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Is the Polgar, Truong, USCF Settlement Non-Enforceable?
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samsloan
Apr 2, 2012, 4:58:19 PM4/2/12
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I have just spent several hours researching PACER and several websites
and groups seeking the actual terms under which Susan Polgar, Paul
Truong and the USCF Defendants including Hal Bogner and Brian Lafferty
agreed to settle all their cases in Texas, California and Illinois.
The result I have come up with so far is nothing. All I have found is
an order dated January 25, 2010 entered in the Texas case mutually
dismissing both cases without explaining the reasons for the
dismissal.
As I recall, the deal was Susan Polgar and Paul Truong agreed to be
forever banned from the USCF and agreed never again to run for the
USCF board or to try to take over the USCF by any means whatever. In
return, the USCF agreed to drop its claims against Polgar and Truong.
My understanding was that this agreement was memorialized in a court
order. However, I can find no such court order. Also, I thought that
the USCF issued a press release about this. I can find no such press
release either.
Thus, I am now concluding that this was just a private agreement. If
so, then, Polgar and Truong can come back at any time and start the
whole thing all over again. They can say that they never agreed to
this or that their attorneys misinformed them or whatever.
Also, a pro-Polgar Wikipedia administrator has deleted everything
about this litigation from the Wikipedia biographies of Polgar and
Troung, so now the general public has no knowledge of this litigation
or the results thereof.
If this is the case, then Polgar and Truong have emerged as clear
winners of these court cases, not the losers that I thought they were.
Also, the USCF is the loser having spent more than $600,000 on these
cases and gotten nothing from it.
Sam Sloan
and groups seeking the actual terms under which Susan Polgar, Paul
Truong and the USCF Defendants including Hal Bogner and Brian Lafferty
agreed to settle all their cases in Texas, California and Illinois.
The result I have come up with so far is nothing. All I have found is
an order dated January 25, 2010 entered in the Texas case mutually
dismissing both cases without explaining the reasons for the
dismissal.
As I recall, the deal was Susan Polgar and Paul Truong agreed to be
forever banned from the USCF and agreed never again to run for the
USCF board or to try to take over the USCF by any means whatever. In
return, the USCF agreed to drop its claims against Polgar and Truong.
My understanding was that this agreement was memorialized in a court
order. However, I can find no such court order. Also, I thought that
the USCF issued a press release about this. I can find no such press
release either.
Thus, I am now concluding that this was just a private agreement. If
so, then, Polgar and Truong can come back at any time and start the
whole thing all over again. They can say that they never agreed to
this or that their attorneys misinformed them or whatever.
Also, a pro-Polgar Wikipedia administrator has deleted everything
about this litigation from the Wikipedia biographies of Polgar and
Troung, so now the general public has no knowledge of this litigation
or the results thereof.
If this is the case, then Polgar and Truong have emerged as clear
winners of these court cases, not the losers that I thought they were.
Also, the USCF is the loser having spent more than $600,000 on these
cases and gotten nothing from it.
Sam Sloan
samsloan
Apr 3, 2012, 3:49:40 AM4/3/12
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[quote=""][quote="samsloan"]
{elided}
Sam Sloan[/quote]
Which edits to the Polgar and Truong articles are you talking about?
Can you provide a pointer please? Thank you.[/quote]
If you look at the Wikipedia articles about Polgar and Truong you will
see a huge number of Edits by "Ellie Dahl" and "Qwyrxian" between 26
April 2011 and 4 August 2011. It is not possible to identify the real
names of these editors. In all likelihood, "Ellie Dahl" is Polgar
herself. The end result is that it makes it look like Polgar won the
lawsuits. It says that the "USCF had to pay her". It deletes all
references to the fact that Polgar was actually expelled from the
USCF. If you were at the 2009 USCF Delegates meeting in Indianapolis
you will know that this is what really happened. Instead, it says that
"Polgar severed her relationship with the USCF".
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Susan_Polgar&diff=442966559&oldid=425983631
Thus, a huge amount of work by other editors was erased and anybody
who tried to revert the edits by "Qwyrxian" got banned from Wikipedia,
as he has administrator privileges.
The end result is that anybody who reads the Wikipedia article will
conclude that Polgar simply got fed up with the USCF and decided not
to bother with us any more, whereas in reality she was expelled and
banned from the USCF for her misdeeds.
Sam Sloan
{elided}
Also, a pro-Polgar Wikipedia administrator has deleted everything
about this litigation from the Wikipedia biographies of Polgar and
Troung, so now the general public has no knowledge of this litigation
or the results thereof.
{elided}
about this litigation from the Wikipedia biographies of Polgar and
Troung, so now the general public has no knowledge of this litigation
or the results thereof.
Sam Sloan[/quote]
Which edits to the Polgar and Truong articles are you talking about?
Can you provide a pointer please? Thank you.[/quote]
If you look at the Wikipedia articles about Polgar and Truong you will
see a huge number of Edits by "Ellie Dahl" and "Qwyrxian" between 26
April 2011 and 4 August 2011. It is not possible to identify the real
names of these editors. In all likelihood, "Ellie Dahl" is Polgar
herself. The end result is that it makes it look like Polgar won the
lawsuits. It says that the "USCF had to pay her". It deletes all
references to the fact that Polgar was actually expelled from the
USCF. If you were at the 2009 USCF Delegates meeting in Indianapolis
you will know that this is what really happened. Instead, it says that
"Polgar severed her relationship with the USCF".
http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Susan_Polgar&diff=442966559&oldid=425983631
Thus, a huge amount of work by other editors was erased and anybody
who tried to revert the edits by "Qwyrxian" got banned from Wikipedia,
as he has administrator privileges.
The end result is that anybody who reads the Wikipedia article will
conclude that Polgar simply got fed up with the USCF and decided not
to bother with us any more, whereas in reality she was expelled and
banned from the USCF for her misdeeds.
Sam Sloan
samsloan
Apr 3, 2012, 4:12:07 AM4/3/12
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Now I have found it. Here is the USCF's press release:
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/10070/319
What is says is: "The Illinois lawsuit will end with a judgment
confirming that Susan Polgar and Paul Truong are no longer Executive
Board members."
However, this did not happen. The Illinois lawsuit did NOT end with a
judgment at all. As far as I can tell, it ended with the USCF simply
dropping it's lawsuit against Polgar and Truong. Thus, Polgar can
claim that she was never expelled from the USCF, just as she often
claims that she is still Woman's World Champion. (In reality, she was
stripped of her World Championship title in 1999 for refusing to
defend it.)
So, there is nothing legally stopping Polgar from running for the
board again. (I certainly hope this does not happen.)
Sam Sloan
http://main.uschess.org/content/view/10070/319
What is says is: "The Illinois lawsuit will end with a judgment
confirming that Susan Polgar and Paul Truong are no longer Executive
Board members."
However, this did not happen. The Illinois lawsuit did NOT end with a
judgment at all. As far as I can tell, it ended with the USCF simply
dropping it's lawsuit against Polgar and Truong. Thus, Polgar can
claim that she was never expelled from the USCF, just as she often
claims that she is still Woman's World Champion. (In reality, she was
stripped of her World Championship title in 1999 for refusing to
defend it.)
So, there is nothing legally stopping Polgar from running for the
board again. (I certainly hope this does not happen.)
Sam Sloan
samsloan
Apr 3, 2012, 10:43:56 PM4/3/12
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New postby billbrock on Tue Apr 03, 2012 9:30 pm #233673
George wrote:
[.... Susan Polgar] is the BEST PROMOTER OF CHESS IN THE WORLD and
the USCF attacked her viciously and without merit. Terrible. It was
the incredible bad actions of the USCF that caused all the problems.
The leadership wasted the financial resources of the membership money
for its own political gains. Reprehensible.
I sincerely hope and expect that some day Susan will be
vindicated. That the USCF will welcome Susan back into USCF and put
her in charge of promoting chess in America. Until then Chess in
America is in the Dark Ages of destructive power politics all designed
to maintain power by those who must be thrown out of USCF.
[....]
Food for thought: cosmologists guesstimate that there are 10^500
possible permutations of the possible initial conditions for a new
universe.
Only 1 in 10^120 universes may have the preconditions necessary for
the evolution of intelligent life, but 10^500 divided by 10^120 is
still a fantastically large number.
Each of these universes (however large) is finite. So there are only
so many possible quantum states in this finite space.
If universes "just happen" -- if Big Bangs are quantum events in
metaverses (just as black hole evaporation results from a series of
quantum events in our universe) -- then there may be an infinite
number of universes virtually identical to ours.
Therefore, a miniscule fraction of these universes have USCF Issues
Fora. But a miniscule fraction of infinity is still infinite.
Given these assumptions, it would indeed be possible (likely, perhaps
even certain!) that George's statement is true in one or more of these
alternate universes.
chicagochess.blogspot.com
billbrock
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Location: Chicago, IL
USCFId: 10152763
George wrote:
[.... Susan Polgar] is the BEST PROMOTER OF CHESS IN THE WORLD and
the USCF attacked her viciously and without merit. Terrible. It was
the incredible bad actions of the USCF that caused all the problems.
The leadership wasted the financial resources of the membership money
for its own political gains. Reprehensible.
I sincerely hope and expect that some day Susan will be
vindicated. That the USCF will welcome Susan back into USCF and put
her in charge of promoting chess in America. Until then Chess in
America is in the Dark Ages of destructive power politics all designed
to maintain power by those who must be thrown out of USCF.
[....]
Food for thought: cosmologists guesstimate that there are 10^500
possible permutations of the possible initial conditions for a new
universe.
Only 1 in 10^120 universes may have the preconditions necessary for
the evolution of intelligent life, but 10^500 divided by 10^120 is
still a fantastically large number.
Each of these universes (however large) is finite. So there are only
so many possible quantum states in this finite space.
If universes "just happen" -- if Big Bangs are quantum events in
metaverses (just as black hole evaporation results from a series of
quantum events in our universe) -- then there may be an infinite
number of universes virtually identical to ours.
Therefore, a miniscule fraction of these universes have USCF Issues
Fora. But a miniscule fraction of infinity is still infinite.
Given these assumptions, it would indeed be possible (likely, perhaps
even certain!) that George's statement is true in one or more of these
alternate universes.
chicagochess.blogspot.com
billbrock
Posts: 3346
Joined: Sun Sep 25, 2005 8:25 pm
Location: Chicago, IL
USCFId: 10152763
samsloan
Apr 4, 2012, 10:41:17 AM4/4/12
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perspective of an internal observer. So there are only so many
possible quantum states in this finite space.
If universes "just happen" -- if Big Bangs are quantum events in
metaverses (just as black hole evaporation results from a series of
quantum events in our universe) -- then there may be an infinite
number of universes virtually identical to ours.
Therefore, a miniscule fraction of these universes have USCF
Issues Fora. But a miniscule fraction of infinity is still infinite.
Given these assumptions, it would indeed be possible (likely,
perhaps even certain!) that George's statement is true in one or more
of these alternate universes.
And in one of those alternate universes four time world champion Sam
If universes "just happen" -- if Big Bangs are quantum events in
metaverses (just as black hole evaporation results from a series of
quantum events in our universe) -- then there may be an infinite
number of universes virtually identical to ours.
Therefore, a miniscule fraction of these universes have USCF
Issues Fora. But a miniscule fraction of infinity is still infinite.
Given these assumptions, it would indeed be possible (likely,
perhaps even certain!) that George's statement is true in one or more
of these alternate universes.
Sloan coaxed super computer whiz Bill Brock into hacking into USCF
Board member George Arndt's personal e-mails and Hal Bogner is still
trying to find out who leaked the Nibbilen report. :twisted:
I heard you the first 32 times.
[The above was a spoof, of course, posted by "Mulfish" MULFORD,
MICHAEL A 10510376 ]
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