Old Testament study is a must. . .
Feather Forestwalker
sort of came home to me last night when we were reading the book of Hosea
together. . .
. . .ever since we started our Wednesday afternoon Bible studies with the
book of Genesis (we are now nearing the end of Exodus), I've seen a common
thread being woven throughout much of the Old Testament that I've read so
far.
This has included some of the major prophets, Proverbs, Psalms, and a few
more somewhat "obscure" books, such as Ecclesiastes, Lamentations and others
I wouldn't have dared read or even take much of a look at before.
These common threads have been how the anger of God has been tempered with
His love, His care, His GRACE.
Seems that all of what I have read so far of the Old Testament plays this
out:
God loves His own, treats them much as a loving but firm Father would - even
illustrates how forgiving He can be. . .
. . .and on another level, He often treats His own as a wife - a loving wife
being described in Proverbs 31, but in Hosea, the forgiveness of God towards
His straying Israel (she, playing the harlot with other 'gods', for example)
is shown in the story of Hosea taking a prostitute for a wife and her
children being the fruit of others' loins and yet still, Hosea takes her
back, nay, even BUYS her back from those that have taken her into slavery.
God is our Creator, no?
As such, He can do whatever He so chooses with His own. That's something
that's been very hard for me to wrap my mind around as a concept, until I
realized: He gave me a talent for creating, too!
That talent has included, but is not limited to, the drawing of His
creation - birds, flowers, trees, scenery, and the painting of churches in
pastoral scenes, as well. I can do whatever I want with these creations,
including destroy some of them if I am not satisfied with them. They,
however, are very different from what GOD has taken from NOTHING: LIFE. My
drawings and paintings will never breathe or have life. They are simply flat
representations of life around us, no matter how dimensional I attempt to
show them - they will never have LIFE.
As such, even if I decide to destroy them, I am not destroying a part of
myself, necessarily.
Like last night, for example, during our study, the conversation was sort of
dragging onto subjects that were, for all intents and purposes, tangential
to the study. I doodled a bit in ink on a piece of paper - a very fat
chicken - and then folded it into the shape of an airplane and flew it
around the room. . .distracted, I guess. . .but it was a creation of paper,
right? I took that silly looking cartoonish chicken on a piece of paper and
made a paper airplane out of it, and there was this wonderful Newfoundland
service dog in the room who decided it would be fun to snatch it out of the
air. . .she's a hoot, but she got drool all over my airplane and hey, I
could have been crushed, right? I mean, that was a wonderful little paper
airplane; one of the best I had ever made, in fact! And Blessing (that's the
dog's name) DROOLED all over it! hehehe
The point is: I took something and made another something out of it and in
turn made yet another something out of it.
God takes NOTHING and makes it all into SOMETHING - you and I. And how He
chooses to deal with us is His choice, as the Creator.
If He chooses to treat us as a Father does His children, then so be it. If
He chooses to treat us as a Husband does His bride, then so be it.
Does that mean there are parts of us that need to be disciplined? Sure it
does. Does that mean we are not mature in Christ? Perhaps.
Does it mean, when He treats us as a loving Husband treats His erring or
loving wife, that we are mature enough to handle it? Maybe.
Is it possible that He treats us as His children one moment and as His wife
at another? I think that is more like it:
we are all growing at different rates and sometimes need to be treated as
children, sometimes as wives.
May God bless you all as you grow in Him and His Love,
Feather
David Chariot
Thanks for your thoughts, Feather.
I know that if you continue in reading the whole Bible, you will find
blessing after blessing. Blessings are God's treasure and are hidden
from those who are unwilling to cultivate the earth, navigate the sea,
walk through the valleys, and ascend the hills and mountains of his
word. Beware of the pit and you will do well. No doubt you have seen
those here in the newsgroups who have fallen due to misunderstanding.
Peace be with you.
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+ and the froward mouth, do I hate. +
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The first of all the commandments is,
Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
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There is none other commandment greater than these.
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And to Almighty God the Glory for ever and ever
oldwetdog
Feather,
very nice post,
and I'm pleased and happy for you that the Holy Spirit has shown you
these truths
Glenn
Eric Fisher
thanx,
eric
Mark T
> when we were reading the book of Hosea together. . .
A pivotal change of thought in the Old Testament ... correspondiong to other
developmenmts in other religions at the same time.
> These common threads have been how the anger of God has been tempered with
> His love, His care, His GRACE.
Yep! Grace is a major part of the Old Testament (later parts) which Jesus
furthjer expanded on. God's grace IS the good news.
sensi
"Feather Forestwalker" <fea...@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote in message
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It always amazes me what can be found in "GRACE."
Thanks for sharing your bountiful ideas.
baba
"Feather Forestwalker" <fea...@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote in message
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You've been missing a lot if you haven't read Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, and
Psalms...etc.
The OT is the basis on which Jesus claimed the Throne of David
and His Messiah-ship.
Regards,
baba
PS. Newfoundlands are a wonderful breed, a true "Blessing" ;-)
Feather Forestwalker
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I didn't say I *hadn't* read those books; I said that *while* reading them,
I'd never come across the messages as I have been lately. I guess I wasn't
clear. :)
> The OT is the basis on which Jesus claimed the Throne of David
> and His Messiah-ship.
Exactly, and while I "got" that on most levels, I didn't quite grasp its
entirety; how God can do anything He wishes with His creation (I.e.; His
ways our not our ways), and that in so doing He shows us His love through
the role of Father and Husband.
It's been a very interesting study and I am very thankful that we have
church members who are so willing to share in their experiences.
I sent this along to a local pastor who had written an article in a local
newspaper that said he believed that all the angry, supposedly hateful
things that God did as described in the Old Testament were somehow
fabricated and rewritten in order to bring people into subjection to the
church and governments at the times they were written, and I have to
strongly disagree with him.
>
> Regards,
>
> baba
>
> PS. Newfoundlands are a wonderful breed, a true "Blessing" ;-)
Yes, and Blessing and her "mentor" Hero are both blessings and heroic dogs.
. . :)
>
>
Feather Forestwalker
"David Chariot" <yhvh...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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You're welcome. :)
>
> I know that if you continue in reading the whole Bible, you will find
> blessing after blessing.
There are many, indeed, even within what some would construe as God's "hate"
towards those who rebelled against Him time and time again, and yet the
redemption of His people, the grace with which He accepts them back, time
and time again - are what the culmination comes down to in the end. As Mark
so aptly stated, Jesus continued His merciful teachings on redemption
through GRACE.
> Blessings are God's treasure and are hidden
> from those who are unwilling to cultivate the earth, navigate the sea,
> walk through the valleys, and ascend the hills and mountains of his
> word.
Amen.
> Beware of the pit and you will do well. No doubt you have seen
> those here in the newsgroups who have fallen due to misunderstanding.
As we all do from time to time, as we all do. . .we must pray for one
another rather than attack.
>
> Peace be with you.
And with you,
God bless,
Feather
>
> --
> <*> -------=======>>>>>>> <> <?> <> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|=== <*>
>
> "Thou shalt not be a false witness of the Law, to use it against
> thy brother: Only God knoweth the beginning and the ending
> of all things, for his eye is single, and he is the holy Law."
> http://tinyurl.com/74oty Book 2 "The Unknown Books of the Essenes"
>
> <*> -------=======>>>>>>> <> <?> <> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|=== <*>
> The Sign of the Son of Man Web Page
>
> For those who have not been able to access the Sign of the
> Son of Man due to their browsers incompatibility, the Sign
> has been revealed in the Photos Section of this Web Site.
>
> Home - http://www.yhvh-dvyd.zoomshare.com/
> Signs - http://www.yhvh-dvyd.zoomshare.com/1.shtml/Signs
> Blog - http://www.yhvh-dvyd.zoomshare.com/2.shtml
> Links - http://www.yhvh-dvyd.zoomshare.com/3.shtml
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>
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
> + The fear of the LORD is to hate evil: +
> + pride, and arrogancy, and the evil way, +
> + and the froward mouth, do I hate. +
> +++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
>
> <*> -------=======>>>>>>> <> <?> <> <<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<|=== <*>
>
> The first of all the commandments is,
> Hear, O Israel; The Lord our God is one Lord:
> And thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart,
> and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind,
> and with all thy strength: this is the first commandment.
> ,)))))))),,,
> ,(((((((((((((((,
> )\`\)))))))))))))),
> ///`_ ```(((((((((
> \\\ b\ \ ``)))))))
> ))\ | ((((((((
> ( \ |`. ))))))))
> \, / ) ((((((((
> `" / )))))))
> / ((((
> | `))
> And the second is like, namely this,
> Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.
> There is none other commandment greater than these.
>
> Peace be with you through our Lord Jesus Christ
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Feather Forestwalker
"Eric Fisher" <ericf...@webtv.net> wrote in message
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> nice post feather.
> thanx,
> eric
:) Glad you enjoyed it, Eric.
Man, what a busy day this is becoming! Have to rush out the door in a while
for an appointment, after having just returned from one. . .*slow
dooooowwwwwwn, please* *grin*
God bless,
Feather
>
Feather Forestwalker
"oldwetdog" <oldw...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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Thanks, Glenn,
There is so much MEAT, eh?
God bless,
Feather
>
Feather Forestwalker
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Yes, God's grace IS the good news indeed.
Feather
>
>
oldwetdog
Yes, Feather, there is so much MEAT that we may never exaust it.
I think it is a good idea to study it all, because focusing on only part
of it can cause an 'out-of-balance' condition of the heart, and starve
one part of our soul.
Glenn
baba
"Feather Forestwalker" <fea...@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote in message
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Feather,
Never did I think you hadn't read the OT before now, even though you did
say:
"I wouldn't have dared read or even take much of a look at before",
I know that you meant that you hadn't given them the
time and consideration they deserve.
Most "Christians" tend to concentrate their study and meditation on the
New Testament.
I've stated on this very forum, on at least one occasion I can think of,
that I've had to literally *drag* myself through the OT, at least until I
got to
the specific books you mentioned: Ecclesiastes, Proverbs, and Psalms.
There is much to consider in Ecclesiastes, hidden knowledge if you will..
And Proverbs is full of practical advise for everybody, not just Christians.
Psalms are beautiful prayers and also contain many keys to understanding
the Magnificence & Glory of Abba.
>> The OT is the basis on which Jesus claimed the Throne of David
>> and His Messiah-ship.
>
> Exactly, and while I "got" that on most levels, I didn't quite grasp its
> entirety; how God can do anything He wishes with His creation (I.e.; His
> ways our not our ways), and that in so doing He shows us His love through
> the role of Father and Husband.
>>>------------------>And Creator...And Friend
> It's been a very interesting study and I am very thankful that we have
> church members who are so willing to share in their experiences.
>
> I sent this along to a local pastor who had written an article in a local
> newspaper that said he believed that all the angry, supposedly hateful
> things that God did as described in the Old Testament were somehow
> fabricated and rewritten in order to bring people into subjection to the
> church and governments at the times they were written, and I have to
> strongly disagree with him.
>
>>>------------------->
I would have to disagree with that "Pastor" also. Unfortunately, I've found
that you can lead a horse to water...
but Understanding comes of the Spirit and real thirst comes from the soul.
>> PS. Newfoundlands are a wonderful breed, a true "Blessing" ;-)
>
> Yes, and Blessing and her "mentor" Hero are both blessings and heroic
> dogs. . . :)
>>>-------------------->
Great Pyrenees and St. Bernards a great breeds too. Especially when properly
trained as working dogs like
"seeing eye dogs". But even just as pets, their natural instincts make them
noble friends and companions.
(They can make excellent guards and protectors too. One of the "meanest"
dogs I ever had was a St named Yoni)
Regards,
baba
Eric Fisher
Dec 13, 2005, 10:29pm (CST+6) From: (Feather Forestwalker)
while for an appointment, after having just returned from one. . .*slow
dooooowwwwwwn, please* *grin*
God bless,
Feather
<><><>>><
boy howdy, i can sure relate. i had to take loved ones to the next town
over, 3 times today for meetings and appointments. lucky for me it was a
"day off". LOL.
eric
*christine
"Feather Forestwalker" <fea...@NOSPAMPLZ.com> wrote in message
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Perhaps when you were fashioning these pretty sounding sentiments with which
you judged FOR God and against the woman and many joined in lavishing
praise on you for that nice bit of dainty looking assymetrical judgement
John 8 may have by chance come to mind:
1But Jesus went to the Mount of Olives. 2At dawn he appeared again in the
temple courts, where all the people gathered around him, and he sat down to
teach them. 3The teachers of the law and the Pharisees brought in a woman
caught in adultery. They made her stand before the group 4and said to Jesus,
"Teacher, this woman was caught in the act of adultery. 5In the Law Moses
commanded us to stone such women. Now what do you say?" 6They were using
this question as a trap, in order to have a basis for accusing him.
But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger.
7When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If
any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at
her." 8Again he stooped down and wrote on the ground.
9At this, those who heard began to go away one at a time, the older ones
first, until only Jesus was left, with the woman still standing there.
10Jesus straightened up and asked her, "Woman, where are they? Has no one
condemned you?"
11"No one, sir," she said.
"Then neither do I condemn you," Jesus declared. "Go now and leave
your life of sin."
As , to my despair, usual, the depth of the biblical study you offered
looked primarily to the sin of the woman...
I mean you get the take on it that God is very forgiving indeed if He could
allow this prostitute to be redeemed in some fashion
But you focus on her sin, and make the case for God by comparison to her,
secretly, not really so secretly
believing yourself to be so much above her, so superior to her in every way,
look at all the beautiful talents
God gives you to create with! My goodness, and the question of primary
importance is why her eh?
Why, darling , God knows that you won't go searching beyond the comparison
of yourself to her
and end it there wholly satisfied, He has factored it in
Like Feather won't actually notice that her prostitution is in the form of
paying
false gods homage, and its not like the internet and say spending more time
on the internet
talking about doing for God than actually doing for God is a false god
No see God knows where you will end the examination, right where you did
He knows
God knows you won't, like the tax collector look undainty and beat your own
breast and say
"Oh God I am unworthy!!!"
No , my heavens no!
Not unless it was say in a form of protest to suggest that
yes yes you are **just as** unworthy, a light kind of I dunno
summary admission----should someone like myself call you on your
apparent failure to recognize your Pharasitical proclivities
why darling you sound just like that Pharisee who was complaining of Mary
Magdelene
bathing Jesus feet with her tears, the prostitute that she was! ( gasp oh
why oh why
God undignify His feet with (gack !) HER!
Darlng darling feather
remember how you spoke so often of the **very many**
things you do for God
well I too have done a bit of volunteering and I had the opportunity
to meet a wonderful man a beautiful beautiful man who was used up by God
I mean used up...when we began our conversation he sang me a song and asked
me to join in
we sang out of tune ,rough chords, he explained he hadn't played in a long
time and retired
his six string guitar busted three of the strings and let it sit on the wall
many happy memories, but oh, how used up he had been by God
how so used up he had been
he was angry at me
and I let him talk and talk and talk and control the conversation
and he told me many deep secrets and deep things of God
a God he once believed in
and everytime he came close to explaining the beauty
the utter beauty of God his voice halted and choked
paralysis
and I let him talk and I let him talk
and explain the deep things of God to me
fascinated was I
by this man so used up by God
I felt like I had been walking with Jesus and my heart burned
burned with beauty
burned with delight
from this glowing ember this flame
from this man which had nearly choked and died
the only thing that kept him from killing himself was hearing
the song Golden Slumber by the Beatles
every night when he could not get to sleep and was too exhausted to sleep
Jesus sang him that song
He told me about how he met Jesus
I never met anyone else in my whole life who met Jesus
met Jesus, he met Jesus
and we talked and talked
and he told me he wanted to hold me and never let me go
and told me never ever ever to lose faith
and made sure I agreed to that promise
and we sang one last song
this time beautifully in tune
and he said he was going to play the guitar again
and would go back to church
and he did
I went home that night and wrote for five hours about this beautiful
instrument
of God, that was used up
that I hoped, and prayed and wept
that he would come back to Him
so beautiful and fine an instrument of God was he
and I said God
please use me like You used Him
and for a year, so far He has
and sometimes
you feel all used up
and I think maybe those women
shamed and despised by the Pharisees
the gloriously robed ones
who use pretty words to fashion stones
to throw
they say
FOR GOD
but against the woman
...well I just think God has something to teach them
about the heart of God
the heart of Himself
that goes beyond your concluding that God must
be very forgiving if He could forgive these examples
they were used and used up by God
Jesus gave them a drink of grace
more than once
a deep drink of grace
and you are shortchanged
if you don't know it enough
to admit you needed it at least once last week
that means something deep about the heart of God
that you yourself will and **have** missed out on
because you and your bible toting lot are too good
for this level of grace
you are too good
for God"s deep grace
and I pity you
for that reason alone
you know the word 'grace'
but you don't know the depths of grace
it is written all over your fine words
you clothe yourself in
don't tell me woman that ten years ago
something happened to you
if you can't tell me that this week
you needed God's deep grace for
your weakness and your failure NOW
I ain't buying
that pretty but of fluff you are selling
but who cares?
everyone else here is
buying
and that seems enough for you
but that ain't no false god mind you
like even though you got all of this flattery
you really really knew deep within your heart
what you said was wrong somehow
and knew it
and decided not to follow the false gods
of lavish praise for your ***Beautious***
words
no not you, you brushed it all aside
knowing those were false gods
didn't you?
you brushed it all aside and decided
to struggle with God over it some more
right?
or no?
no as in you were perfectly happy with the false gods
of **Clap clap Feather well done!**
and will seek it out some more
fashioning the words
for the same reaction
all the while thinking you are creating
when they are creating you
a little praise here
a little praise there....
and she will spend hours serving it
> God is our Creator, no?
>
> As such, He can do whatever He so chooses with His own. That's something
> that's been very hard for me to wrap my mind around as a concept, until I
> realized: He gave me a talent for creating, too!
You question God about what and who and how He uses them
I question God about how and why He uses me
a lot
do you?
or are you just ever so grateful that he uses you so ( sigh) well!
Go go God and use Feather
use her so big that she doesn"t have time
to go on the internet and talk about how God uses her
and her /not so deep/ thoughts about God
that do not go beyond a satsifactory comparison
of herself to the woman
I prophecise a bunch of people rushing in to say
argue complain etc etc that it really really was deep
to be in the depth of the mob throwing the stones
using pretty words
FOR GOD
and AGAINST HER ( her oh gack HER!!....
who God chose oh but you are all chosen right so goes
the defense---chosen like her to get pelted by your pretty stones
or chosen to throw them---or you got some clever way to make it different)
make it different all you like and it still won't be Jesus
not that talking on the internet incessently is in any way
a false god, or prostiution oh my heavens no
I go to this Jewsih temple, and I love the way the rabbi
teaches the bible or rather, the Torah
the question is delivered that **you** have to answer it based on
you and your relationship to God
not you and watching God's relationship to some Bible character
where you fashion yourself like a golden calf into some merciful deity
by virtue of 'kind words" you use to clothe yourself in as you
pick up the stone to throw
it might go like this:
why does God take us back after we follow after false gods
when time and time again we fail Him?
why do we fail Him?
what is it in our nature that causes us to fail on this simple point?
why do we take a story like this and remove ourselves from it
as if we were mere spectators, and not see the prosttute in ourselves?
Does understanding the heart of God require me to look beyond the
superficial and shallow
judgement of this woman's sins to derive the concept of grace?
Is there a more indepth meaning here that God wants me to understand
about grace, that I myself need to know ( I being say ,you, as you read it)?
See I am at the golden calf episode and actually at Exodus 15
since you got through Exodus in your **deep deep*** bible studies
did you ask about Exodus 32 that bit about Moses destroying the work of
God after having a reaction similar to God, ANGER ---that he initially
begged
God off of?
did you ask why oh why God did you bless the Levites for slaying 3000 or
some odd?
This whole time they had been witness to God speaking to Moses ( it is
written)
and suddenly in Exodus 32 Moses begins speaking for God, the God of Isreal
moreover what Moses says that God said is in contradiction to what the
witnesses
recorded of his previous exchange with God---namely that God agreed not to
destroy them and yet Moses says destroy them, in the name of the God of
Isreal
or did your deep deep bible studies conclude with saying that Aaron did a
very baaad
thingie ummmm yeah bad bad Aaron!
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Or does the depth of the heart of God, in the story of the two nations Esau
and Jacob
does the knowledge of the depth of God end with simply knowing God hated
Esau for having contempt for his birthright.?..as so many Christians end off
the study
convinced that they themselves have a true appreciation for their own
birthright
but then why is deception used or seen as necessary to grant Jacob
the birthright that was foretold, why do we not judge Jacob?
Jacob's whole **life** was an atonement, yet Rachel guaranteed Jacob that
the curse would fall on her not him
Jacob meets God in a dream
says how awesome is all this!
and yet immediately places conditions on following God
and yet rededicates himself to God by putting oil on the rock and naming the
place Bethel
how do you rededicate yourself to God and place all sorts of condtions on
following God
was it because the night was Jacob's
he said his days were short and evil
since Jacob was propelled himself into this deception
is he fully to blame
do we just end off by judging Jacob
saying what kind of worm is this to put conditions on God?
hy does God sow doubt with Jacob?
After certainty?
or do we say
well God did not burn with anger for the conditions
and predestined him for blessing
that is uh wierd or at least questionable
Jacob was a man of the night
man between the days of creation
in some ways I wonder if his whole life wasn"t Gen 22
or sitting at the bottom of the mountain of Exodus 32
waiting
like I am waiting for Jesus
Not that anyone here would notice
but He left
he really really did GO
God withdraws
like in the gospels
the master retreats from the servant
the servant is Isreal right?
take a look at all of the references to the master servant in the gospels
they point to God"s retreating
and returning again
like Jacob
God is beside him and the place is awesome
and then he wakes up
and he is so unsure of what was a dream
that
he places conditions
and his whole life is a sruggle
with men and the deity
Isreal---'struggles with God'
Mary's song is:(includes)
Luke 1
54He has helped his servant Israel,
remembering to be merciful
Moses speaking for the God of Isreal
begins serving the God of Isreal speaking directly
for Him
after an embarassingly long absence
and then tells them to kill the people
Isreal Isreal
so full of questions
and ultimately it is Esau
who bears the face of God later
to Jacob
Isreal
Isreal
Oh come oh come Immanuel
and free captive Isreal
so many many questions Isreal
a man used up by God
to create a nation
say what makes a man like Jacob
place conditions on God anyway
could it be, say could it be
laying out everything
every vulnerable sacred trust
for Him before the world
and then God leaving Him alone
by himself in the night
between days
in the valley
an eternal intermission
while people throw stones
you judge
you dare
you dare to judge this woman!!?
Oh but if Featehr could have her> If He chooses to treat us as a Father does
His children, then so be it. If
> He chooses to treat us as a Husband does His bride, then so be it.
>
> Does that mean there are parts of us that need to be disciplined? Sure it
> does. Does that mean we are not mature in Christ? Perhaps.
>
> Does it mean, when He treats us as a loving Husband treats His erring or
> loving wife, that we are mature enough to handle it? Maybe.
>
> Is it possible that He treats us as His children one moment and as His
wife
> at another? I think that is more like it:
>
> we are all growing at different rates and sometimes need to be treated as
> children, sometimes as wives.
>
> May God bless you all as you grow in Him and His Love,
>
> Feather
Hmmm what a sweet and tender story
If you really have God in mind in answering this post
if you ever do
you would ask ---did I keep the promise?
But I reckon
If you do answer this post
given how important this newsgroup
and how you are seen on this newsgroup
is to you
and how everyone else sees they are seen on this newsgroup
sees themselves
is important to them
there will be much anger
and defence oh how dare I suggest Feather
was judging the prostitute
( but you were)
or questioning God's judgement for why oh why he picked
that filthy worm of a woman
no no no it was a beautious post so fine and pretty no stones at all
but see the way I see you and all yer cabal seeing this
I think you think Hosea was a wimp
for taking her back
what man would marry a prostitute?
in your hearts
and yet
when you need to
you find that story of Jesus and the mob and the stones
a pretty story
here is the big lesson of any true Bible reader
the Bible
and the heart of God
goes so well beyond
your pretty dainties
that if that is all you are getting
you better strat asking God for more help
cause you just ain't getting it
you are wasting your time
and you are because
you spend so much time here
and its enough for you
a little praise here
a little praise there
and they create you
( as Wesley says --a little hand folding here
a little hand folding there...)
no no false gods at all....
oldwetdog
What?
baba
I mean I see but..I guess I'm not as nasty as I thought.
& somebody missed Feather's point ..maybe.
*christine
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top posters are Trolls
*christine
Didn't miss it at all
Oh how kind God is in having Hosea take back the prostitute
it is such an example of God's grace!!
When and if you study the OT
instead of looking at her the prostitute
look at yourself
and your own false gods
nothing nasty about asking you to read the bible at all
using your minds instead of saying
oh well gee isn't God great for being good
and redeeming that prostitute
HER
or God can even use prostitutes!!!
golly
read it again
my post if you do not comprehend what I am saying
what was offered in the initial post said God is so
good because He is even good to prostitutes
and can even use them any way He wants!!!!
If you are going to read the bible at all read it
to understand God's relationship to you
don't worry so much about her and how you compare
that means that God is using the prostitute
as an allegory to you and how you have false gods
instead prolly most of you read it like
oh God ius even good to prostitutes
and who am I to question if God uses a prostitute
he is just so creative that God golly gosh gush
no
here is a tip for you
every time you exact a judgement against a bible character
apply it to yourself, find a way to
that would be working with the Holy Spirit
God didn't write a book
that exacted a cost in shed blood
and sorrow and pain and deep grief
about people who have nothing to do with you
they are
theory goes
in you
the good the bad and the ugly
so when Feather sees that God can use even this prostitute
any way He wants
I say don't you see
don't you see
He is talking about her relationship to false gods
and don't you see don't you see your false gods here
in this newsgroup
you walk away thinking you know what it said
but you don't because you stand outside of her
judging her like the mob in John 8
and you take from that an example of God's grace
good but not even halfway
let God's grace dwell in you
and find that prostitute
God sees in you
instead of seeing yourself as better than the prostitute
someone to compare yourself to and say
well if God can use her He can use me
that is not nearly what God wants you to see
I think He means for you to see how you prostitute yourself for false gods
everyday in so many ways
even by internet posting
now you see that as mean
I say dig deep for the heart of God
when you see the prostitute
see yourself
when you see betrayal
see yourself
when you see weakness
see yourself
don't tell me about how you learned fresh and anew about God's grace
from examples of flawed human beings in the OT
cause that is all over the NT
in the OT you put on the character to get into God
in the NT you get into the man who is blind
or deaf
or dumb
to get into the grace of Jesus Christ
you get His healing there in the pages
of the Gospel
to get into God
you don't go
oh my ( cluck cluck) that Jesus was soooo nice to dem dare
prostitutes and tax collectors and sinners
and my oh my lookie at all his miracles
He performed on dem dare folx
my oh my how marvellous
you are blind
you are deaf
you are dumb
you are the sinner
you are the tax collector
you are the Pharisee
you are the thief
and Jesus heals you
and if you are not getting that
and merely marvelling at dem dare miracles
you just ain't getting it
period
Don't tell me that there is a one of you who does get that
anywhere on this newsgroup
I didn't write it
but that is the way it is
in both New and Old Testament
that is truth
period
I have yet to see anyone on this froup say like the tax collector in
sincerity
"God help me I am an unworthy sinner'
Never, never
Doesn't make you feel good about yourself
Oh well
that is such a surprise
don't worry
someone will come around the bend here
that you in unison with ten or twenty others can go and jump on
to feel good about yourself again
it never fails
it is what it is
and always shall be
to my despair
and that is really all
*christine
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> > > What?
> > >>>--------------> Yeah, really...
> > I mean I see but..I guess I'm not as nasty as I thought.
> > & somebody missed Feather's point ..maybe.
Well I saw y'all talking about meat
there it was beyond talking about that damn sinner woman as an example of
how God
gives grace if He could even give grace to her
and I talked about the man used up by God
Moses, and Jacob were used up by God
you prolly won't see or catch that though cause you will end it at Aaron
being
a no goodnik
or you will end it at Esau not doing right/which also means he too was a
no goodnik
woman=no goodnik but God is graceful
Moses= often no goodnik, God is graceful, but then again he did ask Moses to
kill....ummmm
Esau=no goodnik, Esau I hated
hey waita second, if God is graceful why did He hate Esau
and redeem the prostitute
and and if God is so full of grace why did He ask Moses to kill so many
people
to show loyalty to Him after Moses came down from the mountain
she followed after false gods
and sure He was angry at the golden calf but why did the prostitute get off
right
I mean there is a whole lot of meat to dig here that goes so well beyond
ummm see God was full of grace towards the prostitute
because there
are examples ( aka Golden calf) not full of grace
so yeah there was a whole lot more to this post , my post
but you only caught what you saw as the nasty bits that made you say
golly gee I guess I am not as nasty as I thought I was
well baba its what I am here for
to make you feel better in all ways
about yourself
at really no charge except for these temporary lapses
of judgement where I actually come into this NG
every few months
where you have to put up with me
for half a day
where I make your tummy sore
and your head ache
because I don't make you feel all dreamy about yourself
and your relationship with God
then I go away see
and y'all don't have to think about that sore tummy anymore
and y'all find some other poor sap
to jump on in unison
for essentially no reason at all
all of you
so that
you can all feel better about yourselves
really it is what I am doing now
damn ugly
and I try to stay away from it
but not tonite
but this is what y'all look like
most of the time
tho often much worse
it is what it is
and always shall be
with unerring consistency
with everyone
and all
right here in this froup
bye
oldwetdog
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>>>*christine wrote:
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>
>
>
>
>
> don't worry
>
> someone will come around the bend here
> that you in unison with ten or twenty others can go and jump on
> to feel good about yourself again
>
> it never fails
> it is what it is
> and always shall be
> to my despair
>
> and that is really all
>
>
Gee, Christine, way profound...
Wow! Such deep sorrow!
I feel your pain.
I am wondering, though
When reality came ‘round the bend
Blowing, and blowing its horn
Where were you?
Poetry I love
Metaphor I speak
Illusion is a vision I see
When,
I question,
Did you loose contact?
Looking back
At the curve of life and light
Do you see the separation?
Of light
And Light?
Not that I disregard your visual
But that your message is lost in the glare of terminology
And reality
Speak to me when the morning light is bright
And I can see the color of your eyes
Yes the color of your eyes
In the morning light
Would speak truth
And yet
And yet again
Who am I to say?
But truth seeks her own children
owd
*christine
thanks for the breath, owd
I only have this to say right now
that post where Griz raises the post about the wicked servant
"Forgiveness"
I just saw it now in myself
after this rant
it was me
I owe Feather an apology
It was wrong of me to say all of that stuff
I am not coming back here
Not because I won' t ever feel this angry and lost again
It is not this place that does it
But it is the last stop
to dump
anyways sorry Feather, really
oh btw
I also saw myself as the dog Blessing who took and drooled all over
the distracted doodlings you made an airplane out of
maybe God can make something out of it
ok bye now
sensi
Mmphm.......Christine the froups delicacy meat bearer comes... oh, about 3
or 4 times a year.
I always spect when she shows up someones gonna get their mouth stuffed
with fine fruit and somehow she tries to make them look like a stuffed pig
on a platter within that week of her visitation. .
Funny thing is I can always see her point but then again there's always the
point the poster was 'trying' to make verses the point Pristine Christine
*feels* was *intentionally* left out.
I casually wondered this last time who would she choose to pounce on
between the process of her newest found experience and how she would she
*use* that person to exploit her greater knowledge of having * found* truth
in her latest escapade
and then she says "bye."
see ya next time, froup...
Drum roll......
oldwetdog
*Christine,
I don't want you to leve..
Feather does not want you to leave..
Christine, NONE of us want you to go away!
What is it to us, if, now and then one of us is angry?
Are NOT brothers and sisters allowed, now and then,
to share real feelings, real emotions,
and even sometimes --anger?
My Dear Sister,
How, I ask you, How can we share love,
and NOT (now and then) share anger or disagreement?
Is love ONLY goodie-goodie, and never bitter?
Come now, Christine, let us share the cup of brother and sister love
even if, now and then, there is the taste of bitter herb
Come now, Christine, be Iron to my iron
as Solomon said, "Iron sharpens iron, and so a friend sharpens his or
her friend." (forgive me, I paraphrased a little.)
Write your verse to mine
share your vision with me
Give me your thoughts
to contest my own
Let your mind mirror
what you perceive of mine.
Don't go
But if you must,
rest,
and come again.
owd
---
Iron sharpeneth iron; so a man sharpeneth the countenance of his friend.
Solomon
baba
Hi Sensi,
Take a look at the header properties and add the use of the word "froup".
I have a VERY good memory, even for stuff like header properties...
Your "Chrisitine" comes by much more than it would seem.
Usually talking about a "ROCK", and always nasty.
love,
baba
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baba
I understood what you said alright. Though you do ramble endlessly
and as if you were holier than the rest of the peanut gallery, and much of
it is irrelevant to your condemnation
I don't see where you get off insulting Feather for her trying to be a good
Christian.
But I do see where you apologize to her in another post.
Hint: Don't forget to take your meds, your other persona, though just as
mean, makes a bit more sense.
baba
Feather Forestwalker
Christine,
Don't leave.
And don't apologize. Life brings us all kinds of stuff that we wade through,
or plough through, depending on what type of growth in the Spirit is needed.
Of that, I am SURE you understand.
My post wasn't about a woman who was a harlot needing forgiveness, nor was
it "all about me," in the receipt of, as you called it, the false gods of
accolades. But you got that after reading it again, didn't you?
You owe me nothing at all, do you understand what I mean? Your take, perhaps
a misunderstanding, was somewhat carthartic for you. I appreciate that I
could be your catharsis, and in no way do I mean that condescendingly or
otherwise. See, forgiveness comes in many forms when it's from a human
perspective. Know what I mean, jelly bean? *grin*
No worries, dear heart. . .none at all.
I appreciate your perspective, your pain, your angst, and your heart. In
more ways than you can ever possibly imagine.
I only wish I had more time to fully articulate what went through me like a
knife when reading your initial response, and then this one. . .but suffice
it to say that: where there's conviction, the Holy Spirit comes through,
sometimes strongly, sometimes comfortingly, and my prayer for you is His
Comfort,
Love,
Feather
>
>
>
sensi
> TOP POST
> Hi Sensi,
> Take a look at the header properties and add the use of the word "froup".
>
> I have a VERY good memory, even for stuff like header properties...
> Your "Chrisitine" comes by much more than it would seem.
> Usually talking about a "ROCK", and always nasty.
>
> love,
> baba
>
sensi:
Really? Hmmm...I'll have to pay better attention.
Even though she has her moments I still enjoy how she breaks things down and
really examines them.
She does have a gift for that.
baba
>
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>> TOP POST
>> Hi Sensi,
>> Take a look at the header properties and add the use of the word "froup".
>>
>> I have a VERY good memory, even for stuff like header properties...
>> Your "Chrisitine" comes by much more than it would seem.
>> Usually talking about a "ROCK", and always nasty.
>>
>> love,
>> baba
>>
>
> sensi:
> Really? Hmmm...I'll have to pay better attention.
> Even though she has her moments I still enjoy how she breaks things down
> and really examines them.
> She does have a gift for that.
>>>----------------->
If you insist.
Well I could be wrong...
Just let it be, even though I did get accused in passing of having "false
Gods", "exacting judgment", and being part of a "mob"
...uhmmm.
All for saying maybe she missed Feather's point.
You know sis,, the more I hang here the surer I get that I'm oil
trying to mix with water. (or maybe the other way around, I'm holy water
trying to mix with rancid oil, or maybe it's apple juice and vinegar...
too bad it ain't olive oil and vinegar, pass the salad please)
baba
sensi
sensi:
It's a smorgasboard.....Take your pick.
baba
>>>food's going bad
and I've got a nasty aftertaste. My tummy aches too. Pass the Tums.
later.
baba