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Why no roaming agreement with Sprint (Mich. coverage)?

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Ron Siegel

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Aug 12, 2001, 10:22:47 AM8/12/01
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I don't get it. I have Verizon here in the Detroit area. Verizon's digital
footprint goes as far west as approx. Ann Arbor, then goes into analog
roaming, so that if you drive I-94 west to Chicago, you have only analog
coverage. Sprint, however, is digital all along I-94. If Sprint is CDMA
1900, and if I have a trimode phone (Morotola v60), why can't we roam on
Sprint's system? Or is nothing more than Verizon not having a roaming
agreement with Sprint. And, if they don't have such a roaming agreement,
why not?


Al Klein

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Aug 12, 2001, 1:02:47 PM8/12/01
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On Sun, 12 Aug 2001 14:22:47 GMT, "Ron Siegel" <ro...@mediaone.net>
posted in alt.cellular.verizon:

>Or is nothing more than Verizon not having a roaming agreement with Sprint.

That's all it is.

>And, if they don't have such a roaming agreement, why not?

Financial reasons? Competition reasons? You'd really have to ask
whoever makes that decision.
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Al - rukbat at optonline dot net

-- ASD

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Aug 12, 2001, 3:48:44 PM8/12/01
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If Verizon owns analog liscences in the market, they probably also own
digital liscences in the market, or are certainly on their way to aquire it.
After that, it's just a matter of installing all the equipment (base station
upgrades, MSC upgrades) and the infrastructure (ss7, ip). Michigan is a
Nortel market, and with the sorry state of Nortel I'm not suprised it's not
going as fast as expected.

Long run, it will cost Verizon less to develop the market into digital
then it would be to come to terms with Sprint on a roaming agreement. That
savings will be felt by the end user at some point.... (probably lower
LD/minute).


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Steven C. Den Beste

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Aug 12, 2001, 4:58:50 PM8/12/01
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-- ASD informed us of the following:

> If Verizon owns analog liscences in the market, they probably also own
>digital liscences in the market, or are certainly on their way to aquire it.
>After that, it's just a matter of installing all the equipment (base station
>upgrades, MSC upgrades) and the infrastructure (ss7, ip). Michigan is a
>Nortel market, and with the sorry state of Nortel I'm not suprised it's not
>going as fast as expected.

There aren't distinct "analog licenses" and "digital licenses". There are
just spectrum licenses. It happens to be the case that AMPS is only used at
800 MHz, but if a company has an 800 MHz license they can convert part or
all of their spectrum to either IS-95 or IS-136 without further permission
from the FCC. All they have to do is spend the money and install the
equipment.
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Justa Lurker

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Aug 12, 2001, 6:28:47 PM8/12/01
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It was Sun, 12 Aug 2001 15:48:44 -0400, and "-- ASD"
<a...@shockwavemedia.net> wrote in alt.cellular.verizon:

| If Verizon owns analog liscences in the market, they probably
| also own digital liscences in the market, or are certainly on
| their way to aquire it.

Spectrum licenses, not technology licenses. And Verizon does
not have licenses along the I94 corrodor that Ron is complaining
about.

| Michigan is a Nortel market, and with the sorry state of Nortel
| I'm not suprised it's not going as fast as expected.

The cell licenses for the corrodor in question are held by
"A" Centennial Wireless and "B" CenturyTel. Verizon has chosen
to sign a roaming agreement with CenturyTel and has even placed
CenturyTel's SIDs in the PRL ... which means with 50011 you will
be using CenturyTel service in that corrodor regardless of other
service providers. CenturyTel and Centennial are TDMA where they
are digital, which puts a squash on CDMA coverage for Verizon.

I'd like to see the license for Nortel service. Nextel offers
cellular roaming in the area, but no Nortel license on the books.

| Long run, it will cost Verizon less to develop the market into
| digital then it would be to come to terms with Sprint on a
| roaming agreement.

Verizon would need the all important spectrum license first. They
may be able to talk CenturyTel in to putting up a CDMA (unlikely)
or they might buy some 1900mhz band spectrum.

For now they have a roaming agreement for the area. It is with a
company that gives them a good trade. Sprint most likely would
want an arm and a leg for filling that gap, as they directly
compete with Verizon on both ends of the corrodor. CenturyTel
only competes with Verizon to the north and probably is getting
a good deal in Northern Indiana and Chicago on roaming minutes.
(Not that they would pass that on.)

JL

Dave

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Aug 13, 2001, 9:26:15 AM8/13/01
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Not all, FCC requires 800MHZ AMPS coverage. A provider might have some
800MHZ digital only towers, but they can not reduce the area of the AMPS
coverage.

Also, it would not be wise to do all, with AMPS all services could roam on
your system. You can collect from other providers for providing roaming
for them.

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