Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
The Wrights
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
>
> Question: Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
>
> short answer: yes.
>
But then again, according to Mr. Tanaka, so is -san.
Carl
Tomoyuki Tanaka
Question: Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
short answer: yes.
In article <5i4hoc$f...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
Wally Jansen <wal...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
>
>Dear readers of scj,
>
>I am particularly interested in assessing the
>appropriateness of the word "Nipponese" as a descriptor of the Japanese
>people. Is this term seen as offensive by people in Japan?
>
most people living in Japan don't know the word "Nipponese".
see below for more on the word "Nipponese".
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American misconceptions about Japan FAQ
Archive-name: japan/american-misconceptions
Posting-Frequency: at most once every two or three months
Version: 4 (about 2000 lines)
Last-modified: 1996 Feb 10
Abstract:
This FAQ file examines common American misconceptions
about Japan, which also affect Asian Americans.
Sections (B) and (C) examine naive FAQs and misconceptions.
Section (E) examines more harmful ones.
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...
on a related note ...
many Japanese people (myself included) don't find it
particularly flattering or pleasant when non-Japanese do the
following "Japanese" things in an attempt to be polite or show
off their knowledge.
--- saying, "Ah, so".
--- bowing to us (instead of shaking hands).
--- calling us "XXX-san" in English speech or text, such as
"Good morning, Tanaka-san."
(when friends do it, it's perfectly fine. use of
"-san" in Japanese is always fine. I find it
particularly unpleasant when rude people call me
"Tanaka-san" in English speech or text.)
--- using words "Nippon" and "Nipponese" instead of "Japan" and
"Japanese". (we usually say NIHON anyway.)
I've stored some articles on notation of Japanese names in
English text in my WWW site. see Section (A) for access
information.
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(MISCONCEPTION 5) Japanese are inept at learning English.
Edwin O. Reischauer. The Japanese Today. (1995)
"Unfortunately the Japanese have proved notably inept at
learning to speak foreign languages or to comprehend
them aurally." (Page 387)
THE TRUTH: Japanese are not especially or notably inept.
Japanese and English are two very different kinds of
languages, and it is difficult for a speaker of one to
learn the other.
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(D) why another Usenet FAQ file for <soc.culture.japan>?
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(reason 1) because these misconceptions have tremendous influence
on how non-Japanese people view Japan and the Japanese.
these fundamental conceptions and misconceptions dictate the
very questions that may or may not be asked about Japan.
see also Sections (0.2) and (0.3).
Fred Koehler
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
>
> Question: Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
>
> short answer: yes.
>
> In article <5i4hoc$f...@dfw-ixnews5.ix.netcom.com>,
> Wally Jansen <wal...@ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> >
> >Dear readers of scj,
> >
> >I am particularly interested in assessing the
> >appropriateness of the word "Nipponese" as a descriptor of the Japanese
> >people. Is this term seen as offensive by people in Japan?
> >
>
>most people living in Japan don't know the word "Nipponese".
>
>see below for more on the word "Nipponese".
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
> short answer: yes
>most people living in Japan don't know the word "Nipponese".
? Do you sniff glue, every day?
You contradict yourself in 1 paragraph.
Admit it. Its only YOU who take offense at it.
Your statements prove it.
Note, quick informal survey at work shows you are wrong.
Nipponese was taken to be strange/awkward/unusual/outmoded.
Was not considered 'offensive'.
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Charles M Richmond
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
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> In article <01bc41d3$78cdf640$2bb584d2@hideo-yca2>,
> 山口 秀夫 <hid...@ca2.so-net.or.jp> wrote:
> >
> >In my humble opinion, it'll not offensive for Japanese.
> >But I hate the word "Jap",cuz it sounds discriminative!!
> >
>
> i suppose you've never been ridiculed or made fun of by white
> Americans using the word "Nipponese".
>
I seriously doubt that you have ever heard the term "Nipponese" used
in a derogatory way by "white Americans." Aside from the discussion
of a WWII game, there is only one other person besides you who even
uses the word on usenet and that person is Asian.
One thing that you can be sure of. If someone says something mean to
you, it is personal, not race related.
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Tomoyuki Tanaka
In article <01bc41d3$78cdf640$2bb584d2@hideo-yca2>,
山口 秀夫 <hid...@ca2.so-net.or.jp> wrote:
>
>In my humble opinion, it'll not offensive for Japanese.
>But I hate the word "Jap",cuz it sounds discriminative!!
>
i suppose you've never been ridiculed or made fun of by white
Americans using the word "Nipponese".
;;; TANAKA Tomoyuki (Please call me "Mr. Tanaka" or "Tomoyuki".)
;;;
;;; For <soc.culture.japan> and <soc.culture.asian.american> FAQ
;;; files, see <http://www.cs.indiana.edu/hyplan/tanaka.html>.
;;;
;;; e-mail: tan...@ucdavis.edu or tan...@indiana.edu
Michael Ruther
I think it is like nihonde!(from japan) said in a rude tone.
mike
Tomoyuki Tanaka
In article <3348CF...@iisc.com>, Charles M Richmond <c...@iisc.com> wrote:
>
>One thing that you can be sure of. If someone says something mean to
>you, it is personal, not race related.
>
really?
when this mean "racist scum" (in Anthony Chen's words) was
attacking me (see below), was it only because of me personally
and not race related?
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In article <48csvq$h...@nntp5.u.washington.edu>,
T. Chen <ba...@u.washington.edu> wrote:
>In article <4856b1$m...@northshore.shore.net>,
>Charles M Richmond <c...@shore.net> wrote:
>>
>>It probably had more to do with the fact that Chin had both verbally
>>and physically assaulted Ebens just prior. Note that all of the
>>participants were somewhat intoxicated and that Chin's assault ob
>>Ebens was a result of jealousness over a stripper that he had been
>>harrassing and who had thus transferred her attentions (while dancing)
>>to Ebens.
>
>Mr. hyprocrite, (i am saying this base on your past performance),
>do you or do you not have any evidence to prove the 'prior assaults'
>of Chin to that two murderers ? If not, then stop all these bullshits and
>take away the imagination derived from your monkey brain and GET LOST !
>
>What an asshole Charles Richmond is ! Blaming the victim while he
>doesnt know what the fuck he is talking about.
>
>
>>PS There are plenty of *real* examples of discrimination, for example
>>the harrassment of Vietnamese shrimpers. Vincent Chin is not a good
>>example. Even though Ebens was racist, Chin's death had more to do
>>with his own violent behavior than with Eben's racism.
>
>Oh yeah ? If Eben is not a racist scum like you, will he pick on an
>Asian ? Ya twisted mind liar.
>
>Anthony
>
Charles M Richmond
> In article <3348CF...@iisc.com>, Charles M Richmond <c...@iisc.com> wrote:
> >One thing that you can be sure of. If someone says something mean to
> >you, it is personal, not race related.
> >
Tomoyuki Tanaka wrote:
>
> really?
>
> when this mean "racist scum" (in Anthony Chen's words) was
> attacking me (see below), was it only because of me personally
> and not race related?
Lets remember that T Chen was the idiot who was posting graphic
sexual and racist fantasies to a wide selection of newsgroups.
Frankly I am proud to be on his bad side. Also I completely stand
by my comments below. A man who harrasses strippers and then
gets in barroom brawls is not a good role model, even if he is
killed by another low life like Ebens.
Also you must have completely cracked from the strain. I keep
reading the words below and I don't find any that attack you.
Not that I wouldn't attack you. Your racism, your defense of
genocide , your dishonesty, etc,etc, all make a worthwhile
target for anyone. It is you personally , in that it is your
racism and not your race that people object to.
Charles Richmond
>
> --------------------------------------------------------------------
> >Charles M Richmond <c...@shore.net> wrote:
> >>
>>It probably had more to do with the fact that Chin had both verbally
>>and physically assaulted Ebens just prior. Note that all of the
>>participants were somewhat intoxicated and that Chin's assault ob
>>Ebens was a result of jealousness over a stripper that he had been
>>harrassing and who had thus transferred her attentions (while dancing)
>>to Ebens.
>>
>>PS There are plenty of *real* examples of discrimination, for example
>>the harrassment of Vietnamese shrimpers. Vincent Chin is not a good
>>example. Even though Ebens was racist, Chin's death had more to do
>>with his own violent behavior than with Eben's racism.
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Duncan McKenzie
Michael Ruther <Rut...@alliedsignal.com> wrote in article
<334946...@alliedsignal.com>...
> > Note, quick informal survey at work shows you are wrong.
> > Nipponese was taken to be strange/awkward/unusual/outmoded.
> > Was not considered 'offensive'.
OK, how about "Nipple-knees"?
Duncan McKenzie
Toronto, Canada
Philip Yarra
Looks like we're getting ready for another "Tanaka versus the rest of
the world" batlle. I can hardly wait!!!
I mean, I understand the importance of making these little points, but
hasn't this one gone on a little bit too long? I suugest that we are
never going to agree, and here is my resolution:
Tanaka, I think we all know your views by now. Settle down, and accept
that you probably aren't going to convince anyone here.
Everyone else: stop calling Tanaka naughty names.
Thought: why don't we start a newsgroup for this sort of discussion,
something like alt.conflict.racial.pointless or alt.bugbear.personal
Philip Yarra.
Tomoyuki Tanaka
>
>>No need. A cruise through control.newgroup shows that the following
>>new newsgroups have been proposed:
>>
>>alt.tanaka-tomoyuki and alt.fan.tanaka-tomoyuki
where did you see these "proposals" exactly?
i looked for them in alt.config etc and i can't find them.
>
>
><alt.tanaka-tomoyuki> seems to exist at some sites (newsservers) already
>
>i want to know about other sites that carry the new
><alt*.tanaka-tomoyuki> group(s).
>
>thanks.
>
>
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>Subject: Re: Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
>
>In article <335eba90...@news1.radix.net>, <barbara@.bookpro.com> wrote:
>>p...@nunkeen.apana.org.au (Philip Yarra) wrote:
>>
>>>Looks like we're getting ready for another "Tanaka versus the rest of
>>>the world" batlle. I can hardly wait!!!
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>>Tanaka, I think we all know your views by now. Settle down, and accept
>>>that you probably aren't going to convince anyone here.
>>>
>>>Everyone else: stop calling Tanaka naughty names.
>>>
>>>Thought: why don't we start a newsgroup for this sort of discussion,
>>>something like alt.conflict.racial.pointless or alt.bugbear.personal
>>
>>No need. A cruise through control.newgroup shows that the following
>>new newsgroups have been proposed:
>>
>>alt.tanaka-tomoyuki and alt.fan.tanaka-tomoyuki
>>
>>
>>BWillette
>>
Tomoyuki Tanaka
>No need. A cruise through control.newgroup shows that the following
>new newsgroups have been proposed:
>
>alt.tanaka-tomoyuki and alt.fan.tanaka-tomoyuki
Charles Eicher
In article <5irq26$1ui$1...@mark.ucdavis.edu>, ez07...@rocky.ucdavis.edu
(Tomoyuki Tanaka) wrote:
> >
> >>No need. A cruise through control.newgroup shows that the following
> >>new newsgroups have been proposed:
> >>
> >>alt.tanaka-tomoyuki and alt.fan.tanaka-tomoyuki
>
>
> where did you see these "proposals" exactly?
>
> i looked for them in alt.config etc and i can't find them.
Don't be such an idiot, tanaka. He said <control> not <alt.config>.. You
know damn well the newgroup messages are in <control>, because you issued
these unauthorized newgroup commands yourself, using your old accounts at
the University of Indiana. I guess you don't care if your Indiana accounts
are revoked for net-abuse.
| Charles Eicher |
| -=- |
| cei...@inav.net |
Tomoyuki Tanaka
In article <ZNHYV2D....@delphi.com>, <take...@delphi.com> wrote:
>
>>>>and physically assaulted Ebens just prior. Note that all of the
>>>>participants were somewhat intoxicated and that Chin's assault ob
>>>>Ebens was a result of jealousness over a stripper that he had been
>>>>harrassing and who had thus transferred her attentions (while dancing)
>>>>to Ebens.
>
>racist, yes, racist murder!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
i plan to use the words of the "idiot" as an example
in books, etc.
Tomoyuki Tanaka
>
>I see no net-abuse here.
>
of course not!
i wouldn't do anything that can be considered an abuse, on or
off the net.
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In article <E8nM...@undergrad.math.uwaterloo.ca>,
Drew Hamilton <dr...@drew-hamilton.net> wrote:
>According to Charles Eicher <cei...@inav.net>:
>> Don't be such an idiot, tanaka. He said <control> not <alt.config>.. You
>> know damn well the newgroup messages are in <control>, because you issued
>> these unauthorized newgroup commands yourself, using your old accounts at
>> the University of Indiana. I guess you don't care if your Indiana accounts
>> are revoked for net-abuse.
>
>The reality is that alt.* groups don't need authorization. Anyone can
>newgroup them. It's only the other hierachies that need a formal
>creation procedure.
>
>I see no net-abuse here.
>
> - Drew
Drew Hamilton
Tomoyuki Tanaka
"Nippon" is often considered more formal than "Nihon".
"imperial connotations of the term Nippon" is minimal.
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Subject: Re: Is "Nipponese" regarded as a derogatory term?
In article <334F26...@gol.com>, Eric Hildum <hil...@gol.com> wrote:
>I have not seen the term Nipponese used in Japan. However, the term
>Nippon, which is the older term for Japan is still in use. However,
>today the term Nihon is preferred, as it does not have the imperial
>connotations of the term Nippon.
Count Zero Interrupt
Tomoyuki Tanaka (ez07...@rocky.ucdavis.edu) wrote:
: "Nippon" is often considered more formal than "Nihon".
: "imperial connotations of the term Nippon" is minimal.
Indeed.
If I remember correctly, the term for "Japanese Empire", was "Dai Nihon".
It apparently is still used by Funk and Wagnalls, interestingly enough. It was my
first linguistic error...I used "Dai Nihon", in speaking to a Japanese friend, and
he said, "Don't call it that! We haven't had an empire in years."
Ah, the wild days of high school...
Ryan :>
--
"When a Spark comes online, there's great joy."
Tomoyuki Tanaka
>If I remember correctly, the term for "Japanese Empire", was "Dai Nihon".
i thought it was "dai nippon teikoku"
but "dai nihon teikoku" sounds ok too.
In article <5j35hv$d86$1...@nntp.ucs.ubc.ca>,