I went rock climbing yesterday to get some good shots of the sunset
from the shore. The rocks are sediment rocks such as what happens
during a volcanic eruption - just easy to climb, really.
When I got home, I was fine. When I went to bed, I was a little sore
in my lower back, left buttock and leg. This morning when I got up, I
couldn't feel the bottom of my left foot, two of the middle toes are
numb and my leg won't cooperate with extension - it's painful, but
more like the kind of pain you get when you need to pop a joint, you
know? Like when your knuckles are stiff and you pop them and they feel
better afterwards?
So after my shower this morning, I bent over to pick up my clothes and
something went POP! really loud in my hip/sacroiliac joint area. . .it
felt better for maybe an hour and then got worse again as the day
progressed. It's been coming on for weeks, and I know the nerve damage
I have is permanent (cite last summer's posts on this subject
somewhere in Google), and the walking therapy has worked, for the most
part, to keep the muscles strong enough surrounding the damaged area.
But today it's the worst it's been in literal years.
So I am asking for prayer; mostly to make it through cooking at the
Friday Feast tomorrow. . .
Thanks in advance and God bless,
Feather
Feather you are in my prayers this night
Get well soon
Matt
Thanks, Matt. I appreciate all the prayers I can get at this point. :)
Feather
Feather dear you do have my prayers. I pray that you receive healing in your
body from this pain. Please let us all know how you are doing after the
cooking.
I will, Diana...Thank you.
Hope you are having a better day and night today and tomorrow. . .
Feather
Thanks. Yes I am having a lot better day and night. Tomorrow will be even
better :-) I do hope your pain is not so intense or I actually hope it will
be gone by tomorrow.
I love soaking in a nice bubble bath and let the warm water ease my back.
You know like Calgon take me away LOL
You have my prayers, Feather, but you need to see a doctor right away.
Backs are strange things, and you can't just assume that the problem this
time is some progression of an old one.
Chuck Stamford
>
If this doesn't get better by tomorrow, you bet, Chuck - I WILL go. :)
Feather
>
>>
>
>
I hope so.....in so many ways.
> I do hope your pain is not so intense or I actually hope it will be gone
> by tomorrow.
It is still with me a little bit; I took a long hot bath and soaked and that
seemed to help a little :)
>
> I love soaking in a nice bubble bath and let the warm water ease my back.
> You know like Calgon take me away LOL
Yeah, it was sorta like that. :)
God bless,
Feather
>
>
You are without a doubt in my prayers, not only for tomorrow, but for
all of your health issues, and also as time goes on
Back pain is about the only debilitating condition I've had... so I can
sympathize with you (even though yours is different)...
Thought of you today when the cockatoos greeted us through the back yard...
You're in my prayers...
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I pray He will make you gooderer and gooderer from this affliction. :-)
Cheers.
Prayers going up for you Feather.
Love, Grace
I spoke with an old friend a couple days ago who thinks she's got maybe five
months to live. Dear heart is worried about her cats, what can you say to
people like that, I prayed for her and the cats. Bunny's son needs prayer
and her daughter also.
Holy Father in Jesus name take our prayers today and wrap them in your great
love, send the power of your Holy Spirit to heal, strenthen, guide and
comfort.
For all these things we give you praise.
Amen. Join and agree.
Grace
Okay, but also get it checked out. That's how my back
started. With a "pop".
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Sorry to hear that, Feather :( I know it's no use telling you to hand over
the cooking to someone else, so I hope you at least have lots of help and
can rest your leg / hip when you need to.
Jani
Thank you.
The other 'health issues' are doing quite well, thank GOD - maybe it's all
those prayers, eh? :)
Feather
eeee-yikes, Dave, you're kidding!! It's slightly better this morning. . .as
long as I sit straight or walk. So that's a good sign. But thanks for the
head's up.
Feather
True that; one of the cooks is gone, and the other has her own leg/calf
issues, but will be there this morning and she's almost 75, God bless her
heart.
My son will be there to help also.
God bless,
Feather
>
> Jani
>
>
awww, cockatoos. . .which kind? ;)
I will divert my attention away from the pain today through prayer and
seeing cockatoos in my head . . . **LOL** and serving.
God bless,
Feather
Gooderer and Gooderer. . .interesting...how about betterer and betterer?
Naw, that sounds too much like butter. hehehe
Feather
>
> Cheers.
>
TY.
>
>
Praying as informed. Have you tried a chiropractor?
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A **Chiropractor**???!!! Are you KIDDING??!! heheee
The reason I laugh is because I saw one once. He did an x-ray and said
"I cannot touch your back, I would make it worse"
All other chiropractor's I saw after that have pronounced the same
verdict; my back is beyond their ability to work with.
I have: two seven-inch long stainless steel rods, six four-inch long
pedicule screws, and three titanium cages filled with bone grafts
(from my hip and a cadaver donor) in my spine, Randy. And even before
that ten and a half hour long surgery in 2000, chiropractor's wouldn't
touch me. Why? Because I was missing a disk at one level - it was
completely gone, and the vertebrae didn't naturally fuse. I had three
fractures in my spine over the years from various falls (horse-back
riding accidents, being thrown down by a person and falling off a
wall as a kid, one one lower fractrure from giving birth to my
daughter, which broke my tail bone). I have severe degenerative disk
disease and a degenerative disease of my spine which rendered it as
useful for a chiropractor as peanut brittle. **lol**
Massage helps somewhat, but because the nerve root ending is involved
(I know this from a scan that was done last summer that left me with
the worst spinal headache I've ever had in my life) and there is
permanent damage to this nerve root ending, I should really be more
careful out there.....I had stopped walking for about two weeks
because I felt this coming on - but went out anyway to shoot the
sunset the other night: http://tinyurl.com/2o3l4x and wanted to
capture the effect of the sunset on the fog. . .came out pretty
good. . . ;) But the rocks I was standing on to get this shot are
about twenty feet above the shore - and steep - but easy to climb
without slipping due to their being rough (like hardened lava), and
the fact that I had my gortex climbing boots on. . .but that's beside
the point: I over-stretched to get my first foothold, and I think
that's when I wrenched it out.
Was it worth that photo? I dunno - the ratings are currently at 9.8
out of sixteen ratings. . .not bad for a possible 10 ;)
But still - my back and leg are paying the price.
I did OK during the cooking process this morning; I almost single-
handedly pulled it off: 30 pounds of chicken, baked after marinading
all night, mashed potatoes, gravy, mixed vegetables, salad and cookies
for dessert. But I DID have a lot of help: two guys came back after
eating and said, "You want some help with the dishes?" I said "YOU
BET! My dishwasher's called me this morning to say they'd be gone
driving a cancer patient over the hill for treatments, so you two are
a GOD-send"
:)
I didn't have to wash the tables, or sweep the floors, but I did have
to sweep and mop the kitchen, which wasn't so bad, and we got to play
Farkle afterwards, too ;)
Now I am home, and plan to rest for a while. . .will I take a sunset
walk? That depends on how I feel. I am sore now. I need to lie down.
God bless and thank you for your prayers and your suggestion; I only
WISH I could see a chiropractor. I have an appt. to see the doc on
Thursday next week and we will go from there. In the meantime I may
have to go back on Neurontin for the nerve pain.
Feather
Is that all? It's just a flesh wound...I've had worse (no I
haven't :).
Sorry to hear that.
Good. Glory to God.
>Now I am home, and plan to rest for a while. . .will I take a sunset
>walk? That depends on how I feel. I am sore now. I need to lie down.
Yeah.
>God bless and thank you for your prayers and your suggestion; I only
>WISH I could see a chiropractor. I have an appt. to see the doc on
>Thursday next week and we will go from there. In the meantime I may
>have to go back on Neurontin for the nerve pain.
>
>Feather
Well, keep the prayer groups informed.
Grace and peace.
(Joke: my pastor calls me a "snip" sometimes because I can be rather
verbally sharp. . .)
>
> >I have: two seven-inch long stainless steel rods, six four-inch long
> >pedicule screws, and three titanium cages filled with bone grafts
> >(from my hip and a cadaver donor) in my spine, Randy. And even before
> >that ten and a half hour long surgery in 2000, chiropractor's wouldn't
> >touch me. Why? Because I was missing a disk at one level - it was
> >completely gone, and the vertebrae didn't naturally fuse. I had three
> >fractures in my spine over the years from various falls (horse-back
> >riding accidents, being thrown down by a person and falling off  a
> >wall as a kid, one one lower fractrure from giving birth to my
> >daughter, which broke my tail bone). I have severe degenerative disk
> >disease and a degenerative disease of my spine which rendered it as
> >useful for a chiropractor as peanut brittle. **lol**
>
> Is that all? Â It's just a flesh wound...I've had worse (no I
> haven't :).
**LOL**
At least it isn't shrapnel!!!!
>
> Sorry to hear that.
It's OK even if you're not, you know that? God brought me through some
really hectic time during the week I was in the hospital (most people
who have this operation are up out of bed and walking and going home
within four days; I didn't walk until the fourth day, because the
bones are so brittle, but I did eventually have no choice and when
they first made me walk, the pain down the left leg was IN-tense. For
a while afterwards, the bone-graft site hurt worse than the main
surgical site).
<<SNIP SNIP>>
>
> >I did OK during the cooking process this morning; I almost single-
> >handedly pulled it off: 30 pounds of chicken, baked after marinading
> >all night, mashed potatoes, gravy, mixed vegetables, salad and cookies
> >for dessert. But I DID have a lot of help: two guys came back after
> >eating and said, "You want some help with the dishes?" I said "YOU
> >BET! My dishwasher's called me this morning to say they'd be gone
> >driving a cancer patient over the hill for treatments, so you two are
> >a GOD-send"
>
> >:)
>
> >I didn't have to wash the tables, or sweep the floors, but I did have
> >to sweep and mop the kitchen, which wasn't so bad, and we got to play
> >Farkle afterwards, too ;)
>
> Good. Â Glory to God.
YES. TO GOD be the glory - HE gave me strength, HE brought those men
to help with the kitchen - He is the Provider and He is glorified
forever and ever, Amen
>
> >Now I am home, and plan to rest for a while. . .will I take a sunset
> >walk? That depends on how I feel. I am sore now. I need to lie down.
>
> Yeah.
I did :)
>
> >God bless and thank you for your prayers and your suggestion; I only
> >WISH I could see a chiropractor. I have an appt. to see the doc on
> >Thursday next week and we will go from there. In the meantime I may
> >have to go back on Neurontin for the nerve pain.
>
> >Feather
>
> Well, keep the prayer groups informed.
Most certainly. I slept for a while. . .and woke pretty refreshed
without use of severe pain meds. I am running out of Ibuprofen and am
saving the last one for tonight so I can sleep without taking anything
heavy (I am a drug hypersensitive and would rather not take something
extreme).
I see the doctor on Thursday, did I say that? (any reason these
messages aren't showing up in alt.christnet.prayer?)
God bless,
Feather
>
> Grace and peace.
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>Most certainly. I slept for a while. . .and woke pretty refreshed
>without use of severe pain meds.
Good.
>I am running out of Ibuprofen and am
>saving the last one for tonight so I can sleep without taking anything
>heavy (I am a drug hypersensitive and would rather not take something
>extreme).
What about acetaminophen?
>I see the doctor on Thursday, did I say that? (any reason these
>messages aren't showing up in alt.christnet.prayer?)
I didn't see it in the header, so am adding it now.
Tried it; did not work. I am thinking there's inflammation; tylenol
(acetimenophen) isn't an anti-inflammatory, like ibuprofen is :)
>
> >I see the doctor on Thursday, did I say that? (any reason these
> >messages aren't showing up in alt.christnet.prayer?)
>
> I didn't see it in the header, so am adding it now.
Interesting; I put it in the CC.
>On Aug 18, 9:08 am, ®andy <pulpitf...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> On Sat, 18 Aug 2007 08:36:12 -0700,
>> Â in article
>> <1187451372.344142.290...@z24g2000prh.googlegroups.com>,
>>
>> Â Feather <feat...@earthling.net> wrote:
>>
>> >Most certainly. I slept for a while. . .and woke pretty refreshed
>> >without use of severe pain meds.
>>
>> Good.
>>
>> >I am running out of Ibuprofen and am
>> >saving the last one for tonight so I can sleep without taking anything
>> >heavy (I am a drug hypersensitive and would rather not take something
>> >extreme).
>>
>> What about acetaminophen?
>
>Tried it; did not work. I am thinking there's inflammation; tylenol
>(acetimenophen) isn't an anti-inflammatory, like ibuprofen is :)
>
>
>>
>> >I see the doctor on Thursday, did I say that? (any reason these
>> >messages aren't showing up in alt.christnet.prayer?)
>>
>> I didn't see it in the header, so am adding it now.
>
>Interesting; I put it in the CC.
It's not e-mail, that you can CC. You have to put it in the
Newsgroups field, usually separated by a comma from the other
newsgroups.
Thought it was different through Google....knew that it was true the
way you describe from the email programs I generally use, but didn't
know it could be done that way through Google. TY :)
Meantime - update: went for a drive and alternated it with short
hikes, no climbing, just mainly walking.....not much pain at the
moment, praise GOD. :)
Thank you again for your prayers,
Feather
>Meantime - update: went for a drive and alternated it with short
>hikes, no climbing, just mainly walking.....not much pain at the
>moment, praise GOD. :)
Good. Thank God.
Tried it; did not work. I am thinking there's inflammation; tylenol
(acetimenophen) isn't an anti-inflammatory, like ibuprofen is :)
Feather, I just saw this. I had a doctor tell me that Ibuprofen's
anti-inflammatory effects do not occur at daily dosages of less than 800 mg.
Have you talked to your doctor about that?
Chuck Stamford
>
> >I see the doctor on Thursday, did I say that? (any reason these
> >messages aren't showing up in alt.christnet.prayer?)
>
> I didn't see it in the header, so am adding it now.
Interesting; I put it in the CC.
>
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Thought it was different through Google....knew that it was true the
way you describe from the email programs I generally use, but didn't
know it could be done that way through Google. TY :)
Meantime - update: went for a drive and alternated it with short
hikes, no climbing, just mainly walking.....not much pain at the
moment, praise GOD. :)
Thank you again for your prayers,
Feather
Good to hear. Have a blessed day.
Grace
Chuck -
since this has been an ongoing problem for about seven years off and
on - (the nerve damage being permanent and it acting up whenever
there's inflammation, either caused by an arthritic flareup or an
injury or both, which is what I suspect this latter problem to be), I
am used to taking 600 - 800 mg of ibuprofen sometimes up to three
times a day for about ten days on a therapeutic dose, so yes, my
doctor is very familiar with this and yes, I take more than what one
would buy over the counter; I get my dosages prescribed in either 600
mg or 800 mg form.
Feather
thanks, Grace -
it's back with a vengeance today - probably from sitting too much at
church and then at lunch. Am only up for a bit until I have to lie
down again, and then back to church in a couple of hours.
Thanks for the continued prayers. The walk yesterday was worth it, but
I cannot stay in motion constantly; I gotta sleep SOMETIME. LOL
God bless,
Feather
> the cockatoos greeted us through the back yard...
You'll have to stop organising those Two Up games!
(The Cockatoo was the person who watched out for police at a Two Up game.)
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
The game of two-up
M. G. Heuston, who served with 2/12th Commando Squadron during the Second
World War, ran a two-up game during this time. In the following account, he
explains how the game was played.
To stage a game required a quiet spot, with a flat area big enough for an
18- or 20-foot radius circle clearly etched in the dirt. This was done with
twine, with two loops, one at each end, using bayonets to mark the circle.
The boxer or manager of the game sat with his coins, kips, string and money
tray in the place where he could view the whole ring clearly.
The ringie, who was usually a friend who volunteered, ran the centre of the
ring.
When the game was about to commence, there would be a number of people
around and outside the circle. The boxer would call and ask for a spinner,
who would have the right to select whether he wanted to play two-up or swy
(also know as "sudden death").
The kip would then hold two or three pennies, depending on the game. (Some
of the kips were smooth, with no ridges in the wood. It was illegal for
anyone to use their fingers in the game I ran, so we had "lips" on the
various kips for right or left handed spinners who were not adept at using
the smooth kip. The plastic used on some of the kips I used was taken from
crashed planes on the side of the airstrip at Morotai.)
The spinner would then select the coins that he wished to use (Queens, new
or old, baldies, George V, etc.).
The head side on each penny was polished and the tail side was left dark, so
that it was obvious to anyone around the ring whether the coin fell as head
or tail.
It was the ringie's job to ensure that the coins were tossed at least 10
feet into the air, and that they spun well and were not "feathered" in any
way. If the coins didn't't satisfy these specifications in his opinion, he
would call " foul toss " and catch one of the coins.
The ringie would place the coins tail up on the kip. The call "come in
spinner " was made from the box. The spinner then tossed the coins. All
pennies (whether two or three) had to fall within the circle. If one fell
outside or on the circle, it was declared void by the ringie. The spinner
then had another turn.
While this was happening, side bets were allowed around the ring. There were
two distinct types of betting:
a.. betting that the spinner would toss heads or tails
b.. other tail betters would bet 3/1 that heads would not be tossed twice.
In all cases, the bets were held in front of the tail better, who covered
them in every instance before the boxer called "come in spinner".
The spinner had the right to continue spinning while ever he tossed heads.
If he tossed three heads in a row, the boxer would take his commission out
of the centre (the guts) and the spinner had the right to toss the kip (and
take the money) or continue spinning. The change of spinner went clockwise
around the ring.
If the spinner got to six heads in a row, the boxer took another commission,
and the game continued until the spinner tossed tails or tossed the kip.
In some places, a multitude of currencies was used. It was the boxer's call
which stated the exchange rate for any or all currency. In addition, he
could exchange currencies.
At the end of the game, if the tail betters had had a good day, they would
sling the boxer, to compensate him for the use of his facilities.
As the game was held more often than once a week, you found that some of
your customers went broke. The boxer usually lent them enough for cigarettes
and a beer until next pay.
A game would run for up to three or four hours.
Glossary of terms
Boxer:
the game owner.
Ringie:
the supervisor in the ring.
Kip:
the flat board used to throw the coins.
Spinner:
the player who throws or tosses the pennies.
Queens, Baldies, George V or VI:
coins available for the spinner to choose. (The Queen is Queen Victoria;
the Baldie is Edward VII.)
Toss the kip:
to pull out of the game and take the stake.
Tail-betters:
the name for those who bet only on tails. In most cases, they chose not to
spin the coins.
Sling:
a tip given to the boxer
from http://www.awm.gov.au/Encyclopedia/two_up/howto.htm
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Feather
I was thinking that the usual dosages for perscription ibuprofen are at the
250 and 500 mg levels, and you mentioned saving your last one in case the
pain from the inflammation got too bad. That left me thinking you might be
using a pain control strategy that had little or no chance of working. Glad
to hear I was all wrong.
Interestingly, this morning from the pulpit our pastor asked us to pray for
a woman who was going to have surgery this Wednesday to remove the two rods
she had in her back. Maybe your prayers, given your circumstances, would be
more effective?
Chuck Stamford
Hmm, I don't know about my prayers being more effective under *my*
circumstances; I am nothing, really. But I will pray for her
anyway. :)
Did your pastor give a reason why her rods were being removed?
I know a man locally who has two sets of rods at two levels in his
spine, with bonegrafts and screws (no cages), and he is in constant,
miserable pain, much worse than I. He cannot have them removed as the
stenosis has grown to ENCLOSE the rods and his spine is exceedingly
stiff.
I know another woman who used to live here, but moved to Arkansas,
who'd had similar surgery to mine about a year or so before me, and
during my time of recuperation in the spring and summer of 2000, she
underwent surgery to have her rods and screws removed because she was
in constant pain.
Now, I don't have pain from the rods, screws or cages. What I have is:
residual nerve damage - partly from the surgery, partly from an
assault - that has left me with two options:
A). do nothing and just continue walking and physical therapy
exercises, along with anti-inflammatory treatment for the flareups
B). have the nerve root ending cauterized, a procedure which would
have to be redone every six months to a year, depending.
Now, which would YOU do? ;)
In the meantime, I am feeling better this morning after a good night's
rest.....have some minutes to type, dishes to do, and a couple of bird
cages to clean ;)
God bless,
Feather
Well, Mark, THAT was entertaining. ;0
Feather
>> > the cockatoos greeted us through the back yard...
>> You'll have to stop organising those Two Up games!
>> (The Cockatoo was the person who watched out for police at a Two Up
>> game.)
...
> Well, Mark, THAT was entertaining. ;0
See? Anything can be taken out of context.
I meant you probably have a connection to her I don't have, given the back
problems you've dealt with for so long.
Did your pastor give a reason why her rods were being removed?
No.
I know a man locally who has two sets of rods at two levels in his
spine, with bonegrafts and screws (no cages), and he is in constant,
miserable pain, much worse than I. He cannot have them removed as the
stenosis has grown to ENCLOSE the rods and his spine is exceedingly
stiff.
I know another woman who used to live here, but moved to Arkansas,
who'd had similar surgery to mine about a year or so before me, and
during my time of recuperation in the spring and summer of 2000, she
underwent surgery to have her rods and screws removed because she was
in constant pain.
Now, I don't have pain from the rods, screws or cages. What I have is:
residual nerve damage - partly from the surgery, partly from an
assault - that has left me with two options:
A). do nothing and just continue walking and physical therapy
exercises, along with anti-inflammatory treatment for the flareups
B). have the nerve root ending cauterized, a procedure which would
have to be redone every six months to a year, depending.
Now, which would YOU do? ;)
Boy, talk about going to a dry well for water! What I'd do is thank God I
don't have your back, and ask him to make sure you don't have it anymore
either.
Chuck Stamford
:)
600 mg - 800 mg - the prescription was renewed yesterday and just in
time, too. The pain has gotten so bad that I had to also be prescribed
something much heavier; I **rarely** take heavy pain meds, but my leg
and foot aren't cooperating in walking well since about last Saturday.
I tried to go out walking on the 21st and it just made everything
worse. Doc wants me to stretch more for now and walk as the stretches
relieve the pressure and to take the therapeutic doses of ibuprofen
combined with the heavier narcotic pain med at night or twice a day,
depending on whether or not I am driving. (I refuse to drive when
there are heavy pain meds involved.)
>
> > Interestingly, this morning from the pulpit our pastor asked us to pray
> > for
> > a woman who was going to have surgery this Wednesday to remove the two
> > rods
> > she had in her back. Maybe your prayers, given your circumstances, would
> > be
> > more effective?
>
> > Chuck Stamford- Hide quoted text -
>
> > - Show quoted text -
>
> Hmm, I don't know about my prayers being more effective under *my*
> circumstances; I am nothing, really. But I will pray for her
> anyway. :)
>
> I meant you probably have a connection to her I don't have, given the back
> problems you've dealt with for so long.
Connection? You mean "sympathy" or "empathy"?
What's very interesting to me with regards to people with back
troubles is that no two are exactly alike and no two experience the
same exact kinds of pain - some describe the nerve root pain such as
what I have as shooting, stabbing sensations, while others call it hot
and cold. Mine are hot AND cold ice crystal shards running up and down
my leg into my foot. SHARP, stabbing, hot, cold, and a burning
sensation. This is nerve stuff. There is only one thing that can
currently be done for it on my insurance; cauterization. I opted out.
Most nerve cauterizations have to be done repeatedly (every six
months) to be effective forms of pain relief. I don't want to go under
the knife every six months.
IF worse comes to worse, I **might** look into the option of having
the rods and screws removed **if** it is recommended.
But of course, I will pray for your sister in Christ. :) (OUR sister
in Christ).
>
> Did your pastor give a reason why her rods were being removed?
>
> No.
I wonder if it was due to chronic pain.
>
> I know a man locally who has two sets of rods at two levels in his
> spine, with bonegrafts and screws (no cages), and he is in constant,
> miserable pain, much worse than I. He cannot have them removed as the
> stenosis has grown to ENCLOSE the rods and his spine is exceedingly
> stiff.
>
> I know another woman who used to live here, but moved to Arkansas,
> who'd had similar surgery to mine about a year or so before me, and
> during my time of recuperation in the spring and summer of 2000, she
> underwent surgery to have her rods and screws removed because she was
> in constant pain.
>
> Now, I don't have pain from the rods, screws or cages. What I have is:
>
> residual nerve damage - partly from the surgery, partly from an
> assault - that has left me with two options:
>
> A). do nothing and just continue walking and physical therapy
> exercises, along with anti-inflammatory treatment for the flareups
>
> B). have the nerve root ending cauterized, a procedure which would
> have to be redone every six months to a year, depending.
>
> Now, which would YOU do? ;)
>
> Boy, talk about going to a dry well for water! What I'd do is thank God I
> don't have your back, and ask him to make sure you don't have it anymore
> either.
Some day He will remove my proverbial thorn. He allows it to remain to
KEEP ME HUMBLE: this I know, this I accept, and move on from day to
day praying that He would spare **others** this problem.
God bless you Chuck and thank you for your continued prayers,
Feather
:)
Chuck:
I mean a shared suffering; a common knowledge of a particular ailment and
handicap.
What's very interesting to me with regards to people with back
troubles is that no two are exactly alike and no two experience the
same exact kinds of pain - some describe the nerve root pain such as
what I have as shooting, stabbing sensations, while others call it hot
and cold. Mine are hot AND cold ice crystal shards running up and down
my leg into my foot. SHARP, stabbing, hot, cold, and a burning
sensation. This is nerve stuff. There is only one thing that can
currently be done for it on my insurance; cauterization. I opted out.
Most nerve cauterizations have to be done repeatedly (every six
months) to be effective forms of pain relief. I don't want to go under
the knife every six months.
IF worse comes to worse, I **might** look into the option of having
the rods and screws removed **if** it is recommended.
But of course, I will pray for your sister in Christ. :) (OUR sister
in Christ).
Chuck:
Thank you.
Feather, have you been given a prognosis for your condition?
>
> Did your pastor give a reason why her rods were being removed?
>
> No.
I wonder if it was due to chronic pain.
Chuck:
Now you've got me confused. I would have thought chronic pain was the
reason for putting the rods in, not taking them out. And when I said my
pastor didn't give a reason, I hope you took that as my failure to remember
him doing it, because that's what I meant. It's not my habit to pay much
attention to any reason given for a prayer request. I figure it this way:
if God wants me to know what to pray for in a given set of circumstances,
he'll make sure I know what it is, and if it's not important to him that I
know, then any reason my pastor gives isn't going to make it important that
I know.
>
> I know a man locally who has two sets of rods at two levels in his
> spine, with bonegrafts and screws (no cages), and he is in constant,
> miserable pain, much worse than I. He cannot have them removed as the
> stenosis has grown to ENCLOSE the rods and his spine is exceedingly
> stiff.
>
> I know another woman who used to live here, but moved to Arkansas,
> who'd had similar surgery to mine about a year or so before me, and
> during my time of recuperation in the spring and summer of 2000, she
> underwent surgery to have her rods and screws removed because she was
> in constant pain.
>
> Now, I don't have pain from the rods, screws or cages. What I have is:
>
> residual nerve damage - partly from the surgery, partly from an
> assault - that has left me with two options:
>
> A). do nothing and just continue walking and physical therapy
> exercises, along with anti-inflammatory treatment for the flareups
>
> B). have the nerve root ending cauterized, a procedure which would
> have to be redone every six months to a year, depending.
>
> Now, which would YOU do? ;)
>
> Boy, talk about going to a dry well for water! What I'd do is thank God I
> don't have your back, and ask him to make sure you don't have it anymore
> either.
Some day He will remove my proverbial thorn. He allows it to remain to
KEEP ME HUMBLE: this I know, this I accept, and move on from day to
day praying that He would spare **others** this problem.
Chuck:
Boy! If it takes something like this just to keep you humble, you must have
a truly standard setting natural tendency toward arrogance! How about this?
How about you just allow Jesus to take your natural arrogance away without
hurting you, and stop accepting a "thorn" he probably doesn't want you to
bear?
God bless you Chuck and thank you for your continued prayers,
Chuck:
Who said anything about "continued" prayers? ;-)
Feather: Ahh, OK, understood.
(Though I do not understand about the attributes on the newsgroup
lately; seems I am answering you on some points when I am actually
reading what I had written a few days ago! **LOL**)
>
> What's very interesting to me with regards to people with back
> troubles is that no two are exactly alike and no two experience the
> same exact kinds of pain - some describe the nerve root pain such as
> what I have as shooting, stabbing sensations, while others call it hot
> and cold. Mine are hot AND cold ice crystal shards running up and down
> my leg into my foot. SHARP, stabbing, hot, cold, and a burning
> sensation. This is nerve stuff. There is only one thing that can
> currently be done for it on my insurance; cauterization. I opted out.
> Most nerve cauterizations have to be done repeatedly (every six
> months) to be effective forms of pain relief. I don't want to go under
> the knife every six months.
>
> IF worse comes to worse, I **might** look into the option of having
> the rods and screws removed **if** it is recommended.
>
> But of course, I will pray for your sister in Christ. :) (OUR sister
> in Christ).
>
> Chuck:
>
> Thank you.
Feather: You're welcome.
>
> Feather, have you been given a prognosis for your condition?
Feather: It's permanent nerve damage - it can only be treated with
cauterization of the nerve, presently, and in the future, there may
come different methods of treatment for those who have BUKU BUCKOLAs. ;
0
At present, my insurance won't cover anything beyond medicines and
cauterization, which I won't have done because it's a treatment method
that is #1., invasive and #2. would need to be repeated about every
six months or so.
>
>
>
> > Did your pastor give a reason why her rods were being removed?
>
> > No.
>
> I wonder if it was due to chronic pain.
>
> Chuck:
>
> Now you've got me confused. I would have thought chronic pain was the
> reason for putting the rods in, not taking them out.
Feather: Sometimes the rods and screws can cause even worse pain; some
people's bodies will reject certain foreign substances, such as
stainless steel (which are what the rods are made of), and will react
accordingly, causing much pain and numbness, mimicking nerve damage.
Since I had the nerve MRI'd, they were able to just barely see that
the L/5 nerve root ending is enlarged - the cages at L-5 and S-1
didn't "take," meaning that the bone grafts within the titanium cages
at that level did **not** fuse the spine like they were supposed to.
Though the rods and screws keep it from shifting **too** much, there
is still a **bit** of forward, sideways and backward slippage going
on, causing major irritation of that nerve root ending and therefore,
the swelling - it's permanent. My insurance would cover a rod and
screw removal surgery, butat this stage (seven and a half years post
op), it wouldn't do me any good; the damage has been done. That is one
reason why it is better for me to do strengthening exercises and
walking with the clenching of certain muscles as I walk. Curls and
hamstring stretches are also good; they help me with the strengthening
of the quads and the glutes and the abs as well as the calf muscles
when I am walking, which in turn support the areas that are weakened
by the nerve damage.
> And when I said my
> pastor didn't give a reason, I hope you took that as my failure to remember
> him doing it, because that's what I meant.
Feather: No worries. Sometimes prayer requests are like that; it's not
always good to know reasons, but only to pray. I didn't take it badly,
Chuck. :)
> It's not my habit to pay much
> attention to any reason given for a prayer request. I figure it this way:
> if God wants me to know what to pray for in a given set of circumstances,
> he'll make sure I know what it is, and if it's not important to him that I
> know, then any reason my pastor gives isn't going to make it important that
> I know.
Feather: My point exactly.
Feather: **LOL** Not so much that as pride. Pride in self-ability,
mostly. Lately, however, it's become a pride in HIS strength, HIS
mercy, HIS grace and HIS power in my life rather than His giving ME
any power. Does that make sense?
> How about this?
> How about you just allow Jesus to take your natural arrogance away without
> hurting you, and stop accepting a "thorn" he probably doesn't want you to
> bear?
Feather: He has *allowed* me to go through this for His reasons; I
know and accept this without complaining - most of the time. The "self-
pity party" isn't as effective as leaning on Him, and it's certainly
more draining, emotionally. GOD takes care of me, Chuck, believe
me. :)
>
> God bless you Chuck and thank you for your continued prayers,
>
> Chuck:
>
> Who said anything about "continued" prayers? ;-)-
Feather: OH. OK. So *don't* pray then! See if I care!!!
heheheheheheheeeeee :P
Feather
Feather: Ahh, OK, understood.
(Though I do not understand about the attributes on the newsgroup
lately; seems I am answering you on some points when I am actually
reading what I had written a few days ago! **LOL**)
C: Feather, I've never been able to figure them out. They come, they go,
such is life. However, this is the first time I've ever seen them go for
this many posting cycles in a row.
>
> What's very interesting to me with regards to people with back
> troubles is that no two are exactly alike and no two experience the
> same exact kinds of pain - some describe the nerve root pain such as
> what I have as shooting, stabbing sensations, while others call it hot
> and cold. Mine are hot AND cold ice crystal shards running up and down
> my leg into my foot. SHARP, stabbing, hot, cold, and a burning
> sensation. This is nerve stuff. There is only one thing that can
> currently be done for it on my insurance; cauterization. I opted out.
> Most nerve cauterizations have to be done repeatedly (every six
> months) to be effective forms of pain relief. I don't want to go under
> the knife every six months.
>
> IF worse comes to worse, I **might** look into the option of having
> the rods and screws removed **if** it is recommended.
>
> But of course, I will pray for your sister in Christ. :) (OUR sister
> in Christ).
>
> Chuck:
>
> Thank you.
Feather: You're welcome.
C: I did remember a bit more about the woman's condition. As I recall, she
was having the rods removed because her doctor thought her back had become
strong enough not to need their support anymore. However, you should take
this bit of info with a HUGE grain of salt....I have perhaps one of the ten
worst memories on planet earth in persons not suffering from Alzheimer's. I
could be one of those people who has the disease for a couple of decades
before anyone notices.
>
> Feather, have you been given a prognosis for your condition?
Feather: It's permanent nerve damage - it can only be treated with
cauterization of the nerve, presently, and in the future, there may
come different methods of treatment for those who have BUKU BUCKOLAs. ;
0
At present, my insurance won't cover anything beyond medicines and
cauterization, which I won't have done because it's a treatment method
that is #1., invasive and #2. would need to be repeated about every
six months or so.
C: That's not what I meant. I've not heard of any back treatments
involving surgery that were able to do more than slow down the progression
of the injury. But it's been many years since I've heard anything at all
about the prognosis for major back injuries like yours.
Feather: My point exactly.
C: Of course it does. Perception may not be everything, but it's a lot.
It's tough being a worker bee and not taking pride in that fact. It's easy
to trust in God's strength when you're overloaded and strong and proud of
what you're doing for him and his kingdom. It's a bit tougher when you're
overloaded, hurt, and cognizant every moment that you're not doing anything
for him at all; it's he who is doing it for you.
> How about this?
> How about you just allow Jesus to take your natural arrogance away without
> hurting you, and stop accepting a "thorn" he probably doesn't want you to
> bear?
Feather: He has *allowed* me to go through this for His reasons; I
know and accept this without complaining - most of the time. The "self-
pity party" isn't as effective as leaning on Him, and it's certainly
more draining, emotionally. GOD takes care of me, Chuck, believe
me. :)
C: I'm as sure of that as I am of anything, Feather.
>
> God bless you Chuck and thank you for your continued prayers,
>
> Chuck:
>
> Who said anything about "continued" prayers? ;-)-
Feather: OH. OK. So *don't* pray then! See if I care!!!
heheheheheheheeeeee :P
C: I was never never really confident in my understanding of that parable
our Lord gave about the woman who kept banging on the householder's door
until he finally got out of bed and answered her. But I "think" it had to
do with delaying granting her desire being of some benefit to her, perhaps
allowing her to manifest just how sincere that desire was so she could see
it for herself (a lot of things can run through one's mind in ten, fifteen
minutes worth of banging on the door of a completely dark house facing a
very dark street!); so there wouldn't be any doubts in her about how much
she really wanted what she wanted after she got it.
If that's even in the neighorhood of being a correct understanding of the
parable, then YOU won't be affected at all by my praying for your healing
only once. I might be affected by it, but you can't be.
And you know, I just had a thought (actually, I've had this thought for
years, but it just came back again) I'd like to hear your thoughts about...
You know how it is when you really want something; some specific thing? You
can see it in your mind before you ever get to the store (I'm going to use
the example of something you can buy in a store, but it can really be
anything). You've waited and waited, and now it's time to go buy it. You
walk into the store, you pick up your desire, pay for it, and generally
before you even get it home there's this vague sense of a kind of let down
that steals over you for just a moment, and then it's usually gone. Do you
know what I'm talking about? That feeling that flits in and out of the
experience of getting your desire?
What is that? And where does it come from? I've got my suspicions, but I'd
like to hear yours if you have any.
God bless
Chuck Stamford
<<Snipped to the relevant points>>
>
> And you know, I just had a thought (actually, I've had this thought for
> years, but it just came back again) I'd like to hear your thoughts about...
>
> You know how it is when you really want something; some specific thing? You
> can see it in your mind before you ever get to the store (I'm going to use
> the example of something you can buy in a store, but it can really be
> anything). You've waited and waited, and now it's time to go buy it. You
> walk into the store, you pick up your desire, pay for it, and generally
> before you even get it home there's this vague sense of a kind of let down
> that steals over you for just a moment, and then it's usually gone. Do you
> know what I'm talking about? That feeling that flits in and out of the
> experience of getting your desire?
>
> What is that? And where does it come from? I've got my suspicions, but I'd
> like to hear yours if you have any.
It's called 'let down,' and happens when what we receive as a result
of certain expectations, doesn't meet them and then disappointment
sets in.
I think it stems as a result of unrealistic expectations, myself.
Someone once told me "Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed."
There's a lot of wisdom in that, I think.
God bless,
Feather
>
> God bless
>
> Chuck Stamford
Hey, the attributions worked! Okay, what did you do differently? ;-)
No, I'm not talking about being let down by the reality not measuring up to
our expectations; I'm talking about something else. What I'm talking about
can and does happen even before you can possibly know whether or not what
you just got measures up, fails to measure up, or exceeds your expectations.
It really has nothing to do with the specific thing it is that you got.
What I'm talking about is what happens to us after we make a choice that we
percieve to be important, regardless of the choice we make. Now this
happens most often when we buy something, but it can and does often happen
any time we make an important choice. And I *think* what it has to do with
is that before we make the choice we eventually make, we have a power to
create that we lose the moment we make the choice. If we choose A (just
using a letter here to symbolize one of the two or more alternatives we were
faced with in making our important [to us] choice), then we "actualize" the
possible world in which A comes to exist. Let's call this world WA. If we
choose B, then we forever reject creating WA, in favor of creating
(actualizing) WB.
And this holds true for all of our choices, no matter how insignificant they
may seem to us, but with the insignificant ones we don't get this vague
feeling of loss in the choosing as we do with the more important ones to us.
There is always this notion (feeling?), no matter how indistinct it may be
for us, or how fleeting, that for every gain there is at LEAST an equal
lose, and perhaps a much more than equal lose. It makes free will in us
sort of like the second law of thermodynamics; in that no matter what
choices one makes the best they can do is break even.
Of course all of this ignores completely that some possible worlds are much
better than others, and that by our choices we can actualize better ones or
worse ones, but this aspect of free will has to do with the content of our
choices, which isn't what I'm focusing on here. What I'm focusing on here
is that if it is true that by our choices in life we actualize possible
worlds (and this certainly seems true according to any possible worlds
analysis of modal logic), then it is true that by any one of those choices
(regardless of the quality of possible world it actualizes) we actualize
only one possible world, while at the same time precluding forever the
possibility of any number of other possible worlds becoming actual; i.e.,
all those possible worlds in which we chose other than we did in the acutal
world we created by the choice we, in fact, made.
It's just that it wasn't until I became aware of the possible worlds
analysis first discovered and used by the Christian genius Gottfried
Leibneiz, that I got my first fleeing glimpse of the awesome power God has
gifted us with in making us in his "image and likeness", and how
unthinkingly we tend to toss that power around and take it for granted. In
giving us the power to be "like" him, he gave us some degree of power as
little creators; gave to us the power to actualize a possible world, just as
he did in actualizing the possible world he did that contains us in it!
That vague sense of loss that occasionally steals over me in that moment
immediately after having made some significant (to me) choice never happens
anymore without seeing just a bit of the great gift God has given me out of
love...the glorious gift, and the great responsibility that comes with the
inherent power of free will.
>
> Someone once told me "Expect nothing and you won't be disappointed."
>
> There's a lot of wisdom in that, I think.
A bit too cynical for me to be calling it "wisdom". God is certainly wise,
and he certainly recommends we have expectations. In fact, I think he makes
some of those expectations mandatory if we're to please him, if I recall
correctly.
Chuck Stamford
OK, I went back to the doc today - we went over my neuro-scans from
last summer (!) and found that I have a "metallic fragment" adhering
to and possibly embedded in, the L-5 nerve root within the spinal
canal.
It has to be removed. I have to curtail a lot of my physical
activities except physical therapy for a while - I have a call in to
the neurosurgeon who will schedule me soon for a prelim. appt. to
discover what happened; what part of my hardware broke, etc.
Meantime, I am somewhat relieved by this; at least I KNOW what's wrong
and what can be done. My whining is because I want to walk, hike,
climb and continue that stuff with my camera, but I have to stop for a
while until we do the surgery.
Please keep me in your prayers and thank you,
Feather
> OK, I went back to the doc today - we went over my neuro-scans from
> last summer (!) and found that I have a "metallic fragment" adhering
> to and possibly embedded in, the L-5 nerve root within the spinal
> canal.
You're sounding like the Tin Man.
Don't go near water. You'll rust. ;-)
Are you whining again?! Hahaha!!! <lol!> :)
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Naw...but I won't be hiking for a while.....I wish I had known this a
year ago.
Feather
SQUEAK, WHINE, MOAN AND GROAN AND COMPLAIN. *LOL*
>> >OK, I went back to the doc today - we went over my neuro-scans from
>> >last summer (!) and found that I have a "metallic fragment" adhering
>> >to and possibly embedded in, the L-5 nerve root within the spinal
>> >canal.
...
> SQUEAK
See?
You're rusting already!
Get the oil ready!
James 5:14
Is any sick among you? let him call for the elders of the church; and let
them pray over him, anointing him with oil in the name of the Lord:
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Tin Woman
OK, whining is OUT.
When we re-checked the radiology report from last summer (again !!!),
we discovered that it IS a titanium cage that has fragmented,
according to the report.
TITANIUM'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE STRONGEST METAL IN THE WORLD! HOW did it
break?
>From being yanked around by the arm, that's how. SHEESH.
That happened Jan 18, 2005, Martin Luther King Jr Day. What a way to
remember that, eh?
THANKS be to GOD that the person who did that is no longer living in
this area.
So now, and I am probably jumping the gun here, it looks like that
cage will have to be removed and that the fragment in touch with the
L5 nerve root ending will ALSO have to be removed.
I am heading over to another site to ask some questions of those who
have had this surgery before....
meantime, please keep praying.
I am now on Neurontin, up to 900 mg per day along with another 1800 mg
per day of Ibuprofen, which means I will probably have to go on a
higher dose of the Tagamet to treat my acid reflux and ulcer. **sigh**
(The acid reflux and ulcer are from taking too much aspirin over the
years).
Thanks again and God bless you all,
Feather, drowning in lots of H2O ;)
> When we re-checked the radiology report from last summer (again !!!),
> we discovered that it IS a titanium cage that has fragmented,
> according to the report.
>
> TITANIUM'S SUPPOSED TO BE THE STRONGEST METAL IN THE >WORLD! HOW did it
> break?
Either a bloody big strong bird tryting to get out of the cage
OR
a miracle!!!!
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