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;;;Matt;;;

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Jun 3, 2009, 12:12:00 PM6/3/09
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Romans 14

1 Accept him whose faith is weak, without passing judgment on
disputable matters. 2 One man's faith allows him to eat everything,
but another man, whose faith is weak, eats only vegetables. 3 The man
who eats everything must not look down on him who does not, and the
man who does not eat everything must not condemn the man who does, for
God has accepted him. 4 Who are you to judge someone else's servant?
To his own master he stands or falls. And he will stand, for the Lord
is able to make him stand.

Good Day to you all

Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.

God Bless You

Matt


Van

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Jun 3, 2009, 12:17:03 PM6/3/09
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Yes, exactly. Unfortunately theres far too much of it here. Thanks
Matt.

-Van

Dr. House

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Jun 3, 2009, 12:21:34 PM6/3/09
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A most excellent post. Thank you Matt.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:

> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.

Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there. And
you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot afford
living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain with your
baby.

Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
little at least.


Be well.

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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 09:17:03 -0700 (PDT), Van <eva...@gmail.com>
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Well I have been guilty a few times. Vera did not like the post
HMMMM

Matt

Amazing Grace

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Amen. Have a blessed day Matt.
Grace

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Welcome although Vera did not like it.

God Bless

Matt

;;;Matt;;;

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>Have a wonderful day with Baby dear brother. What a great Scripture to begin
>the day with. Thanks for taking time to post it before making good with the
>gorgeous day there.
>


Welcome Sister

Leaving now hope you have a great day

God Bless you and your family

Matt

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Thanks Grace hope I will. Hope you have one as well

Vera did not like my post. Wonder why? ;-))

God Bless You Sister

Matt

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On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:30:51 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:h18d25hqsjpvhna9u...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.
>
>Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there. And
>you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot afford
>living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain with your
>baby.

Well my personal Stalker Vera Vera Vera 6

Well my mother passed away long ago and was not a "alcohol sick
mother"

I have 2 houses Vera.

Tell me Vera ^ you say you attack post that are not in line with God's
truth. You attacked this post Vera were is it not in line with God's
truth.


>
>Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
>little at least.

Well that means never being like you Vera

Be Well Dearest

Thanks for another wire hanger

Matt
>
>
>Be well.
>
>
>
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________
snipped due to hypocrisy that is Vera 6

Rod 景文

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Jun 3, 2009, 1:44:42 PM6/3/09
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Speak of the whore of Babylon and she appears....

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Sensi

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Jun 3, 2009, 1:57:22 PM6/3/09
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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> In news:h18d25hqsjpvhna9u...@4ax.com,
> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.
>
> Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there. And
> you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot afford
> living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain with your
> baby.
>
> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
> little at least.
>
>
> Be well.
>


Sensi:
A test for you Vera to see for yourself how well you fare.


> http://ezinearticles.com/?Test-Your-Spirituality-Quotient--

You might have to copy and paste if the link doesn't work.

Enjoy!

Dr. House

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Jun 3, 2009, 2:11:36 PM6/3/09
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On Jun 3, 10:18 am, ";;;Matt;;;" <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> wrote:


> . . . did not like it.  

You really need to start seeing her as comedy. It would be better for
you. It would be better for her. Try to imagine a six year old girl
wearing a beach towel as a cape and a paper crown - shouting the lines
that 6 types. I think she pushes people away because she needs to be
loved. It would be good for us to try to show her kindness in a
plutonic, crazy aunt, kind of way. I know it's hard.

God bless,

House

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JohnH

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::: Jesus is LORD ::: wrote:
> In news:h18d25hqsjpvhna9u...@4ax.com,
> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.
>
> Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there. And
> you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot afford
> living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain with your
> baby.
>
> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
> little at least.
>
"But those things which proceed out of the mouth come forth from the
heart; and they defile the man" (Matthew 15:18).

"If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue,
but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain. Out of the
same mouth proceedeth blessing and cursing" (James 1:26 and 3:10).
>
> Be well.
>
Being "ironic" again?

Jani

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";;;Matt;;;" <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> wrote in message

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Been a gorgeous day here, too, although I didn't go running up any mountains
:)

Jani

roy...@gmail.com

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Jun 3, 2009, 5:02:46 PM6/3/09
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Thnx Matt.

I'ld give some thinking thru in light of our despising our flesh (Gen
6:3 + Gal 5:17-25 ) .

Have a good time.

Cheers.

<Kelly>

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On Jun 3, 10:18 am, ";;;Matt;;;" <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> wrote:

Who cares if Vera didn't like it? Methinks you worry too much about
what Vera thinks...

Sensi

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Diana wrote:
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> "Sensi" <sensi...@home.com> wrote in message
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> I could not find the test there. Is that the right link? Thought it might be
> fun to take it.
>
>
Sensi:
I couldn't get the link to work so I copied the test...You
can take it from here.

Spirituality can be understood as the knowledge of a reality
that lies beyond the physical self and forms the very core
of the physical beings. A spiritual person goes into the
fundamental cause or source of all material reality which
can not be seen or felt.

All living realities consist of a body and a soul or the
spark of spirit. While bodies are distinct and changing
every moment, the spirit is eternal and same in all. Thus
the mind of a spiritual person is still and experiences
peace and happiness while the mind of a material person is
turbulent and experiences pleasure and pain.

All human beings are born spiritual as Jesus said, "Man does
not live by bread alone". No man can be happy merely by
satisfying the body like other animals. He has to satisfy
his soul to live. All the happiness and joy in the life of
man comes only from the satisfaction of body and soul. While
the satisfaction of body is temporary as it lasts only for a
while, the satisfaction of soul is lasting which brings
permanent happiness and joy in the life of man.

Thus spirituality is the true indication of the happiness of
a person.

The Intelligence Quotient (IQ)

Scientists have developed many methods to measure the
Intelligence of a person, calling it the Intelligence
Quotient (IQ). IQ has been widely used by the universities
to select the student for the graduate courses. The tests
like GRE or SAT measures the intelligence of the student. IQ
is also an important criteria adopted by corporate to select
their employees as they have learned from their experience
that people with high IQ have better ability to solve problems.

It has also been established by many studies that people of
high IQ are more successful in their professional and
personal lives.

Yet there is no guarantee the people of high IQ must also be
happier in their life than the less intelligent people as
happiness comes from within and does not depend on the
material success of the person in this world.

The happiness of the person does not depend on his IQ but
depends only on his spiritual Quotient (SQ).

The Spiritual Quotient

Spirituality of a person is difficult to measure just like
happiness. The reason is that while the body and mind of the
person can be seen or measured, the spirit can not be
measured by any instrument.

However, every person knows his spirit which is the source
of his thoughts, believes and emotions. Hence he can knows
himself for sure the truth of his soul.

Spirituality is not measurable by the actions of the person.
One can go to Church or temple every day without believing
God at all. There is no method to measure beliefs, truths
and love. One can also fool the world by doing action and
speaking words contrary to his thoughts and believes.

Hence one has to be absolutely honest in answering the
questions for the SQ Test as it if for the Self and not for
others. No material benefits can accrue by getting high SQ
score.

Remember, you can fool all people in the world but you can
never fool yourself.

So be honest while measuring your own SQ as high SQ is an
indication of your lasting happiness. You clues of high SQ
is hidden in the test itself, which can always be used to
increase SQ and achieve more permanent happiness in life.

Spiritual Quotient Test

Answer the following questions truthfully.

There are five answers of each question. The answers and the
marks assigned are as following


1. Absolutely True (10 marks)
2. Very True (8 marks)
3. Partially True (6 marks)
4. Probably True (4 marks)
5. Rarely True (2 marks)
6. Not True ( 0 marks)


Q1: I believe that God is One.

Q2: I believe that God is formless and present in
all beings.

Q3: I love all people and feel compassion for all
living being.

Q4: I earn enough to live a comfortable life and I
do not like to accumulate wealth

Q5: I am happy being myself and do not seek power.

Q6: I respect my parents and elders.

Q7: I seek good for all and I do not like violence.

Q8: I always speak Truth.

Q9: I love my spouse and do not intend to commit
adultery.

Q10: I always deal with people in a way I would
have like to be dealt myself.

Add all your score and your Spiritual Quotient. The higher
is your score, the more spiritual you are in your life and
more permanent is your happiness and joy in the life.

In order to know how these questions measure spirituality,
we have to understand the essence of spirituality.

The Essence of Spirituality

The ten questions to measure SQ are not really different
from each other but may be treaded as the braches of the
same tree as a spiritual person sees unity in all
diversities in this universe.

The detailed analysis of the questions would reveal that
they all emanates from the same spirit which is fundamental
and eternal as explained in following paras.

(I) God is One

Every religion gives a different name for the God. God is
known in different religions as Yahweh, Christ, Allah,
Krishna, Ram, Shiva, Buddha, Mother etc. He is also referred
as Supreme, Energy, Spirit, Love by nonreligious person. All
scriptures provide a different name and description of God.
Thus for an ordinary person, all religions are different and
all Gods are different.

However a spiritual person knows that they all refer to the
same God as there can not be multiple Gods based on the
faith of the person.

(II) God is An Omnipresent Spirit

Most people understand God by some form. Some people worship
the idols of God in their temple or churches. Others
consider the words of God as sacrosanct. However, one who
sees God in Idols or forms can never be spiritual as no two
idols can be same. A typical temple of Hindu is inhabited by
several Gods or Goddess like Krishna, Rama, Kali, Shiva etc.
Even Christianity believe in the Trinity of God i.e. God the
Father, God the Son (Christ) and Holy Spirit. Judaism and
Islam believe in the Oneness of God. Yet there are major
differences in the description of God.

Thus it is not easy to comprehend God as One unless one uses
intuition and imagination. If God is One, then He can never
be described by words and Forms for the simple reason that
they all represents a specific concept of divinity which is
limited which God is eternal and omnipresent. He has to be a
Spirit or Energy which is present in all creations. A
spiritual person therefore sees the same God in every person
irrespective of his religion, race or nationality due to His
presence in all.

(III) Love All Beings

A spiritual person sees God in all including himself. Hence
everyone automatically becomes an extension of the self.
Thus he loves every person as the self. However, a material
person sees himself different from others, his religion
different from others, his nation different from others or
his race different from others. Therefore, he can never love
others as the self. All distinction leads to hatred as no
two people can think alike or do identical things. Thus one
can easily know the level of his spiritual growth by just
observing how many people he loves.

If one can love every one including his enemies, he is truly
a spiritual person.

(IV) Wealth is A Means Only

While most people are longing to earn as much wealth as they
can and live a life or comfort and luxury, a spiritual
person sees wealth only as a means to attain God. He lives
not to eat but eat only to live. Once his basic necessities
are satisfied, he does not want to accumulate wealth. One
can never be materialistic and spiritual at the same time.

A seeker of God does not go after wealth.

(V) Hate Power

The concept of individual power runs quite contrary to the
spiritual world. It is well said that power corrupts and
absolute power corrupt absolutely. Individual power always
challenges the power of God. The universe is perfect in
itself as anything that is created by God has to be perfect.
However, due to the limitation of our knowledge, we often
find the world as imperfect and try to make it perfect by
the use of force. Most of us have limited power; hence we
use it only in our family or dependents. Yet one who has
more power uses it against a large number of people.
However, it is seen from experience that all such attempts
of changing the world by force has finally failed as
unlimitedly only the Truth or God wins.

(VI) Respect Parents

Man is brought into this world from the flesh and blood of
his parents. Parents also play the most important role in
bring up the child and make him stand on his own feet.
However, when parents become weak and needs the support of
their children, often children ditch them. For a material
person, it does not make any sense to return the favour to
their parents as the parents can never pay back the favour
again. However, a spiritual person always respects their
parents as his very existence came from them. He feels
obliged to feed the source that created them at the first place.

Respecting parents is a sign of gratitude and humility. One
who is not grateful to his parents, can not be grateful to
God or his Creator.

(VII) Nonviolence

Violence is the easiest method to get results. The policy of
"an eye for an eye" is as old as the civilization itself.
However, violence always leads to more violence. The root
cause of violence is due to the separateness one feels with
the others. If a person feels that everyone is created from
the same spirit and have the same God, he can never resort
to violence not only in deeds but even in thoughts. You can
never use violence against yourself however wrong you have
done. You are always able to find some reason and some
justification for all your acts

(VIII) Truth is God

Truth is the most important character of a spiritual person
as Truth is one of the manifestations of God. God like Truth
is eternal and omnipresent. While materialistic people are
always driven by their desire to accumulate wealth and
changes the course of life based on the tide of the flow,
the spiritual person can never discard truth for the sake of
anything in this world. Truth is always consistent with God
and it is Truth that creates faith and trust.

(IX) Adultery is Sensuous

Coveting the spouse or wealth of other is the sure
manifestation of the enslavement of the person to his senses
and the body. Adultery is unacceptable to a spiritual person
it amount to cheating to the spouse for the sake of sensual
pleasure. For the spiritual person, nothing is as important
as having the faith and trust of the partner. He can not
have faith in the God if he fails to have faith of his spouse.

(X) The Golden Rule

Treating others as one would like others to treat him is the
most natural action of all spiritual people as they do not
distinguish between self and others. Even if they wish, they
can not treat others as any different from their own selves.

Spirituality Brings Happiness

Spirituality is often associated with other worldliness.
Nothing can be farther from truth. A Spiritual person goes
beyond the body and discovers the true force of the body.
Thus he understands the cause and effect of the world more
accurately than any scientist. As a scientist can prevent
mishaps by predicting weather and cyclones, the spiritual
person avoids pain and misery by his better understands of
the world. He earns the trust and faith of the people by his
selfless service to them and by trusting them. Thus the
Spiritual Quotient of a person measures the spirituality or
the non-material nature of the person which truly reflects
the quotient of his happiness and joy.

Dr. Awdhesh K Singh is an Engineer by education and
philosopher by passion. He holds his PhD degree in the area
of E-Governance.

He has published several papers in International Journals
and Conferences on the subject of E-governance and the
application of Artificial Intelligence tools like Fuzzy
Logic (FL) and Expert Systems (ES) for E-governance.

He has keen interest in the study and application of
Religion, Spirituality and Philosophies for solving the
real-life problems of the modern world.

Many of his articles are published on the website of Aatmic
Science Forum and Science of Soul.

His can be contacted on the email aksinghirs [a] yahoo.com

Article Source: http://EzineArticles.com/?expert=Awdhesh_K_Singh

;;;Matt;;;

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I find Vera more like the cowardly bully. Following victims around
jumping out taking a swing and then running while shouting insults and
lies, while she runs.

I do pity her.

God bless

Matt

;;;Matt;;;

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"Worry" is to strong a word there are many here that just like to make
snide remarks.

I just find it interesting that Vera does not like this scripture.

Care what Vera thinks to a point, when Vera's words here can drive
people from Christ yes. I do not believe there is such a thing as
hatefilled Christian but if there is Vera fits that mold.

In my opinion.

Be Well

Matt

roy...@gmail.com

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Jun 4, 2009, 1:06:30 PM6/4/09
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That passage picks up from where Rom 12:19 ends -
"Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate
with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for
evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If
possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.' "

There's much there that will change how we engage with each other.

Cheers.

Dr. House

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On Jun 4, 10:06 am, roym...@gmail.com wrote:

[...]


> That passage picks up from where Rom 12:19 ends -
> "Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate
> with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for
> evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If
> possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
> Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
> for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.' "
>
> There's much there that will change how we engage with each other.
>
> Cheers.


This is also a nice post Roy. Thanks so much.

God bless,

House

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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Jun 4, 2009, 1:51:58 PM6/4/09
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In news:0ppf251nov3fkr23l...@4ax.com,
;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:

> I find Vera more like the cowardly bully.

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
Read this above...

Then read this below...
v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v
In news:k6jhi41ct27cvaehv...@4ax.com,
The Matt d <trdel...@gmail.com > typed:
> Well you know more of Satan than I as a so called X satanic witch. I
> think the X part is false. You are a Satanic Bitch. A rabid Bitch.
>
> Lets see what a little money can do shall we.
>
> Oh lets see if the German Government will sue me like you said LOL
>
> Maybe you should write to president Obama LOL
>
> Vera Six you are a FREAK SHOW.
>
> BTW you have never posted my real name.
>
> Vera Six the slut doesn't know it. Well maybe only a cyber slut. No
> real man would touch her.
>
> You do look like a drag queen as many pictures show. More than you
> know
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ___________________________________________________
> snipped because Vera is of Very Very moral and Christian Character


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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD

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Jun 4, 2009, 2:19:15 PM6/4/09
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Roy wrote:
> ;;;Matt;;; wrote:

> > <Kelly> wrote:
>
> > >> Welcome although Vera did not like it.
> >
> > >Who cares if Vera didn't like it? Methinks you worry too much about
> > >what Vera thinks...
> >
> > "Worry" is to strong a word there are many here that just like to make
> > snide remarks.
> >
> > I just find it interesting that Vera does not like this scripture.
>
> That passage picks up from where Rom 12:19 ends -
> "Live in harmony with one another. Do not be haughty, but associate
> with the lowly. Never be wise in your own sight. Repay no one evil for
> evil, but give thought to do what is honorable in the sight of all. If
> possible, so far as it depends on you, live peaceably with all.
> Beloved, never avenge yourselves, but leave it to the wrath of God,
> for it is written, 'Vengeance is mine, I will repay, says the Lord.' "
>
> There's much there that will change how we engage with each other.

It remains wise to simply be mindful of WDJW and pray for those who
would persecute you.

The specific prayer should be for the salvation of their souls if we
know they are not saved as we know that Vera is not saved else she
would be able to publicly say "Jesus is LORD."

Jesus is LORD, forever !!!

http://JiL4ever.net

Be hungrier, which is truly healthier for mind, body, and soul:

http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/991d4e30704307e7?

Marana tha

Prayerfully in the awesome name of our Messiah, LORD Jesus Christ,

Andrew <><
--
"... no one can say 'Jesus is LORD' except by the Holy Spirit." (1 Cor
12:3)
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/035c93540862751c?

What are the keys of the Kingdom of Heaven?
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/980b41e6999de315?

Only the truth can cure the "hunger is starvation" delusion:
http://groups.google.com/group/sci.med.cardiology/msg/74281ab7d7ce78de?

Amazing Grace

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Amen, Roy a very good reminder.
God bless,
Grace

;;;Matt;;;

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On Thu, 4 Jun 2009 19:51:58 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:0ppf251nov3fkr23l...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> I find Vera more like the cowardly bully.
>
>^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>Read this above...

LOL Vera I did write the below and did apologize you accepted until
you discovered a apology did not mean total agreement with you. Many
know this is true, You then said it was a hollow apology.

You did say the German government was going to sue me. You did write
a post styled as a letter to president Bush as a form of intimidation.

You are a so called X Witch.

You have tried (knowingly) to get married men through the web.

You do in my opinion look like a demented Drag queen. I apologize to
any drag queens that read this for any offence caused.

As for the rest I do regret letting you get to me in this way.

Be Well

Matt

P.S. you are the one following me around.
Stalking I think it is called

Em

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>
>
> <roy...@gmail.com> wrote in message
> news:4654646c-f70e-43ee...@r37g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
> Absolutely Roy. This is true. The carnal nature of mankind tends to strike
> back when attacked. We are all working to
> Philippians 3:14 I press toward the mark for the prize of the high
> calling of God in Christ Jesus. and also
>
> Matthew 5:48 Be ye therefore perfect, even as your Father which is in
> heaven is perfect.
>
> Thanks Roy for the truth as it is written in the Bible. You are one of my
> favorite people here. You are very kind even when you correct others. I
> love and appreciate that in you.
>
>
Me too, Roy.
God bless you!
Em


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Good post.

Thanks and God Bless

Matt

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Amazing Grace <maran...@nospam.gmail.com> typed:

> Amen, Roy a very good reminder.
> God bless,
> Grace

Same old... *yawn*


::: Jesus is LORD :::

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;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:

> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:30:51 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>> In news:h18d25hqsjpvhna9u...@4ax.com,
>> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>>> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.
>>
>> Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there.
>> And you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot
>> afford living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain
>> with your baby.
>
> Well my personal Stalker Vera Vera Vera 6
>
> Well my mother passed away long ago and was not a "alcohol sick
> mother"

I pity her for her son who must have tortured her pretty much so she had
to drink. Poor poor mother. And your poor children, and your poor wife.


> I have 2 houses Vera.

Since you are a liar anyway, this might be a lie as well. You cannot
prove that.


> Tell me Vera ^ you say you attack post that are not in line with God's
> truth. You attacked this post Vera were is it not in line with God's
> truth.

I do not "attack" at all. Actually I was attacked and habe been attacked
for years by stalking idiotic anti-Christian loons like you.

>> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
>> little at least.
>
> Well that means never being like you Vera

Ha, ha, ha!!!

BELOW...

v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v v

In news:k6jhi41ct27cvaehv...@4ax.com,
The Matt d <trdel...@gmail.com > typed:
> Well you know more of Satan than I as a so called X satanic witch. I
> think the X part is false. You are a Satanic Bitch. A rabid Bitch.
>
> Lets see what a little money can do shall we.
>
> Oh lets see if the German Government will sue me like you said LOL
>
> Maybe you should write to president Obama LOL
>
> Vera Six you are a FREAK SHOW.
>
> BTW you have never posted my real name.
>
> Vera Six the slut doesn't know it. Well maybe only a cyber slut. No
> real man would touch her.
>
> You do look like a drag queen as many pictures show. More than you
> know
>
>
>
>
>
>
>>
>>
>> --
>> ___________________________________________________
> snipped because Vera is of Very Very moral and Christian Character

>

;;;Matt;;;

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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 00:01:35 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:mnbd25ths2d7an4vk...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> On Wed, 3 Jun 2009 18:30:51 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
>> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>>
>>> In news:h18d25hqsjpvhna9u...@4ax.com,
>>> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>>>> Going up to the mountain to read the Bible and play with the baby.
>>>
>>> Send my greetings to your alcohol sick mother if you see her there.
>>> And you should also have a cure if it is so bad that you cannot
>>> afford living in a house anymore and have to live in the mountain
>>> with your baby.
>>
>> Well my personal Stalker Vera Vera Vera 6
>>
>> Well my mother passed away long ago and was not a "alcohol sick
>> mother"
>
>I pity her for her son who must have tortured her pretty much so she had
>to drink. Poor poor mother. And your poor children, and your poor wife.

Vera guess you are drinking again. Volker is whom I feel sorry for.
A mother like you. Glad he gets his looks from his father as well as
his intelligence


>
>
>> I have 2 houses Vera.
>
>Since you are a liar anyway, this might be a lie as well. You cannot
>prove that.

What is ther to prove and why would I need to. I need prove nothing
to you.

>
>
>> Tell me Vera ^ you say you attack post that are not in line with God's
>> truth. You attacked this post Vera were is it not in line with God's
>> truth.
>
>I do not "attack" at all. Actually I was attacked and habe been attacked
>for years by stalking idiotic anti-Christian loons like you.

Vera Vera Vera 666 I do not follow you from thread to thread that is
what you do. Like you did in this post.

>
>
>>> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally a
>>> little at least.
>>
>> Well that means never being like you Vera
>
>Ha, ha, ha!!!
>
>BELOW...

You make some think the post below is true like with you above attack
on my family. I never claimed to be perfect and at the time I wrote
that about a year ago I was angry and did apologized you accepted and
still bring it up over and over. Yes your such a hate filled fake
Christian. Remind of jim jones and Fred Phelps. With a little
hitler mixed in.
>

Same old... *yawn*

roy...@gmail.com

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On Jun 5, 5:00 am, ";;;Matt;;;" <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> wrote:

Thnx muchly, Matt [and others] :-)
I didn't mean to upstage your original post.

The exhortation that probably hits me most (for the mo) is that of
being found honorable.

The Billy Elliot story (movie and musical) has a couple of tear-jerk
scenes that resonate with me - proud dad running up the street on
hearing his son's acceptance to ballet school, dad and son embraced
with laughter on the grass and at son's departure to London, proud dad
at his son's performance on stage. And there was mum's letter "...
proud to have known you, proud that you are mine, proud in everything,
love you forever". In many ways the son honored his parents as per
the Fifth Commandment.

But it doesn't reach the heights of the glorious Gospel as our Father
sacrificed His Son in our stead to reconcile us to Himself, and we can
intimately call Him 'dad'. We are indebted to the Cross.

Cheers.

Amazing Grace

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We are indeed. Christ paid our debt there.
God bless,
Grace

roy...@gmail.com

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On Jun 5, 8:32 am, "Amazing Grace" <maranat...@nospam.gmail.com>
wrote:
> <roym...@gmail.com> wrote in message

Aye. Priceless! :-)

Love You forever.


> God bless,

Likewise.

> Grace

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:3phg25lfq96ljm3uf...@4ax.com,
;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:


You obviously got your drinking problem from your mother, and that you
are a homosexual from your father. I wonder how this worked, though...

Hey, you were in love with this WOZ guy, and that is why you hated the
Christians of ACC so much, and still do. You can only accept liberals,
those who are open for homosexuals like you.


> What is ther to prove and why would I need to. I need prove nothing
> to you.

You do not need to prove anything, but I do not have to believe such a
one like you anything, nor does any Reader.

>>> Tell me Vera ^ you say you attack post that are not in line with
>>> God's truth. You attacked this post Vera were is it not in line
>>> with God's truth.
>>
>> I do not "attack" at all. Actually I was attacked and habe been
>> attacked for years by stalking idiotic anti-Christian loons like you.
>
> Vera Vera Vera 666 I do not follow you from thread to thread that is
> what you do. Like you did in this post.

Answering posts is quite normal in usenet, idiot.

Satan, creep back where you belong.

>>>> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally
>>>> a little at least.
>>>
>>> Well that means never being like you Vera
>>
>> Ha, ha, ha!!!
>>
>> BELOW...
>
> You make some think the post below is true like with you above attack
> on my family.

Do you really call this heap of whatever a family? You have to run away
into the forest at least once a week - ummm for your so-called "Bible
study". Methinks you might meet all the homosexuals who have ever posted
to ACC there. Does your wife know about that?


> I never claimed to be perfect and at the time I wrote
> that about a year ago I was angry and did apologized you accepted and
> still bring it up over and over.

That is the problem, Matt, you have always apologized when others told
you you were a little too evil. But guess what? Your apologies were as
cheap as Feather's. Stick them somewhere, you homosexual drinking cad.


> Yes your such a hate filled fake
> Christian. Remind of jim jones and Fred Phelps. With a little
> hitler mixed in.

You are the worst idiot I have seen, and anyone who helped you get a
hold in ACC is not any better and doing Satan's work. Your lies will not
help you in the end.


> Same old... *yawn*

Oh really, you have the power of an old smelling sock.

Tiring, really. Just your old rants, abuse, discouraging and insults.
Devil's job.

<Kelly>

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On Jun 4, 4:41 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:3phg25lfq96ljm3uf...@4ax.com,

I'm starting to think a letter to Vera's pastor might be in order
again (with this post - and others from her - attached).

Dr. House

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On Jun 4, 4:41 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

[..]
<snip hate>


> You do not need to prove anything, but I do not have to believe such a
> one like you anything, nor does any Reader.

6 why do you hate so much?


;;;Matt;;;

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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 01:41:09 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:3phg25lfq96ljm3uf...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>
>
>You obviously got your drinking problem from your mother, and that you
>are a homosexual from your father. I wonder how this worked, though...

Vera Six again you are proven a liar. Gossip and lies are what you
are about


>
>Hey, you were in love with this WOZ guy, and that is why you hated the
>Christians of ACC so much, and still do. You can only accept liberals,
>those who are open for homosexuals like you.

Vera I was not a poster when Woz was. another Vera 6 lie


>
>
>> What is ther to prove and why would I need to. I need prove nothing
>> to you.
>
>You do not need to prove anything, but I do not have to believe such a
>one like you anything, nor does any Reader.

That is true a reader needs to read what I post and what you do.


>
>
>
>>>> Tell me Vera ^ you say you attack post that are not in line with
>>>> God's truth. You attacked this post Vera were is it not in line
>>>> with God's truth.
>>>
>>> I do not "attack" at all. Actually I was attacked and habe been
>>> attacked for years by stalking idiotic anti-Christian loons like you.
>>
>> Vera Vera Vera 666 I do not follow you from thread to thread that is
>> what you do. Like you did in this post.
>
>Answering posts is quite normal in usenet, idiot.

True but you attack pure scripture like any follower of satan would.


>
>Satan, creep back where you belong.

Yes you should as a witch as you admit to being


>
> >>>> Yes, read the Bible! This may probably help you get better morally
>>>>> a little at least.
>>>>
>>>> Well that means never being like you Vera
>>>
>>> Ha, ha, ha!!!
>>>
>>> BELOW...
>>
>> You make some think the post below is true like with you above attack
>> on my family.
>
>Do you really call this heap of whatever a family? You have to run away
>into the forest at least once a week - ummm for your so-called "Bible
>study". Methinks you might meet all the homosexuals who have ever posted
>to ACC there. Does your wife know about that?

Well Vera 666 my wife knows where I go and has been there herself.
You talk about homosexuals so much I wonder after seeing your picture
if you are not one yourself. Maybe that is the father of Volker left
you.

>
>
>
>
>> I never claimed to be perfect and at the time I wrote
>> that about a year ago I was angry and did apologized you accepted and
>> still bring it up over and over.
>
>That is the problem, Matt, you have always apologized when others told
>you you were a little too evil. But guess what? Your apologies were as
>cheap as Feather's. Stick them somewhere, you homosexual drinking cad.

Vera I have been faithful to my wife always. What has feather to do
with anything I say. You slipped it is about your HATE. always has
been. Vera 666 the witch that pretends to be Christian to drive
people from Christ.


>
>
>> Yes your such a hate filled fake
>> Christian. Remind of jim jones and Fred Phelps. With a little
>> hitler mixed in.
>
>You are the worst idiot I have seen, and anyone who helped you get a
>hold in ACC is not any better and doing Satan's work. Your lies will not
>help you in the end.

Neither you of you friend Fred has shown proof of this. Wonder Why!!!


>
>
>> Same old... *yawn*
>
>Oh really, you have the power of an old smelling sock.
>
>Tiring, really. Just your old rants, abuse, discouraging and insults.
>Devil's job.

Yes Vera follower of Satan says. I think you never gave up following
satan. Vera says keep as many as possible of following Christ.

Matt
>
>
>
> --
>
> ___________________________________________________
snipped Vera 666 websites

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:k34h25t8fl7gn6qat...@4ax.com,
;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:

> Vera I have been faithful to my wife always. What has feather to do
> with anything I say.

But you did say you want to meet her at her place, and who can say how
often you have already. You also ran a website together with her.

Would a Christian married man visit single women from the internet?

> You slipped it is about your HATE. always has
> been. Vera 666 the witch that pretends to be Christian to drive
> people from Christ.


Your hate will eat you up one day. I have never seen anything but hate
from you.


>> Oh really, you have the power of an old smelling sock.
>>
>> Tiring, really. Just your old rants, abuse, discouraging and insults.
>> Devil's job.
>
> Yes Vera follower of Satan says. I think you never gave up following
> satan. Vera says keep as many as possible of following Christ.

That is just what you say, but God knows better, and He will be YOUR
Judge.

>
> Matt
>>
>>
>>
>> --
>>
>> ___________________________________________________
> snipped Vera 666 websites

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

For that, too.

Dr. House

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On Jun 5, 3:22 am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:

[...]


> Would a Christian married man visit single women from the internet?

If it was like that they wouldn't be so open about it. Thanks for
spinning nothing into gossip.

[...]


> Your hate will eat you up one day. I have never seen anything but hate
> from you.

What hate? Why can't you point to any example of it?

[...]


> > Yes Vera follower of Satan says.  I think you never gave up following
> > satan.  Vera says keep as many as possible of following Christ.
>
> That is just what you say, but God knows better, and He will be YOUR
> Judge.

The fact remains you have been unkind to people who were not unkind to
you.

[...]


> >> ___________________________________________________
> > snipped Vera 666 websites
>
> ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
>
> For that, too.

Trimming non-essentials is not an insult.

;;;Matt;;;

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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 12:22:02 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:k34h25t8fl7gn6qat...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> Vera I have been faithful to my wife always. What has feather to do
>> with anything I say.
>
>But you did say you want to meet her at her place, and who can say how
>often you have already. You also ran a website together with her.

Actually I never said anything about her place just "Glass Beach"

http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Glass_Beach_Fort_Bragg_3.jpg

I said on my next Vacation that means my Wife and Dog would be going
with me. You really should read all of a post and not just what you
need for your little twisted lies and Gossip. Bet you hate that Chat
3 the Gossip chat room is gone.


>
>Would a Christian married man visit single women from the internet?

Vera you spin so much "read above"

You are the one that has had it shown that you tried to get 2 married
men over the internet. Luckily they had more honor than you.


>
>> You slipped it is about your HATE. always has
>> been. Vera 666 the witch that pretends to be Christian to drive
>> people from Christ.
>
>
>Your hate will eat you up one day. I have never seen anything but hate
>from you.

Vera all you need do is stop stalking me. I do not hate you. I will
admit to not understanding why you work so hard to drive people from
Christ.
>
>


>>> Oh really, you have the power of an old smelling sock.
>>>
>>> Tiring, really. Just your old rants, abuse, discouraging and insults.
>>> Devil's job.
>>
>> Yes Vera follower of Satan says. I think you never gave up following
>> satan. Vera says keep as many as possible of following Christ.
>
>That is just what you say, but God knows better, and He will be YOUR
>Judge.

Yes God is the Judge of us all. That is one of the main disagreements
we have you think you and Fred are the ultimate judge, while I think
it is God.

Be Well

Matt

Message has been deleted

;;;Matt;;;

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On Fri, 5 Jun 2009 06:40:28 -0700 (PDT), "Dr. House"
<hso...@hotmail.com> wrote:

>On Jun 5, 3:22�am, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
>wrote:
>
>[...]
>> Would a Christian married man visit single women from the internet?
>
>If it was like that they wouldn't be so open about it. Thanks for
>spinning nothing into gossip.

Well I also would not wait for my Vacation which was in the post.
Vacation with the Wife and my dog along.

I and my wife decided to take the southern route back to Florida
for a while no firm plans yet as think the fall would be a better
time. Go south threw California and then cut across the southern
states take our time. There are many things I have not seen along that
route including Glass Beach. Glass Beach is a good example that
something nice can be come from a mistake given time.

I was warned over 5 years ago that Vera looks for dirt and will
twist anything said into dirt. She used to use her Chat room from her
website for getting Dirt and Gossip, I think it was Abby that caused
her to say at least it was shut down.

Matt

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:78svveF...@mid.individual.net,
Diana <shech...@reborn.com> typed:
> X-No-Archive: Yes
>
>
>
> " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <vera...@lycos.com> wrote in message
> news:78s9uaF...@mid.individual.net...

>> In news:k34h25t8fl7gn6qat...@4ax.com,
>> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>>> Vera I have been faithful to my wife always. What has feather to do
>>> with anything I say.
>>
>> But you did say you want to meet her at her place, and who can say
>> how often you have already. You also ran a website together with her.
>>
>> Would a Christian married man visit single women from the internet?
>
> LOL this is too funny. This coming from a woman who suduces men
> online all the time. She likes to lick their Pepsi. She trys to lure
> them away from their wife and small children to come be with her in
> Germany.
> So Vera? Would a Christian single woman want a "Married" man to leave
> his family and come be with her in her country? Would she fall in
> love with every man she meets on the internet? I know of two you have
> loved and one was "Married." The other one you turned on like a wolf
> when he rejected you. You ARE an ADULTERER.

>
>>> You slipped it is about your HATE. always has
>>> been. Vera 666 the witch that pretends to be Christian to drive
>>> people from Christ.
>>
>>
>> Your hate will eat you up one day. I have never seen anything but
>> hate from you.
>>
>
> LOL another good one coming from someone who has already been eaten
> up by her hatred for those who do not agree with her and bend to her
> will.

>
>>>> Oh really, you have the power of an old smelling sock.
>>>>
>>>> Tiring, really. Just your old rants, abuse, discouraging and
>>>> insults. Devil's job.
>>>
>>> Yes Vera follower of Satan says. I think you never gave up
>>> following satan. Vera says keep as many as possible of following
>>> Christ.
>>
>> That is just what you say, but God knows better, and He will be YOUR
>> Judge.
>>
>>>
>
> YES and He is YOUR judge too Vera. Remember that when you spread the
> hate of satan and not the Love of God. You are a pathetic lost soul
> Vera who thrives on the hurt of others and who loves to bring as much
> pain as you possibly can to anyone who does not agree with you.
> Repent Vera while you still can.

I repent ever having met a destructive anti-Christian woman like you.
Deeply.

::: Jesus is LORD :::

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In news:ndii251ph469s16gb...@4ax.com,
;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:

> I was warned over 5 years ago that Vera looks for dirt and will
> twist anything said into dirt. She used to use her Chat room from her
> website for getting Dirt and Gossip, I think it was Abby that caused
> her to say at least it was shut down.

Nah, it was not shut down. *I* shut it down, so abusers like you could
not continue their demonic job and claim all sorts of lies about it. In
other words, I do not want to have to do anything with most people from
this group and communicate where it cannot be proved what you or I
wrote. You will have to explain to the Lord why you destroyed the
Christian friendships we had there. And HE knows the truth. You will not
get away with your lies.

> Matt

<Kelly>

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On Jun 5, 3:53 pm, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::" <veral...@lycos.com>
wrote:
> Innews:ndii251ph469s16gb...@4ax.com,

> ;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>
> >     I was warned over 5 years ago that Vera looks for dirt and will
> > twist anything said into dirt.  She used to use her Chat room from her
> > website for getting Dirt and Gossip,  I think it was Abby that caused
> > her to say at least it was shut down.
>
> Nah, it was not shut down. *I* shut it down, so abusers like you could
> not continue their demonic job and claim all sorts of lies about it. In
> other words, I do not want to have to do anything with most people from
> this group and communicate where it cannot be proved what you or I
> wrote. You will have to explain to the Lord why you destroyed the
> Christian friendships we had there. And HE knows the truth. You will not
> get away with your lies.

Just as He knows yours, SSveraSS.

roy...@gmail.com

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I dunno why we must dwell on the painful past.

Our BS group has been walking thru Phillipians over the last few weeks
and part of chapter 3 reads -

"... that I may know him and the power of his resurrection, and may
share his sufferings, becoming like him in his death, ... brothers, I
do not consider that I have made it my own. But one thing I do:
forgetting what lies behind and straining forward to what lies ahead,
I press on toward the goal for the prize of the upward call of God in
Christ Jesus. Let those of us who are mature think this way ... " Php
3:13-15.

He is saying to forget the past and move on in the faith.

Cheers.

;;;Matt;;;

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On Sat, 6 Jun 2009 00:53:31 +0200, " ::: Jesus is LORD :::"
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:

>In news:ndii251ph469s16gb...@4ax.com,
>;;;Matt;;; <trdell1234@ns%%gmail.com> typed:
>> I was warned over 5 years ago that Vera looks for dirt and will
>> twist anything said into dirt. She used to use her Chat room from her
>> website for getting Dirt and Gossip, I think it was Abby that caused
>> her to say at least it was shut down.
>
>Nah, it was not shut down. *I* shut it down, so abusers like you could
>not continue their demonic job and claim all sorts of lies about it. In
>other words, I do not want to have to do anything with most people from
>this group and communicate where it cannot be proved what you or I
>wrote. You will have to explain to the Lord why you destroyed the
>Christian friendships we had there. And HE knows the truth. You will not
>get away with your lies.

Vera Vera Vera 6 Yes you do not like leaving proof of your
gossiping ways. You have done a good job this week both of Gossiping
and lying. What we have come to expect from you.

As I recall I was invited to your chat room and then kicked off when I
refused to give personal information out LOL.

You will have to do better.

God does know the truth and is my only Judge that matters. God is the
ultimate Judge and your views mean little to nothing.

Be Well my dearest stalker

Bring on those wire hangers LOL

Matt
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