to Jesus. Knowing martial arts can
make you a bolder witness, not afraid of people, because you know you could
defend yourself if you had to.
I knew about a guy that was street witnessing about Jesus and the person he
was witnessing to just punched him in the face. He stood there crying not
understanding why.
That would not work with me; I practice 20 ways to block or parry a punch,
and can do it by reflex action without thinking.
one.with.Christ
The style of kung fu I teach has an interesting way of dealing with kata, but
that aside my view is that the mock combat of kata teaches combinations. Which
is an important thing to know so you don't rely on a single punch or kick to do
the job. So in that respect I teach kata within the guidelines of the
particular style of kung fu.
>
>> Some of what is taught is altered to fit modern times. For instance I usually
>> teach in street cloths, rather than a gi.
>
> That's a good idea if you are serious about self defense (or street fighting).
>
>> I
>> know how to, or have learned through study, how to explain some of
>> the concepts which don't appear Christian on the surface, but are
>> actually easily explained scientifically. Such as chi or ki, this is
>> simply the physical electrical energy which exists in the nervous
>> system of the body which can be mentally controlled.
>
> Many would argue what Ki is etc.... :)
>
yep
> Personnaly I think it is a physical phenomina that has previously been
> explained in mystical terms (like many things in the East).. or something
> which people have attempted to spiritualise.
>
yep
>> I teach that
>> the student should focus on God and not on self. These are some
>> examples of how I teach, but basics are basics in movement and
>> breathing and these are taught in a very traditional manner. It
>> works so why mess with it. My basic guide for what parts are not
>> something I teach is the bible. If anything doesn't fit with the
>> bible's teaching I don't teach it. I've studied this out for many
>> years to come to a conclusion about what fits and what doesn't. One
>> basic philosophy is that I know how to fight so I can better avoid
>> it. Which is a basic eastern pattern of thought also. Bible says we
>> should avoid conflict, so it fits. See where I'm headed?
>
> Agreed.
>
>> Does that answer the question?
>
> Sure:) Thanks.
cool
one.with.Christ
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two cautions - 1 magazines don't teach martial arts, people do; 2 - no movie
ever had an accurate representation of martial arts technique in it.
If you feel comfortable with what you know, cool. The best fight is one that
never happened and so I agree with you totally on that front. Getting a
response into muscle memory is just about the most important thing to being able
to respond to a threat. Thinking takes to long, just do it. Last thing to
remember always is that on any given day anyone can defeat anyone else, just
depends on the day.