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The DataRat
"If you are interested in Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith
or Gary Chapman, would you please look at this site?"
Shame when more "Christians" are familiar with
Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman
than with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther.
The DataRat
Paul Duca
The DataRat wrote:
So? YOU'RE more familiar with Remington, Colt & Luger....
Paul
Jason Harris
>The DataRat wrote:
>
>> "If you are interested in Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith
>> or Gary Chapman, would you please look at this site?"
>>
>> Shame when more "Christians" are familiar with
>> Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman
>> than with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther.
There needs to be a balance........Pick one of many a child of God who lacks
much theology and simply knows that Jesus loves them and listens to shallow
pop Christian music all day happily and humbly accepting the simple truth of
God's grace.....Compare that to a learned Theologian with a wall covered
with awards and honorary doctorates.....if the small simple minded Christian
has 1 percent more humility than the "Christian" theologian, he is that much
greater in the kingdom of heaven.......we can learn from people.....the
thoughts and ideas of those who have experienced the life and relationship
in Christ Jesus.....from the chant manuscript of a random 7th century
monk......a theological essay by Calvin........a pop song by just some guy
with a guitar and record deal.......real people are affected by real Grace
spread by real love......Theology is great.......there is nothing better to
study but God.......He does his work "down to earth"....and so we should
study likewise
The DataRat
"There needs to be a balance........"
Wrong !
Scripture says:
"Many people are destroyed from
lack of knowledge" ( Hosea 4:6 NIV )
NOT "many people are destroyed by not balancing
theology with good music" !
Peter and the other apostles were charged by the
Sanhedrin for having "filled" Jerusalem with their
"doctrine" ( Acts 5:28 NKJ ). NOT with having
filled that city with "Christian music" !
1 Timothy 4:6 informs us that "a good servant of
Christ Jesus" is "constantly nourished on the word
of faith and sound doctrine" (NASB). Shallow,
experientially-oriented, usually emotionalistic tunes
do NOT fall into that category.
Scripture extols "sound doctrine" ( 1 Timothy
1:10-11 NIV ). Neither Amy Grant nor Gary Chapman
are even mentioned in the Bible !
The DataRat
Scot
The DataRat wrote in message
>Scripture extols "sound doctrine" ( 1 Timothy
>1:10-11 NIV ). Neither Amy Grant nor Gary Chapman
>are even mentioned in the Bible !
>
>
>The DataRat
>
>
>
Think about that.
Scot
The DataRat
"For that matter, Mr. Rodent, you aren't mentioned
in scripture either..."
So, don't buy any of the Genevan Rodent's record
albums you little chump !
( As for the rest of you: Better hurry ! His latest
release, "DataRat's Greatest Hits", is selling fast.
This album contains such all-time best sellers as
"Amazing Rodents" and "DataRat Flamed Me -This
I Know". )
DR
Mike Welborn
> 1:10-11 NIV ). Neither Amy Grant nor Gary Chapman
> are even mentioned in the Bible !
>
Neither are Augustine, Calvin or Luther.
>
> The DataRat
>
>
>
Mike Welborn
The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> "If you are interested in Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith
> or Gary Chapman, would you please look at this site?"
>
>
>
> Shame when more "Christians" are familiar with
> Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman
> than with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther.
>
Don't know that I would go that far, to label it as a shame. These men after
all are just men.
>
> The DataRat
>
>
>
>
>
Mike Welborn
Jason Harris <jja...@geocities.com> wrote in message
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>
>
> >The DataRat wrote:
> >
> >> "If you are interested in Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith
> >> or Gary Chapman, would you please look at this site?"
> >>
> >> Shame when more "Christians" are familiar with
> >> Amy Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman
> >> than with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther.
>
>
lacks
> much theology and simply knows that Jesus loves them and listens to
shallow
> pop Christian music all day happily and humbly accepting the simple truth
of
> God's grace.....
I will take a small issue with your label "shallow pop Christian music" as
it seem to be referring to pop Christian music as a whole. Not all pop
Christian music is shallow.
> Compare that to a learned Theologian with a wall covered
> with awards and honorary doctorates.....if the small simple minded
Christian
> has 1 percent more humility than the "Christian" theologian, he is that
much
> greater in the kingdom of heaven.......we can learn from people.....the
> thoughts and ideas of those who have experienced the life and relationship
> in Christ Jesus.....from the chant manuscript of a random 7th century
> monk......a theological essay by Calvin........a pop song by just some
guy
> with a guitar and record deal.......real people are affected by real Grace
> spread by real love......
Agreed
The DataRat
"Neither are Augustine, Calvin or Luther."
Correct. What Augustine and Calvin and
Luther did was carry-on the theology of the
NT ...particularly that of Paul.
What do Amy Grant and Gary Chapman
carry-on ? The theology of the Foolish Virgins ?
The DataRat
Mike Welborn
I don't know to what you are referencing by the statement "theology of the
Foolish Virgins".
Are all teachers? Are all pastors?
Would they not qualify as fullfilling Ephesians 5:19-20?
Eph 5
19 Speak to one another with psalms, hymns and spiritual songs. Sing and
make music in your heart to the Lord,
20 always giving thanks to God the Father for everything, in the name of our
Lord Jesus Christ.
Mike
>
> The DataRat
>
>
>
>
The DataRat
"I don't know to what you are referencing by the
statement 'theology of the Foolish Virgins'."
Matthew 25.
"Are all teachers? Are all pastors?"
Penetrating question !
Colossians 1:28 instructs us to "proclaim Him,
admonishing every man and teaching every
man" (NASB). This is addressed to all Believers,
and is over and above the office of Teacher
described in Ephesians 4:11 and James 3:1.
That, however, was not the point of the Genevan
Rodent's comment. Bro. Rat decried the abysmal
doctrinal ignorance of the typical "Christian" as
contrasted with their affinity for trite religious musical
ditties.
But -again- Mr. Welborn, you raised an important
( albeit peripheral ) issue. It is the Tulip Rodent's
opinion that every real Christian is a minister, evangelist,
and a teacher ...though not holding the Ephesians 4:11
appointment.
Your Pal,
The DataRat
The DataRat
"Would they not qualify as fulfilling
Ephesians 5:19-20?"
Would they ? Does mention -or, even,
a theme- of "Jesus" or "Lord" make a song
a psalm or spiritual ?
In any event, the Calvinist Rodent WASN'T
criticizing hymns but rather doctrinal ignorance.
The DataRat
Jonathan Bernier
The DataRat wrote:
>
> "There needs to be a balance........"
>
> Wrong !
>
> Scripture says:
>
> "Many people are destroyed from
> lack of knowledge" ( Hosea 4:6 NIV )
>
> NOT "many people are destroyed by not balancing
> theology with good music" !
>
> Peter and the other apostles were charged by the
> Sanhedrin for having "filled" Jerusalem with their
> "doctrine" ( Acts 5:28 NKJ ). NOT with having
> filled that city with "Christian music" !
>
> 1 Timothy 4:6 informs us that "a good servant of
> Christ Jesus" is "constantly nourished on the word
> of faith and sound doctrine" (NASB). Shallow,
> experientially-oriented, usually emotionalistic tunes
> do NOT fall into that category.
>
> Scripture extols "sound doctrine" ( 1 Timothy
> 1:10-11 NIV ). Neither Amy Grant nor Gary Chapman
> are even mentioned in the Bible !
>
> The DataRat
Scot
Dave Wood <david...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
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> All too often we can find ourselves a part of this
> dilly dally with meaningless human wisdom. Some
> of the signs that the music is 'off-base' include:
> vain repetition
> songs full of 'I' this, 'I' that, make
> 'me',.........
> when the words are lost to the emphasis of the
> music
>
> Another one that often grieves me is when little
> Johnny [all of 7 yo] is held forth in the form of
> 'Let's listen to Johnny honouring the Lord with
> his clarinet'. The end result is often a tune
> that is faulty and broken, to a song that nobody
> has ever heard of, let alone knows the words to.
> And then of course there is the 'clapping'.
> Have to agree with DR on this one. Many of our
> contemporary 'Christian' musicians are no better
> than rock n roll drop outs trying to make a
> killing in a different market segment.
>
> Dave
>
As a professional classical musician, I have no real attraction to
Contemporary Christian Music either. However, DR's comment was that,
because none of these artists are mentioned in the bible, then we should not
listen to them. How ludicrous. Dave, you are reading far too much into
what the DR said. He's too simple minded to present an argument such as
yours. His reasoning is that he simply doesn't like it, though I doubt he's
ever stopped to listen, so know one else should like it either.
We can't all be Luthers, Calvins, or Knoxs... we have to simply be what we
are, striving to be the best at that. Although I'm not a great fan of
Grant, Smith or Chapman, I respect what they do. In this world where
teenagers have so many negative influences, at least they are trying to give
a positive outlet that teenagers enjoy.
Scot
Raul Goulden
> We can't all be Luthers, Calvins, or Knoxs... we have to simply be what we
> are, striving to be the best at that. Although I'm not a great fan of
> Grant, Smith or Chapman, I respect what they do. In this world where
> teenagers have so many negative influences, at least they are trying to
give
> a positive outlet that teenagers enjoy.
>
> Scot
>
I may be mistaken but hasn't Amy Grant left her husband
for that country singer????
RG
Janie
Janie
Supergirl wrote in message ...
>Amen, Brother. Humility, real love, real walks with God, real grace:
that's
>where it's at. A man can be full of theology and void of God. It's great
>if we can be both, but the most important thing is to be FULL OF GOD. Full
>of His grace, full of His mercy and love.
>SG
>
>
Janie
The Holy Spirit? I just cannot understand this reasoning at all.
Janie
The DataRat wrote in message <37931A93...@home.com>...
>
>
>"Neither are Augustine, Calvin or Luther."
>
>
>
>Correct. What Augustine and Calvin and
>Luther did was carry-on the theology of the
>NT ...particularly that of Paul.
>
>What do Amy Grant and Gary Chapman
>carry-on ? The theology of the Foolish Virgins ?
>
>
>The DataRat
>
>
>
>
Janie
arenas, contemporary, pop, country, and Christian.
I never cared for her music much, but I have several Gary Chapman (Amy's
husband) c.d.'s.
You are also correct in that they do not present a Christian example.
Multiple marriages do not honor God.
Janie
MrsRat wrote in message <3793D50A...@home.com>...
>" I may be mistaken but hasn't Amy Grant left her husband
>for that country singer???? "
>
>His name is Vince Gill. Yes, he left his wife and Amy left
>her husband, so they could be together. Real Christian
>lifestyle examples they are showing everyone. Keep in
>mind they are BOTH #1 hit makers in their respective fields
>of music. She in Christian, he in Country.
>
>--
>MrsRat
>
>Admin XWorld IRC NetWork
>http://sefl.satelnet.org/~brats/
>
>
Raul Goulden
Janie <jani...@bright.net> wrote in message
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> Why lean on "mans" theology when God gave us
> The Holy Spirit? I just cannot understand this reasoning at all.
> Janie
You remember the story about the drowning man I
told you Janie?? Or was that in one ear and out the other?
RG
Raul Goulden
> > A man can be full of theology and void of God. It's great
> >if we can be both, but the most important thing is to be FULL OF GOD.
Full
> >of His grace, full of His mercy and love.
> >SG
The parable of the seeds comes to mind.
Some sprout but die off, religion of emotion not
grounded in meat (as opposed to milk) or even
nothing often is fleeting. A Christian must be grounded
in the word.
Ben Mitts
I wonder if their are very many
who remember she dumped Christian
music because it did not pay
enough, like her husband couldn't
afford to keep her!
Ben Mitts
============================================================
Dave Wood
> Rodent's comment. Bro. Rat decried the
abysmal
> doctrinal ignorance of the typical "Christian"
as
> contrasted with their affinity for trite
religious musical
> ditties.
All too often we can find ourselves a part of this
Supergirl
Supergirl
even in their own Christian walks. But a lot of them demonstrate a true
Christian spirit, and many of them perform with biblical wisdom and truth.
I believe that God uses many of them (not all of them) to bless His
children, so that in turn, they can bless Him with worship and praise. I
feel that as long as the songs are Christ-oriented, biblically sound and not
selfishly motivated, etc.. that there's nothing wrong with listening to
them. It's no different than reading a book written by a Christian author,
or shopping at a store because it's owned by Christians, etc... We all
have to work, and what better job to have than one that edifies God? So
while some of them may be in the industry for wrong reasons, or while some
of them may not sing about biblical truth, some of them are very
knowledgeable, very God-fearing, and they bless Him with their work.
Supergirl
--
~You don't have to present yourself as perfect or holy, only as REDEEMED!~
MrsRat
Dave Wood
real attraction to
> Contemporary Christian Music either. However,
DR's comment was that,
> because none of these artists are mentioned in
the bible, then we should not
> listen to them. How ludicrous. Dave, you are
reading far too much into
> what the DR said. He's too simple minded to
present an argument such as
> yours. His reasoning is that he simply doesn't
like it, though I doubt he's
> ever stopped to listen, so know one else should
like it either.
Hi Scot,
I have a special respect for classical musicians.
Guess that's rooted in a bit of the breach of the
10th commandment! I did learn piano unaided when
about 16 or something - just for a few months.
Can still play 'passably' any pieces I know - but
would dearly love to find time to commit to
learning 'properly'.
With your background you probably have good reason
for 'shunning' particular styles of music. I have
no idea what DR's musical background is [but I do
recall reading in the ng that he's not much at
singing ! ]. I would contest, however, that he
generally makes well qualified, and well thought
out, statements regarding Christian doctrine. It
would seem the easiest proof to simply cut/paste.
So here goes:
DR Said
Bro. Rat decried the abysmal doctrinal ignorance
of the typical "Christian" as contrasted with
their affinity for trite religious musical
ditties.
Now in essence, that is 100% in agreement with
what I wrote. The shallowness, self-centredness,
musical-overbearance present in much of what we
call contemporary Christian music, reflects a
complete and utter destitution of sound doctrinal
content.
DR further commented:
Shame when more "Christians" are familiar with Amy
Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman than
with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther.
Notwithstanding my love for music, I know which
~does~ take preference in my life - and it ain't
this music!
But that's not to say it doesn't have its place in
the working out of God's will. It may be that the
trite statements of Amy Grant &oths in song,
become the seed that blossoms into repentance and
full Christian maturity.
Dave
Dave Wood
> told you Janie?? Or was that in one ear and out
the other?
Now I'm getting that 'eerie' feeling here.
Dave
Dave Wood
> Some sprout but die off, religion of emotion not
> grounded in meat (as opposed to milk) or even
> nothing often is fleeting. A Christian must be
grounded
> in the word.
And it is duly noted that a person can be full to
the overflowing with 'nice' and ~not~ be a
Christian.
Romans 10:17 So then faith cometh by hearing, and
hearing by the word of God.
Dave
The DataRat
Nice red herring, Supergirl, but the issue
was NEVER whether or not to listen to
music.
The issue was Christians being familiar
with "Christian" music and ignorant about
Biblical doctrine.
The DataRat
The DataRat
"DR further commented:
Shame when more 'Christians' are familiar with Amy
Grant, Michael W. Smith, and Gary Chapman than
with Augustine, Calvin, and Luther."
THAT'S what the Genevan Rodent wrote. The
idiots in the newsgroup attempt to make it into
"No Christian should listen to music".
The DataRat
Supergirl
Long time no comment from you. ;) Forgive my ignorance, but what do you
mean by the "red herring" comment? I realize now that no one was saying not
to listen to any Christian music, but please realize that I was not saying
that no one should study theology. I was simply pointing out that we can
learn about God in many different ways, as long as their is discernment of
whether or not it's truly OF God or not. I certainly don't advocate
listening to any teacher/pastor/singer, etc... that doesn't show fruits of
the spirit, or wisdom of the Bible. Nor do I advocate NOT learning theology
and biblical truths. I merely think that we have many forums in which to
gain knowledge, and many in which to praise our Father.
I'd also like to add on a personal note: I apologize for our past
"arguments". I truly feel I got way too involved in trying to show you the
loving side of God, but I want all to know that I wasn't dismissing the
spiritual warfare side. I wasn't advocating relativistic morality, nor
absolute truth, nor any of the other Post-Modern beliefs. If my posts
seemed that way, then I have done a grave injustice to my own beliefs, and
to the Lord. I admit that I got wrapped up in defending myself, and lost
sight of the issues we were discussing. While I still believe in BOTH
sides, I won't delve into the "proving" of anything anymore. I realize that
there is a spiritual war going on all around us, and that we must stand
strong and fight when called. That doesn't, nor did it ever, mean that I
can't believe in God's mercy, love, and grace. I think for the most part,
we have similar beliefs. It's just the way we each presented them that
didn't agree. I do hope, though, that I've not hurt any of my
brothers/sisters, and especially my heavenly Father. That's my only concern
at this point. No more arguing. =)
Supergirl
sound as if I was saying otherwise. It seems I don't quite get my whole
point across sometimes. But I do wholeheartedly believe in being grounded
in the word. I was only saying that there've been people who are drenched
in as much theology as one man can possess, yet they show no sign of being
close to God. On the contrary, there are many who delve into Christian
music/entertainment that are also not close to God. There must be
relationship with Christ. That's all I was saying. =)
Supergirl
anything and be void of God. I hope you didn't think I was pointing a
finger at anyone saying they weren't close to God. I get the feeling you
made your comment because you know I advocated God's love/ Christian love in
earlier posts (but I may be foolishly assuming). I just hope everyone
knows that I'm not only advocating that, in fact, I believe wholeheartedly
in putting on the full armor of God and fighting our spiritual war. I
simply got too caught up in defense of that one issue. But, the issue at
hand now is that I agree with your post.
SG
The DataRat
"Forgive my ignorance, but what do you
mean by the 'red herring' comment?"
It's an idiom.
"I was simply pointing out that we can
learn about God in many different ways..."
A dangerous concept.
"I apologize for our past 'arguments'."
Listen, SG, these are public forums. There is
nothing wrong with debate, and contention
between ideas.
"That doesn't, nor did it ever, mean that I
can't believe in God's mercy, love, and grace."
All Christians believe in His mercy, love, and
grace. But, it's NOT universal. God "hates"
sinners ( Psalms 5:5, 11:5 ). We do the greatest
disservice to the unregenerate by telling 'em that
God loves them. They need to know that they
are at enmity with Him ( Romans 8:7 ), and He
with them.Focusing upon God's love with the unredeemed
is NOT an invitation to salvation, it's an invitation
for them to be happy where they are !
"I think for the most part, we have similar beliefs."
Don't count on it.
The DataRat
.
Mike Welborn
> doctrinal ignorance of the typical "Christian" as
> contrasted with their affinity for trite religious musical
> ditties.
>
I would certainly agree with the doctrinal ignorance point. I would take a
little issue with the general classification of the music of these artist as
"trite religious musical ditties". I do not think the whole of Christian
Contemporary Music fits into that label.
Mike
Mike Welborn
Psalm 150
1 Praise the LORD. [1] Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his mighty
heavens.
2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing greatness.
3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and
lyre,
4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and
flute,
5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.
This psalm doesn't give me the impression of people presenting deep
theological themes or understandings to the Lord, but rather that of joyous
praise with and in everything.
If by the music, they are lifting praise to God, I would have difficulty
faulting it, even if I didn't like the style of music or thought that it was
doctrinally shallow.
Mike
The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message
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Ruth J. Serra
Raul Goulden wrote:
> I may be mistaken but hasn't Amy Grant left her husband
> for that country singer????
Amy and Gary are divorced...why they are divorced I don't know.
Ruth J. Serra
MrsRat wrote:
> His name is Vince Gill. Yes, he left his wife and Amy left
> her husband, so they could be together.
Do you know that for sure? If so, where did the info come from?
Ruth J. Serra
Janie wrote:
> Actually to be correct, Amy has crossed over into many different music
> arenas, contemporary, pop, country, and Christian.
> I never cared for her music much, but I have several Gary Chapman (Amy's
> husband) c.d.'s.
> You are also correct in that they do not present a Christian example.
> Multiple marriages do not honor God.
> Janie
I like both of them and have their music, I was very grieved that these two
christian singers who profess Christ as the answer to every problem in life
couldn't work through whatever came between them.
Ruth J. Serra
Raul Goulden wrote:
> The parable of the seeds comes to mind.
> Some sprout but die off, religion of emotion not
> grounded in meat (as opposed to milk) or even
> nothing often is fleeting. A Christian must be grounded
> in the word.
Listening to their music you'd have thought they WERE! That just goes to
show, spouting bible and talking the talk doesn't mean you're walking the
walk!
Ruth J. Serra
Supergirl wrote:
Scot
The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message news:37942CA6...@home.com...
Janie
IMO its a matter of separating sheep from the goats.
Blessings,
Janie
Ben Mitts wrote in message <3793AE33...@provide.net>...
Janie
However, we are talking about GOD here. The creator, redeemer of mankind.
He has supplied us with all we need. The Holy Spirits function is to lead
us into all truths.....I cannot deny this as being THE BEST WAY to learn
about God and know His will for me. Man cannot be trusted. God will NEVER
let me down. Raul, I do not understand the sarcasm and hostility toward me.
Blessings,
Janie
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n0njk$mh$1...@bgtnsc03.worldnet.att.net>...
>
>Janie <jani...@bright.net> wrote in message
>news:7n0lg2$7pm$1...@cletus.bright.net...
>> Why lean on "mans" theology when God gave us
>> The Holy Spirit? I just cannot understand this reasoning at all.
>> Janie
>
>
>You remember the story about the drowning man I
>told you Janie?? Or was that in one ear and out the other?
>
>RG
>
>
Janie
LOL
Janie
Dave Wood wrote in message <1QSk3.9763$yD2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com>...
>> You remember the story about the drowning man I
>> told you Janie?? Or was that in one ear and out
>the other?
>
Janie
We are warned in Scripture about "wolves in sheep's clothing".
Blessings,
Janie
Ruth J. Serra wrote in message <3794774E...@hroads.net>...
Janie
inadvertently follows mans meaning of Scripture rather than The Holy Spirits
Truths.
Janie
Dave Wood wrote in message ...
>> The parable of the seeds comes to mind.
>> Some sprout but die off, religion of emotion not
>> grounded in meat (as opposed to milk) or even
>> nothing often is fleeting. A Christian must be
>grounded
>> in the word.
>
>
Ruth J. Serra
Janie wrote:
> Dear Ruth,
> We are warned in Scripture about "wolves in sheep's clothing".
> Blessings,
> Janie
Yes we are. I think both Gary and Amy started out with a ministry to do for
Christ...however, you can't really mix around and rub shoulders with the
sinful and compromising world and let down your gaurd for even one sec.
Somehow these two got off track. I know God can get them back on track and
hope they will be submissive to that possibility.
Jason Harris
The DataRat wrote in message <37940F5C...@home.com>...
theologians metaphorically. There are the simple truths of the faith such
as humility and brotherly love that can tend to get lost when venturing into
complex theology. It is evident when people of different denominations
insult each other and get caught up into bitter arguements over profound
theological issues. When I said there must be a balance, i meant that,
though it is good to study deep into God's word, you must always keep the
basics in the forefront of your mind. Perhaps singing a shallow Christian
pop song saying something like, "I don't feel blue. Jesus loves me and you.
No matter what you do. Jesus loves me and you," will prevent "spiritual
growth" from becoming grounds for pride and patronization of others. As you
build a house, you must always make sure the foundation is still strong.
"And if any man think that he knoweth any thing, he knoweth nothing yet as
he ought to know." 1 Corinthians 8:2
Raul Goulden
> hope they will be submissive to that possibility.
>
>
Don't worry, they are just letting the smoke blow off,
they'll cut another album and say how sorry they are that they
were so sinful. They'll promise not to do it again and
"christians" will line their pockets once again.
I've said this before, I'll say it again, anything that comes out of
Nashville is all about $$$$, and very little to do with Christianity.
--
Raul Goulden
Janie
I guess God will be the final judge.
Blessings,
Janie
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n24t9$j1l$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Ruth J. Serra
Raul Goulden wrote:
> I've said this before, I'll say it again, anything that comes out of
> Nashville is all about $$$$, and very little to do with Christianity.
I feel that way about the entertainment field myself...but I can't see
the big picture only Christ can, so I'll refraim from making that kind of
statement.
Raul Goulden
> The Psalms have a lot more theology than people
> realize. 150 brings out a number of important points
> in six verses. It's anything except "doctrinally shallow" !
>
>
> The DataRat
Nothing shallow about the Psalms, makes me wonder
if he has read them to even say something like that.
Just because something is said eloquently doesn't
mean it is superficial.
The DataRat
"This psalm doesn't give me the impression of people
presenting deep theological themes or understandings
to the Lord, but rather that of joyous praise with and in
everything."
Hardly !
Psalm 150 is ~not~ about "everything". No
Universalism here. It's about GOD !
It's a doxology, but also almost a systematic theology
about the nature of God and our relationship to Him.
Ruth J. Serra
The DataRat wrote:
> It's a doxology, but also almost a systematic theology
> about the nature of God and our relationship to Him.
>
> The Psalms have a lot more theology than people
> realize. 150 brings out a number of important points
> in six verses. It's anything except "doctrinally shallow" !
I agree. That doesn't make songs about people and their faith wrong. I
have been both taught and blessed by Contemporary Christian music.
Janie
Its my belief people can be blessed by others who are in the "faking" game.
I am not saying for sure these artists are faking, but one can still be
blessed by their music.
Its ultimately a call for only God to make regarding their sincerity in
their walk with Him.
Blessings,
Janie
Mike Welborn wrote in message ...
>Was thinking more along the lines of
>
>Psalm 150
>1 Praise the LORD. [1] Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his
mighty
>heavens.
>2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing
greatness.
>3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and
>lyre,
>4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and
>flute,
>5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
>6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.
>
>This psalm doesn't give me the impression of people presenting deep
>theological themes or understandings to the Lord, but rather that of joyous
>praise with and in everything.
>
>If by the music, they are lifting praise to God, I would have difficulty
>faulting it, even if I didn't like the style of music or thought that it
was
>doctrinally shallow.
>
>Mike
>
>The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message
The DataRat
"I have been both taught and blessed by
Contemporary Christian music."
Yes, Ruth, we've noticed the theological
dynamo Contemporary Christian music has
made you !
The DataRat
Butch
wrote:
Please look at the above exchange in light of:
James 3:13-18 NCV
13 Are there those among you who are truly wise and understanding?
Then they should show it by living right and doing good things with a
gentleness that comes from wisdom.14 But if you are selfish and have
bitter jealousy in your hearts, do not brag. Your bragging is a lie
that hides the truth.15 That kind of “wisdom” does not come from God
but from the world. It is not spiritual; it is from the devil.16 Where
jealousy and selfishness are, there will be confusion and every kind
of evil.17 But the wisdom that comes from God is first of all pure,
then peaceful, gentle, and easy to please. This wisdom is always ready
to help those who are troubled and to do good for others. It is always
fair and honest.18 People who work for peace in a peaceful way plant a
good crop of right-living.
Butch....
Another friend is always welcome!
William Jarrell
>
> "I have been both taught and blessed by
> Contemporary Christian music."
>
> Yes, Ruth, we've noticed the theological
> dynamo Contemporary Christian music has
> made you !
>
> The DataRat
Hey look on the brightside. As far I know Amy Grant doesn't advocate
burning people at the stake.
- William Jarrell
Mike Welborn
The point is that the Psalm calls everything that has breath to praise the
Lord. It is the praise that is being presented that doesn't appear to be a
deep theological theme or understanding being brought before the Lord.
Rather simple praise is being lifted up to Him.
The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message
news:3794B262...@home.com...
>
>
> "This psalm doesn't give me the impression of people
> presenting deep theological themes or understandings
> to the Lord, but rather that of joyous praise with and in
> everything."
>
>
>
> Hardly !
>
> Psalm 150 is ~not~ about "everything". No
> Universalism here. It's about GOD !
>
Nor was any presented.
> It's a doxology, but also almost a systematic theology
> about the nature of God and our relationship to Him.
>
> The Psalms have a lot more theology than people
> realize. 150 brings out a number of important points
> in six verses. It's anything except "doctrinally shallow" !
>
Nobody is claiming that it is.
>
> The DataRat
>
>
>
>
>
>
Mike Welborn
Raul Goulden <der...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:7n2bt6$mgg$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net...
>
> > The Psalms have a lot more theology than people
> > realize. 150 brings out a number of important points
> > in six verses. It's anything except "doctrinally shallow" !
> >
> >
>
>
> Nothing shallow about the Psalms, makes me wonder
> if he has read them to even say something like that.
> Just because something is said eloquently doesn't
> mean it is superficial.
>
>
You need to read my post, before you come to a judgement. You will find that
I never called the Psalm shallow, nor implied as much.
>
>
Supergirl
Janie
William Jarrell wrote in message <3794D6...@bellsouth.net>...
GoldRush
Janie wrote:
> Why lean on "mans" theology when God gave us
> The Holy Spirit? I just cannot understand this reasoning at all.
> Janie
Janie,
You are mistaken if you think any of us Calvinists lean upon
John Calvin, the man. He was fallible like us all.
But, he was a regenerated man; a child of God, with the
indwelling Holy Spirit who gave him great illumination into
the Scriptures.
As fellow believers with Calvin, we can learn from him. His
writings (if you would only start to read some of them) are
heavily dependant upon the Word of God, and his motive was
only to exegete the Word of God.
If you are willing to listen to a human preacher give a sermon,
you should be willing to read good theologians . . .and Calvin
is only one of many!
Be brave. Start exposing yourself to the efforts and fruits of
our Godly church fathers. Leave the milk, and start feeding
on the meat! [Hebrews 5:13&14].
Log onto http://ccel.wheaton.edu
and discover a whole world of wonderful learning!
Jim & Ronda
--
GoldRush
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Jason Harris
Mike Welborn wrote in message ...
>> Rodent's comment. Bro. Rat decried the abysmal
>> doctrinal ignorance of the typical "Christian" as
>> contrasted with their affinity for trite religious musical
>> ditties.
>>
>
>I would certainly agree with the doctrinal ignorance point. I would take a
>little issue with the general classification of the music of these artist
as
>"trite religious musical ditties". I do not think the whole of Christian
>Contemporary Music fits into that label.
>
>Mike
Let me take this moment to support one of my favorite bits of music, 80's
Christian hair metal...esp Whitecross.....Today it seems there are the "hip"
Christian bands with obscure poetic type lyrics and occasional mentions of
the word God or good moral lessons, not to mention the many just plain going
secular.....The only music with bold God honoring lyrics anymore is soft
hymn type stuff.......In the good olde days of Christian rock they we not
afraid to sing straight up about Jesus without metaphors and stories and
fluff......songs like "You're my Lord", "Because of Jesus", and "I am on the
rock" don't beat around the bush
Jason Harris
Mike Welborn wrote in message ...
>
>Psalm 150
>1 Praise the LORD. [1] Praise God in his sanctuary; praise him in his
mighty
>heavens.
>2 Praise him for his acts of power; praise him for his surpassing
greatness.
>3 Praise him with the sounding of the trumpet, praise him with the harp and
>lyre,
>4 praise him with tambourine and dancing, praise him with the strings and
>flute,
>5 praise him with the clash of cymbals, praise him with resounding cymbals.
>6 Let everything that has breath praise the LORD. Praise the LORD.
>
>theological themes or understandings to the Lord, but rather that of joyous
>praise with and in everything.
>
>faulting it, even if I didn't like the style of music or thought that it
was
>doctrinally shallow.
>
>Mike
This is not like me at all but I must say it.......Amen!!!..... I love when
God's word is quoted and it explains a point with no explanation needed
Raul Goulden
> Let me take this moment to support one of my favorite bits of music, 80's
> Christian hair metal...esp Whitecross...
I hate to bring this up, but isn't Whitecross the group that
had a member caught doing his two underage neighbors?
Jason Harris
The DataRat wrote in message <3794B262...@home.com>...
>
>
>"This psalm doesn't give me the impression of people
>presenting deep theological themes or understandings
>to the Lord, but rather that of joyous praise with and in
>everything."
>
>
>
>
>Psalm 150 is ~not~ about "everything". No
>Universalism here. It's about GOD !
>
>about the nature of God and our relationship to Him.
>
>realize. 150 brings out a number of important points
>in six verses. It's anything except "doctrinally shallow" !
>
would your review be?
>
>The DataRat
>
>
>
>
>
>
Raul Goulden
> >theological themes or understandings to the Lord, but rather that of
joyous
> >praise with and in everything.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Matthew Henry-
on Psalm 150
* A psalm of praise.
- We are here stirred up to praise God. Praise God for his
sanctuary, and the privileges we enjoy by having it among us;
praise him because of his power and glory in the firmament.
Those who praise the Lord in heaven, behold displays of his
power and glory which we cannot now conceive. But the greatest
of all his mighty acts is known in his earthly sanctuary. The
holiness and the love of our God are more displayed in man's
redemption, than in all his other works. Let us praise our God
and Saviour for it. We need not care to know what instruments of
music are mentioned. Hereby is meant that in serving God we
should spare no cost or pains. Praise God with strong faith;
praise him with holy love and delight; praise him with entire
confidence in Christ; praise him with believing triumph over the
powers of darkness; praise him by universal respect to all his
commands; praise him by cheerful submission to all his
disposals; praise him by rejoicing in his love, and comforting
ourselves in his goodness; praise him by promoting the interests
of the kingdom of his grace; praise him by lively hope and
expectation of the kingdom of his glory. Since we must shortly
breathe our last, while we have breath let us praise the Lord;
then we shall breathe our last with comfort. Let every thing
that hath breath praise the Lord. Praise ye the Lord. Such is
the very suitable end of a book inspired by the Spirit of God,
written for the work of praise; a book which has supplied the
songs of the church for more than three thousand years; a book
which is quoted more frequently than any other by Christ and his
apostles; a book which presents the loftiest ideas of God and
his government, which is fitted to every state of human life,
which sets forth every state of religious experience, and which
bears simple and clear marks of its Divine origin.
Geneva notes-
150:1 Praise ye the LORD. Praise God in his {a} sanctuary:
praise him in the {b} firmament of his power.
(a) That is, in the heaven.
(b) For his wonderful power appears in the firmament,
which in Hebrew is called a stretching out, or
spreading abroad, in which the mighty work of God
shines.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
Yes, it is a Psalm of praise, but I think Mr. Henry demonstrates
there is a lot there to think about.
Jason Harris
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n35ft$qjt$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
with impure motives (which describes every single preacher on earth).....The
power is in the Gospel, not in the example (however horrible) of the
messengers.....If it's true he doubtlessly got kicked out though.....We are
all totally depraved horrible sinners and the only thing keeping me and you
from molesting the neighbors is God's grace and mercy....Many "Christian"
leaders fall away terrible, but we can trust the Lord to make sure His job
gets done even though He does use sinners as His instruments.
Raul Goulden
Jason Harris <jja...@geocities.com
> wrote in message
> We are
> all totally depraved horrible sinners and the only thing keeping me and
you
> from molesting the neighbors is God's grace and mercy....Many "Christian"
> leaders fall away terrible, but we can trust the Lord to make sure His job
> gets done even though He does use sinners as His instruments.
Jason,
I think there is enough proof that the whole "christian star"
thing is unhealthy, the fruit seems horribly rotten and corrupt.
Our focus should be the Lord Jesus, not somebody wiggling
on stage.
As an accomplished viola, bass, and bass guitar player I have
always been a music lover. My tastes are wide ranging.
I do like some of the popular christian music, but most seems
of inferior quality. Many of it is just generic brands of whatever
is popular in the world. Poor copies usually.
The real Artists with hearts for the Lord like Keith Green
are few and far between in the CCM world.
RG
The DataRat
"You need to read my post, before you come to
a judgement. You will find that I never called the
Psalm shallow, nor implied as much."
What you wrote was:
"This psalm doesn't give me the
impression of people presenting
deep theological themes or
understandings to the Lord"
Sure sounds like you were calling it shallow ! Or,
implied as much.
The DataRat
.
Butch
wrote:
>
>
>
> "You need to read my post, before you come to
> a judgement. You will find that I never called the
> Psalm shallow, nor implied as much."
>
>
>
> What you wrote was:
>
> "This psalm doesn't give me the
> impression of people presenting
> deep theological themes or
> understandings to the Lord"
>
> Sure sounds like you were calling it shallow ! Or,
> implied as much.
>
Sounds that way only to those who are coiled like a copper head ready
to strike at anything faintly differing from their own interpretation.
The DataRat
"Honestly, if Gary Chapman was to sing a song
with these exact lyrics, what would your review
be?"
Bro. Rat would say it beats heck out of:
"I've seen the darkness, and it saw me
But here in the light, where the dark can't see
There is a sweet glow of mercy that covers me"
( Gary Chapman, Sweet Glow of Mercy )Sheesh ! "I've seen the darkness, and it saw me" ?
Give the Genevan Rodent a break !
The DataRat
.
Supergirl
I, too, am fed up with too many Christian performers watering down their
songs. There are many who haven't succumbed to this, but so many of them
have. So many have crossed over, and so many have abandoned their original
attitudes/ and it seems their original calling. I stopped listening to Amy
Grant and a few others years ago, because I felt it dishonored God when they
crossed over. Maybe that's harsh of me to judge, but I just don't want to
listen to people that are no longer singing for God's truth. (It seems many
of them aren't these days.) I do appreciate the ones that still do, though.
Supergirl
--
~You don't have to present yourself as perfect or holy, only as REDEEMED!~
Mike Welborn
The DataRat <dat...@home.com> wrote in message news:379511A8...@home.com...
"You need to read my post, before you come to
a judgement. You will find that I never called the
Psalm shallow, nor implied as much."
What you wrote was:
"This psalm doesn't give me the
impression of people presenting
deep theological themes or
understandings to the Lord"
Sure sounds like you were calling it shallow ! Or,
implied as much.
The DataRat
.
Ruth J. Serra
GoldRush wrote:
> Janie,
>
> You are mistaken if you think any of us Calvinists lean upon
> John Calvin, the man. He was fallible like us all.
>
> But, he was a regenerated man; a child of God, with the
> indwelling Holy Spirit who gave him great illumination into
> the Scriptures.
>
> As fellow believers with Calvin, we can learn from him. His
> writings (if you would only start to read some of them) are
> heavily dependant upon the Word of God, and his motive was
> only to exegete the Word of God.
>
> If you are willing to listen to a human preacher give a sermon,
> you should be willing to read good theologians . . .and Calvin
> is only one of many!
>
> Be brave. Start exposing yourself to the efforts and fruits of
> our Godly church fathers. Leave the milk, and start feeding
> on the meat! [Hebrews 5:13&14].
I don't mean this in a careless heartless way, but if you, Data and Mrs
are the example of Calvin it gives me very little incentive to read
ANYthing that man believed. I had no problem with him before this
newsgroup, but if he was like you guys...I'm sorry. I want to be
sensitive and caring, loving people while standing firm in my faith and
learning obedience. I can understand your stanch conviction that you
must win the lost, but your mannerisms seem cold and heartless. Of
course I will allow that there are some who need that kind of behavior,
but you seem to treat everyone that way.
Ruth J. Serra
Raul Goulden wrote:
> Jason,
> I think there is enough proof that the whole "christian star"
> thing is unhealthy, the fruit seems horribly rotten and corrupt.
> Our focus should be the Lord Jesus, not somebody wiggling
> on stage.
As long as the message is the Lord's it's not to be criticized. I feel that it's
pretty danerous to delve into those things as well, but we cannot generalize the
acts and singing of all singers involved.
> The real Artists with hearts for the Lord like Keith Green
> are few and far between in the CCM world.
>
Wow! He's my absolute favorite! Common ground, excellent.
The DataRat
"...but if you, Data and Mrs are the example of Calvin
it gives me very little incentive to read ANYthing that
man believed."
Ruth is looking for the Gospel of Nice and the PoMo
God-O'-Love-only.
Ruth and the other PoMo Girls -Janie and Jason-
WON'T find ~that~ in Calvin or Scripture !
The DataRat
Dave Wood
What am I addressing? - the people and their
activity
Mike, I read it the way DR did - what you were
addressing was the Psalm, or its writer.
~That~ meaning is not obscure. Your proposed
meaning ~is~ obscure.
Mike wrote:
Then I would contend you still haven't read it
correctly.
Wrong. You should write/rewrite it so that ~your~
meaning is clear.
Dave
Jason Harris
Butch wrote in message <37ae1d04...@news.infi.net>...
>> a judgement. You will find that I never called the
>> Psalm shallow, nor implied as much."
>>
>>
>>
>> What you wrote was:
>>
>> "This psalm doesn't give me the
>> impression of people presenting
>> deep theological themes or
>> understandings to the Lord"
>>
>> Sure sounds like you were calling it shallow ! Or,
>> implied as much.
>>
>
>to strike at anything faintly differing from their own interpretation.
>
>Butch....
>Another friend is always welcome!
Butch. I'll be your friend. You have a way with words.
Raul Goulden
Ruth J. Serra <tika...@hroads.net> wrote in message
> As long as the message is the Lord's it's not to be criticized.
I'm sure the Pharisees felt the same way about
the critical things Jesus had to say about them.
After all, they were just doing the "Lord's work".
RG
Ruth J. Serra
Raul Goulden wrote:
No, deep in their souls they knew better!
I'm getting mighty tired of being accused of things that aren't true
about me and other believers on this newsgroup. You want truth without
any thought to kindness I'll give it to you. You are really being
arrogant and haughty to think you are so perfectly righteous that you
can talk down to those who not agree on every doctrine you believe. You
are not showing the character of Christ except for on ONE ocassion
spoken of in scripture. There is no one in this newsgroup who doesn't
know that on top of being loving, kind, merciful and compassionate, that
Christ is also Holy, righteous, pure and sinless. He will stand in
judgement one day of us ALL and we know HIS righteousness, His purity
matters and is just as important as His loving side..we ARE NOT
IGNORANT, REBELLIOUS, OR GOING TO HELL because we don't agree with
everything a Calvinist thinks, believes, feels or espouses!
I have a few scriptures you'd do well to heed...You, the Rat and his
wife and any other "We'll pound you over the head until you do it OUR
way" believers and they are: Rom.14:1-4; 1 Cor.10:12; Matt.5:7 and James
2:13.
If I were you I'd get that attitude of yours under control and watch
myself before that wrath you so willingly preach down on others comes
full force on you!
Janie
commandment is LOVE!
Read Data.
You can call people all the names that make you feel superior, it doesn't
change God. HE IS LOVE!
Janie
The DataRat wrote in message <3795BE27...@home.com>...
Raul Goulden
>
>
> Raul Goulden wrote:
>
> > Ruth J. Serra <tika...@hroads.net> wrote in message
> > > As long as the message is the Lord's it's not to be criticized.
> >
> > I'm sure the Pharisees felt the same way about
> > the critical things Jesus had to say about them.
> > After all, they were just doing the "Lord's work".
> >
> > RG
>
> No, deep in their souls they knew better!
>
Cite????
> I'm getting mighty tired of being accused of things that aren't true
> about me and other believers on this newsgroup. You want truth without
> any thought to kindness I'll give it to you. You are really being
> arrogant and haughty to think you are so perfectly righteous that you
> can talk down to those who not agree on every doctrine you believe.
A rant, Ruth, was this really called for???
I sincerely do think the Pharisees thought they were
doing the Lords work. Surely Paul did.
My suggestion is that you quit dishing out your
opinions if you don't want others to express theirs.
Butch
<jja...@geocities.com> wrote:
>Butch. I'll be your friend. You have a way with words.
>
Hello Friend! Quite a free-for-all on here isn't it? Beware, you'll
be tainted by friendship with me. I'm one of 'those' don't you know.
<G>
Raul Goulden
Fascinating how these PoMo
proponents of the Gospel of Nice
always get nasty.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
How true.
We have one guy that never has posted anything
but "be nice" nasti-grams for the 6 months I've been posting in here.
RG
.
Scot
Butch <ch...@rocketmail.com> wrote in message
news:37a2e8f5...@news.infi.net...
Butch, I'll be your friend as well... I don't give a rat's ass what other
people think of you. :-)
Scot
Janie
I would rather read a "nice" post over a "nastygram" anytime.
You can rebuke and correct with out the nasty attitude.
Janie
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n4pi1$jna$1...@bgtnsc01.worldnet.att.net>...
Butch
Hello to you too, Scot. We have to keep our minds on Paul's words:
1 Corinthians 4:3 NRSV
3 But with me it is a very small thing that I should be judged by you
or by any human court. I do not even judge myself.
Also, Paul by the Holy Spirit wrote:
Romans 14:4
4 Who are you to pass judgment on servants of another? It is before
their own lord that they stand or fall. And they will be upheld, for
the Lord is able to make them stand.
Maybe if we tried to be gracious and friendly to others, Christ's
kingdom would be seen for the love it was supposed to show forth.
Raul Goulden
> Dear Raul,
> You can rebuke and correct with out the nasty attitude.
> Janie
This was my entire post-
"I'm sure the Pharisees felt the same way about
the critical things Jesus had to say about them.
After all, they were just doing the "Lord's work"."
Now, what on earth is all the "attitude" stuff.
If you people want to waste people's time with
interpersonal problems of your own imagination
count me out. I know how to use a killfile.
Janie
If you wish to use your kill file on me that is your decision. As we all
can kill file who ever when ever. Its not the end of life on the NG. I
feel like I am walking on eggs with you, why is that?
Blessings,
Janie
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n4vc8$oun$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Mike Welborn
Dave Wood <david...@bigpond.com> wrote in message
news:kGjl3.10649$yD2....@newsfeeds.bigpond.com...
> Mike wrote:
> What am I addressing? - the people and their
> activity
>
>
>
Then I would contend that you both made a mistake.
>what you were
> addressing was the Psalm, or its writer.
>
I fail to see how my post could be so construed.
> ~That~ meaning is not obscure. Your proposed
> meaning ~is~ obscure.
>
>
No, rather you appear to be looking for a challenge.
>
> Mike wrote:
> Then I would contend you still haven't read it
> correctly.
>
>
>
> Wrong. You should write/rewrite it so that ~your~
> meaning is clear.
>
>
Not at all.
If you care to provide a critique, feel free. You are welcome to diagram the
sentences in order to substantiate your position that I was saying that the
psalm was theologically shallow. You will have difficulty doing so, for you
are not correct.
Mike
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
Raul Goulden
> No, rather you appear to be looking for a challenge.
That is probably true, I doubt if anyone thought they
would get it on this topic though.
Raul Goulden
Janie <jani...@bright.netn
> Raul, calm down...why are you so defensive.
Reinstate Ruth's rant-
> I'm getting mighty tired of being accused of things that aren't true
> about me and other believers on this newsgroup. You want truth without
> any thought to kindness I'll give it to you. You are really being
> arrogant and haughty to think you are so perfectly righteous that you
> can talk down to those who not agree on every doctrine you believe.
Janie that is what you defended against my post of this-
"I'm sure the Pharisees felt the same way about
the critical things Jesus had to say about them.
After all, they were just doing the "Lord's work"."
You responded with-
Dear Raul,
I would rather read a "nice" post over a "nastygram" anytime.
You can rebuke and correct with out the nasty attitude.
Janie
I didn't rebuke or correct or have a nasty attitude.
You stand with someone that lets loose an uncalled for rant
and I'm not supposed to set the record straight???
The rant was uncalled for and so was your response.
My simple statement pointed out inconsistancy in her
post, obviously she felt it had merit or she would not have
reacted so viciously.
Janie
I see it now. I should not have used the word "you" as I was not singling
you out. (I meant people in general)
I apologize for the mistake. I hope you can forgive me as I didn't mean it
the way it came out.
Sincerely,
Janie
Raul Goulden wrote in message <7n52ch$ngq$1...@bgtnsc02.worldnet.att.net>...
Supergirl
Rabbit
self-righteousness, and ignores what is obviously readable in the posts
he respons to.
Ruth is preaching love and standing firm in one's faith, not
"love-only". I have been convinced that you, DR, are either evil or
delusional. If you wish to discuss it, let's start a new thread.
Ruth J. Serra
Dave Wood wrote:
> Such attitude. Condemnation also. A little
> judgmental too perhaps?
>
> Sorry Ruth, but as was previously pointed out,
> this is a spiritual warfare. The weapon is the
> Word.
>
> If the water's too hot, better off climbing out
> and letting those with feet shod with the
> preparation of the gospel, and having on the
> breastplate of righteousness, into the fray.
>
> Dave
I did exactly what you Calvinist have been doing. Take your own advice
because you just advised me for actting just like you. No King but
Christ for me! Calvin isn't the last word on truth.