Bible Study on John 1, 1-18 - anybody?
::: veralein :::
Bible Study on John 1, 1-18
Hi my friends,
I am trying to do a Bible Study on John 1, 1-18, and this is the text:
In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word
was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made
through him. Without him was not anything made that has been made. In
him was life, and the life was the light of men. The light shines in the
darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it. There came a man, sent
from God, whose name was John. The same came as a witness, that he might
testify about the light, that all might believe through him. He was not
the light, but was sent that he might testify about the light. The true
light that enlightens everyone was coming into the world. He was in the
world, and the world was made through him, and the world didn't
recognize him. He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
receive him. But as many as received him, to them he gave the right to
become God's children, to those who believe in his name: who were born
not of blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but
of God. The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his glory,
such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace and
truth. John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This was he of
whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he was before
me.'" From his fullness we all received grace upon grace. For the law
was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through Jesus Christ. No
one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son, who is in the bosom
of the Father, he has declared him. (John 1:1-18)
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Any input from you is welcome. Some questions about the text below (I
am using "The World English Bible", because it is free of any copyright
restrictions, and I think the translation is quite good):
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(John 1:1 WEB) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
and the Word was God.
What do you think is meant by "In the beginning"? Is there a relation to
Genesis?
"The word was God" - I think that is a really difficult phrase to
understand. How can the Word be God?
(John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and be
with God?
(John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
anything made that has been made.
Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
(John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
In "him"? Who is "he"?
(John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't
overcome it.
Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
What is really meant there?
(John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
I think that was John the Baptist.
(John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify about
the light, that all might believe through him.
(John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might testify
about the light.
But John the Baptist was not the light.
(John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into
the world.
God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
(John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through him,
and the world didn't recognize him.
Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right? But I wonder why
people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
(John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
receive him.
Who is meant there?
(John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the right
to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
(John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is still
the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is this
possible today?
And are we not all automatically God's children?
(John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
grace and truth.
"The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
(John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he
was before me.'"
(John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
(John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
came through Jesus Christ.
Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
(John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son,
who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
How has he declared him?
And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
Christ God ?
Peace to everybody,
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Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Literally in the beginning.
> Is there a relation to
> Genesis?
Same reference point of "In the beginning."
> "The word was God" - I think that is a really difficult phrase to
> understand. How can the Word be God?
GOD "spoke" all things into existence. What are spoken are words.
This means GOD has a word for everything that exists. This would
include the Word HE has for HIMSELF.
> (John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
>
> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and be
> with God?
When GOD spoke the Word that HE has for HIMSELF, HE begat HIS Son.
> (John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
> anything made that has been made.
>
> Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
They are One and the Same.
"I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
> (John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>
> In "him"? Who is "he"?
The Word, Who is GOD's Son.
> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't
> overcome it.
>
> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
> What is really meant there?
The darkness represents the unbelieving world.
> (John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
>
> I think that was John the Baptist.
Correct.
> (John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify about
> the light, that all might believe through him.
> (John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might testify
> about the light.
>
> But John the Baptist was not the light.
Correct.
> (John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into
> the world.
>
> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
"I am the way, the **truth**, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through him,
> and the world didn't recognize him.
>
> Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right?
Right. This is how we know that the prophesies of Revelation have not
come to pass.
> But I wonder why
> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
Many did and have. It is written that satan has sown weed among HIS
wheat.
> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
> receive him.
>
> Who is meant there?
The living Word of GOD, Who is the Son of GOD.
> (John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the right
> to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
> (John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>
> This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is still
> the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is this
> possible today?
Yes. It is possible for those who believe in HIS name, Jesus, the
living Word of GOD.
> And are we not all automatically God's children?
No. Such is the tragedy of the original sin.
> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
> grace and truth.
>
> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
GOD the Son became the Son of Man.
> (John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
> was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he
> was before me.'"
> (John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
> (John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
> came through Jesus Christ.
>
> Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
>
> (John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son,
> who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
>
> How has he declared him?
Declarations are made with words. Jesus is the living Word of GOD.
> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
> Christ God ?
Most definitely.
> Peace to everybody,
And to you, dear Vera.
May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
our deadly sins.
Amen ! ! !
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
SkumTaht
>
>> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>> Christ God ?
>
> Most definitely.
>
>> Peace to everybody,
>
> And to you, dear Vera.
>
> May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
> these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
> Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
> our deadly sins.
>
> Amen ! ! !
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
>
>
What the hell is this? This is a bloody cardiology group, NOT a bible bashing group! Are you blind? Go
and post that shit in some other group, NOT here, we are trying to keep that sort of crap out of this group,
which is virtually impossible by the looks of the posts.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> >> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
> >> Christ God ?
> >
> > Most definitely.
> >
> >> Peace to everybody,
> >
> > And to you, dear Vera.
> >
> > May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
> > these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
> > Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
> > our deadly sins.
> >
> > Amen ! ! !
>
The truth.
> This is a bloody cardiology group,
This is a cardiology group and both the LORD and I are cardiologists.
Indeed, the LORD has taught me everything I know :-)
> NOT a bible bashing group!
We are not bashing the Bible. Instead, we are glorifying the Word of
GOD.
> Are you blind?
No.
> Go and post that shit in some other group, NOT here, we are trying to keep that sort of crap out of this group,
> which is virtually impossible by the looks of the posts.
Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Billy
::: veralein :::
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <and...@heartmdphd.com> typed:
Interesting, Andrew.
There must be words we do not even know:
I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I don't
know, or whether out of the body, I don't know; God knows), such a one
caught up into the third heaven. I know such a man (whether in the body,
or outside of the body, I don't know; God knows), how he was caught up
into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a
man to utter. (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
>> (John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
>>
>> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and
>> be with God?
>
> When GOD spoke the Word that HE has for HIMSELF, HE begat HIS Son.
Very interesting, but also very difficult to understand. It is on a
Spiritual level. So we who have the Spirit can grasp what it means, but
only part of it. But fact is there are words in this world, too, and I
have not heard them, and if I did, I would not understand them. Yet they
have a meaning.
>> (John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
>> anything made that has been made.
>>
>> Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
>
> They are One and the Same.
>
> "I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
Amen.
>> (John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>>
>> In "him"? Who is "he"?
>
> The Word, Who is GOD's Son.
I agree.
>> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
>> hasn't overcome it.
>>
>> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
>> What is really meant there?
>
> The darkness represents the unbelieving world.
Yes, in this context. It also represents Satan and his minions.
>> (John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
>>
>> I think that was John the Baptist.
>
> Correct.
>
>> (John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify
>> about the light, that all might believe through him.
>> (John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might
>> testify about the light.
>>
>> But John the Baptist was not the light.
>
> Correct.
>
>> (John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming
>> into the world.
>>
>> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
>
> "I am the way, the **truth**, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
So true.
>> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through
>> him, and the world didn't recognize him.
>>
>> Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right?
>
> Right. This is how we know that the prophesies of Revelation have not
> come to pass.
True, because...
For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord, 'to me every knee will
bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'" (Romans 14:11)
>> But I wonder why
>> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
>
> Many did and have. It is written that satan has sown weed among HIS
> wheat.
Oh, I see.
>> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
>> receive him.
>>
>> Who is meant there?
>
> The living Word of GOD, Who is the Son of GOD.
Jesus Christ, yes.
>> (John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the
>> right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
>> (John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
>> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>>
>> This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is
>> still the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is
>> this possible today?
>
> Yes. It is possible for those who believe in HIS name, Jesus, the
> living Word of GOD.
Most people do not know how to "believe". Maybe this can help:
"The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is, the
word of faith, which we preach: that if you will confess with your mouth
the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from the
dead, you will be saved. For with the heart, one believes unto
righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation. For
the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be disappointed."
For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord is
Lord of all, and is rich to all who call on him. For, "Whoever will call
on the name of the Lord will be saved." How then will they call on him
in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom they
have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? And how will they
preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the
feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of
good things!" But they didn't all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah
says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" So faith comes by hearing,
and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:8-17)
>> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>
> No. Such is the tragedy of the original sin.
Many people think they are God's children but are not. The only way to
be forgiven is by believing in Jesus Christ.
>> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
>> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
>> grace and truth.
>>
>> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>
> GOD the Son became the Son of Man.
So God came down to earth.
>> (John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
>> was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for
>> he was before me.'"
>> (John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
>> (John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
>> came through Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
>>
>> (John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only
>> Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
>>
>> How has he declared him?
>
> Declarations are made with words. Jesus is the living Word of GOD.
But the words must be heard with the Holy Spirit if we want to
understand them, and then they can be understood. Maybe this was easier
when Jesus was here on earth.
People today can ask God to help them understand, and He will reveal
Himself. I think most people do not reckon with that. But God is real,
and God is alive!
>> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>> Christ God ?
>
> Most definitely.
I agree.
>> Peace to everybody,
>
> And to you, dear Vera.
Thank you, Andrew.
> May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
> these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
> Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
> our deadly sins.
>
> Amen ! ! !
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Be blessed in your daily walk in Him,
Paul Weaver
<vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>Bible Study on John 1, 1-18
>
Note: this is kind of long. All scriptural reference is in the King
James version, for it's what I am familiar with.
>(John 1:1 WEB) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God,
>and the Word was God.
>
>What do you think is meant by "In the beginning"? Is there a relation to
>Genesis?
>
What is the beginning? Or more appropriately, Who is the beginning?
Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) In our limited
human brain, we can only think in terms of known time. It can be
rather difficult for us to concieve the idea of what exactly is the
beginning of all things, the beginning of all time. In real simple,
biblical terms, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
Almighty." (Rev 1:8)
Genesis 1:1 denotes the beginning of creation as we know it, as we
understand it. John 1:1 denotes the beginning of everything, which is
none other than God.
>"The word was God" - I think that is a really difficult phrase to
>understand. How can the Word be God?
>
>(John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
>
>It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and be
>with God?
>
How can the God that you worship dwell in you, and the God that you
worship dwell in me, in both of us at the same time? When you speak,
is it your physical mouth that emits the words? When you speak, are
those words with you at that moment in time? From Genesis to Malachi,
the Old Testament is filled with the spoken word of God about the
coming Christ, the Messiah, Emmanuel. Jesus, whom John denotes as
being the Word, who was God and who was with God, is the fulfilled
spoken word of God.
>(John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
>anything made that has been made.
>
>Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
>
Jehovah God, the great I AM THAT I AM, as spoken to Moses from the
burning bush (Exo 3:14), In the beginning God created (Gen 1:1). The
Word is the Creator (John 1:1). Then again, Jesus Christ is the
Creator, "For by Him were all things created" (Col 1:16), as written
about Jesus by the Apostle Paul.
>(John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>
>In "him"? Who is "he"?
>
"I am come a light into the world" (John 12:46), as spoken by none
other than Jesus himself.
>(John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't
>overcome it.
>
>Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
>What is really meant there?
>
Without the guidence of the Spirit, who and how many actually
understand the Light? "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
>(John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
>
>I think that was John the Baptist.
>
Yes, the voice of one crying in the wilderness (Isaiah 40:3).
>(John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify about
>the light, that all might believe through him.
>(John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might testify
>about the light.
>
>But John the Baptist was not the light.
>
No, he was not the Light. He was here to point his fellow man to the
Light, which he did quite well. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh
away the sin of the world (John 1:29)", as spoken by John the Baptist.
>(John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming into
>the world.
>
>God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
>
Let me throw this in here, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
light unto my path " (Psalms 119:105). Word, word, lamp, light, the
Light. The Word is my Light, the Lamp to light the darkness that
surrounds me.
>(John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through him,
>and the world didn't recognize him.
>
Unfortunately, the world still doesn't recognize him. That's where we
come in. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is
come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,
and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the
earth (Acts 1:8)." It is our purpose in Christ to present the Light
to our known world.
>Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right? But I wonder why
>people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
>
Why don't they believe Him now? (Hint: think about Adam and Eve and
the forbidden fruit.)
>(John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
>receive him.
>
>Who is meant there?
>
Israel. The Jews. And, very possibly to those who claim to be His own
in this present time. I mean, especially here in the US, there are a
lot of people who claim to be Christian. God knows their hearts. We
must present the Light. Jesus tells us, "Let your light so shine
before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father
which is in heaven. (Matt 5:16)"
>(John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the right
>to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
>(John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
>flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>
"Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7)",
as spoken by Jesus. Again hint: Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit.
I came into this world, born of flesh and blood, flesh and blood that
is bound by sin, separated from God by that sin. But, praise God, I
met the Light! My spirit has been born into the likeness of Christ,
not by the fleshly birth of my humanity, but by the Spirit of the
living God.
>This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is still
>the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is this
>possible today?
>
"For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that
are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call (Acts
2:39).," as stated by the Apostle Peter. What promise? "But wait for
the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)," as spoken by Jesus. The
Comforter. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the
Father will send in my name (John 14:26)," as spoken by Jesus.
"But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
shall testify of me (John 15:26)," again spoken by Jesus. And now we
are back to the Spirit of truth, who will gude us into all truth.
>And are we not all automatically God's children?
>
No, we are not. Again, hint: Adam and Eve and the fruit.
>(John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
>glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
>grace and truth.
>
>"The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>
It means the Word, who was God, took on human form as the Son of man,
or simply flesh.
>(John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
>was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he
>was before me.'"
>(John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
>(John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
>came through Jesus Christ.
>
>Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
>
But, who do you say that He is? Who do you believe that He is? This is
a question that we will all answer someday. Let's look at the answer
that Peter gave, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matt
16:16)." And what was the response of Jesus? "Blessed art thou, Simon
Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
Father which is in heaven (Matt 16:17)." And here we are again,
"Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into
all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
>(John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only Son,
>who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
>
>How has he declared him?
>
"Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ
(Acts 2:36)." Today, we let the whole world know that God has made
this same Jesus, who was killed that we may live, both Lord and
Christ!
>And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>Christ God ?
>
"For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6)."
The prophet Isaiah said He, Jesus Christ, the son that was given to
us, is the Mighty God.
Jesus instructed his disciples to preach the gospel to every creature.
He instructed them to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son
and the Holy Spirit. During the outpouring of the Spirit as documented
in Acts 2, after Peter's presentation of the ressurected Jesus, the
question was asked, What shall we do? Peter answered to repent and be
baptized in the name of Jesus and receive the Holy Spirit. Did Peter
make a mistake? Or, did Peter really know who Jesus was? "Blessed art
thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto
thee, but my Father which is in heaven (Matt 16:17)."
"And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
Jesus" (Col 3:17)," as written by the Apostle Paul.
So, let me finish by asking another question. What is the name of the
Father? (Okay, three more questions then!) What is the name of the
Son? And, finally, what is the name of the Holy Spirit?
Yes, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning (the very first
question presented in this thread) and the end. He is Emmanuel,
Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, the I AM, Jehovah, Comforter,
Spirit of Christ, Redeemer, Savior, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the
Mighty God, Everlasting Father, the Word, the Light, the Lion of the
tribe of Judah, Spirit of Truth...
But who do you say that I, the Son of man, am?
In the words of Thomas the doubter, this is my response, "My Lord and
my God". That is who and what I believe Christ to be to and for me.
But, you must answer that question for yourself. I can tell you who I
believe Christ to be, as I have done. It is now between you, the
reader and God, or better known as the work of the Holy Spirit.
And here we are again, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
I must apologize for the length of this reply, but when I begin to
speak about the Lord Jesus Christ...
May God bless you so richly with His Spirit and His love,
Paul Weaver
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Indeed :-)
> There must be words we do not even know:
>
> I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I don't
> know, or whether out of the body, I don't know; God knows), such a one
> caught up into the third heaven. I know such a man (whether in the body,
> or outside of the body, I don't know; God knows), how he was caught up
> into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful for a
> man to utter. (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
There is much we don't know. An infinite amount of things and words.
Just some of the many treasures the LORD has stored up for us. Looking
forward to spending the rest of eternity with HIM. We certainly won't
be bored :-)
Our manifold more abundant lives since walking with HIM here in this
world is simply a preview of what is to come.
> >> (John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
> >>
> >> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and
> >> be with God?
> >
> > When GOD spoke the Word that HE has for HIMSELF, HE begat HIS Son.
>
> Very interesting, but also very difficult to understand.
HE makes it possible. It is written that what is impossible for man is
possible for GOD.
> It is on a
> Spiritual level. So we who have the Spirit can grasp what it means, but
> only part of it. But fact is there are words in this world, too, and I
> have not heard them, and if I did, I would not understand them. Yet they
> have a meaning.
But no power.
> >> (John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
> >> anything made that has been made.
> >>
> >> Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
> >
> > They are One and the Same.
> >
> > "I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
>
> Amen.
>
> >> (John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
> >>
> >> In "him"? Who is "he"?
> >
> > The Word, Who is GOD's Son.
>
> I agree.
>
> >> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
> >> hasn't overcome it.
> >>
> >> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
> >> What is really meant there?
> >
> > The darkness represents the unbelieving world.
>
> Yes, in this context. It also represents Satan and his minions.
Yes, satan and his minions have been authorized to wander about in this
world to-and-fro wreaking havoc except where GOD has placed hedges of
protection (Job).
They struggle to keep the unbelievers in there unbelief while they
themselves actually believe.
So there is a dual nature to the darkness:
(1) There are satanic forces trying to overcome Christianity but it has
been prophesied that they will fail (Revelation).
(2) The unbelievers who have been enslaved by the satanic forces lack
an understanding of Christianity.
> >> (John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
> >>
> >> I think that was John the Baptist.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >> (John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify
> >> about the light, that all might believe through him.
> >> (John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might
> >> testify about the light.
> >>
> >> But John the Baptist was not the light.
> >
> > Correct.
> >
> >> (John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming
> >> into the world.
> >>
> >> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
> >
> > "I am the way, the **truth**, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>
> So true.
The truth.
> >> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through
> >> him, and the world didn't recognize him.
> >>
> >> Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right?
> >
> > Right. This is how we know that the prophesies of Revelation have not
> > come to pass.
>
> True, because...
>
> For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord, 'to me every knee will
> bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'" (Romans 14:11)
Clearly, as we look around here on usenet, this has not happened yet by
a longshot. There are folks like Mark T, who say they are Christian
but it is clear they are not saved at this time (this does not mean
they never will be saved).
(Now, here in the Bible Belt of the United States, which is one nation
under GOD, it is easy to be lulled into complacency thinking that we
should be satisfied that most people around here worship the LORD
Almighty GOD).
> >> But I wonder why
> >> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
> >
> > Many did and have. It is written that satan has sown weed among HIS
> > wheat.
>
> Oh, I see.
LORD Jesus will be returning with that unquenchable fire for the weeds.
> >> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
> >> receive him.
> >>
> >> Who is meant there?
> >
> > The living Word of GOD, Who is the Son of GOD.
>
> Jesus Christ, yes.
Amen.
Let us continue to pray on their behalf, out of our love for them, a
love that comes from our love for LORD Jesus Christ.
> >> And are we not all automatically God's children?
> >
> > No. Such is the tragedy of the original sin.
>
> Many people think they are God's children but are not. The only way to
> be forgiven is by believing in Jesus Christ.
It is as written a narrow path and not the wide meandering path that
most other folks are currently travelling on.
> >> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
> >> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
> >> grace and truth.
> >>
> >> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
> >
> > GOD the Son became the Son of Man.
>
> So God came down to earth.
On a rescue mission to save HIS sheep :-)
> >> (John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
> >> was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for
> >> he was before me.'"
> >> (John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
> >> (John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
> >> came through Jesus Christ.
> >>
> >> Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
> >>
> >> (John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only
> >> Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
> >>
> >> How has he declared him?
> >
> > Declarations are made with words. Jesus is the living Word of GOD.
>
> But the words must be heard with the Holy Spirit if we want to
> understand them, and then they can be understood. Maybe this was easier
> when Jesus was here on earth.
Actually, when Christ Jesus walked here on the earth, the twelve had a
tough time understanding. It is easier for us now because we have the
written Word of GOD, we are on this side of the cross looking back, and
we have the Holy Spirit, Who was not available for HIS followers
outside of the twelve until after Jesus' ascension.
> People today can ask God to help them understand, and He will reveal
> Himself.
Without placing their faith in LORD Jesus Christ first, there can never
be an understanding.
> I think most people do not reckon with that. But God is real,
> and God is alive!
Without any doubt. HE has even appeared in our midst here on usenet !
In truth, most assuredly, I know GOD to be kind, just, and right.
> >> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
> >> Christ God ?
> >
> > Most definitely.
>
> I agree.
The unity comes from the Holy Spirit through the infinite love that
LORD Jesus Christ has for each of us.
> >> Peace to everybody,
> >
> > And to you, dear Vera.
>
> Thank you, Andrew.
You are welcome.
All thanks and praises to GOD, Whom we love with all of our beings.
> > May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
> > these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
> > Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
> > our deadly sins.
> >
> > Amen ! ! !
>
> Be blessed in your daily walk in Him,
>
> ::: vera :::
Many thanks and praises to our LORD for your kind wishes.
May GOD continue to keep HIS hedge of protection around you and yours,
dear Vera whom I love, in Jesus' invincible, infinitely powerful, and
most holy name.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Al
> > Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD wrote:
>> > >
>> > > Did not attempt exorcism.
>> > >
Wanna bet, Chung? Here's EXACTLY what you said:
"In the infinitely powerful and holy name of LORD Jesus Christ, I
command you, demon, to come out and leave Philip before our LORD
personally destroys you. "
Chung caught in a boldfaced lie!
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1149912729.1...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> ::: veralein ::: wrote:
>> Bible Study on John 1, 1-18
Don't bother studying it - it's just nonsense that was made up by arrogant
sociopaths at a time of little knowledge, in order to feign authority, and
to manipulate the common people of the period.
Discard it.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Actually, what is described here in the Holy Bible fits with the
contemporary "Theory of Everything" (aka String Theory). Every word
that comes from the mouth of GOD would be a "Cosmic String" that would
lead to a new creation.
The only way John could have gotten this knowledge about the Word of
GOD is from the Source of all knowledge and wisdom, LORD GOD Almighty,
Creator of everything :-)
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Kurt.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
P.S. For those who believe I have been untruthful when writing that
there has been no **attempt** by me to exorcise Philip's demon:
(1) It was my choice to pray in Jesus' name on Philip's behalf
concerning the demon.
(2) GOD's immediate answer to (1) was to use me as HIS instrument to
command that the demon depart from Philip.
(3) Because the demon has departed, this event was not an **attempt**
but an actual exorcism not by me but by LORD GOD Almighty.
Kurt Gavin
Kurt Gavin
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1149982881.1...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> Actually, what is described here in the Holy Bible fits with the
> contemporary "Theory of Everything" (aka String Theory). Every word
> that comes from the mouth of GOD would be a "Cosmic String" that would
> lead to a new creation.
>
> The only way John could have gotten this knowledge about the Word of
> GOD is from the Source of all knowledge and wisdom, LORD GOD Almighty,
> Creator of everything :-)
Really?
Well then, with your insights and talking with "god", you should have been
able to make discoveries in physics, and inventions, that easily made you a
rich Nobel winner.
Chunkers,,, are you a Nobel winner? Do you have any revolutionary
inventions? Have you even published in research physics?
No, no, and no Chunkers. So much for biblical string theory and other
insights into the physical world.
What you ARE, is a deluded fool, too weak to pull himself out of his
christian fundamentalist septic tank.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
> news:1149982881.1...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>
> > Actually, what is described here in the Holy Bible fits with the
> > contemporary "Theory of Everything" (aka String Theory). Every word
> > that comes from the mouth of GOD would be a "Cosmic String" that would
> > lead to a new creation.
> >
> > The only way John could have gotten this knowledge about the Word of
> > GOD is from the Source of all knowledge and wisdom, LORD GOD Almighty,
> > Creator of everything :-)
>
> Really?
Yes.
> Well then, with your insights and talking with "god", you should have been
> able to make discoveries in physics, and inventions, that easily made you a
> rich Nobel winner.
Nobel winners are not rich.
> Chunkers,,, are you a Nobel winner?
Who knows what GOD has planned for the future but GOD?
> Do you have any revolutionary
> inventions?
Yes.
> Have you even published in research physics?
No.
> No, no, and no Chunkers.
Wrong, neighbor.
> So much for biblical string theory and other insights into the physical world.
You remind me of the chigger who would shake its limbs defiantly at the
elephant.
> What you ARE, is a deluded fool, too weak to pull himself out of his
> christian fundamentalist septic tank.
Without the LORD, your opinions remain meaningless (Ecclesiastes).
To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
Paul Weaver
<nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote:
>There is much we don't know. An infinite amount of things and words.
>Just some of the many treasures the LORD has stored up for us. Looking
>forward to spending the rest of eternity with HIM. We certainly won't
>be bored :-)
>
>Our manifold more abundant lives since walking with HIM here in this
>world is simply a preview of what is to come.
>
Please allow me to inject a thought here. In this present time, we
see Christ only through our faith in Him. But, praise God, one day, we
will see Him as He is. They talk of seeing our loved ones again. They
speak of no more pain, no more tears. A place where the Lamb is the
Light. Think about it for a moment, we will be in the direct presence
of our Lord and Savior, forever. There are so many things that I want
to speak to Jesus about when I see Him face to face. On that day, we
will understand all things as they are, as they are meant to be. To
always be in His direct presence, forever, with no interruptions. Oh
how I long for heaven.
May God bless you richly,
Paul Weaver
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:1149982881.1...@y43g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>
>> > Actually, what is described here in the Holy Bible fits with the
>> > contemporary "Theory of Everything" (aka String Theory). Every word
>> > that comes from the mouth of GOD would be a "Cosmic String" that would
>> > lead to a new creation.
>> >
>> > The only way John could have gotten this knowledge about the Word of
>> > GOD is from the Source of all knowledge and wisdom, LORD GOD Almighty,
>> > Creator of everything :-)
>>
>> Really?
>
> Yes.
;-)) ... of course....
>
>> Well then, with your insights and talking with "god", you should have
>> been
>> able to make discoveries in physics, and inventions, that easily made you
>> a
>> rich Nobel winner.
>
> Nobel winners are not rich.
Andrew, your mind is obviously slipping away.
They get substantial Nobel cash awards, and many have have valuable patents
acquired in the course of their work.
Anybody "all knowing" about the physical world would have no problem
generating inventions and patents that would make them wealthy.
>
>> Chunkers,,, are you a Nobel winner?
>
> Who knows what GOD has planned for the future but GOD?
>
>> Do you have any revolutionary
>> inventions?
>
> Yes.
You mean the 2 pound diet? Or have you invented something else?
>
>> Have you even published in research physics?
>
> No.
>
>> No, no, and no Chunkers.
>
> Wrong, neighbor.
>
>> So much for biblical string theory and other insights into the physical
>> world.
>
> You remind me of the chigger who would shake its limbs defiantly at the
> elephant.
What a laugh.
You are dysfunctional cult fantasist who repeatedly makes claims that he
can't support.
You wouldn't make a pimple on a real scientist's or PHYSICIAN's ass.
Go back to your smelly fat fundamentalists. You only show what a pitiful
fool you are when you try to compete with people who are capable of living
in the real world.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> Subject: miscreant chung
Name-calling remains a tell for those who have satan's mark emblazoned
across their foreheads.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
Still praying for your poor enlaved soul, dear Kurt.
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>
>> Subject: miscreant chung
Yes, that IS the subject.
If you want to feel at home, leave newsgroups used by normal people and go
back to your fat smelly fundamentalist hog trough.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Sorry these posts bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
iniquities.
To understand this exchange, simply surf the link below my sig.
Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Kurt.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"Paul Weaver" <pwe...@kconline.com> wrote in message
news:4dvm82ltpfe117hvg...@4ax.com...
Me too
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Me three :-)
Many thanks and praises to GOD for our unity with the Holy Spirit
through Jesus' infinite love for us.
All the glory is HIS forever.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Many thanks and praises to GOD for your kind and generous heart.
May GOD continue to bless you and yours today and everyday, dear Paul
whom I love, in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten Son, LORD
Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer terribly and die horribly on the
cross in order to save us from our deadly sins.
Amen ! ! !
Marana tha !
::: veralein :::
Let us make it four!
> Many thanks and praises to GOD for our unity with the Holy Spirit
> through Jesus' infinite love for us.
Amen.
> All the glory is HIS forever.
Yes, so let us praise the Lord!
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia, USA
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Be blessed,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
>
>
> ::: vera :::
>
> --
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We are truly blessed :-)
"For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with
them." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:20)
Do you hear all the howling going on outside?
Must be all the demons wailing in anticipation of LORD Jesus Christ's
return as the Lion on that day of HIS judgment.
They know, they believe, and they are doomed.
Marana tha !
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Kurt Gavin
> Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
>> news:1150044876.6...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
>> > Kurt Gavin wrote:
>> >
>> >> Subject: miscreant chung
>>
>> Yes, that IS the subject.
>>
>> If you want to feel at home, leave newsgroups used by normal people and
>> go
>> back to your fat smelly fundamentalist hog trough.
>
> Sorry these posts bother you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.
You are like a chihuahua seeking doggy biscuits from a non-existent master.
You leave your gross droppings all over the newsgroups.
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
Cowards don't use their real names on usenet.
> Slip sliding away, slip sliding away.
It remains my choice to continue walking with Christ, whom I love with
all my heart, soul, mind and strength.
To understand this, simply surf the link below my sig.
You will be in my prayers, dear neighbor.
::: veralein :::
Paul Weaver <pwe...@kconline.com> typed:
> On Sat, 10 Jun 2006 04:42:55 +0200, " ::: veralein :::"
> <vera...@lycos.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> Bible Study on John 1, 1-18
>>
>
> Note: this is kind of long. All scriptural reference is in the King
> James version, for it's what I am familiar with.
Thank you very much for your excellent and detailed answer, Paul. I love
the King James Version, too.
>> (John 1:1 WEB) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with
>> God, and the Word was God.
>>
>> What do you think is meant by "In the beginning"? Is there a
>> relation to Genesis?
>>
>
> What is the beginning? Or more appropriately, Who is the beginning?
> Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) In our limited
> human brain, we can only think in terms of known time. It can be
> rather difficult for us to concieve the idea of what exactly is the
> beginning of all things, the beginning of all time. In real simple,
> biblical terms, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
> saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
> Almighty." (Rev 1:8)
He even says this three times, again in Revelation 21:6, "He said to me,
"It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the End. I
will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the water of
life" and in Revelation 22:13, "I am the Alpha and the Omega, the First
and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
So there is a very strong emphasis on that passage. It is also important
to see that it is Jesus speaking through John there. So it all started
with Jesus, and it will end with Jesus.
> Genesis 1:1 denotes the beginning of creation as we know it, as we
> understand it. John 1:1 denotes the beginning of everything, which is
> none other than God.
This makes it a little clearer, yet I think we will never really
understand it, because we are too much restricted. With the beginning of
the creation the time as we know it started, and nobody can imagine what
it might be outside of the construct of this.
>> "The word was God" - I think that is a really difficult phrase to
>> understand. How can the Word be God?
>>
>> (John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
>>
>> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and
>> be with God?
>>
>
> How can the God that you worship dwell in you, and the God that you
> worship dwell in me, in both of us at the same time? When you speak,
> is it your physical mouth that emits the words? When you speak, are
> those words with you at that moment in time? From Genesis to Malachi,
> the Old Testament is filled with the spoken word of God about the
> coming Christ, the Messiah, Emmanuel. Jesus, whom John denotes as
> being the Word, who was God and who was with God, is the fulfilled
> spoken word of God.
Well said. God is everywhere. He is outside of our world, and inside at
the same time, presented by His Spirit.
>> (John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was not
>> anything made that has been made.
>>
>> Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
>>
>
> Jehovah God, the great I AM THAT I AM, as spoken to Moses from the
> burning bush (Exo 3:14), In the beginning God created (Gen 1:1). The
> Word is the Creator (John 1:1). Then again, Jesus Christ is the
> Creator, "For by Him were all things created" (Col 1:16), as written
> about Jesus by the Apostle Paul.
So there is just one God in three persons, who has always been the same.
>> (John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>>
>> In "him"? Who is "he"?
>>
>
> "I am come a light into the world" (John 12:46), as spoken by none
> other than Jesus himself.
Agreed.
>> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
>> hasn't overcome it.
>>
>> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood" it.
>> What is really meant there?
>>
>
> Without the guidence of the Spirit, who and how many actually
> understand the Light? "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
> he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
I am longing fot that.
>> (John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was John.
>>
>> I think that was John the Baptist.
>>
>
> Yes, the voice of one crying in the wilderness (Isaiah 40:3).
Really, Isaiah saw John the Baptist already...
John the Baptist's life was rather interesting. He was called into the
Lord's services before he was born, and ended up beheaded. God meant
everything to him.
>> (John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify
>> about the light, that all might believe through him.
>> (John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might
>> testify about the light.
>>
>> But John the Baptist was not the light.
>>
>
> No, he was not the Light. He was here to point his fellow man to the
> Light, which he did quite well. "Behold the Lamb of God, which taketh
> away the sin of the world (John 1:29)", as spoken by John the Baptist.
Oh yes, I see.
>> (John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming
>> into the world.
>>
>> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
>>
> Let me throw this in here, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
> light unto my path " (Psalms 119:105). Word, word, lamp, light, the
> Light. The Word is my Light, the Lamp to light the darkness that
> surrounds me.
In Germany we have a song about this Psalm. I found the English version
and a midi there:
http://www.walkthroughlife.com/midis/christian/thyword.htm. It is a
beautiful song. Too bad I did not find an mp3, but maybe this midi might
do.
Light was the the first thing God created after He had made heaven and
earth:
In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth
was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's
Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. God said, "Let there
be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)
Interesting, this light was not the light of the sun or the moon,
because he made them some days later. This light must have come directly
from Himself. Amazing...
>> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through
>> him, and the world didn't recognize him.
>>
>
> Unfortunately, the world still doesn't recognize him. That's where we
> come in. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is
> come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,
> and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the
> earth (Acts 1:8)." It is our purpose in Christ to present the Light
> to our known world.
Yes, I agree! It is not always easy in the usenet, however.
>> Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right? But I wonder why
>> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
>>
>
> Why don't they believe Him now? (Hint: think about Adam and Eve and
> the forbidden fruit.)
Hmm... the want to be their own god and do what they please, not God.
>> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
>> receive him.
>>
>> Who is meant there?
>>
> Israel. The Jews. And, very possibly to those who claim to be His own
> in this present time. I mean, especially here in the US, there are a
> lot of people who claim to be Christian. God knows their hearts. We
> must present the Light. Jesus tells us, "Let your light so shine
> before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father
> which is in heaven. (Matt 5:16)"
I know what you mean. It is the same here in Germany - or even worse.
The big state churches here (as we call them) so everything to please
the people, but not God. They do not really care. But it depends on the
single church, of course. But I am talking of the average. My best
friend and sister comes from a branch of the states church, and she
surely is a believer.
>> (John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the
>> right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
>> (John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
>> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>>
>
> "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7)",
> as spoken by Jesus. Again hint: Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit.
> I came into this world, born of flesh and blood, flesh and blood that
> is bound by sin, separated from God by that sin. But, praise God, I
> met the Light! My spirit has been born into the likeness of Christ,
> not by the fleshly birth of my humanity, but by the Spirit of the
> living God.
That happened to me, too, and the best was that God found me while I did
not really reckon with Him. God revealed Himself, more and more, and
draw me closer and closer, and He showed me my wrongs and sins, and I
told Him I wanted to do His will from then on, and he forgave me and
adopted me as His child. It is so good that I am not the only one, and
that there are so many other children of God, born by His Spirit.
>> This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is
>> still the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is
>> this possible today?
>>
>
> "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that
> are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call (Acts
> 2:39).," as stated by the Apostle Peter. What promise? "But wait for
> the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)," as spoken by Jesus. The
> Comforter. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the
> Father will send in my name (John 14:26)," as spoken by Jesus.
> "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
> Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
> shall testify of me (John 15:26)," again spoken by Jesus. And now we
> are back to the Spirit of truth, who will gude us into all truth.
Yes, He revealed Himself to me when I was reading the Bible. I started
with Genesis, and suddenly I knew it was all true. I became addicted to
Bible reading then, and I will never give it up. It is God talking to us
personally. Now after six years I am still amazed what good things God
offers me through this book. It is His Spirit who is doing this. He is
also explaining me what is going on in this world, so I am not really
shocked about some things that happen. I think many people make the
mistake and do not take God seriously. They think He is just an
invention. But if they did, and then heard or read His Word, they might
find out that He is real and alive.
>> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>>
>
> No, we are not. Again, hint: Adam and Eve and the fruit.
Hmm... we have to give up our will and accept Jesus as the leader of our
lives.
That was very important when I surrendered. I found out that I had tried
to live my life without God.
>> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
>> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
>> grace and truth.
>>
>> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>>
>
> It means the Word, who was God, took on human form as the Son of man,
> or simply flesh.
Just imagine! God who is so great came down to live here in this world
with all the evil in it. He knew that, and He also knew what was to
come, but did not spare Himself, just to pay for our debts by dying such
a brutal death on the cross! For our rebellion against Him. How much
does He love us!
>> (John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying, "This
>> was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for
>> he was before me.'"
>> (John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon grace.
>> (John 1:17 WEB) For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth
>> came through Jesus Christ.
>>
>> Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
>>
>
> But, who do you say that He is? Who do you believe that He is? This is
> a question that we will all answer someday. Let's look at the answer
> that Peter gave, "Thou art the Christ, the Son of the living God (Matt
> 16:16)." And what was the response of Jesus? "Blessed art thou, Simon
> Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto thee, but my
> Father which is in heaven (Matt 16:17)." And here we are again,
> "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come, he will guide you into
> all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
Peter was blessed, and so are we.
>> (John 1:18 WEB) No one has seen God at any time. The one and only
>> Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
>>
>> How has he declared him?
>>
>
> "Therefore let all the house of Israel know assuredly, that God hath
> made that same Jesus, whom ye have crucified, both Lord and Christ
> (Acts 2:36)." Today, we let the whole world know that God has made
> this same Jesus, who was killed that we may live, both Lord and
> Christ!
Wonderful! Jesus is Lord and Christ!
>> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>> Christ God ?
>>
>
> "For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the
> government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called
> Wonderful, Counselor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The
> Prince of Peace (Isaiah 9:6)."
> The prophet Isaiah said He, Jesus Christ, the son that was given to
> us, is the Mighty God.
Amen.
> Jesus instructed his disciples to preach the gospel to every creature.
> He instructed them to baptize in the name of the Father, and the Son
> and the Holy Spirit. During the outpouring of the Spirit as documented
> in Acts 2, after Peter's presentation of the ressurected Jesus, the
> question was asked, What shall we do? Peter answered to repent and be
> baptized in the name of Jesus and receive the Holy Spirit. Did Peter
> make a mistake? Or, did Peter really know who Jesus was? "Blessed art
> thou, Simon Bar-jona: for flesh and blood hath not revealed it unto
> thee, but my Father which is in heaven (Matt 16:17)."
> "And whatsoever ye do in word or deed, do all in the name of the Lord
> Jesus" (Col 3:17)," as written by the Apostle Paul.
>
> So, let me finish by asking another question. What is the name of the
> Father? (Okay, three more questions then!) What is the name of the
> Son? And, finally, what is the name of the Holy Spirit?
>
> Yes, Jesus is the Alpha and Omega, the beginning (the very first
> question presented in this thread) and the end. He is Emmanuel,
> Wonderful, Counselor, Prince of Peace, the I AM, Jehovah, Comforter,
> Spirit of Christ, Redeemer, Savior, King of Kings, Lord of Lords, the
> Mighty God, Everlasting Father, the Word, the Light, the Lion of the
> tribe of Judah, Spirit of Truth...
And amen...
> But who do you say that I, the Son of man, am?
> In the words of Thomas the doubter, this is my response, "My Lord and
> my God". That is who and what I believe Christ to be to and for me.
> But, you must answer that question for yourself. I can tell you who I
> believe Christ to be, as I have done. It is now between you, the
> reader and God, or better known as the work of the Holy Spirit.
> And here we are again, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
> he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
So it is highly important for everybody to get the Spirit of Truth to
guide them, or they will be lost.
> I must apologize for the length of this reply, but when I begin to
> speak about the Lord Jesus Christ...
Oh yes, I know about this myself. It is the best topic there has ever
been. Thank you so much for this answer - I hope it will bless many
people! It was an excellent post.
> May God bless you so richly with His Spirit and His love,
> Paul Weaver
Thank you, Paul.
May the God of love, grace and peace always keep you,
ruth
I love the Lord.
John 1:17 is a commonly mistranslated and misquoted verse. The NKJ
Bible translates it as "For the Law was given through Moses but grace
and truth came through Jesus Christ".
It does NOT say that!
The word "but" is NOT there! It was added.
The word "for" should be translated as because
it's real meaning not "for".
John is not saying that there was no grace of God before Yeshua came!
John is not saying that there was no truth in the writings of Moses!
God forbid!
The verse really says, "Because the Law through Moses was given, grace
and truth through (or by) Jesus Christ (Yeshua HaMaschiach) came to
be".
Ruth
Paul Weaver
In Isaiah 48:12, God speaks saying, "Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel,
My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last. "
>So there is a very strong emphasis on that passage. It is also important
>to see that it is Jesus speaking through John there. So it all started
>with Jesus, and it will end with Jesus.
>
Exactly.
>> Genesis 1:1 denotes the beginning of creation as we know it, as we
>> understand it. John 1:1 denotes the beginning of everything, which is
>> none other than God.
>
>This makes it a little clearer, yet I think we will never really
>understand it, because we are too much restricted. With the beginning of
>the creation the time as we know it started, and nobody can imagine what
>it might be outside of the construct of this.
>
Oh, but I do like to think about it! That is one of those questions
that I plan to ask the Lord when I see him face to face.
Big snip...
>
>John the Baptist's life was rather interesting. He was called into the
>Lord's services before he was born, and ended up beheaded. God meant
>everything to him.
>
As it should be with us. Exactly how many of us are ready to lay down
our lives for the Gospel of Christ? I thank God that I haven't been
forced into such a position.
>> Let me throw this in here, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
>> light unto my path " (Psalms 119:105). Word, word, lamp, light, the
>> Light. The Word is my Light, the Lamp to light the darkness that
>> surrounds me.
>
>In Germany we have a song about this Psalm. I found the English version
>and a midi there:
>http://www.walkthroughlife.com/midis/christian/thyword.htm. It is a
>beautiful song. Too bad I did not find an mp3, but maybe this midi might
>do.
>
I will listen to this as soon as I get the chance, probably tomorrow
night.
>Light was the the first thing God created after He had made heaven and
>earth:
>
Yes.
>In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth
>was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep. God's
>Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. God said, "Let there
>be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)
>
>
>Interesting, this light was not the light of the sun or the moon,
>because he made them some days later. This light must have come directly
>from Himself. Amazing...
>
Wow...
There will be no darkness in Heaven for Jesus Christ himself will be
the light.
>> Unfortunately, the world still doesn't recognize him. That's where we
>> come in. "But ye shall receive power, after that the Holy Ghost is
>> come upon you: and ye shall be witnesses unto me both in Jerusalem,
>> and in all Judea, and in Samaria, and unto the uttermost part of the
>> earth (Acts 1:8)." It is our purpose in Christ to present the Light
>> to our known world.
>
>Yes, I agree! It is not always easy in the usenet, however.
>
Very true.
>>> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own didn't
>>> receive him.
>>>
>>> Who is meant there?
>>>
>> Israel. The Jews. And, very possibly to those who claim to be His own
>> in this present time. I mean, especially here in the US, there are a
>> lot of people who claim to be Christian. God knows their hearts. We
>> must present the Light. Jesus tells us, "Let your light so shine
>> before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify your Father
>> which is in heaven. (Matt 5:16)"
>
>I know what you mean. It is the same here in Germany - or even worse.
>The big state churches here (as we call them) so everything to please
>the people, but not God. They do not really care. But it depends on the
>single church, of course. But I am talking of the average. My best
>friend and sister comes from a branch of the states church, and she
>surely is a believer.
>
I fear that money has become the driving force behind Christianity
here in America. But, God will work it all out, soon.
>>> (John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the
>>> right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
>>> (John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
>>> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>>>
>>
>> "Marvel not that I said unto thee, Ye must be born again. (John 3:7)",
>> as spoken by Jesus. Again hint: Adam and Eve and the forbidden fruit.
>> I came into this world, born of flesh and blood, flesh and blood that
>> is bound by sin, separated from God by that sin. But, praise God, I
>> met the Light! My spirit has been born into the likeness of Christ,
>> not by the fleshly birth of my humanity, but by the Spirit of the
>> living God.
>
>That happened to me, too, and the best was that God found me while I did
>not really reckon with Him. God revealed Himself, more and more, and
>draw me closer and closer, and He showed me my wrongs and sins, and I
>told Him I wanted to do His will from then on, and he forgave me and
>adopted me as His child. It is so good that I am not the only one, and
>that there are so many other children of God, born by His Spirit.
>
No, we are not alone, ever. My personal testimony is very long. I was
raised in church, my family left it for a time, went to another
denomination, (which, by the way really messed myself and my siblings
up), then left that. For the next twenty years or so, until last
summer, I pretty much played church. I accepted a position with
another employer, really feeling that it was the will of the Lord.
Within a month, I broke my hip while working. I'm 45 and I have metal
and plastic for a hip! We are still presently fighting with the
insurance companies concerning the medical expenses. However, I was
off work for nearly four months, leaving my family with virtually no
income. I seriosly questioned God as to just exactly what He was
doing. My all-time answer when I question God is, "Trust Me". I
pleaded with God, stating quite emphatically that I couldn't support
my family or pay any of my bills with no income. "Trust Me" was the
response, so I pleaded some more. I was powerless in my situation, I
couldn't walk, I couldn't work and I couldn't support my family.
Again, I let God know that I couldn't pay my bills or take care of my
family with nothing. He said, "I can, trust Me." Over the next four
months, I watched my little garden produce enough vegetables to feed
several families. I watched my bills get paid by people I never even
knew and will probably never know. I look at it this way, God knew I
needed some serious downtime to get my affairs in order so to speak.
He gave me four months. I returned to work at the end of October. I do
concrete work. We went through the winter with nearly more than enough
work while other local companies were drawing unemployment. Now, we
are so far behind! Praise God! But, those four months, I spent them
with the Lord, very intimately. I met a jesus Chrsit like I have never
known.
>>> This is written in the Past Tense. I would like to know if tis is
>>> still the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how is
>>> this possible today?
>>>
>>
>> "For the promise is unto you, and to your children, and to all that
>> are afar off, even as many as the Lord our God shall call (Acts
>> 2:39).," as stated by the Apostle Peter. What promise? "But wait for
>> the promise of the Father (Acts 1:4)," as spoken by Jesus. The
>> Comforter. "But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the
>> Father will send in my name (John 14:26)," as spoken by Jesus.
>> "But when the Comforter is come, whom I will send unto you from the
>> Father, even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth from the Father, he
>> shall testify of me (John 15:26)," again spoken by Jesus. And now we
>> are back to the Spirit of truth, who will gude us into all truth.
>
>Yes, He revealed Himself to me when I was reading the Bible. I started
>with Genesis, and suddenly I knew it was all true. I became addicted to
>Bible reading then, and I will never give it up. It is God talking to us
>personally. Now after six years I am still amazed what good things God
>offers me through this book. It is His Spirit who is doing this. He is
>also explaining me what is going on in this world, so I am not really
>shocked about some things that happen. I think many people make the
>mistake and do not take God seriously. They think He is just an
>invention. But if they did, and then heard or read His Word, they might
>find out that He is real and alive.
>
God's Word is amazing. I have been reading the Word going on 40 years
now. It still speaks to me.
>>> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>>>
>>
>> No, we are not. Again, hint: Adam and Eve and the fruit.
>
>Hmm... we have to give up our will and accept Jesus as the leader of our
>lives.
>That was very important when I surrendered. I found out that I had tried
>to live my life without God.
>
Exactly. We must totally surrender to the will of God. When I start
doing things my way, I quickly get into trouble. Thank God for His
grace and mercy! The angels were created to serve God, they don't have
the choice. God wanted something that would serve Him because of love.
Thus we were created with a free will, free to choose to serve God or
whatever else we dream up.
>>> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw his
>>> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of
>>> grace and truth.
>>>
>>> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>>>
>>
>> It means the Word, who was God, took on human form as the Son of man,
>> or simply flesh.
>
>Just imagine! God who is so great came down to live here in this world
>with all the evil in it. He knew that, and He also knew what was to
>come, but did not spare Himself, just to pay for our debts by dying such
>a brutal death on the cross! For our rebellion against Him. How much
>does He love us!
>
I owe Him a debt that I can never repay.
Another big snip...
>> But who do you say that I, the Son of man, am?
>> In the words of Thomas the doubter, this is my response, "My Lord and
>> my God". That is who and what I believe Christ to be to and for me.
>> But, you must answer that question for yourself. I can tell you who I
>> believe Christ to be, as I have done. It is now between you, the
>> reader and God, or better known as the work of the Holy Spirit.
>> And here we are again, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is come,
>> he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by Jesus.
>
>So it is highly important for everybody to get the Spirit of Truth to
>guide them, or they will be lost.
>
Very much so.
>> I must apologize for the length of this reply, but when I begin to
>> speak about the Lord Jesus Christ...
>
>Oh yes, I know about this myself. It is the best topic there has ever
>been. Thank you so much for this answer - I hope it will bless many
>people! It was an excellent post.
>
>> May God bless you so richly with His Spirit and His love,
>> Paul Weaver
>
>Thank you, Paul.
>
You're very welcome
God bless,
Paul Weaver
::: veralein :::
ruth <mrut...@hotmail.com> typed:
Hello Ruth,
thank you for this addition, which is rather interesting. Of course God
has always been the same, full of truth and full of grace.
And welcome here!
Be blessed richly,
::: veralein :::
::: veralein :::
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <nos...@heartmdphd.com> typed:
Yes, they are trembling with fear - that's the noise.
> They know, they believe, and they are doomed.
Indeed. :-)
> Marana tha !
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Be blessed, dear Andrew.
::: veralein :::
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
> >
> > "For where two or three come together in MY name, there am I with
> > them." -- LORD Jesus Christ (Matthew 18:20)
> >
> > Do you hear all the howling going on outside?
> >
> > Must be all the demons wailing in anticipation of LORD Jesus Christ's
> > return as the Lion on that day of HIS judgment.
>
> Yes, they are trembling with fear - that's the noise.
>
> > They know, they believe, and they are doomed.
>
> Indeed. :-)
>
> > Marana tha !
>
>
> ::: veralein :::
> ::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de :::::::
> ::::::: http://www.acc-growing-deeper.de/Israel.htm :::::::
> ::::::: http://www.e-sword.net :::::::
Many thanks and praises to GOD for how HE has shaped you.
May HE continue to use you in HIS mighty way according to HIS infinite
will, in Jesus' most wonderful and holy name.
Amen !
Marana tha...
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew B. Chung
Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia USA
http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
::: veralein :::
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> ::: veralein ::: wrote:
>> In news:1149912729.1...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
>> >> Bible Study on John 1, 1-18
>> >>
>> >>
>> >> I am trying to do a Bible Study on John 1, 1-18, and this is the
>> >> text:
>> >>
>> >> In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the
>> >> were made through him. Without him was not anything made that has
>> >> light shines in the darkness, and the darkness hasn't overcome it.
>> >> as a witness, that he might testify about the light, that all
>> >> might
>> >> might testify about the light. The true light that enlightens
>> >> everyone was coming into the world. He was in the world, and the
>> >> world was made through him, and the world didn't recognize him. He
>> >> came to his own, and those who were his own didn't receive him.
>> >> as many as received him, to them he gave the right to become God's
>> >> blood, nor of the will of the flesh, nor of the will of man, but
>> >> of
>> >> such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full of grace
>> >> he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me, for he
>> >> grace.
>> >> For the law was given through Moses. Grace and truth came through
>> >> Jesus Christ. No one has seen God at any time. The one and only
>> >> Son,
>> >> who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him. (John
>> >> 1:1-18)
>> >>
>> >> ============================
>> >>
>> >> Any input from you is welcome. Some questions about the text below
>> >> (I
>> >> am using "The World English Bible", because it is free of any
>> >> copyright restrictions, and I think the translation is quite
>> >> good):
>> >>
>> >> ============================
>> >>
>> >> (John 1:1 WEB) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was
>> >> with
>> >> God, and the Word was God.
>> >>
>> >> What do you think is meant by "In the beginning"?
>> >
>> >
>> >> Is there a relation to
>> >> Genesis?
>> >
>> >
>> >> "The word was God" - I think that is a really difficult phrase to
>> >> understand. How can the Word be God?
>> >
>> > This means GOD has a word for everything that exists. This would
>> > include the Word HE has for HIMSELF.
>>
>> Interesting, Andrew.
>
> Indeed :-)
>
>> There must be words we do not even know:
>>
>> I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I
>> don't
>> know, or whether out of the body, I don't know; God knows), such a
>> one
>> caught up into the third heaven. I know such a man (whether in the
>> body,
>> or outside of the body, I don't know; God knows), how he was caught
>> up
>> into Paradise, and heard unspeakable words, which it is not lawful
>> for a
>> man to utter. (2 Corinthians 12:2-4)
>
> There is much we don't know. An infinite amount of things and words.
> Just some of the many treasures the LORD has stored up for us.
> Looking
> forward to spending the rest of eternity with HIM. We certainly won't
> be bored :-)
>
> Our manifold more abundant lives since walking with HIM here in this
> world is simply a preview of what is to come.
>
>> >>
>> >> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God
>> >> and
>> >> be with God?
>> >
>>
>> Very interesting, but also very difficult to understand.
>
> HE makes it possible. It is written that what is impossible for man
> is
> possible for GOD.
>
>> It is on a
>> Spiritual level. So we who have the Spirit can grasp what it means,
>> but
>> only part of it. But fact is there are words in this world, too, and
>> I
>> have not heard them, and if I did, I would not understand them. Yet
>> they
>> have a meaning.
>
> But no power.
>
>> >> (John 1:3 WEB) All things were made through him. Without him was
>> >> not
>> >> anything made that has been made.
>> >>
>> >> Well. who is the Creator here? The Word?
>> >
>> >
>> > "I and the Father are One." -- LORD Jesus Christ (John 10:30)
>>
>> Amen.
>>
>> >> (John 1:4 WEB) In him was life, and the life was the light of men.
>> >>
>> >> In "him"? Who is "he"?
>> >
>>
>> I agree.
>>
>> >> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
>> >> hasn't overcome it.
>> >>
>> >> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood"
>> >> it.
>> >> What is really meant there?
>> >
>>
>> Yes, in this context. It also represents Satan and his minions.
>
> Yes, satan and his minions have been authorized to wander about in
> this
> world to-and-fro wreaking havoc except where GOD has placed hedges of
> protection (Job).
>
> They struggle to keep the unbelievers in there unbelief while they
> themselves actually believe.
>
> So there is a dual nature to the darkness:
>
> (1) There are satanic forces trying to overcome Christianity but it
> has
> been prophesied that they will fail (Revelation).
>
> (2) The unbelievers who have been enslaved by the satanic forces lack
> an understanding of Christianity.
>
>> >> (John 1:6 WEB) There came a man, sent from God, whose name was
>> >> John.
>> >>
>> >> I think that was John the Baptist.
>> >
>> >
>> >> (John 1:7 WEB) The same came as a witness, that he might testify
>> >> about the light, that all might believe through him.
>> >> (John 1:8 WEB) He was not the light, but was sent that he might
>> >> testify about the light.
>> >>
>> >> But John the Baptist was not the light.
>> >
>> >
>> >> (John 1:9 WEB) The true light that enlightens everyone was coming
>> >> into the world.
>> >>
>> >> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
>> >
>>
>> So true.
>
> The truth.
>
>> >> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made
>> >> through
>> >> him, and the world didn't recognize him.
>> >>
>> >
>> > not
>> > come to pass.
>>
>> True, because...
>>
>> For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord, 'to me every knee
>> will
>> bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'" (Romans 14:11)
>
> Clearly, as we look around here on usenet, this has not happened yet
> by
> a longshot. There are folks like Mark T, who say they are Christian
> but it is clear they are not saved at this time (this does not mean
> they never will be saved).
>
> (Now, here in the Bible Belt of the United States, which is one nation
> under GOD, it is easy to be lulled into complacency thinking that we
> should be satisfied that most people around here worship the LORD
> Almighty GOD).
>
>> >> But I wonder why
>> >> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
>> >
>> > HIS
>> > wheat.
>>
>> Oh, I see.
>
> LORD Jesus will be returning with that unquenchable fire for the
> weeds.
>
>> >> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own
>> >> didn't
>> >> receive him.
>> >>
>> >> Who is meant there?
>> >
>>
>> Jesus Christ, yes.
>
> Amen.
>
>> >> (John 1:12 WEB) But as many as received him, to them he gave the
>> >> right to become God's children, to those who believe in his name:
>> >> (John 1:13 WEB) who were born not of blood, nor of the will of the
>> >> flesh, nor of the will of man, but of God.
>> >>
>> >> still the case. Can people still become "God's children", and how
>> >> is
>> >> this possible today?
>> >
>> > living Word of GOD.
>>
>> Most people do not know how to "believe". Maybe this can help:
>>
>> "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is,
>> the
>> word of faith, which we preach: that if you will confess with your
>> mouth
>> the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised him from
>> the
>> dead, you will be saved. For with the heart, one believes unto
>> righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made unto salvation.
>> For
>> the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him will not be
>> disappointed."
>> For there is no distinction between Jew and Greek; for the same Lord
>> is
>> Lord of all, and is rich to all who call on him. For, "Whoever will
>> call
>> on the name of the Lord will be saved." How then will they call on
>> him
>> in whom they have not believed? How will they believe in him whom
>> they
>> have not heard? How will they hear without a preacher? And how will
>> they
>> preach unless they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the
>> feet of those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings
>> of
>> good things!" But they didn't all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah
>> says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" So faith comes by hearing,
>> and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:8-17)
>
> Let us continue to pray on their behalf, out of our love for them, a
> love that comes from our love for LORD Jesus Christ.
>
>> >> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>> >
>>
>> Many people think they are God's children but are not. The only way
>> to
>> be forgiven is by believing in Jesus Christ.
>
> It is as written a narrow path and not the wide meandering path that
> most other folks are currently travelling on.
>
>> >> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw
>> >> his
>> >> glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father, full
>> >> of
>> >> grace and truth.
>> >>
>> >> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>> >
>>
>> So God came down to earth.
>
> On a rescue mission to save HIS sheep :-)
>
>> >> (John 1:15 WEB) John testified about him. He cried out, saying,
>> >> "This
>> >> was he of whom I said, 'He who comes after me has surpassed me,
>> >> for
>> >> he was before me.'"
>> >> (John 1:16 WEB) From his fullness we all received grace upon
>> >> grace.
>> >> truth
>> >> came through Jesus Christ.
>> >>
>> >> Grace and truth... So now it gets clearer who the "Word" is.
>> >>
>> >> Son, who is in the bosom of the Father, he has declared him.
>> >>
>> >> How has he declared him?
>> >
>>
>> But the words must be heard with the Holy Spirit if we want to
>> understand them, and then they can be understood. Maybe this was
>> easier
>> when Jesus was here on earth.
>
> Actually, when Christ Jesus walked here on the earth, the twelve had a
> tough time understanding. It is easier for us now because we have the
> written Word of GOD, we are on this side of the cross looking back,
> and
> we have the Holy Spirit, Who was not available for HIS followers
> outside of the twelve until after Jesus' ascension.
>
>> People today can ask God to help them understand, and He will reveal
>> Himself.
>
> Without placing their faith in LORD Jesus Christ first, there can
> never
> be an understanding.
>
>> I think most people do not reckon with that. But God is real,
>> and God is alive!
>
> Without any doubt. HE has even appeared in our midst here on usenet !
>
> In truth, most assuredly, I know GOD to be kind, just, and right.
>
>> >> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>> >> Christ God ?
>> >
>>
>> I agree.
>
> The unity comes from the Holy Spirit through the infinite love that
> LORD Jesus Christ has for each of us.
>
>> >> Peace to everybody,
>> >
>> > And to you, dear Vera.
>>
>> Thank you, Andrew.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> All thanks and praises to GOD, Whom we love with all of our beings.
>
>> > May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
>> > these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only
>> > begotten
>> > Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross
>> > for
>> > our deadly sins.
>> >
>> > Amen ! ! !
>>
>>
>> ::: vera :::
>
> Many thanks and praises to our LORD for your kind wishes.
>
> May GOD continue to keep HIS hedge of protection around you and yours,
> dear Vera whom I love, in Jesus' invincible, infinitely powerful, and
> most holy name.
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew
>
::: veralein :::
In news:4f91gbF...@individual.net,
::: veralein ::: <vera...@lycos.com> typed:
> "Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> schrieb im
> Newsbeitrag
> news:1149974448.9...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
>>>>> veralein ::: wrote:
>>> In news:1149912729.1...@j55g2000cwa.googlegroups.com,
>>> Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <and...@heartmdphd.com> typed:
...
::: veralein :::
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD <nos...@heartmdphd.com> typed:
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>> I know a man in Christ, fourteen years ago (whether in the body, I
>> don't know, or whether out of the body, I don't know; God knows),
>> such a one caught up into the third heaven. I know such a man
>> (whether in the body, or outside of the body, I don't know; God
>> knows), how he was caught up into Paradise, and heard unspeakable
>> words, which it is not lawful for a man to utter. (2 Corinthians
>> 12:2-4)
>
> There is much we don't know. An infinite amount of things and words.
> Just some of the many treasures the LORD has stored up for us.
> Looking forward to spending the rest of eternity with HIM. We
> certainly won't be bored :-)
No, we will not. :-)
> Our manifold more abundant lives since walking with HIM here in this
> world is simply a preview of what is to come.
Yes, and it is so wonderful to walk with Jesus now. We cannot imagin how
it will be in Heaven.
>>>> (John 1:2 WEB) The same was in the beginning with God.
>>>>
>>>> It is getting even more difficult here. How can the Word be God and
>>>> be with God?
>>>
>>> When GOD spoke the Word that HE has for HIMSELF, HE begat HIS Son.
>>
>> Very interesting, but also very difficult to understand.
>
> HE makes it possible. It is written that what is impossible for man
> is possible for GOD.
That's true. We can completely rely on the Lord.
>> It is on a
>> Spiritual level. So we who have the Spirit can grasp what it means,
>> but only part of it. But fact is there are words in this world, too,
>> and I have not heard them, and if I did, I would not understand
>> them. Yet they have a meaning.
>
> But no power.
Exactly. When God speaks things are done the same instance.
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>>>> (John 1:5 WEB) The light shines in the darkness, and the darkness
>>>> hasn't overcome it.
>>>>
>>>> Interesting, the German Bible says, "darkness hasn't "understood"
>>>> it. What is really meant there?
>>>
>>> The darkness represents the unbelieving world.
>>
>> Yes, in this context. It also represents Satan and his minions.
>
> Yes, satan and his minions have been authorized to wander about in
> this world to-and-fro wreaking havoc except where GOD has placed
> hedges of protection (Job).
>
> They struggle to keep the unbelievers in there unbelief while they
> themselves actually believe.
>
> So there is a dual nature to the darkness:
>
> (1) There are satanic forces trying to overcome Christianity but it
> has been prophesied that they will fail (Revelation).
>
> (2) The unbelievers who have been enslaved by the satanic forces lack
> an understanding of Christianity.
Yes, that's true, and very sad.
Before I surrendered I thought about it... I thought that all the
Christians are restricted in their actions by so many rules they have to
keep. But now I find myself with a longing to please God and do what He
pleases, and I hate sin (not that I would be free of it, but I am trying
to escape it as much as I can). I would never want to live my old life
again. Nut before we know the Lord, we humans tend to think we want to
stay as we are. I think only God can show us what sin really is. Reading
about it does not help much.
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>>>> God is light, and this verse is speaking of the "true" light...
>>>
>>> "I am the way, the **truth**, and the life..." -- LORD Jesus Christ
>>
>> So true.
>
> The truth.
>
>>>> (John 1:10 WEB) He was in the world, and the world was made through
>>>> him, and the world didn't recognize him.
>>>>
>>>> Yes! And I think it is still the same today, right?
>>>
>>> Right. This is how we know that the prophesies of Revelation have
>>> not come to pass.
>>
>> True, because...
>>
>> For it is written, "'As I live,' says the Lord, 'to me every knee
>> will bow. Every tongue will confess to God.'" (Romans 14:11)
>
> Clearly, as we look around here on usenet, this has not happened yet
> by a longshot. There are folks like Mark T, who say they are
> Christian but it is clear they are not saved at this time (this does
> not mean they never will be saved).
I think he knows that himself. All he has ever done was blaspheming
Jesus whenever he could, or he attacked the Christians around and caused
strife. Yet the Lord might decide to save him one day. We cannot know,
we are just His tools here on earth.
> (Now, here in the Bible Belt of the United States, which is one nation
> under GOD, it is easy to be lulled into complacency thinking that we
> should be satisfied that most people around here worship the LORD
> Almighty GOD).
But he does not worship any god at all but himself. He is aiming at
weakening the believers' faith. But did you know that the name "Vera"
comes from Russia and means "faith"? My faith is even stronger than it
has ever been.
There has been a time in ACC some years ago when really interested
people came and wanted to make friends with us and learn about God. But
today there are just so many trouble makers. If we can manage to stand
together in one accord we could send out a clear signal of who we are...
>>>> But I wonder why
>>>> people did not believe in him when he was on earth.
>>>
>>> Many did and have. It is written that satan has sown weed among HIS
>>> wheat.
>>
>> Oh, I see.
>
> LORD Jesus will be returning with that unquenchable fire for the
> weeds.
Oh yes, he will.
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reading]
>> Most people do not know how to "believe". Maybe this can help:
>>
>> "The word is near you, in your mouth, and in your heart;" that is,
>> the word of faith, which we preach: that if you will confess with
>> your mouth the Lord Jesus, and believe in your heart that God raised
>> him from the dead, you will be saved. For with the heart, one
>> believes unto righteousness; and with the mouth confession is made
>> unto salvation. For the Scripture says, "Whoever believes in him
>> will not be disappointed." For there is no distinction between Jew
>> and Greek; for the same Lord is Lord of all, and is rich to all who
>> call on him. For, "Whoever will call on the name of the Lord will be
>> saved." How then will they call on him in whom they have not
>> believed? How will they believe in him whom they have not heard? How
>> will they hear without a preacher? And how will they preach unless
>> they are sent? As it is written: "How beautiful are the feet of
>> those who preach the gospel of peace, Who bring glad tidings of good
>> things!" But they didn't all listen to the glad news. For Isaiah
>> says, "Lord, who has believed our report?" So faith comes by
>> hearing, and hearing by the word of God. (Romans 10:8-17)
>
> Let us continue to pray on their behalf, out of our love for them, a
> love that comes from our love for LORD Jesus Christ.
Yes, that's a good idea!
>>>> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>>>
>>> No. Such is the tragedy of the original sin.
>>
>> Many people think they are God's children but are not. The only way
>> to be forgiven is by believing in Jesus Christ.
>
> It is as written a narrow path and not the wide meandering path that
> most other folks are currently travelling on.
Oh yes, and it means to give up one's life and follow Jesus - to get a
better one. :-)
:-)
You are right, it should be easier, but it takes trust in the beginning.
>> People today can ask God to help them understand, and He will reveal
>> Himself.
>
> Without placing their faith in LORD Jesus Christ first, there can
> never be an understanding.
So true.
>> I think most people do not reckon with that. But God is real,
>> and God is alive!
>
> Without any doubt. HE has even appeared in our midst here on usenet !
>
> In truth, most assuredly, I know GOD to be kind, just, and right.
Let us praise Him for that!
>>>> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>>>> Christ God ?
>>>
>>> Most definitely.
>>
>> I agree.
>
> The unity comes from the Holy Spirit through the infinite love that
> LORD Jesus Christ has for each of us.
Amen.
>>>> Peace to everybody,
>>>
>>> And to you, dear Vera.
>>
>> Thank you, Andrew.
>
> You are welcome.
>
> All thanks and praises to GOD, Whom we love with all of our beings.
Yes, thank you, Lord.
>>> May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
>>> these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only
>>> begotten Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the
>>> cross for our deadly sins.
>>>
>>> Amen ! ! !
>>
>> Be blessed in your daily walk in Him,
>>
>> ::: vera :::
>
> Many thanks and praises to our LORD for your kind wishes.
Ditto, Andrew!
> May GOD continue to keep HIS hedge of protection around you and yours,
> dear Vera whom I love, in Jesus' invincible, infinitely powerful, and
> most holy name.
Thanks for that.
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew
>
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
You are also in my prayers,
be blessed, dear Andrew,
::: vera :::
--
::: veralein :::
Andrew, all I can do is give it back to you. :-)
You are shining brightly for the Lord, and everyone can see that He
means everything for you.
> Amen !
>
> Marana tha...
Yes, Lord, come soon!
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew B. Chung
> Cardiologist, Atlanta, Georgia USA
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
May you always remain in His light,
::: vera :::
--
::: veralein :::
Paul Weaver <pwe...@kconline.com> typed:
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>>> What is the beginning? Or more appropriately, Who is the beginning?
>>> Jesus said "Before Abraham was, I am." (John 8:58) In our limited
>>> human brain, we can only think in terms of known time. It can be
>>> rather difficult for us to concieve the idea of what exactly is the
>>> beginning of all things, the beginning of all time. In real simple,
>>> biblical terms, "I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the ending,
>>> saith the Lord, which is, and which was, and which is to come, the
>>> Almighty." (Rev 1:8)
>>
>> He even says this three times, again in Revelation 21:6, "He said to
>> me, "It is done! I am the Alpha and the Omega, the Beginning and the
>> End. I will give freely to him who is thirsty from the spring of the
>> water of life" and in Revelation 22:13, "I am the Alpha and the
>> Omega, the First and the Last, the Beginning and the End."
>>
> In Isaiah 48:12, God speaks saying, "Listen to me, O Jacob and Israel,
> My called; I am He; I am the first, I also am the last. "
So that makes it four times. :-)
>> So there is a very strong emphasis on that passage. It is also
>> important to see that it is Jesus speaking through John there. So it
>> all started with Jesus, and it will end with Jesus.
>>
> Exactly.
>
>>> Genesis 1:1 denotes the beginning of creation as we know it, as we
>>> understand it. John 1:1 denotes the beginning of everything, which
>>> is none other than God.
>>
>> This makes it a little clearer, yet I think we will never really
>> understand it, because we are too much restricted. With the
>> beginning of the creation the time as we know it started, and nobody
>> can imagine what it might be outside of the construct of this.
>>
> Oh, but I do like to think about it! That is one of those questions
> that I plan to ask the Lord when I see him face to face.
Yes, I like to think about it, too. Just imagine, we will know it all
then!
> Big snip...
>>
>> John the Baptist's life was rather interesting. He was called into
>> the Lord's services before he was born, and ended up beheaded. God
>> meant everything to him.
>>
> As it should be with us. Exactly how many of us are ready to lay down
> our lives for the Gospel of Christ? I thank God that I haven't been
> forced into such a position.
Oh yes, and we should not forget all those who are persecuted, even
right now in this minute, maybe killed, and mostly we do not even hear
about it. There are so many Christians coming from the Islam, for
example, or many Christians in China, North Korea, Saudi Arabia and
elsewhere. http://www.persecution.com/ is speaking volumes of that. Many
are sitting in prison for their faith while we can communicate in
freedom here.
>>> Let me throw this in here, "Thy word is a lamp unto my feet, and a
>>> light unto my path " (Psalms 119:105). Word, word, lamp, light, the
>>> Light. The Word is my Light, the Lamp to light the darkness that
>>> surrounds me.
>>
>> In Germany we have a song about this Psalm. I found the English
>> version and a midi there:
>> http://www.walkthroughlife.com/midis/christian/thyword.htm. It is a
>> beautiful song. Too bad I did not find an mp3, but maybe this midi
>> might do.
>>
> I will listen to this as soon as I get the chance, probably tomorrow
> night.
>
>> Light was the the first thing God created after He had made heaven
>> and earth:
>>
> Yes.
>
>> In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. Now the earth
>> was formless and empty. Darkness was on the surface of the deep.
>> God's Spirit was hovering over the surface of the waters. God said,
>> "Let there be light," and there was light. (Genesis 1:1-3)
>>
>>
>> Interesting, this light was not the light of the sun or the moon,
>> because he made them some days later. This light must have come
>> directly from Himself. Amazing...
>>
> Wow...
> There will be no darkness in Heaven for Jesus Christ himself will be
> the light.
That will be wonderful. I think everything will be different there.
There will not be the slightest form of darkness. That is why we have to
purify ourselves by the holy blood of Jesus Christ, or we could not
exist in the presence of God.
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>>>> (John 1:11 WEB) He came to his own, and those who were his own
>>>> didn't receive him.
>>>>
>>>> Who is meant there?
>>>>
>>> Israel. The Jews. And, very possibly to those who claim to be His
>>> own in this present time. I mean, especially here in the US, there
>>> are a lot of people who claim to be Christian. God knows their
>>> hearts. We must present the Light. Jesus tells us, "Let your light
>>> so shine before men, that they may see your good works, and glorify
>>> your Father which is in heaven. (Matt 5:16)"
>>
>> I know what you mean. It is the same here in Germany - or even worse.
>> The big state churches here (as we call them) so everything to please
>> the people, but not God. They do not really care. But it depends on
>> the single church, of course. But I am talking of the average. My
>> best friend and sister comes from a branch of the states church, and
>> she surely is a believer.
>>
> I fear that money has become the driving force behind Christianity
> here in America. But, God will work it all out, soon.
Money might play a role everywhere in this world. And yes, God will work
it out, we do not have to worry so much.
That was great reading, Paul! What a testimonial! Thank you! I am sorry
that you had such a bad time, but it makes me glad at the same time to
see how the Lord carried you through all of this! I am also glad that
you could recover, and that you had such an intense meeting with the
Lord for months! I think I know a little what you are talking about.
Trust the Lord, whatever there may come!
My story is on my website, and it is very long - but I think it is time
for a repost soon. I am also aware that the Lord carried me through my
life, starting right from the beginning. He led me through so many
difficult situations which I could not have mastered without His help.
In fact I know that I am nothing and have nothing without God's grace
and love. I thank Him so much for everything that He gives me, for my
son and his girl-friend, my friends, my flat, the daily food, the job,
my health - and much more. I cannot thank Him enough.
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>> Yes, He revealed Himself to me when I was reading the Bible. I
>> started with Genesis, and suddenly I knew it was all true. I became
>> addicted to Bible reading then, and I will never give it up. It is
>> God talking to us personally. Now after six years I am still amazed
>> what good things God offers me through this book. It is His Spirit
>> who is doing this. He is also explaining me what is going on in this
>> world, so I am not really shocked about some things that happen. I
>> think many people make the mistake and do not take God seriously.
>> They think He is just an invention. But if they did, and then heard
>> or read His Word, they might find out that He is real and alive.
>>
> God's Word is amazing. I have been reading the Word going on 40 years
> now. It still speaks to me.
I can understand that. God's Word is perfect.
>>>> And are we not all automatically God's children?
>>>>
>>>
>>> No, we are not. Again, hint: Adam and Eve and the fruit.
>>
>> Hmm... we have to give up our will and accept Jesus as the leader of
>> our lives.
>> That was very important when I surrendered. I found out that I had
>> tried to live my life without God.
>>
> Exactly. We must totally surrender to the will of God. When I start
> doing things my way, I quickly get into trouble. Thank God for His
> grace and mercy! The angels were created to serve God, they don't have
> the choice. God wanted something that would serve Him because of love.
> Thus we were created with a free will, free to choose to serve God or
> whatever else we dream up.
I could not express this any better than you.
Most of the times I start trying it in my own, but then I remember and
lean back and let Him. There has always been a wonderful ending of
problems when He was involved.
>>>> (John 1:14 WEB) The Word became flesh, and lived among us. We saw
>>>> his glory, such glory as of the one and only Son of the Father,
>>>> full of grace and truth.
>>>>
>>>> "The Word became flesh"? What does it mean?
>>>>
>>>
>>> It means the Word, who was God, took on human form as the Son of
>>> man, or simply flesh.
>>
>> Just imagine! God who is so great came down to live here in this
>> world with all the evil in it. He knew that, and He also knew what
>> was to come, but did not spare Himself, just to pay for our debts by
>> dying such a brutal death on the cross! For our rebellion against
>> Him. How much does He love us!
>>
> I owe Him a debt that I can never repay.
Me too - but the best is that we do not have to repay.
> Another big snip...
>
>>> But who do you say that I, the Son of man, am?
>>> In the words of Thomas the doubter, this is my response, "My Lord
>>> and my God". That is who and what I believe Christ to be to and for
>>> me. But, you must answer that question for yourself. I can tell you
>>> who I believe Christ to be, as I have done. It is now between you,
>>> the reader and God, or better known as the work of the Holy Spirit.
>>> And here we are again, "Howbeit when he, the Spirit of truth, is
>>> come, he will guide you into all truth" (John 16:13), as spoken by
>>> Jesus.
>>
>> So it is highly important for everybody to get the Spirit of Truth to
>> guide them, or they will be lost.
>>
> Very much so.
>
>>> I must apologize for the length of this reply, but when I begin to
>>> speak about the Lord Jesus Christ...
>>
>> Oh yes, I know about this myself. It is the best topic there has ever
>> been. Thank you so much for this answer - I hope it will bless many
>> people! It was an excellent post.
>>
>>> May God bless you so richly with His Spirit and His love,
>>> Paul Weaver
>>
>> Thank you, Paul.
>>
> You're very welcome
>
> God bless,
> Paul Weaver
May God continue to bless you so richly,
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
May GOD continue to keep HIS hedge of protection around Philip too, in
the holy name of GOD's one and only dearly beloved and begotten Son,
LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer terribly and die horribly in
order to save us from our deadly sins.
Amen !
Marana tha ! !
::: veralein :::
Thank you, Andrew.
>
> May GOD continue to keep HIS hedge of protection around Philip too, in
> the holy name of GOD's one and only dearly beloved and begotten Son,
> LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer terribly and die horribly in
> order to save us from our deadly sins.
>
> Amen !
And Amen! And may God keep his hedge of protection around you, too.
>
> Marana tha ! !
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
> Andrew
> http://tinyurl.com/m3gnu
Be blessed,
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
> HE makes it possible. It is written that what is impossible for man is
> possible for GOD.
What *is* written is far better...
"What is impossible for man* is possible *with* God"
man* = man all by himself
*with* = is possible when we are working *with* God !
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <nos...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD
It is written that we will fall short of GOD's glory and indeed this is
true as illustrated here.
Many thanks and praises to GOD for your correcting me.
May you continue to be fully blessed by HIM, dear brother Glenn whom I
love, in Jesus' most precious and holy name.
Amen.
Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
Andrew
http://HeartMDPhD.com/TheLife
The Lord
> Agree. Entirely my error...
> It is written that we will fall short of GOD's glory and indeed this is
> true as illustrated here.
> Many thanks and praises to GOD for your correcting me.
Forge. The 'real' Andy would never admit error in a hundred years.
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
Just did the Christian thing, as I don't really want invaders in 'my' fav
newsgroups, can you guess what I did ?
"Andrew B. Chung, MD/PhD" <and...@heartmdphd.com> wrote in message
news:1149938362.6...@i40g2000cwc.googlegroups.com...
> SkumTaht wrote:
>> >
>> >> And all in all, what do you think, according to our text: is Jesus
>> >> Christ God ?
>> >
>> > Most definitely.
>> >
>> >> Peace to everybody,
>> >
>> > And to you, dear Vera.
>> >
>> > May GOD continue to bless the writing and discussing of HIS Word in
>> > these usenet newsgroups in the holy name of HIS one and only begotten
>> > Son, LORD Jesus Christ, Who chose to suffer and die on the cross for
>> > our deadly sins.
>> >
>> > Amen ! ! !
>>
>> What the hell is this?
>
> The truth.
>
>> This is a bloody cardiology group,
>
> This is a cardiology group and both the LORD and I are cardiologists.
>
> Indeed, the LORD has taught me everything I know :-)
>
>> NOT a bible bashing group!
>
> We are not bashing the Bible. Instead, we are glorifying the Word of
> GOD.
>
>> Are you blind?
>
> No.
>
>> Go and post that shit in some other group, NOT here, we are trying to
>> keep that sort of crap out of this group,
>> which is virtually impossible by the looks of the posts.
>
> Sorry the truth bothers you so terribly. Please forgive all my
> iniquities.
>
> To understand this, simply surf the link under my sig.
>
> Still praying for your poor enslaved soul, dear Billy
>
> Prayerfully in Christ's amazing love,
>
St Dog the Wet
> Just did the Christian thing, as I don't really want invaders in 'my' fav
> newsgroups, can you guess what I did ?
you shortened the "to" list, removing "Cardiology" and "Atheist"
would be my guess
:-)
Glenn (Christian Mystic)
"St Dog the Wet" <g.aed...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
news:12aauai...@corp.supernews.com...
> Glenn (Christian Mystic) wrote:
>> Just did the Christian thing, as I don't really want invaders in 'my' fav
>> newsgroups, can you guess what I did ?
>
> you shortened the "to" list, removing "Cardiology" and "Atheist" would be
> my guess
>
> :-)
You're cheating ;-)