Toronto Movement: A blessing or a voodoo ceremony?
Sensei Shaolin
Blessing. To be honest I really did not know much about it. All I
knew that it was a revival of some sorts within the
charismatic/pentecostal movement. I read an article at this website
http://www.agape.com/dle2.htm and it talked about some of the
manifestations that occured in Toronto back in 1994. My comments are
below the list of manifestations.
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MANIFESTATIONS REPORTED IN LAUGHTER MEETINGS
1 Laughing, Crying, Shaking, Running around the building (Can you
imagine Moses running around Mount Sinai after an encounter with God),
Fast dancing, running, etc, followed by collapse (....Some of the
things people did with their bodies is amazing), Barking-howling,
Trances, Drunkenness, Falling Out, Oinking (this sure sounds strange
to me!!!), Being "Hot", Fanning self or blowing, etc......
Article entitled "More on the Revival" by Richard M Riss.
2 Hooting like Owls.
Renewal Magazine UK April 1995 issue, page 43.
3 Walking like chickens.
Impact Magazine Singapore June/July 1995 Issue, page 2.
4 High Pitch whine reminiscent of a lively horse!
Electronic Version of Jesus Army Streetpaper, United Kingdom 12th May
1995.
5 Mooing and Crowing.
Book entitled "Signs of Revival" by Patrick Dixon 1994 edition, page
29.
6 Swimming in the spirit-on the back and also breast stroke style!
Book entitled "Signs of Revival"
By Patrick Dixon 1994 Edition, page 27.
7 Women going through imaginary birth pangs.
Witnessed by Phillip Johnson, Internet:phil...@smartdocs.com
8 Hopping like kangaroos.
Signals Prophetic Newsletter @1991-1994, 107 Apricot Street LA 70037,
Page 2
9 Loss of Conciousness.
Article entitled "Revival" Richard Riss' Home Page,
http://WWW.grmi.org/Richard_Riss/homepage, page 5.
10 Soaring like eagles.
An Eyewitness Account by Dr RL Hymers, PO Box 15308, Los Angeles.
11 Hissing and moving like a snake.
Article entitled "Toronto Experience" downloaded from Compuserve's
Religion/Christianity Forum Library. Contributor 100241,1446.
12 Inability to speak and involuntary body spasms.
Video entitled "The Holy Laugh", United Kingdom, 1994.
13 Kung Fu-like stances.
Witnessed by KS Loo, Internet:kee...@agape.com, Singapore Indoor
Stadium 18th Sept 1995.
14 Vomiting in the spirit and holy head-banging.
Trumpet Call, May 1995 (Volume 1:8), page 2.
15 Stripping (Taking off Clothes!). Book entitled "Is the Blessing
Biblical?"
By David Pawson, page 40, Hodder & Stoughton London 1995.
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Is there anyone reading this that can verify that any of this actually
happened? This is arguably the most disturbing piece of Christian
article I've read in quite some time, if this is true. Is this what
has become of pentecostals these days? Talk about denying the Gospel
in favor of a new "revelation". What spirit have these people
received if they are walking around like chickens and hooting like
owls? What god are they worshipping if in fact people were hissing
like snakes and pretending to have imaginary birth pangs?
There has to be more than this. Did anything good come out of it?
I've read in the newsgroups recently that some people accepted Jesus
at this revival. That certainly is a good thing, but what about the
rest? The Holy Spirit never manifested himself in this way in the
scriptures.
Mark Bassett
The charismatics were hoping this faded from view. However, you will find
them come to the defense of this wackiness of you ask. Just remember, as the
expanse of time is put between the events of Toronto, Brownsville and other
places (generally associated with Vineyard and A/G churches), more effort
will be made to accuse the one who remembers things, as they were. The heat
has been off for a while, as the whole thing is generally regarded to have
crashed and burned.
These articles that you are reading have been around for a long while, and
havent changed - though the memory of the activity HAS changed, since many
were probably hoping for time to take off the rough edges.
"Sensei Shaolin" <shaolin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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twice-born child
"Sensei Shaolin" <shaolin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:b5e12349.03030...@posting.google.com...
> Blessing. To be honest I really did not know much about it.
AND NIETHER DOES ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO WROTE ALL THAT JUNK YOU LISTED, IF
ANYBODYWANTS TO KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN IN THESE PLACES THEN THEY SHOULD
SPEAK TO PEOPLE WHO BEEN THERE.
PROPHETIC
John and Paula Sandford
Elijah House
www.elijahhouse.org Steve Shultz
The Elijah List
www.elijahlist.com
Marc Dupont
Mantle of Praise Ministries
www.mantleofpraise.org Don and Bonnie Franklin
Prohetic Roundtable
www.propheticroundtable.org
Graham Cooke
Graham Cooke Ministries
www.grahamcooke.co.uk Jim and Michal Ann Goll
Ministry to the Nations
www.ministrytothenations.org
Rick Joyner
Morningstar Ministries
www.morningstarministries.org Mahesh and Bonnie Chavda
Watch of the Lord
www.watchofthelord.com
Bobby Conner
Demonstrations of God's Power
www.bobbyconner.org Bob Jones & Keith Davis
www.bobjones.org
Mike Bickle
Friends of the Bridegroom
www.fotb.com Paul Cain
Shiloh Ministries
www.shiloh-usa.org
Robert Stearns
Eagles' Wings Ministries
www.eagleswings.to Aaron Evans
BridgeBuilders International
www.bridgebuildersintl.org
John L. Moore
www.johnlmoore.com Larry Randolph Ministries
www.larryrandolph.com
Dr. Henry Malone
Vision Life Ministries
www.visionlife.org Ron Campbell
Sound the Trumpet Ministries
www.soundthetrumpet.org
Lisa Winter
Ears2Hear Prophetic Ministry
http://www.ears2hear.org Vertical Hold
Alternative Prophetic Site
http://home.att.net/~verticalhold/
John Paul Jackson
Streams Ministries International
http://www.streamsministries.com/
Randy Clark
Global Awakening
http://www.globalawakening.com/
Mark and Susie Roye
BloodnFire Ministries - San Antonio
http://www.bloodnfiresanantonio.com/
Dennis & Melanie Morgan-Dohner
BigGod Ministries Inc.
http://www.biggod.org.uk/
RENEWAL
Wesley Campbell
Revival Now!
www.revivalnow.com John Arnott
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship
www.tacf.org
Randy Clark
Global Awakening
www.globalawakening.com Che Ahn
Harvest Rock Church
www.harvestrockchurch.org
David & Janice VanCronkhite
Blood-n-Fire Ministries
www.bloodnfire.com Olen Griffing
Shady Grove Church
www.shadygrove.org
Nolan and Heather Clark
RevivalTown
www.revivaltown.com Calling All Nations
www.callingallnations.com
PRAYER
International House of Prayer
www.ihopkc.com Eddie and Alice Smith
U.S. Prayertrack
www.usprayertrack.org
Northwest Revival Network
www.nrn.net Lou Engle
Elijah Revolution/Countercultural Dreamers
www.elijahrevolution.com
MUSIC
Bob Fitts
Bob Fitts Ministries
www.bobfitts.com Vineyard Music Group
www.vmg.com
Keith Luker
Freewind
www.freewind.org Tsunami Record Company
www.tsunamimusic.com
John G. Elliott
Galestorm Music
www.johnelliott-music.com Martin Smith
Delirious?
www.delirious.co.uk
Lamar Boschman
Worship Institute
www.worshipinstitute.com Matt Redman
Soul Survivor
www.soulsurvivor.com
WorshipMusic.com
www.worshipmusic.com Graham Ord
www.grahamord.com
Noel Richards
www.noelrichards.clara.net Brian Houston
www.brianhouston.com
OTHER
Doin - The - Stuff
www.doin-the-stuff.com Spiritual Counterfeits Project
www.scp-inc.org
Andy Comiskey
Desert Stream Ministries
www.desertstream.org Holly McClure
www.hollymcclure.com
Discipleship Journal
www.gospelcom.net/navs/NP/dj Pray! Magazine
www.gospelcom.net/navs/NP/pray
Kingsway Communications
www.kingsway.co.uk Wayne and Bonnie Wilks
Messianic Jewish Bible Institute
www.mjbi.org
Shine Magazine
www.shinemagazine.com
Brownsville School of Ministry
First Assembly of God Christian Center - Ron Hawkins
Cornerstone Fellowship - Paul and Cheryl Black
Covenant Church of Pittsburgh - Joseph Garlington
Foothills Christian Fellowship - Mark and David Hoffman
The God Chasers Network - Tommy Tenney
Heartland Community Church - Ron Allen
ICN Ministries - Dr. Michael L. Brown
JBG Ministries - Joseph Garlington
Reconciliation Ministries International l- Joseph Garlington
Covenant Church in Pittsburgh - Joseph Garlington
Larry Randolph Ministries - Larry Randolph
Mahesh Chavda Ministries Intl. - Mahesh Chavda
Ministry to the Nations - Jim Goll
Mona Vale Christian Life Centre - Terry Appel
Remnant Records - Andrew Smith
Rock City Church - Bart Pierce
Sovereign Ministries
St. Andrews Church - Rev. Dr. Mark Stibbe
Streams Ministries International - John Paul Jackson
Sue Rinaldi
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship - John Arnott
John & Carol Arnott
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship
www.tacf.org
Jill Austin
Jill Austin Ministries
www.jillaustin.org
Tom Davis
Amber Rose Music
www.amberrosemusic.com
Jack Deere
Evangelical Foundation Ministries, Inc.
www.efminc.org
Marc Dupont
Mantle of Praise Ministries, Inc.
www.mantleofpraise.org
John G. Elliott
Galestorm Music
www.johnelliott-music.com
Jim & Michal Ann Goll
Ministry to the Nations
www.mttnweb.com
Chris Harvey
Chris Harvey Ministries
www.chrisharveyministries.com
Suzanne Hinn
Benny Hinn Ministries
www.bennyhinn.org
Jane Lowder
Calvary Pentecostal Tabernacle
www.calvarycampground.org
Mickey Robinson
Seagate Ministries
www.mickeyrobinson.com
Barry & Batya Segal
Vision for Israel Ministries
Remnant of Israel Ministries
www.remnantofisrael.com
Ricky Skaggs
www.skaggsfamilyrecords.com
Robert Stearns
Eagles' Wings Ministries
www.eagleswings.to
Prophet Jim Stevens
Marion Christian Center
www.marionchristiancenter.org
Dr. John Watson
Marion Christian Center
www.marionchristiancenter.org
Silvania Machado
www.goldenrevival.com
Below are links to a variety of Christian congregations and ministries
around the world. The common theme among these organizations is their
Spirit-birthed desire that believers -- and the not-yet-saved -- experience
the fullness of an intimate, powerful relationship with God through Jesus
Christ.
Use the "back" button on your browser to return to this page.
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Selected Churches
In Revival Around the World
New Song Fellowship, Denver, Colorado
Celebration Community Church, San Jose, California
Toronto Airport Christian Fellowship, Ontario, Canada
Rock City Church, Baltimore, Maryland
Bethel Temple Assembly of God, Hampton, Virginia
Abundant Life Tabernacle, Hardeeville, South Carolina
Brownsville Assembly of God, Pensacola, Florida
Brownsville AG "Revived" (Unofficial site), Pensacola, Florida
"Sister Wood's" Brownsville AG site, Pensacola, Florida
Church of the Risen Saviour, Pittsburgh, Pennsylvania
Metro Church South, Berea (Cleveland), Ohio
The Smithton Outpouring & World Revival Church, Kansas City, Missouri
Metro Christian Fellowship, Kansas City, Missouri
(Grace Ministries - Floyd McClung, Mike Bickle)
Glory House, Austin, Texas
Harvest Rock Christian Fellowship, Pasadena, California
(Mott Auditorium - Che Ahn and Lou Engle)
River City Church, Redding, California
(representing many churches united for revival in Redding)
City Bible Church (formerly Bible Temple), Portland, Oregon
Holy Trinity Brompton, London, UK
Mount Annan Church, Sydney, Australia
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Renewal- and Revival-related Ministries
Revival Connections (northern New England, USA)
Fresh Fire Ministries (Todd Bentley, British Columbia, Canada)
Revival Fires in the Catholic Church (Msgr. Vincent Walsh,
Presentation B.V.M. Church, Wynnewood, PA)
God Chasers Network (Tommy Tenney, LA)
Northwest Revival Network, U.S. Pacific Northwest
International Revival Network
"Moving Together" renewal radio program (WCTN-AM, Maryland, USA).
Listen in over the Net!
East Coast Aflame Youth Ministries (DE)
The Lion's Heart (Bill & Barbara Cassada, CO)
Global Awakening (Randy Clark, MO)
Eagles Wings Ministries (Robert Stearns, NY)
Advancing Church Ministries (Francis Frangipane, IA)
Watch of the Lord (Mahesh & Bonnie Chavda, NC)
Friends of the Bridegroom (Mike Bickle/IHOP, MO)
RevivalNOW (Wesley & Stacey Campbell, Vancouver, BC)
Renewal Links Page
Global Resources Ministries Inc. (home of the New Wine mailing list)
Shiloh Place Ministries (Jack & Tricia Frost, SC)
Christ Life (Roman Catholic renewal - Dave Nodar)
A Great Love Ministries (Bobbie Jean Merck)
Promise Keepers
Messianic Vision (Sid Roth, GA)
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Intercession, World Evangelism, Prophetic
His Glory Ministries (prophetic intercession & worship, Centreville,
VA)
International Christian Concern (aiding persecuted believers
worldwide - Washington DC)
C.I.T.I Prayer (Christian Intercessors Together in Prayer)
(Bob Yarbrough, Manassas, VA)
Capitol Hill Prayer Alert (DC)
Covering Interstate 81 in Prayer (VA)
Streams Ministries International (John Paul Jackson, prophetic teacher
Harvest Evangelism (Ed Silvoso)
Fasting Prayer (Bill Bright)
Lighthouses of Prayer
Mission America (Lighthouses of Prayer and more)
U.S. Prayer Track (Eddie & Alice Smith)
Global Harvest Ministries (C. Peter & Doris Wagner, CO)
The World Prayer Center (Colorado Springs, CO)
Christian Information Network (Praying Through the 10/40 Window)
AD2000 & Beyond Movement
DAWN Friday Fax (weekly world missions reports)
JOEL-NEWS-INTERNATIONAL (internat'l prayer & revival news)
MorningStar Publications and Ministries (Rick Joyner, NC )
Rick & Patti Ridings (prophetic intercessors)
Christian International (prophet Bill Hamon, FL)
Generals of Intercession (Cindy & Mike Jacobs, CO)
Glory of Zion International Ministries (Chuck Pierce - World Prayer
Center director, CO)
Dutch Sheets (pastor, author of Intercessory Prayer - has a burden for
the D.C. region to experience revival)
Jill Austin Ministries (Jill Austin, prophetic teacher)
Ministry to the Nations (Jim & Michal Ann Goll, prophetic
intercessors)
Godspeak International (Teresa Seputis - testimony & prophetic
training)
Consuming Fire Ministries (Chad Taylor, prophetic intercessor)
Elijah List (Steve Shultz - prophetic messages)
Renewal/Revival Resource Sites
Partners in Harvest
Bethel Church Redding, CA
Brownsville Assembly of God Pensacola, Florida Revival - Official
Site
Celebration International Ministries Georgian Banov
Christ Lumière des Nations Paris, France
Church of the Risen Saviour Pittsburgh, PA (Bill & Melinda Fish)
Church on the Way Tonbridge, England
Folly's End Church Croydon, England (David & Ze Markee)
Glasgow Elim Church Glasgow, Scotland
Global Awakening Ministries Harrisburg, PA (Randy Clark)
Harvest Rock Church of Pasadena Pasadena, CA (Che Ahn)
Hatfield Christian Church Pretoria, South Africa
New Wine List Page Jon Reid and Jenni Baier
Oasis Church London, England (Rick & Julie Oldland)
Reaper Net
Renewal Events Page Les Yoder
Revival Ministries International Rodney Howard-Browne
Revival Now! Sunderland Sunderland, U.K. (Ken & Lois Gott)
River City Ministries Redding, CA
The Elijah Revolution Lou Engle
The Remnant International
The Watch of the Lord Mahesh Chavda Ministries Int'l
Victory Christian Center Houston, TX
Voice For Change Curtis Hinds
Other Ministries of Interest
Amarillo International House of Prayer Amarillo, Texas
Australian Mens Network John King
BigGod Ministries Inc Melanie & Dennis Morgan-Dohners
Christian Life Centre Mount Annan, Australia
City Bible Church Portland, OR
Dove Ministries Renewal Site Auckland, New Zealand
Elijah House Canada Victoria, BC
Father Heart Ministry James & Denise Jordan
Firepower Ministries International Jeff Beacham
Holy Trinity Brompton & Alpha Homepage London, UK
Lofdal Ministries Kobus Van Rensburg
Metro Christian Fellowship Kansas City, MO
New Life Vineyard Kelowna, BC
River City Vineyard Sarnia, ON
Russian Harvest Ministries
Sid Roth Ministries Sid Roth
Shiloh Place Ministries Jack Frost
Singing Waters Ministries Orangeville, ON
The Stream TV
Wholeness Ministries Bakersfield, CA
T,D, Jakes http://www.tdjakes.org/
David Matthieu P.P.
"Sensei Shaolin" <shaolin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Go ahead see with your own eyes, look at these scandalous videos:
captured in Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches:
http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
The book of Job is very ancient, however it is
depicting actual events with amazing accuracy as if
it was written during the days of infamy we are now
living in the Churches. There are Christians who came
out of the Churches of the anointing of abomination
and are now witnessing with the verse Job:1:16,
''The fire of God is fallen from heaven, and hath
burned up the sheep, and the servants, and consumed
them''. These believers are so scandalized by what
they have seen, with dedication they are warning other
believers to stay away from these wild spiritual
manifestations and false signs. These grievous events
were also foretold by the book of Revelation in these
words: ''And he doeth great wonders, so that he maketh
fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of
men, And deceiveth them that dwell on the earth by the
means of those miracles''. Day after day more
testimonials of Christians who have been exposed to the
anointing of Abomination are publicly presented to the
Christian Community. The great wind of spiritual
perdition blowing out of the wilderness as described
in Job 1: 18 is surely destroying whole congregations.
Yet inscribed through out the book of Job there are
more striking details about the curse plaguing the
Churches. Surprisingly all the torments experienced by
the believers who came out of the bewitched Sanctuaries
are described in the book of Job with ample details.
Job 4:13: In thoughts from the visions of the night,
when deep sleep falleth on men,
14: Fear came upon me, and trembling, which made all
my bones to shake.
15: Then a spirit passed before my face; the hair of
my flesh stood up:
16: It stood still, but I could not discern the form
thereof: an image was before mine eyes.
All the Christians who left the Congregations of
wonders confessed to have terrible nightmares since
the first day they received the evil anointing. In
spite of all these testimonials that can be found on
the web sites of discerning ministries, uninformed
Christians are still flocking the deceptive Churches
to receive the anointing of torment. While this
warning is also on the Christian newsgroups and
forums, multitudes of believers who do not have
access to this information, are still getting
slain by the spirits of terror.
Job:6:4: For the arrows of the Almighty are within
me, the poison whereof drinketh up my spirit: the
terrors of God do set themselves in array against
me.
Like Job, many brothers and sisters in Christ are
tormented by terrifying nightly visions and are
oppressed by unclean spirits since they attended to
evil revivals. For over five years I have been
researching the dangerous manifestations of the
Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches. I have been
in contact with many Christians who are severely
tormented by this anointing. Some believers seeking
a relief from these torments have tried all sorts
of medications without success. With sadness I recall
the words of one particular believer who explained
to me how she underwent a psychiatric treatment in
a clinic in her quest of a cure for this spiritual
curse. The unfortunate believers after receiving this
anointing are equally assaulted in the spiritual and
physical realms. I have personally observed some
weird manifestations in these ''anointed'' Churches.
Several times I have seen believers violently flapping
their hands like bird wings in a cacophonous amalgam
of bestial noises and surreal clamors. I have seen a
video of a woman who explained how the spirits she
received from her Church pulled her upward higher
and higher, forcing her to stand on the tip of her
toes until exhaustion occurred. Generally manifesting
in wild convulsions and strange utterances these
spirits are dangerously and violently projecting
believers to the floor of the Ministries of
unrighteousness. Yet this is nothing compare to
what many unfortunate Christians have been enduring
years after years. Some have been constantly hearing
voices and blasphemous songs, others are haunted by
evil and persistent thoughts. There are reports of
anointed subjects waking up from their agitated sleep
not feeling their limbs already controlled by
unrelenting entities. While the terrified subjects
stretch to regain control of their members, this often
resulted in strained muscles and atrocious pain.
Job 30:15: Terrors are turned upon me: they pursue my
soul as the wind: and my welfare passeth away as a
cloud.
16: And now my soul is poured out upon me; the days of
affliction have taken hold upon me.
17: My bones are pierced in me in the night season:
and my sinews take no rest.
Day or night the anointed subjects experience strange
wobbling of small areas of their flesh. Others in worse
conditions experience from time to time involuntary
motions of their limbs. There is one common detail found
in all these testimonials of anointed possessions, the
belly is described as the center of these unwanted
manifestations. Suffering believers have also explained
how at night the evil energy flows from this focal point
to invade their whole body. Even while praying on their
knees spiritual entities slowly start agitating in their
belly to finally shake the body of these tormented
believers. So far no matter what they do, even praying
and fasting do not stop these cruel spiritual forces to
emanate from their bowels.
Job 30:27: My bowels boiled, and rested not: the days of
affliction prevented me.
28: I went mourning without the sun: I stood up, and I
cried in the congregation.
29: I am a brother to dragons, and a companion to owls.
30: My skin is black upon me, and my bones are burned
with heat.
Song:1:6: Look not upon me, because I am black, because
the sun hath looked upon me: my mother's children were
angry with me; THEY MADE ME THE KEEPER OF THE
VINEYARDS; BUT MINE OWN VINEYARD HAVE I
NOT KEPT.
Among all their nocturnal nightmares, the tormented
believers also have recurring visions of their skin
covered with parasites, deformed with inflammation and
dermatology diseases. In spite of al these troubling
reports, Christians in great numbers are still duped and
are receiving this anointing of torment as the holy Spirit
of God. The courageous Christians who came forward, have
publicly denounced the sorcery of famous ministers still
considered by many as men of God. I strongly encourage my
readers to visit the web pages of the Christian Ministries
exposing this demonic anointing to access a compilation of
incriminating audio and video files. With the guidance of
the Lord several Pastors believed these testimonials of
spiritual torment and are presently exhorting their
congregations to stay away from the worship of the spirits
of laughter and lying wonders. Unfortunately too many
Church leaders are remaining silent to the numerous cries
of these Christians intoxicated by the spiritual venom.
Without apprehension, in all confidence multitudes of
uninformed Christians are rushing to the evil assemblies
and are receiving this noisome and grievous sore upon
themselves.
Rv:16:2: And the first went, and poured out his vial
upon the earth; and there fell a noisome and grievous
sore upon the men which had the mark of the beast, and
upon them which worshipped his image.
Job 2:7: So went Satan forth from the presence of the
LORD, and smote Job with sore boils from the sole of
his foot unto his crown.
I am sadden by the amount of fellow Christians who are
getting deceived and are misguided into captivity by
the spurious doctrines and false signs of the celebrants
of evil. In this alarming situation we need to humble
ourselves with prayers, fasting and repentance. We need
to remember how Job, the symbol of the end time
tribulation of the Church, took the sackcloth and sat
down among the ashes. Discerning readers should always
have in mind the great number of Christians who will
continue to remain enslaved by the anointing of
deception, and they should also pray for those who have
no understanding of this devastating affliction. May the
Lord soon send true prophets to deliver His people from
captivity.
Job:42:10: And the LORD turned the CAPTIVITY of Job,
when he prayed for his friends: also the LORD gave Job twice
as much as he had before.
http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/
http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Plains/7192/page4.html
twice-born child
"Mark Bassett" <mbasset@not_optonline.net> wrote in message
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> Uhoh! bad bad bad.. You ask embarassing questions.
>
> The charismatics were hoping this faded from view. However, you will find
> them come to the defense of this wackiness of you ask. Just remember, as
the
> expanse of time is put between the events of Toronto, Brownsville and
other
> places (generally associated with Vineyard and A/G churches), more effort
> will be made to accuse the one who remembers things, as they were. The
heat
> has been off for a while, as the whole thing is generally regarded to have
> crashed and burned.
>
> These articles that you are reading have been around for a long while, and
> havent changed - though the memory of the activity HAS changed, since many
> were probably hoping for time to take off the rough edges.
>
You said "The heat has been off for a while, as the whole thing is generally
regarded to have crashed and burned."
What planet do you live on?
~~~ {tbc}
Don
<nos...@nospam.net> wrote:
>Go ahead see with your own eyes, look at these scandalous videos:
>captured in Pentecostal and Charismatic Churches:
>
>http://www.bible.ca/tongues-audio-video-documentation.htm
This is amazing.
D*
Clever talk and pretentious manner are seldom compatible with benevolence.
- Confucius
Mark Bassett
"twice-born child" <zephaniah...@fuse.net> wrote in message
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Earth. One does not hear much about this anymore, but anyone who has memory
of over a few years remembers the embarassment associated with this stuff,
with the Wimber denunciation, and all the confusion in the A/G and the
Vinyard over what to make of it.
There is great, GENUINE revivial going on around the world. These other
things pass.
Sensei Shaolin
> "Sensei Shaolin" <shaolin...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
> news:b5e12349.03030...@posting.google.com...
> > I recently read that good and bad things came out of the Toronto
> > Blessing. To be honest I really did not know much about it.
> [Snip]
>
> AND NIETHER DOES ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO WROTE ALL THAT JUNK YOU LISTED, IF
> ANYBODYWANTS TO KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN IN THESE PLACES THEN THEY SHOULD
> SPEAK TO PEOPLE WHO BEEN THERE.
<snip list>
Why are you yelling? How do you know the people that wrote the
article were not there? My questions that you snipped were to those
that were actually there. Why did you feel a need to reply if my
questions didn't apply to you? I've heard Benny Hinn and other people
in his congregations make animal noises and curse people in the Name
of Jesus Christ on TV. It's all part of the show, right?
Sensei Shaolin
> news:b5e12349.03030...@posting.google.com...
> > I recently read that good and bad things came out of the Toronto
> > Blessing. To be honest I really did not know much about it.
> [Snip]
>
> AND NIETHER DOES ALL THOSE PEOPLE WHO WROTE ALL THAT JUNK YOU LISTED, IF
> ANYBODYWANTS TO KNOW WHAT REALLY HAPPEN IN THESE PLACES THEN THEY SHOULD
> SPEAK TO PEOPLE WHO BEEN THERE.
Here's a story from a person that was actually there. It makes for an
interesting read:
Wow! This is so cool! I saw the web site and showed a couple of
friends. I really liked your "red flashing lights" because that's what
I felt exactly - like WHOA!! This is some dangerous spirit here stuff.
I really hope that people will be able to see what conquers this
manifestation. Some part of me wants to go back into the church I came
out of and just start speaking the blood of Jesus over everyone
manifesting, BUT I have a feeling they'd throw me out!
One night I was there and they had a guest speaker named Curtis Hinds
from Toronto Airport. Before the service started a group of people got
in a circle in the next room over from the cafe and started
"conjuring" up these manifestations. They were so determined that they
wouldn't stop until everyone was "filled". They were howling like
wolves for 25 minutes. I was manning the cafe so I stayed there. They
were so loud that it was making my flesh crawl. I didn't go back for
any more of the night services and so Chris, my husband, had to
tolerate it for the next two nights.
One family came one Sunday morning to visit our church and brought
their little boy. Some people started howling during the praise time
and the boy got terrified. So the family left immediately and the
pastor got word of this. He wrote in his next bulletin the following
Sunday about the incident, but said that "God does things in a messy
way and sometimes there's a cost."!!! I was floored! To put this
little boy's first experiences of church and Christianity in jeopardy,
and then just make this lame excuse!
My determination is to alert unknowing Christians about what's
happening here and around the whole world. I never knew that the web
would now become the catalyst and that others will link this
testimony, too. Thanks so much for your concern and for passing this
testimony on about the power of our Lord's blood over this
counterfeit.
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Will you say "Amen" to this, TBC?
TommyDale
have very little teaching. They appeal to the new generation of lazy
Christians, who do not want to pray outside of church, visit the sick,
etc. They just want to go to "have a good time" with the worship.
The problem with these "milk fed" Christians is that they never
receive any "meat". Actually, it resembles the Corinthian church,
with the mis-use of the Gift of Tongues.
What I find more amazing is that there are people stupid enough to
believe that they need to VISIT these places to "bring revival back to
our church". If God can produce a revival in Toronto, is He not
capable of producing one in your home church? The bottom line of the
Toronto and Brownsville movements was about MONEY -- selling books,
tapes, music, etc.
Robert D. Taylor
their pockets.
Our Christ does not approve of these gimmicks to thrill the crowds. If
the Word does not thrill a person, they have something missing in their
experience with the Master....................
There is nothing more Powerful and exciting that to know the fact that our
Lord Rose from the Dead!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TommyDale wrote:
--
Isaiah 45:18
For thus saith the Lord that created the heavens; God himself
that formed the earth and made it; hath established it, he created
it not in vain, he formed it to be inhabited: I am the Lord; and
there is none else.
pablo
for about 10 years -- and wondered how bloodnfire was doing -- every
kind of church within miles and miles takes part in joining with
bloodnfire to do so much ministry in urban atlanta -- it is really
one of the most powerful ministries i have ever known.
also, the scp link was cool - i used to get their publication -- they
have the best writers and do such a needed work.
thanks for hooking me up.
oh and you might want to add another stream that flows -- more from
the vineyard front -- but that is servant evangelism -- sjogren in
cinnci began that amazing style of missions that had spread all across
denominational and ideological lines.
peace and thanks,
pablo
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> wow tbc thanks for the links -- i have really been away from atlanta
> for about 10 years -- and wondered how bloodnfire was doing -- every
> kind of church within miles and miles takes part in joining with
> bloodnfire to do so much ministry in urban atlanta -- it is really
> one of the most powerful ministries i have ever known.
>
> also, the scp link was cool - i used to get their publication -- they
> have the best writers and do such a needed work.
>
> thanks for hooking me up.
>
> oh and you might want to add another stream that flows -- more from
> the vineyard front -- but that is servant evangelism -- sjogren in
> cinnci began that amazing style of missions that had spread all across
> denominational and ideological lines.
>
> peace and thanks,
> pablo
Thanks,
The African evangelist that was preaching in a town north of here for the
last three weeks started meetings here in my hometown last night. Pastors
from six or more churches were in attendance and the meeting was great. I'm
hoping to go again tonight.
Peace and love from southern Ohio
~~~ {tbc}
pablo
should be there tonight but snow and sleet delayed my travel.
i read an article about the anglican church having to deal with the
growth of the the african church -- which is booming -- and the
article concluded that africa may be the center of christianity for
the next generations to come -- i think loren cunningham has a book on
the matter as well -- saw him on benny hinn and he was talking about a
view that china and some african nations are growing in great revival
of salvation. i think he saw china coming to christian prominence. i
welcome it. too long has our faith seemed to be the "white man's"
religion.
p.s. one of my teachers along the way was an arnold schwartzenager
look a like from rhodesia.
who's the speaker -- the fasting teacher? he inspires me to no end
but his name escapes me. last i heard he was making a trip through
the states.
much love,
pablo
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> yeah, that sounds great -- i'm off to an evangelism conference --
> should be there tonight but snow and sleet delayed my travel.
>
> i read an article about the anglican church having to deal with the
> growth of the the african church -- which is booming -- and the
> article concluded that africa may be the center of christianity for
> the next generations to come -- i think loren cunningham has a book on
> the matter as well -- saw him on benny hinn and he was talking about a
> view that china and some african nations are growing in great revival
> of salvation. i think he saw china coming to christian prominence. i
> welcome it. too long has our faith seemed to be the "white man's"
> religion.
>
Yes, the Anglican Church has been a source of revival. The fire spread from
Toronto to England and took root in the Anglican Church. Pray for Africa
because the need is great. The Lord spoke a prophetic word thru me to a team
of ministers going to Africa a couple years ago. The pastor's wife of
Brownsville AoG, Brenda Kirkpatrick was in the group and because she later
wanted to thank me, I was able to meet this kind and gracious woman of God.
I only know of Loren Cunninham from Keith Green's biography, "No Compromise"
.
I had a friend who traveled to China with Nora Lamb and became friends with
her over the years. Truly the gospel is flooding the nations of the world
but in the first chapter of act the word used for nation means ethnic group.
In the months ahead we will see some interesting development in both nations
of the world and in our own ethnic groups right here in America.
I was raised as a Zionist.
Love and peace be multiplied to you,
~~~ {tbc}
