The strange mind of the Bible fundamentalist
Andrew W
Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians are not really in search of the
truth. They never have been.
To be able to find and discern the truth one must have a completely
objective and unbiased mind and must search everywhere for the truth no
matter where it may be.
The fundamentalist cannot do this because they have been indoctrinated to
believe that only their book can contain the truth, so they only search for
it there. Any other information they come across is just compared to it and
immediately rejected if it doesn't agree.
Their minds are filled with biases, presuppositions and prejudices. You
cannot find truth with a mind like that.
Bible fundamentalists are too closed minded and religiously zealous to
consider that the Bible might only be partly inspired. With them it always
has to be all or nothing, there can never be any grey area. That's the exact
mentality of the religious extremist.
Inspired means human words which have been inspired by a higher source.
Inspired doesn't mean dictated which is what fundamentalists actually
believe. Inspired and dictated are two completely different concepts.
If the scriptures were written by humans then they can't be called God's
word, yet fundamentalists act like the scriptures were dictated word for
word by God, but they still refer to them as inspired, which is dishonest.
This is known as black and white thinking and extremism / fundamentalism.
What the Bible fundamentalist Christians don't realise is that if they would
have grown up in the Middle East then they would now be saying that the
Koran is the infallible inspired word of God instead of the Bible.
--
Andrew W.
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opportunity to bless him. His need is YOURS. You NEED the
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gabriel
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: The strange mind of the Bible fundamentalist.
1 Corinthians 1:18-21 KJVR
18 For the preaching of the cross is to them that perish
foolishness; but unto us which are saved it is the power of God.
19 For it is written, I will destroy the wisdom of the wise, and
will bring to nothing the understanding of the prudent.
20 Where is the wise? where is the scribe? where is the disputer
of this world? hath not God made foolish the wisdom of this
world?
21 For after that in the wisdom of God the world by wisdom knew
not God, it pleased God by the foolishness of preaching to save
them that believe.
Titus 2:13-14 KJVR
13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of
the great God and our Savior Jesus Christ;
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all
iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of
good works.
1 Peter 2:6-10 KJVR
6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay
in Zion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that
believeth on him shall not be confounded.
7 Unto you therefore which believe he is precious: but unto them
which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed,
the same is made the head of the corner,
8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offense, even to them
which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they
were appointed.
9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, a holy
nation, a peculiar people; that ye should show forth the praises
of him who hath called you out of darkness into his marvelous
light:
10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people
of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained
mercy.
:
: Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians are not really in search of the
: truth. They never have been.
:
: To be able to find and discern the truth one must have a completely
: objective and unbiased mind and must search everywhere for the truth no
: matter where it may be.
:
: The fundamentalist cannot do this because they have been indoctrinated to
: believe that only their book can contain the truth, so they only search for
: it there. Any other information they come across is just compared to it and
: immediately rejected if it doesn't agree.
: Their minds are filled with biases, presuppositions and prejudices. You
: cannot find truth with a mind like that.
Or perhaps people don't see the truth of God's Word, as evidenced
by them believing the lies of a woman who has claimed to speak
directly to Jesus Christ in the 1960's, and what Jesus personally
told her contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
alongside with.
:
: Bible fundamentalists are too closed minded and religiously zealous to
: consider that the Bible might only be partly inspired. With them it always
: has to be all or nothing, there can never be any grey area. That's the exact
: mentality of the religious extremist.
:
: Inspired means human words which have been inspired by a higher source.
: Inspired doesn't mean dictated which is what fundamentalists actually
: believe. Inspired and dictated are two completely different concepts.
: If the scriptures were written by humans then they can't be called God's
: word, yet fundamentalists act like the scriptures were dictated word for
: word by God, but they still refer to them as inspired, which is dishonest.
: This is known as black and white thinking and extremism / fundamentalism.
:
: What the Bible fundamentalist Christians don't realise is that if they would
: have grown up in the Middle East then they would now be saying that the
: Koran is the infallible inspired word of God instead of the Bible.
You wrote in another post:
"What I also dislike is fundy Christians using the Bible to
spread negativity and doom, and promoting separation (us and
them) instead of unity."
And this is your attempt to promote unity? Calling God's Word
lunacy? Saying those who believe God's Word have "strange minds"
or are "closed minded?"
You might want to take a closer look at your own motives, as your
behavior continues to lie in complete contradiction to your
claims. Not to mention God's Word completely addresses behavior
such as yours, indicating people would do exactly what you
continue to do. =(
Andrew W
More preaching by copying and pasting corrupted and edited scriptures?
Is that all you can do?
>
>>
>> Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians are not really in search
>> of the truth. They never have been.
>>
>> To be able to find and discern the truth one must have a completely
>> objective and unbiased mind and must search everywhere for the truth
>> no matter where it may be.
>>
>> The fundamentalist cannot do this because they have been
>> indoctrinated to believe that only their book can contain the truth,
>> so they only search for it there. Any other information they come
>> across is just compared to it and immediately rejected if it doesn't
>> agree.
>> Their minds are filled with biases, presuppositions and prejudices.
>> You cannot find truth with a mind like that.
>
> Or perhaps people don't see the truth of God's Word, as evidenced
> by them believing the lies of a woman who has claimed to speak
> directly to Jesus Christ in the 1960's, and what Jesus personally
> told her contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
> alongside with.
>
What is God's word? A book? Are you sure?
Or is it God's quiet voice inside each of us, including ordinary women?
Wasn't Christ also called God's word made flesh?
Still think it is just a book?
> contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
> alongside with.
We no longer have hardly anything of what Christ actually said.
It is human nature to alter whatever is difficult to understand.
A lot of time passed between when the words spoken and when they were
written down.
You put far more faith in men than in God.
>>
>> Bible fundamentalists are too closed minded and religiously zealous
>> to consider that the Bible might only be partly inspired. With them
>> it always has to be all or nothing, there can never be any grey
>> area. That's the exact mentality of the religious extremist.
>>
>> Inspired means human words which have been inspired by a higher
>> source. Inspired doesn't mean dictated which is what fundamentalists
>> actually believe. Inspired and dictated are two completely different
>> concepts.
>> If the scriptures were written by humans then they can't be called
>> God's word, yet fundamentalists act like the scriptures were
>> dictated word for word by God, but they still refer to them as
>> inspired, which is dishonest. This is known as black and white
>> thinking and extremism / fundamentalism.
>>
>> What the Bible fundamentalist Christians don't realise is that if
>> they would have grown up in the Middle East then they would now be
>> saying that the Koran is the infallible inspired word of God instead
>> of the Bible.
>
> You wrote in another post:
> "What I also dislike is fundy Christians using the Bible to
> spread negativity and doom, and promoting separation (us and
> them) instead of unity."
>
> And this is your attempt to promote unity? Calling God's Word
> lunacy? Saying those who believe God's Word have "strange minds"
> or are "closed minded?"
>
Saying that the Bible is "God's word" *is* lunacy when you look at how the
Bible came to be, being compiled and edited by the corrupt Roman church.
We will have unity when there are no more fundamentalists in the world and
when people actually start using their brains instead of just obeying an old
book without first checking its parentage.
And yes you do have a strange and closed mind. You have a strange and closed
minded idea of the Creator for some reason wanting to rob us our chance to
use our free will and our brains, by making one religion's book absolutely
infallible, which must be obeyed unquestioningly on pain of unimaginable
death and suffering.
Is this loving, or even rational?
Is it fair to other well established religions?
> You might want to take a closer look at your own motives, as your
> behavior continues to lie in complete contradiction to your
> claims. Not to mention God's Word completely addresses behavior
> such as yours, indicating people would do exactly what you
> continue to do. =(
>
What do I continue to do? Seek truth and encourage open mindedness and
questioning.
What do you continue to do? Preach ancient fear based half truths about a
supposed angry god person who demands repentance and threatens to kill and
torture everyone who doesn't comply.
gabriel
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
God's Word says those of us who are His children are considered
peculiar, and here you are calling them strange. God's Word being
shown accurate yet again.
Why is that accurate?
: Is that all you can do?
:
: >
: >>
: >> Fundamentalist Bible believing Christians are not really in search
: >> of the truth. They never have been.
: >>
: >> To be able to find and discern the truth one must have a completely
: >> objective and unbiased mind and must search everywhere for the truth
: >> no matter where it may be.
: >>
: >> The fundamentalist cannot do this because they have been
: >> indoctrinated to believe that only their book can contain the truth,
: >> so they only search for it there. Any other information they come
: >> across is just compared to it and immediately rejected if it doesn't
: >> agree.
: >> Their minds are filled with biases, presuppositions and prejudices.
: >> You cannot find truth with a mind like that.
: >
: > Or perhaps people don't see the truth of God's Word, as evidenced
: > by them believing the lies of a woman who has claimed to speak
: > directly to Jesus Christ in the 1960's, and what Jesus personally
: > told her contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
: > alongside with.
: >
:
: What is God's word? A book? Are you sure?
Are you sure it's not?
: Or is it God's quiet voice inside each of us, including ordinary women?
So any woman that claims to speak with Christ is being honest?
: Wasn't Christ also called God's word made flesh?
Was He not?
: Still think it is just a book?
Still think it's not?
:
: > contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
: > alongside with.
:
: We no longer have hardly anything of what Christ actually said.
Please prove that what we have is not what Christ actually said,
as opposed to just believing it's not.
Meanwhile, for God who can create the entire universe and all
life, it's trivial for Him to preserve His Word, much like He
easily kept Christ alive as an infant from Herod's mad attempt to
murder Him by murdering a great many infants.
: It is human nature to alter whatever is difficult to understand.
How do you know this woman didn't alter what was difficult for
her to understand?
: A lot of time passed between when the words spoken and when they were
: written down.
: You put far more faith in men than in God.
Actually it's because I have faith in God that I continue to have
faith in His Word.
Why don't you have faith in God being able to do this?
:
: >>
: >> Bible fundamentalists are too closed minded and religiously zealous
They have their own bible - it's not the bible we follow. Why do
you believe what was written about God's Word, ignoring the very
reasons you dismiss God's Word - that what's written cannot be
trusted?
: We will have unity when there are no more fundamentalists in the world and
: when people actually start using their brains instead of just obeying an old
: book without first checking its parentage.
:
: And yes you do have a strange and closed mind. You have a strange and closed
: minded idea of the Creator for some reason wanting to rob us our chance to
: use our free will and our brains, by making one religion's book absolutely
: infallible, which must be obeyed unquestioningly on pain of unimaginable
: death and suffering.
: Is this loving, or even rational?
: Is it fair to other well established religions?
:
: > You might want to take a closer look at your own motives, as your
: > behavior continues to lie in complete contradiction to your
: > claims. Not to mention God's Word completely addresses behavior
: > such as yours, indicating people would do exactly what you
: > continue to do. =(
: >
:
: What do I continue to do? Seek truth and encourage open mindedness and
: questioning.
Have you questioned why the dead sea scrolls that were found yet
again confirm the Word of God we have is indeed accurate?
:
: What do you continue to do? Preach ancient fear based half truths about a
: supposed angry god person who demands repentance and threatens to kill and
: torture everyone who doesn't comply.
Why have you not repented for sinning and called on Christ to
save you from the punishment for sinning? Why, in effect, do you
spit on God's attempt to forgive you?
Andrew W
> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:22:41 +1000, "Andrew W"
> <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
>> gabriel wrote:
>>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:32:59 +1000, "Andrew W"
>>> <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>>>
>> More preaching by copying and pasting corrupted and edited
>> scriptures?
>
> God's Word says those of us who are His children are considered
> peculiar, and here you are calling them strange. God's Word being
> shown accurate yet again.
>
God's children are considered peculiar. Hmm. Ok.
> Why is that accurate?
>
There is no accuracy in the Bible.
Its a book of collected stories.
>>>
>>
>> What is God's word? A book? Are you sure?
>
> Are you sure it's not?
>
Yes. I have researched it. You need to do the same.
>> Or is it God's quiet voice inside each of us, including ordinary
>> women?
>
> So any woman that claims to speak with Christ is being honest?
>
You basically have to look at the quality of the spiritual content.
The Course in Miracles has high quality spiritual content as do many other
modern channelled material.
The Bible however has varying levels of quality, much of it low. It contains
a lot of passive ego like fear, guilt, etc.
>> Wasn't Christ also called God's word made flesh?
>
> Was He not?
>
Yes.
>> Still think it is just a book?
>
> Still think it's not?
>
If Christ was the Word then the Word cannot be a book.
>>
>>> contradicts what Jesus told His disciples He walked
>>> alongside with.
>>
>> We no longer have hardly anything of what Christ actually said.
>
> Please prove that what we have is not what Christ actually said,
> as opposed to just believing it's not.
>
I don't simply believe its not, I have researched it and found out for sure.
The only way that you can see the proof is to research it yourself.
> Meanwhile, for God who can create the entire universe and all
> life, it's trivial for Him to preserve His Word, much like He
> easily kept Christ alive as an infant from Herod's mad attempt to
> murder Him by murdering a great many infants.
>
Why should God preserve something that's not his in the first place?
>> It is human nature to alter whatever is difficult to understand.
>
> How do you know this woman didn't alter what was difficult for
> her to understand?
>
Because of the high quality of the spiritual content.
>> A lot of time passed between when the words spoken and when they were
>> written down.
>> You put far more faith in men than in God.
>
> Actually it's because I have faith in God that I continue to have
> faith in His Word.
>
> Why don't you have faith in God being able to do this?
>
Its not his word. I don't put faith in old embellished legends.
>>>
>>> And this is your attempt to promote unity? Calling God's Word
>>> lunacy? Saying those who believe God's Word have "strange minds"
>>> or are "closed minded?"
>>>
>>
>> Saying that the Bible is "God's word" *is* lunacy when you look at
>> how the Bible came to be, being compiled and edited by the corrupt
>> Roman church.
>
> They have their own bible - it's not the bible we follow.
>
Its basis is the same. Both contain the same corruptions of spiritual
concepts.
The reason you don't see it is because you don't know much about
spirituality and metaphysics which is mostly what Christ taught.
> Why do
> you believe what was written about God's Word, ignoring the very
> reasons you dismiss God's Word - that what's written cannot be
> trusted?
>
If you know human nature then you'll understand why it can't be trusted.
The Course in Miracles on the other hand is far more recent and has had far
less time to become corrupt.
>>>
>>
>> What do I continue to do? Seek truth and encourage open mindedness
>> and questioning.
>
> Have you questioned why the dead sea scrolls that were found yet
> again confirm the Word of God we have is indeed accurate?
>
Only some of its verses roughly match up with the Bible. Did you know that?
Also the dead sea scrolls were written by the Essenes which was another
cult.
>>
>> What do you continue to do? Preach ancient fear based half truths
>> about a supposed angry god person who demands repentance and
>> threatens to kill and torture everyone who doesn't comply.
>
> Why have you not repented for sinning
>
I always do repent when I do something wrong.
> and called on Christ to
>
I did called on Christ when I was a Christian and nothing happened.
> save you from the punishment for sinning?
>
There is no such thing as divine punishment. There is karma however.
> Why, in effect, do you
> spit on God's attempt to forgive you?
>
I don't. Your version of God is not the real God.
Its an anthropomorphised version.
gabriel
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: gabriel wrote:
: > On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:22:41 +1000, "Andrew W"
: > <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: >
: >> gabriel wrote:
: >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 19:32:59 +1000, "Andrew W"
: >>> <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: >>>
: >> More preaching by copying and pasting corrupted and edited
: >> scriptures?
: >
: > God's Word says those of us who are His children are considered
: > peculiar, and here you are calling them strange. God's Word being
: > shown accurate yet again.
: >
:
: God's children are considered peculiar. Hmm. Ok.
:
: > Why is that accurate?
: >
:
: There is no accuracy in the Bible.
: Its a book of collected stories.
NO accuracy in the Bible? So a person named Jesus never existed?
Please prove it.
Not one of the places and locations mentioned in the Bible ever
existed? Egypt doesn't really exist? You sure "there is NO
accuracy in the Bible?"
Not one of the people mentioned in the bible ever existed? Please
prove every one of them are fake, in spite of Archeological
evidence that continues to prove even those from the Old
Testament were very real.
Meanwhile why does it say those who are saved will be a
"peculiar" people, and there you are calling them "strange,"
proving yet another point about the Bible with your own behavior?
Yet another accuracy.
Andrew W
I said there's no accuracy in the Bible. I didn't say there's no true
information in the Bible whatsoever.
I don't understand why you always have to jump from one extreme to the
other.
There are verses that say this number of soldiers, and others say a
different number of soldiers, plus there are many other discrepancies in the
scriptures. God wouldn't make so many mistakes.
But then there is all the passive (and aggressive) ego that's all through
the scriptures (fear, guilt, condemnation, doom), plus all the metaphysical
distortions and misunderstandings which I won't go into here.
> Meanwhile why does it say those who are saved will be a
> "peculiar" people, and there you are calling them "strange,"
> proving yet another point about the Bible with your own behavior?
> Yet another accuracy.
>
It simply means that the people who will go forward spiritually in the next
age will not be the common people, like the ones who just follow popular
main stream religions, but the ones who make an effort to search beyond the
mainstream and mundane for the real truth.
gabriel
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: gabriel wrote:
: > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:38:50 +1000, "Andrew W"
You're the one claiming the dishonest extreme that there's *no*
accuracy in the Bible. This only shows how you're going to
intentionally resort to clearly false statements in your search
for "truth."
: There are verses that say this number of soldiers, and others say a
: different number of soldiers, plus there are many other discrepancies in the
: scriptures. God wouldn't make so many mistakes.
They're only mistakes in the eyes of people that want them to be
mistakes.
Misconceptions and deceptions people have claimed are explained
here:
www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/09/29/contradictions-introduction
And specific "contradictions" have long been explained as nothing
of the kind. Here are some of them.
www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/v/recent/k/contradictions-series
Any contradiction you think you see can easily be explained -
google them if you're honestly after "truth." If not, then I
guess you won't bother.
And consider:
1 Corinthians 1:25-29 KJVR
25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the
weakness of God is stronger than men.
26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men
after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to
confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the
world to confound the things which are mighty;
28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised,
hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to
naught things that are:
29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
It wouldn't surprise me in the least if God had intentionally put
in what seems to be contradictions, so that those who deem
themselves wise in their own sight will latch onto it as yet
another excuse to reject the truth of God.
But contradictions aren't really the issue at all, as proven by
your own dishonest statements that contradict each other.
: But then there is all the passive (and aggressive) ego that's all through
: the scriptures (fear, guilt, condemnation, doom), plus all the metaphysical
: distortions and misunderstandings which I won't go into here.
You mean like the ego of some that claim to know more than the
disciples of Jesus Christ, and instead believe a woman who claims
to have spoken to Christ personally in 1960?
:
: > Meanwhile why does it say those who are saved will be a
: > "peculiar" people, and there you are calling them "strange,"
: > proving yet another point about the Bible with your own behavior?
: > Yet another accuracy.
: >
:
: It simply means that the people who will go forward spiritually in the next
: age will not be the common people, like the ones who just follow popular
: main stream religions, but the ones who make an effort to search beyond the
: mainstream and mundane for the real truth.
But I thought you said the Bible contains *no* accuracies? Now
you're claiming it's accurate in describing you personally(?),
rather than describing how you call people who follow Christ
"strange"?
For you to claim Titus 2:14 is accurate in describing you as
rejecting God's Word only shows that you know there are
accuracies in the Bible - but this after just getting done making
the false extreme claim there are *no* accuracies in the Bible.
It's clear by your obviously dishonest statements that contradict
each other that truth is not what you're after at all - only your
version of "truth" being accepted as such, and the lie being
accepted that God's Word cannot be trusted.
Titus 2:14 KJVR
14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all
iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of
good works.
For the record, God calls those who are redeemed as being
considered a "peculiar" people - not those who teach that God's
Word is a lie.
God's Word says His people will be considered peculiar, and you
make that true by calling people who follow God and His Word
"strange" and other choice words.
The truth is you are determined to dismiss God's Word as being a
lie, which is exactly what Satan does. So in effect, Satan is
loving what you're doing right about now. That should be a
wake-up call if you're seriously after truth - if not, that won't
bother you in the least.
But in any event, your clearly dishonest statements that
contradict each other expose where you're really coming from. =(
Take care.
theologynut
> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:38:12 +1000, "Andrew W"
>
> : gabriel wrote:
>
> : > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:38:50 +1000, "Andrew W": > <removethis_ajwer...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> : >: >> gabriel wrote:
>
>
> : >>>: >>>> gabriel wrote:
>
This debate seems to be about truth and lies, but it would be more
diplomatic to ask whose truth and whose lies? In other words, in
extrapolating Biblical truth, who gets to call the shots?
Fundamentalism is a relatively recent development in reaction to Bible
scholarship. Early in the 20th century, some clergymen decided to
draw up a list of the "inalienable truths" that define Christianity.
They included the divinity of Christ, virgin birth, substitutionary
death, physical ressurection, and final judgment following
apocalypse. Why these particular doctrines won out over pacifism,
forgiveness, grace, and sharing, is anyone's guess, but even the
Apostles' Creed seems to concentrate on the supernatural aspects of
the Bible rather than the proactive paranesis. By paranesis I mean
guidance and admonition. It boils down to emphasis, in my opinion.
Upon which do YOU choose to focus? Some Biblical books (i.e.the
gospel that Iranaeus attributed to John) emphasize belief above acts
("3:16-whosoever believeth on Him shall not perish, etc.") whereas
James and Matthew uphold works and the law as every bit as important
as faith. ("Not one jot nor tittle of the law shall pass away" and
"faith without works is dead.") My opinion is that lazier people
choose the belief-is-enough theology, proactive Christians are out
there helping the poor, oppressed, and ill. For them, to spread the
good news, it's important to BE good news.
Dixe Hollins
always remove the Bible and replace it with a Book of Mormon in every
hotel room I stay in. Dixie.
Andrew W
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> On Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:38:12 +1000, "Andrew W"
> <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
>
> : gabriel wrote:
> : > On Thu, 9 Jul 2009 18:38:50 +1000, "Andrew W"
> : > <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> : >
> : >> gabriel wrote:
> : >>> On Sun, 5 Jul 2009 22:22:41 +1000, "Andrew W"
> : >>> <removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
> : >>>
> : >>
> : >> There is no accuracy in the Bible.
> : >> Its a book of collected stories.
> : >
> : > NO accuracy in the Bible? So a person named Jesus never existed?
> : > Please prove it.
> : >
> : > Not one of the places and locations mentioned in the Bible ever
> : > existed? Egypt doesn't really exist? You sure "there is NO
> : > accuracy in the Bible?"
> : >
> : > Not one of the people mentioned in the bible ever existed? Please
> : > prove every one of them are fake, in spite of Archeological
> : > evidence that continues to prove even those from the Old
> : > Testament were very real.
> : >
> :
> : I said there's no accuracy in the Bible. I didn't say there's no true
> : information in the Bible whatsoever.
> : I don't understand why you always have to jump from one extreme to the
> : other.
>
> You're the one claiming the dishonest extreme that there's *no*
> accuracy in the Bible. This only shows how you're going to
> intentionally resort to clearly false statements in your search
> for "truth."
>
Saying that there is no accuracy in the Bible is not an extreme if you know
what the word means.
I think you need to look the word up in the dictionary.
Inaccuracy doesn't mean that there's no true information whatsoever, it
means that the data is not 100% true. It has faults in other words, as all
things in this world do.
I know this can be hard for people who's minds only work in black and white
mode but you have to try.
> : There are verses that say this number of soldiers, and others say a
> : different number of soldiers, plus there are many other discrepancies in
> the
> : scriptures. God wouldn't make so many mistakes.
>
> They're only mistakes in the eyes of people that want them to be
> mistakes.
>
Or true in the eyes of people that want them to be true.
It works both ways, as the checkered history of Christianity has shown.
> Misconceptions and deceptions people have claimed are explained
> here:
> www.answersingenesis.org/articles/2008/09/29/contradictions-introduction
>
answersingenesis.org is run by people like yourself who very much want to
believe that the Bible is infallible and have already decided so without
hardly any inquiry or investigation, and they flat out reject anything that
disagrees with it.
> And specific "contradictions" have long been explained as nothing
> of the kind. Here are some of them.
> www.answersingenesis.org/get-answers/v/recent/k/contradictions-series
> Any contradiction you think you see can easily be explained -
> google them if you're honestly after "truth." If not, then I
> guess you won't bother.
>
They were explained *away* by people like yourself who want to believe the
infallibility of the scriptures.
Its possible to explain anything away if you try hard enough and have a
relatively creative mind in that area.
But there are things that even the best theists have not been able to
explain away. I have pointed some out and the theist was not able to give a
reply, or gave an insufficient or downright silly one.
> And consider:
> 1 Corinthians 1:25-29 KJVR
> 25 Because the foolishness of God is wiser than men; and the
> weakness of God is stronger than men.
> 26 For ye see your calling, brethren, how that not many wise men
> after the flesh, not many mighty, not many noble, are called:
> 27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to
> confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the
> world to confound the things which are mighty;
> 28 And base things of the world, and things which are despised,
> hath God chosen, yea, and things which are not, to bring to
> naught things that are:
> 29 That no flesh should glory in his presence.
>
> It wouldn't surprise me in the least if God had intentionally put
> in what seems to be contradictions, so that those who deem
> themselves wise in their own sight will latch onto it as yet
> another excuse to reject the truth of God.
>
There's one now.
You're now not only making God out to be tricky and not totally honest, but
you are compromising the infallibility notion of the Bible.
>
> But contradictions aren't really the issue at all, as proven by
> your own dishonest statements that contradict each other.
>
> : But then there is all the passive (and aggressive) ego that's all
> through
> : the scriptures (fear, guilt, condemnation, doom), plus all the
> metaphysical
> : distortions and misunderstandings which I won't go into here.
>
> You mean like the ego of some that claim to know more than the
> disciples of Jesus Christ, and instead believe a woman who claims
> to have spoken to Christ personally in 1960?
>
We don't know for sure what the disciples of Christ experienced or heard. It
was so long ago.
They didn't write things down as they were spoken. You attribute superhuman
abilities to them and only them.
We all have to actually make an effort to seek the truth, not just have it
delivered to us in a magical book.
And I don't just believe "a woman who claims to have spoken to Christ".
I have checked it out and compared the data to many other advanced spiritual
sources.
As I keep pointing out, our God source speaks to and inspires all
individuals in certain ways, not just a handful of individuals who are long
dead.
> :
> : > Meanwhile why does it say those who are saved will be a
> : > "peculiar" people, and there you are calling them "strange,"
> : > proving yet another point about the Bible with your own behavior?
> : > Yet another accuracy.
> : >
> :
> : It simply means that the people who will go forward spiritually in the
> next
> : age will not be the common people, like the ones who just follow popular
> : main stream religions, but the ones who make an effort to search beyond
> the
> : mainstream and mundane for the real truth.
>
> But I thought you said the Bible contains *no* accuracies? Now
> you're claiming it's accurate in describing you personally(?),
> rather than describing how you call people who follow Christ
> "strange"?
>
Look up the word 'accuracy' in the dictionary.
> For you to claim Titus 2:14 is accurate in describing you as
> rejecting God's Word only shows that you know there are
> accuracies in the Bible - but this after just getting done making
> the false extreme claim there are *no* accuracies in the Bible.
>
Its not accurate, but it contains *some* truths.
> It's clear by your obviously dishonest statements that contradict
> each other that truth is not what you're after at all - only your
> version of "truth" being accepted as such, and the lie being
> accepted that God's Word cannot be trusted.
>
> Titus 2:14 KJVR
> 14 Who gave himself for us, that he might redeem us from all
> iniquity, and purify unto himself a peculiar people, zealous of
> good works.
>
> For the record, God calls those who are redeemed as being
> considered a "peculiar" people - not those who teach that God's
> Word is a lie.
>
> God's Word says His people will be considered peculiar, and you
> make that true by calling people who follow God and His Word
> "strange" and other choice words.
Those who follow popular mainstream state religions are hardly peculiar.
They are very common.
Those who step out on their own and seek alternative truths against the
advice and wishes of the crowd are considered more peculiar.
>
>
> The truth is you are determined to dismiss God's Word as being a
> lie, which is exactly what Satan does. So in effect, Satan is
> loving what you're doing right about now. That should be a
> wake-up call if you're seriously after truth - if not, that won't
> bother you in the least.
>
What I've always been determined to do is find out the real truths and clear
up old false beliefs.
>
> But in any event, your clearly dishonest statements that
> contradict each other expose where you're really coming from. =(
>
You seem to like accusing your opponents of being dishonest.
If that makes you feel secure and happy then just keep doing it.
gabriel
<removethi...@optushome.com.au> wrote:
: "gabriel" <gabriel...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
The problem is in you saying it has *no* accuracy - not in what
the word accuracy means.
: I think you need to look the word up in the dictionary.
: Inaccuracy doesn't mean that there's no true information whatsoever, it
: means that the data is not 100% true. It has faults in other words, as all
: things in this world do.
So if it has *some* truths, one says "it's *not entirely*
accurate," or even "*it's mostly* inaccurate." If it has NO
truths, one says "There is *no* accuracy in the Bible," which is
what you actually said.
But yet again you now admit it has some truths - then once again,
in spite of now back pedaling and admitting that the Bible has
some truth in it, you're the one that made the dishonest, extreme
claim that "there is *no* accuracy in the Bible."
You can change your tune now that you've been caught admitting
the Bible has truth in it, but it still doesn't change the fact
that you continue to prove that you're going to resort to
intentionally false, extreme statements in your search for
"truth," or more accurately your attempt to squelch the real
truth that contradicts your personal version.
Take care.