Looking for 70-290 braindump or test software
jon smith
environment, and when I am done learning the book, I would like to
review some test questions. Does anyone know where I can find practice
tests for this?
Thanx
John
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However, I sincerely hope that you crash and burn.
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entails, but I use the braindump questions as a review tool, well after
I know the book inside and out. I just took the net+ test, I studied
about 150 hours. Cram your lecture.
Dev Lunsford
that sometimes is a little misplaced. Some people know their stuff inside
out, but want to make sure of passing the test (because not everyone knows
everything off by heart - those questions that ask you where you would go to
perform a specific task, for example, always get me because I never memorize
what the windows are called (who cares? I still go to the right one,
whether it's called Computer Management or Console or System Management
Banana Boat Console). I'd haate to fail the test on that. Plus as I keep
saying, almost nobody will have used absolutely every tool in every
situation on a network. You have to learn all the stuff about faxes, RIS
(for small companies where it's not used), network protocols you don't use,
say NetWare - all that stuff. The approach then is to study it, learn it,
then make sure. You can't just say the guy's not ready because his company
happens not to have a networked print device, or because they don't use
RAID-5 drives yet - go away and don't come back until you've done
everything.
IMO braindumps are only wrong if you have no idea about the subject except
what you've dumped in your brain. I admit there's a wide gray area where
people with experience but who aren't actually very good can certify
themselves as if they were great at their jobs. But there's also a lot of
people who are good and who just want to make sure they're going to pass
these expensive exams and not waste their training time and study time by
having to retake. Is that so bad? I know I'm new to the group and to the
subject, so if I am wrong about this, then sorry. I just think a lot of new
people to the group get shouted at who might be very talented engineers.
For what it's worth, I still think that paper MCSEs need a good kicking
;-) - and being on the borderline, I am trying my best not to be one; still,
I aim to use my first MCP (when I get it) as proof of my potential as an
administrator, with an eye on getting a low-level job as part of a team,
learn from them, and build up my experience. I hereby promise not to bluff
my way into a high-powered admin job on the pretence of being a highly
qualified admin, until I've got enough experience behind me to warrant my
claims. I hope that's OK with you guys.
-dev...
Frisbee® MCNGP
> why?
Because of your subject header... or do you honestly not know what a brain
dump is?
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> What is wrong with you people? I don't know what your "honest way"
> entails, but I use the braindump questions as a review tool, well after
> I know the book inside and out.
Then you didn't need the brain dumps. Guess you didn't know it inside and
out after all.
> I just took the net+ test, I studied
> about 150 hours.
Good for you. Studying and practice is what it takes. Cheating affects us
all, not just you.
> Cram your lecture.
Sure... bend over.
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> Sometimes I have to agree - there's a blanket 'no braindump' feeling here
> that sometimes is a little misplaced.
<Snip>
> IMO braindumps are only wrong if you have no idea about the subject except
> what you've dumped in your brain.
If I'd know this is how you felt about brain dumps, Dev, I would have been
not so quick to offer help in your other posts.
You need to rethink your priorities.
This "I know the material, I just can't take tests" excuse is pure bullshit.
Brain dumps are cheating.
Cheating is wrong.
There is no grey area here.
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Fris "A whiter shade of pale" bee® MCNGP #13
Dev Lunsford
corrected. Personally I'm OK, because if I know the material, I can take
the test. I just thought there were people out there who might be dyslexic
or something who may struggle with testing. Hopefully the newer testing
methods will actually make a big difference to these people who can at least
now demonstrate that they can do their job rather than just answering sort
of abstract questions they might struggle with.
By the way, are braindumps by definition 'learning the answers' to the
tests? I've seen the analogy with high school tests and getting hold of the
answers beforehand. If that's the case, then I'm sorry, I was mixing the
terminology, and I agree braindumps like that are actually cheating. I was
mixing up revision notes (like remembering the full syntax of every
commandline tool) with braindumps. Now how's my attitude?
I hope what I'm doing is learning the material and the job by trying to
understand how everything works. I want to do this the right way, and I'm
using testing software to point out the areas I don't understand yet. I
must make it very clear that I'm taking my time to learn this, whereas
braindumping is short term cramming before the test. I've not even booked
my test, and I won't until I know that I could actually do the job it's
testing. Sorry if I appeared to be pro-dumping. I guess I just don't know
the whole story yet.
-dev...
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> OK, well, as I said, I'm the new guy and I'm here to learn. Consider me
> corrected. Personally I'm OK, because if I know the material, I can take
> the test. I just thought there were people out there who might be
dyslexic
> or something who may struggle with testing.
There are people out there like that, and the testing centers can accomodate
them. We had a thread about a month ago with a person who had trouble
taking the exams, and they thought it was mostly because she was dyslexic.
She was not aware that the testing center would and could help her, she was
leaning towards using brain dumps. I -hope- that I convinced her otherwise,
but I can't be sure.
> Hopefully the newer testing
> methods will actually make a big difference to these people who can at
least
> now demonstrate that they can do their job rather than just answering sort
> of abstract questions they might struggle with.
>
> By the way, are braindumps by definition 'learning the answers' to the
> tests? I've seen the analogy with high school tests and getting hold of
the
> answers beforehand. If that's the case, then I'm sorry, I was mixing the
> terminology, and I agree braindumps like that are actually cheating. I
was
> mixing up revision notes (like remembering the full syntax of every
> commandline tool) with braindumps. Now how's my attitude?
Much better, thanks. Brain dumping is where people who take the tests
memorize as much as they can (or possibly write them down or even photograph
them) and later publish those real questions on the net. This is cleary
cheating. Practice exams with similar, but not exact questions are legit.
Practice exams with real questions are not.
> I hope what I'm doing is learning the material and the job by trying to
> understand how everything works. I want to do this the right way, and I'm
> using testing software to point out the areas I don't understand yet. I
> must make it very clear that I'm taking my time to learn this, whereas
> braindumping is short term cramming before the test. I've not even booked
> my test, and I won't until I know that I could actually do the job it's
> testing. Sorry if I appeared to be pro-dumping. I guess I just don't
know
> the whole story yet.
Yes, don't confuse brain dumping with pre-exam cramming. Not the same thing
at all.
When I first looked into certification, I was looking for Yahoo! groups
and/or clubs that centered around certification. I noticed one in that
category that billed itself as a brain dumping club. Completely naive,
never having heard that phrase before, I honestly thought it meant something
along the line of a study group. I posted the question as to what exactly
the group was about, and was shocked at the answer. Needless to say, I
quickly left the club.
Nothing wrong with studying... study your ass off. Practice, get experience
any way you can. And yes, you DO have to cram before the exam no matter how
good you are... just don't resort to illegal (violation of non-disclosure
agreements) real questions.
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Dev Lunsford
areas. I'm not trying to learn the answers like some parrot. I take the
tests just to point out to myself that I obviously don't understand, say,
file systems that well, so I should go away and play with some until I do.
Do you consider this cheating too? I'd like to think I'm just trying to
learn an honest trade, in a self-apprentice kind of way.
-dev...
Frisbee® MCNGP
Of course that is not cheating. I included this in my last response, so I'm
not sure if you're being sarcastic or not. Sarcasm is difficult to detect
in written word only.
Everyone wishing to be certified should practice in a lab type of
environment. Very smart people can and do get certified by reading books
only, but they will come up short in a real environment. There is no
substitute for hands-on experience.
There are even on-line lab testing sites. I don't have any URL's at the
moment, but they can be found. Also, for in-depth technical assistance, you
should visit Microsoft's tech-net. URL also eludes me at the moment,
perhaps someone else can help point you in the right direction for that.
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Fris "My URL went blank" bee® MCNGP #13
Dev Lunsford
that they're straight from real exams. I mean, I know it goes on, but I
just didn't make the distinction. I have no intention of braindumping.
Probably 'jon smith' who started this thread just wanted cram sheets. Maybe
there needs to be more awareness. Anyway, I've rambled on for far too many
pages, so I promise I will now shut up.
Thanks
-dev...
"Frisbee® MCNGP" <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
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Dev Lunsford
Thanks, I feel better. Thought I might be inadvertently cheating or getting
paper MCP without wanting to.
-dev...
"Frisbee® MCNGP" <bhil...@dasi-software.com> wrote in message
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jon smith
of finding sample questions.hmmm-i didn't know the subject of this
header had changed to "looking for self imposing shut-ins that have no
other outlet".
jon smith
as many people here would like, but my objection is not an opinion, but
the "inherent right and ability" to judge me and my ethics based on a
request for resources. this isn't a goddamed debate. either you answer
my request, or you have nothing to add-i don't give a rat's ass about
what frisbee or anyone else thinks-if i don't know, or don't want to
help, i don't reply.. this group seems to have many "biggest fish in
the smallest ponds they can find"..
btw-thanx for the reply japes, 1st appropriate reply..
:)
Japes wrote:
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> Hi
>
> IMHO what you've got to remember is that Frisbee considers all forms of
> practice exams cheating, I might be wrong but that's the impression I've
> gotten.
> It also doesn't help when your original post erred towards braindumps,
> although you never used the words. I have to agree with Frisbee that BD's
> are cheating and shouldn't be used.
>
> So I would suggest tracenders or measureup practice tests, both of which can
> be bought from there respective sites. And don't even think about asking
> where they can be gotten for free.
>
Frisbee® MCNGP
> so the bottom line is that you have contributed nothing towards my goal
> of finding sample questions.hmmm-i didn't know the subject of this
> header had changed to "looking for self imposing shut-ins that have no
> other outlet".
Listen, dipshit, your subject header states you're looking for braindumps.
No, I don't want to contribute to your goal of looking for brain dumps. As
to looking for legitimate questions for study, if you can't do that on your
own with google, good luck after you get your paper cert.
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Frisbee® MCNGP
> maybe my distinction between brain dumps and trancenders isn't as clear
> as many people here would like, but my objection is not an opinion, but
> the "inherent right and ability" to judge me and my ethics based on a
> request for resources. this isn't a goddamed debate. either you answer
> my request, or you have nothing to add-i don't give a rat's ass about
> what frisbee or anyone else thinks-if i don't know, or don't want to
> help, i don't reply.. this group seems to have many "biggest fish in
> the smallest ponds they can find"..
That's funny, because Japes told you braindumps were cheating, too. But he
wasn't judging you, was he.
> btw-thanx for the reply japes, 1st appropriate reply..
>
> :)
What a cute smilie. Too bad I didn't warrant one. How about a frownie for
me?
Good luck in your job search. You'll need those paper certs to compensate
for your stellar personality.
> Japes wrote:
> > Hi
> >
> > IMHO what you've got to remember is that Frisbee considers all forms of
> > practice exams cheating, I might be wrong but that's the impression I've
> > gotten.
To Japes, I have no idea why I give you that impression. Please show me any
post where I've stated anything that might have implied that. I'm not being
a smart-ass here, I seriously would like to know why you got that
impression.
> > It also doesn't help when your original post erred towards braindumps,
> > although you never used the words. I have to agree with Frisbee that
BD's
> > are cheating and shouldn't be used.
But he did use the words, Japes. In his subject header.
> > So I would suggest tracenders or measureup practice tests, both of which
can
> > be bought from there respective sites. And don't even think about asking
> > where they can be gotten for free.
I'm sure he'll try to find some way to get them free. In general, people
who would brain dump would also have no qualms about stealing software, even
legitimate software.
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Dev Lunsford
MCSE then the group wouldn't help you. If you're not, they will. There's a
lot of freeloaders out there.
My impression is that I don't think Frisbee considers all practice tests
cheating, just the ones where people go against the NDA and pass on actual
test questions so the next guy can get a free MCP. You won't get help here
for that. Thing is, I don't know the answer to your question, and I was
actually sticking up for you because you sounded to me like someone who had
done the work and just wanted to test themselves. The rest of the debate
wasn't aimed at you anyway.
-dev...
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Help Mongo find BrainDump.
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Good bye and I don't want to play anymore!.
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Japes wrote:
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> If you don't "give a rat's ass" why did you engage them in conversation?
> Surely it would have been best to do as you suggested and just not reply.
>
> Just my 2p worth
>
jon smith
want some review questions-it seems the logically first place i should
look is actually the last place. funny how trying to get help from
"mentors" ends up being a trial...... hmmm...food for thought?
probably not for at least a few. thanx for sticking up for me-it shows
you use your brain more than your knee-jerk like some.
SO-still no one with a resource? i guess it'll be a few eeks.
thanx
john.b...@gmail.com
http://www.braindumps.org/
good luck!