VX4400 and USB cable - Help with drivers!
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cable at Radio Shack but cannot get any drivers to work. I have XP on
laptop and Win 2K on desktop. Any suggestions?
Thanks,
Steve
Peter Pan
"www.ttdown.com" <ihav...@home.com> wrote in message
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Take the cable back and get a refund. The verizon mobile office kit due out
in a week or so has the correct ones.
Peter Pan
4400B. Most places sell the 4400B now but call it just a 4400. While that
is an excellent reference for the older 4400, it's isn't quite right for the
"B" or the one that is being sold nowadays.
"Mark W. McClure" <mrkmc...@excite.com> wrote in message
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>
> Read the FAQ and then see if you have any questions...
> http://www.rogerbinns.com/vx4400/vx4400faq.html
> -----------------------------------------------------
> Mark W. McClure
> mrkmc...@excite.com
MJL
>That seems to be where a lot of confusion comes about. There is a 4400 and a
>4400B. Most places sell the 4400B now but call it just a 4400. While that
>is an excellent reference for the older 4400, it's isn't quite right for the
>"B" or the one that is being sold nowadays.
I have a 4400B that I got from Verizon last week, and the FutureDial straight
USB cable with FutureDial drivers and BitPim have been working just fine for
me on Windows 2000.
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>That seems to be where a lot of confusion comes about. There is a 4400 and a
>4400B. Most places sell the 4400B now but call it just a 4400. While that
>is an excellent reference for the older 4400, it's isn't quite right for the
>"B" or the one that is being sold nowadays.
This is incorrect, as far as I know. I believe the 4400B is basically
just a 4400 with a blue outer case and v10 firmware, unless someone
else has some other information...
Mike
Roger Binns
> That seems to be where a lot of confusion comes about. There is a 4400 and a
> 4400B. Most places sell the 4400B now but call it just a 4400. While that
> is an excellent reference for the older 4400, it's isn't quite right for the
> "B" or the one that is being sold nowadays.
The ONLY difference between the 4400 and the 4400B is the colour of the
plastic casing.
Roger
Peter Pan
"Mike" <inund...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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For a start Try LG Electronics
Phonescoop
Verizon itself (they have both the 4400 and 4400B and tech specs for both)
By the way the case itself isn't a different color, it's just the sticky
plastic sheet on the front to protect it in shipping. The 4400 sheet is
clear, and the b has a blue tinted sheet stuck on it. If someone pulls it
off theres no easy way to tell the difference externally.between the two.
Peter Pan
"Roger Binns" <rog...@rogerbinns.com> wrote in message
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Sorry, you are absolutely positively dead wrong about that, and the casing
is the same color, it's just a stick on plastic shipping/protective sheet
that is clear or lightly tinted blue.
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>For a start Try LG Electronics
>Phonescoop
>Verizon itself (they have both the 4400 and 4400B and tech specs for both)
You are utterly, completely wrong. For one, LG's U.S. Web site, and
PhoneScoop, do not even list the 4400B version!!
Perhaps you're thinking of the not-yet-out 4500?
The 4400B is electronically identical, and physically identical except
for the blue cover, to the 4400. Period.
>By the way the case itself isn't a different color, it's just the sticky
>plastic sheet on the front to protect it in shipping. The 4400 sheet is
>clear, and the b has a blue tinted sheet stuck on it. If someone pulls it
>off theres no easy way to tell the difference externally.between the two.
I've seen the 4400B in the VZW store. The part of the case with the
blue is NOT a plastic protective sheet, it's hard plastic.
How are you getting this incorrect information?
Mike
Peter Pan
Good question, how are YOU getting all this incorrect information? I happen
to work as a tech at a store.
Only Verizon has separate entries for the 4400 and 4400B, the others just
have the tech specs etc for just the current one.
They even sell separate Mobile office kits with different drivers for the
4400 and the 4400B (one won't always work on the other). I work as a tech at
a verizon place, you wouldn't believe how many people got the b's for xmas
and tried to use them with the futuredial cables for the 4400, and don't
understand why they don't work when the (non verizon) website says they
should, or someone on a NG said they should. Your assuming that both are the
same is as silly as assuming a 1991 Mazda Miata is exactly the same as a
2004 Mazda Miata because they have the same model name, but different paint
colors. They may look the same, but they have different
engines/trannies/tires etc.
ModernMiko
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Wrong. I have a 4400 and 4400B and there is *definitely* a difference
between the two casings. There are also some slight differences between the
two on the inside flip (chrome vs. non-chrome around the inner LCD e.g.).
--
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ModernMiko
Nope. Wrong. Have both. Sticky on LCD/phone is off and guess what? The case
around the outer LCD is a dark blue.
Peter Pan
"ModernMiko" <moder...@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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That's a retaining ring (rectangle) that hold it in, not the case itself.
They are seperate pieces.
ModernMiko
> They are seperate pieces.
>
As it is something permanent (or for all intents and purposes permanent) and
not changeable like some other phone faceplates, I think it is fair to call
it part of the case. Roger, what's your opinion on this? Anyone else besides
Peter Pan want to weigh in?
Roger Binns
>> plastic casing.
> is the same color, it's just a stick on plastic shipping/protective sheet
> that is clear or lightly tinted blue.
Ok, since you seem to know the important details on how they changed the
internals of the phone, please tell us about it.
Roger
Mike
The 4400B has been out for roughly 2 months, and you are the very
first person who claims it is a different electronic animal than the
4400. In fact, SEVERAL people reported here that they bought the
4400B and checked for version...and it was generally v10 of the 4400
software, with some scattered v10's.
Furthermore, despite your claims that many couldn't get the data
cables to work with the 4400B...many here DID. (Your mention of the
FutureDial cable leads me to believe you work at a Radio Shack, and
not at a VZW store...could mean all the difference in the world.)
It's now up to you to explain WHAT differences there are...since
you're basically the only person anywhere saying there are
differences!
Mike
Peter Pan
Real simple, the 4400B comes with v9 or 10 of the firmware, the older 4400's
don't. Many of the accessories require a certain version of the firmware,
the older ones don't have it automatically and you have to have it flashed
to upgrade it. If the 4400 and 4400B were exactly the same inside, then they
would have the exactly the same software.
The only reason for the mention of futuredial is that a lot of people have
them, their website specifically says v9 or more of the firmware, and there
are certain things that only mobile office can do that futurdial
cables/software/drivers don't (MO sets flags in the drivers and FD doesn't).
Roger Binns
I think it is a pointless argument. Everybody agrees that the
4400 and 4400B are cosmetically different. They can't agree
on what to call the parts, but who cares about terminology.
Noone has listed a single difference in terms of the electronics
inside. Quite simply they would have to go through FCC certification
again if they had changed things. Look for the FCC id in the battery
area. It is BEJTM540 - there have been no updates or new
certifications in the FCC database.
As for USB cables not working - the 4400 and the 4400B have
exactly the same issue with their USB implementation. The
drivers from FutureDial don't work around the problem.
Roger
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>Real simple, the 4400B comes with v9 or 10 of the firmware, the older 4400's
>don't.
Umm, that doesn't make the 4400B a different phone...it makes it a
4400 with newer firmware!
Do some Google searches of this newsgroup, or do some searches over at
HowardForums. You'll see people did actually get 4400Bs, especially
early on, with v8 of the 4400 software. Does that make the B not a
4400B? Does having v10 on my 4400 make it a "B"?
And if v8 or v10 is the difference, why do my accessories work now
just as they did when I had **v6**?
A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, my friend...and you're
proving that with each message.
> Many of the accessories require a certain version of the firmware,
>the older ones don't have it automatically and you have to have it flashed
>to upgrade it. If the 4400 and 4400B were exactly the same inside, then they
>would have the exactly the same software.
See above for the refute to that. And which "accessories" do you
mean? I have had the EXACT SAME ACCESSORIES on my 4400 between the
production v6 version and the flashed v10. They worked then, they
worked now.
>The only reason for the mention of futuredial is that a lot of people have
>them, their website specifically says v9 or more of the firmware, and there
>are certain things that only mobile office can do that futurdial
>cables/software/drivers don't (MO sets flags in the drivers and FD doesn't).
As Roger Binns pointed out to you, this is not endemic to the v10
software.
And frankly, I'd trust the man who developed BitPim for the 4400 over
someone who works at a Radio Shack somewhere. (No offense to RS folks
like Steve in VA, who seems to know what he's talking about.) I'm
thinking perhaps Roger Binns knows more about the inner workings of
the 4400 vs. you.
Mike
Peter Pan
Never said he was wrong, and use his web page faq on the 4400 all the time.
Just have seen a lot of problems with Bitpim/drivers/cables etc that people
get cause the MO kit isn't out for the 4400B yet. (they want it now, so they
get what his page says for a 4400 and then bitch when it doesn't work
right).
Sorry to disappoint you but I own a computer repair/cellphone repair store.
Not a friggen Radio Shack, and I'm getting sick and tired of you being such
an asshole and keep accusing me of being one of those stupid radio shack
jerks. That's the 2nd time you have said that. I'm glad all your accessories
work for you, I have just personally seen an awful lot of people that come
in with old phone/old firmware, bought a new accessory that doesn't work,
but have never updated the firmware. If the firmware is exactly the same,
then it shouldn't need updating, after all you keep saying they are exactly
the same, you must think the firmware doesn't matter.
David S
life, the universe, and everything:
>Real simple, the 4400B comes with v9 or 10 of the firmware, the older 4400's
>don't. Many of the accessories require a certain version of the firmware,
>the older ones don't have it automatically and you have to have it flashed
>to upgrade it. If the 4400 and 4400B were exactly the same inside, then they
>would have the exactly the same software.
You've been making some real bullshit arguments in this group lately, but
this is the bullshittiest of all.
The 4400Bs come with v10 because it happened to be the current version at
the time of production. My 4400 was made with v06; that did not make it a
different model than phones made with v04 or v08.
If you had bought a new computer in 1998 with the original Windows 98 on
it, then a month later bought another of the exact same computer, only with
one character different in the model number because the monitor had a black
case instead of a white one, but it was loaded with Win 98SE, would you say
it was an entirely NEW model of computer?
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David S
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation of
life, the universe, and everything:
>The only reason for the mention of futuredial is that a lot of people have
>them, their website specifically says v9 or more of the firmware, and there
This would seem to imply (while keeping all of Pee Pee's other b.s. fully
in mind) that v09 (which I've never heard of anyone actually having)
corrected whatever the problem is with the Futuredial USB cable/driver.
Roger, can you positively either confirm or refute this?
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Roger Binns
> the time of production. My 4400 was made with v06; that did not make it a
> different model than phones made with v04 or v08.
You got the point exactly! Mine came with 04.
If it has a different FCC ID, then it is a different phone. Simple as that.
Peter Pan, kindly post the FCC ID from your magically different phone.
Roger
Roger Binns
> in mind) that v09 (which I've never heard of anyone actually having)
> corrected whatever the problem is with the Futuredial USB cable/driver.
>
> Roger, can you positively either confirm or refute this?
I am only on V08 so I haven't tried it myself. To my knowledge the odd numbered
firmware is for USCC, not Verizon. I certainly believe the USB issue can be worked
around in the firmware. Once I have the update I will confirm.
Roger
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>Never said he was wrong, and use his web page faq on the 4400 all the time.
>Just have seen a lot of problems with Bitpim/drivers/cables etc that people
>get cause the MO kit isn't out for the 4400B yet. (they want it now, so they
>get what his page says for a 4400 and then bitch when it doesn't work
>right).
There is, and will be, no separate Mobile Office Kit for the 4400B.
There is no need for one, for electronically, the 4400B is the same
phone as a 4400 with the updated firmware (v10), which I have and use
frequently with the "regular" Mobile Office Kit for the 4400.
>Sorry to disappoint you but I own a computer repair/cellphone repair store.
>Not a friggen Radio Shack, and I'm getting sick and tired of you being such
>an asshole and keep accusing me of being one of those stupid radio shack
>jerks. That's the 2nd time you have said that.
Radio Shack, as you note, has a reputation for uneven sales help.
Steve Crow, on this newsgroup, is one of the very few RS folks who
actually has an idea of what he's talking about.
You've been spouting such misinformation on this thread, you're
starting to make the average RS sales droid sound experienced!
>I'm glad all your accessories
>work for you, I have just personally seen an awful lot of people that come
>in with old phone/old firmware, bought a new accessory that doesn't work,
>but have never updated the firmware. If the firmware is exactly the same,
>then it shouldn't need updating, after all you keep saying they are exactly
>the same, you must think the firmware doesn't matter.
You're misreading everything I've said.
What I am saying is this: The 4400B with v10 firmware is the SAME
PHONE electronically as the 4400 non-B with the same firmware. Roger
Binns has even noted that if it was a different phone, the 4400B would
require a new FCC certification, which IT DOES NOT HAVE. The 4500
DOES (see PhoneScoop), because it IS a different phone. You don't
have to get the FCC involved if you change the color of the case, but
you DO have to get them involved if you change the workings.
Can you find an FCC registration number for the 4400B that is not the
same as the 4400? If you find and post it, I'll concede your point.
But your only "evidence" right now has been people coming into your
store with non-working data cables on the B. That's anecdotal... not
factual.
You've got half the newsgroup telling you you're wrong, but you
haven't provided any FACTUAL EVIDENCE that you're right.
Mike
Peter Pan
Sorry, I don't buy that, and could care less about an fcc id (what does that
have to do with a version anyway?). By you deluded thinking, then if a tv
for example was given the same number, it would be the same? Or Windows 3.1
is the same as windows XP? I think your logic is faulty. If the
software/microcode/firmware (whatever you want to call it) is DIFFERENT,
then it is different, and not the same.
Peter Pan
Look who's talking and spouting lies every time his fingers get near a
keyboard. Do you agree or disagree that different firmware versions work
differently, cause you claim that they are all exactly the same. And a hint
here, you do NOT have to get the FCC involved if you change the firmware but
you can totally change the way the phone works by changing firmware.
Jesse McGrew
> Sorry, I don't buy that, and could care less about an fcc id (what does that
> have to do with a version anyway?). By you deluded thinking, then if a tv
> for example was given the same number, it would be the same? Or Windows 3.1
> is the same as windows XP? I think your logic is faulty. If the
> software/microcode/firmware (whatever you want to call it) is DIFFERENT,
> then it is different, and not the same.
The firmware is upgradeable and has always been different in newer
models as it became available. If you bought a 4400 and it had v6, then
you bought another 4400 a few months later and it had v8, they are still
the same model. They were both loaded with the newest software available
at the time, and you can upgrade the older one to match the newer one.
Think about the PRL, which is another upgradeable part of the software
(one you can upgrade over the air). If your phone came with PRL version
50010, and you upgrade it to 50025 by calling *228, is your phone
suddenly a different model? Of course not.
Jesse
Peter Pan
"Jesse McGrew" <jmc...@hanshorseprestigepelican.com.remove.animals> wrote
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So what's your point? I never said it was a different model, fcc # etc. Heck
even the manufacturer doesn't call it a different model, only verizon does.
If you get what Verizon calls a 4400B than you use a different MO and
different drivers. The person starting this thread asked for help with
drivers. He never said what version of firmware he was using, or what
software he was using. There are different drivers for less than version 9
and other ones for greater than version 9, and different versions of Mobile
Office for version less than 9 and versions greater then 9. Since he said he
got it from Verizon, I asked if he had just the 4400 or the 4400B since the
drivers are different.
I'll think about PRL's if you think about computers. Same fcc id, same
model, but you can put say windows or unix in flashmemory. Knowing which OS
would be handy to know which programs work and which don't work, and even if
you can find a program that runs on both, the drivers work differently.
Jesse McGrew
> So what's your point? I never said it was a different model, fcc # etc. Heck
> even the manufacturer doesn't call it a different model, only verizon does.
> If you get what Verizon calls a 4400B than you use a different MO and
> different drivers. The person starting this thread asked for help with
> drivers. He never said what version of firmware he was using, or what
> software he was using. There are different drivers for less than version 9
> and other ones for greater than version 9, and different versions of Mobile
> Office for version less than 9 and versions greater then 9. Since he said he
> got it from Verizon, I asked if he had just the 4400 or the 4400B since the
> drivers are different.
Well, others have said that the same cable and drivers can be used on
version 6-8 and version 10. (I hope they're right, because my 4400 is v6
and I'm going to get it flashed to v10.)
Jesse
Peter Pan
"Jesse McGrew" <jmc...@hanshorseprestigepelican.com.remove.animals> wrote
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Of course you can use the same cable and drivers for what you did before.
It's only with certain cables/drivers if you try and do new things that are
possible now with the update, that problems happen. The usual scenario is
something like when you upgrade to V10, the 1x system can be used for things
like GIN, if you already have or add 1x to your account, and try and use it
for data, that's when problems can occur. Most people that come in for
problems, see the change in icons when sending/receiving data and figure oh
wow... I'm gonna try high speed connections now, that's when problems seem
to occur. If you don't try using new things, you should have no problems.
JDC
VX1, not the the usb cable for the 4400. The 4400 straight usb cable will
work with a lot of rebooting but is not reliable. There is a bug in the
4400's software that causes this problem. The serial digital cable for the
VX1 works just fine.
Download the drivers off of the Future Dial site. Roger Binn's 4400 FAQ
mentioned in an earlier part opf this thread details the process well. I
followed it and have no problems using bitpim, which is a free piece of
software available off the yahoo 4400 group in their files section.
You don't need the Motorola mobile office kit.
By the way, I did all this with the 4400B.
"ModernMiko" <moder...@NOverizon.net> wrote in message
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Slope
with the FutureDial straight USB cable. There is some issue with
reading the phone book. However, you can use FutureDial's USB/Serial
cable designed for the VX1 (Part number 170-0783), FutureDial's
drivers, and BitPim. It works like a charm!!
Steve
On Fri, 02 Jan 2004 01:18:59 GMT, www.ttdown.com <ihav...@home.com>
wrote:
>I have a VX4400 with S/W version 10. I purchased the FutureDial USB
>cable at Radio Shack but cannot get any drivers to work. I have XP on
>laptop and Win 2K on desktop. Any suggestions?
>
>Thanks,
>Steve
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>I'll think about PRL's if you think about computers. Same fcc id, same
>model, but you can put say windows or unix in flashmemory. Knowing which OS
>would be handy to know which programs work and which don't work, and even if
>you can find a program that runs on both, the drivers work differently.
This is your problem in a nutshell.
You emphatically stated that the 4400B was "a different phone" and
that it did not work with certain cables or drivers.
The problem is this: The 4400B is no different from the 4400. There
may or may not be problems with updated firmware, but the 4400B with
v10 firmware is THE EXACT SAME PHONE as my 4400 (non-B) with v10
firmware. It's not the "B", it's the firmware, if there is a problem
at all!
And as I've noted more than once, I am using the "4400" Mobile Office
Kit, the original version, out before the B hit stores, with NO
PROBLEM AT ALL on my 4400 with v10. Once again, my 4400 with v10 is
the EXACT SAME PHONE as a 4400B with v10. I used this combination
DAILY for hours a day when waiting for my cable modem to be installed.
I'm also using the FutureDial USB-to-Serial cable (the one meant for
the VX1/10) on my 4400 with v10 and have no problems. I don't know
anything about the "straight" FutureDial USB cable.
Once again with feeling:
4400B with v10 = 4400 with v10
And this is a very important point - there were reports, early on, of
people who got 4400B's with v8. The v10 is only endemic to the 4400B
in that it's the most recent firmware version when/shortly after the
phone came out.
Mike
Roger Binns
> and other ones for greater than version 9, and different versions of Mobile
> Office for version less than 9 and versions greater then 9. Since he said he
> got it from Verizon, I asked if he had just the 4400 or the 4400B since the
> drivers are different.
That is founded on a misinterpretation. I can believe they did some USB stuff in
the firmware update to v10. I don't have it yet, so I can't confirm behavioural
differences yet. I would also expect that if someone had some software that
depended on a bug fix in the firmware, then they would say they need the newer
version of the firmware.
Now if you get a 4400B, you know that it has at least v10. 4400 have 04 or
above depending on when they were purchased, and if the owner took them in
for an update. It can also take quite a long for the Verizon stores to get
the updates (up to several months after the initial release).
As for different drivers, which company are you on about? The VX4400 and
the VX6000 use exactly the same USB vendor and product ids. The first
two USB interfaces are a standard AT command protocol. The third interface
is a trivial bulk data one. There isn't any work there that differs from
boilerplate.
LG used to get their drivers written by MCCI. They then brought them in-house.
You can get those drivers in the Mobile Office Kit and they work around the
4400 USB issue.
FutureDial picked up the original MCCI drivers, but they do not work around the USB
issue, and FutureDial did not get them updated.
I haven't analysed anyone elses drivers.
The phonebook protocol and data layout is also identical on the 4400 and 6000.
There is basically no need for LG or the MOB to have new drivers, since the
existinging ones work with ANY revision of the phone firmware.
If there has been a fix in the firmware v10 that alleviates the USB issue,
then I can see FutureDial claiming to support the 4400B only. That way
they don't have to worry about firmware, and most users of the 4400 will
already have picked a cable and software solution. It gets rid of support
calls/issues by only claiming to support the 4400B.
Roger
David S
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> chose to add this to the great equation of
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>"Mike" <inund...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
>Look who's talking and spouting lies every time his fingers get near a
>keyboard. Do you agree or disagree that different firmware versions work
>differently, cause you claim that they are all exactly the same. And a hint
No one disagrees that different firmware versions work differently. We do
disagree that a 4400B is a different phone than the 4400 just because it
comes from the factory with v10 in it.
What we're saying is, **a 4400 flashed with v10 works exactly the same as a
4400B that shipped with v10**. In your mind, is that a true statement, yes
or no?
>here, you do NOT have to get the FCC involved if you change the firmware but
>you can totally change the way the phone works by changing firmware.
I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if they have to send it in to the
FCC for review.
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David S
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>"Jesse McGrew" <jmc...@hanshorseprestigepelican.com.remove.animals> wrote
>in message news:3ff78de1$0$18421$a32e...@news.nntpservers.com...
>> Peter Pan wrote:
>>
>> > Sorry, I don't buy that, and could care less about an fcc id (what does
>that
>> > have to do with a version anyway?). By you deluded thinking, then if a
>tv
>> > for example was given the same number, it would be the same? Or Windows
>3.1
>> > is the same as windows XP? I think your logic is faulty. If the
>> > software/microcode/firmware (whatever you want to call it) is DIFFERENT,
>> > then it is different, and not the same.
>>
>> The firmware is upgradeable and has always been different in newer
>> models as it became available. If you bought a 4400 and it had v6, then
>> you bought another 4400 a few months later and it had v8, they are still
>> the same model. They were both loaded with the newest software available
>> at the time, and you can upgrade the older one to match the newer one.
>>
>> Think about the PRL, which is another upgradeable part of the software
>> (one you can upgrade over the air). If your phone came with PRL version
>> 50010, and you upgrade it to 50025 by calling *228, is your phone
>> suddenly a different model? Of course not.
>
>So what's your point? I never said it was a different model, fcc # etc. Heck
>even the manufacturer doesn't call it a different model, only verizon does.
>If you get what Verizon calls a 4400B than you use a different MO and
>different drivers. The person starting this thread asked for help with
>drivers. He never said what version of firmware he was using, or what
>software he was using. There are different drivers for less than version 9
>and other ones for greater than version 9, and different versions of Mobile
>Office for version less than 9 and versions greater then 9. Since he said he
>got it from Verizon, I asked if he had just the 4400 or the 4400B since the
>drivers are different.
Let's review. Here is your first post (the third overall) in this thread:
>That seems to be where a lot of confusion comes about. There is a 4400 and a
>4400B. Most places sell the 4400B now but call it just a 4400. While that
>is an excellent reference for the older 4400, it's isn't quite right for the
>"B" or the one that is being sold nowadays.
>
>"Mark W. McClure" <mrkmc...@excite.com> wrote in message
>news:8hk9vvg8udc9llars...@4ax.com...
>>
>> Read the FAQ and then see if you have any questions...
>> http://www.rogerbinns.com/vx4400/vx4400faq.html
>>
>> www.ttdown.com <ihav...@home.com> wrote:
>>
>> >I have a VX4400 with S/W version 10. I purchased the FutureDial USB
>> >cable at Radio Shack but cannot get any drivers to work. I have XP on
>> >laptop and Win 2K on desktop. Any suggestions?
So we can see that the OP *did* in fact say what version he was using, and
you never asked him anything. You just came out and said Roger's faq is
wrong for the 4400B. While the section on Futuredial drivers may be
outdated now (and that is something that is still up in the air, AFAIAC),
you sound like the whole web page is worthless for a B owner. My own very
brief experience showed no problem with the USB cable; someone else said
they did have a problem.
Now, if someone called your shop and said the drivers didn't work on his
4400 and you asked him if was a B or not and he said no, presumably you
would tell him something different than if he said yes. But that is a
stupid question to ask him because it ignores the possibilities that A: he
has a 4400 that's been upgraded to v10, or B: he has one of those very
first 4400Bs that shipped with v08. Get a lot of repeat business, do you?
>I'll think about PRL's if you think about computers. Same fcc id, same
>model, but you can put say windows or unix in flashmemory. Knowing which OS
>would be handy to know which programs work and which don't work, and even if
>you can find a program that runs on both, the drivers work differently.
Which is why tech support always asks for your OS and its version. If I
were to wipe my hard drive tomorrow and install Unix, the fact that I have
a Powerspec 8250 with a Pentium 4 at 1.4 Mhz would still be just as true as
it is now. Sure, it would work differently, but it would be the same
hardware.
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"David S" <dwstr...@att.net> wrote in message
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>
> No one disagrees that different firmware versions work differently. We do
> disagree that a 4400B is a different phone than the 4400 just because it
> comes from the factory with v10 in it.
>
> What we're saying is, **a 4400 flashed with v10 works exactly the same as
a
> 4400B that shipped with v10**. In your mind, is that a true statement, yes
> or no?
>
Of course it does, but both are listed on the verizon site separately, the
options are (slightly) different on those pages, most people that we see
don't bother to upgrade their firmware (they just get something at RS/from a
friend/or download things off the web) and expect them to work, and in our
parts catalog the accessories have different order numbers. The service
problem usually comes about when someone has an old 4400 or a new 4400B and
tries to use 3rd party cables/software as if it was a 4400, and many don't
bother to upgrade the firmware on old phones..
Like I said, most things work fine, heck people don't bring it in for
service unless something doesn't work, and Roger even posted the following:
<start Paste>
LG used to get their drivers written by MCCI. They then brought them
in-house.
You can get those drivers in the Mobile Office Kit and they work around the
4400 USB issue.
FutureDial picked up the original MCCI drivers, but they do not work around
the USB
issue, and FutureDial did not get them updated.
<end paste>
You will notice above that if you have the mobile office kit it works
correctly, but not always if you have 3rd party stuff. Since the MO kit for
the 4400B isn't readily available yet, many people we see have 3rd party
stuff.
The original poster had asked about the "4400 and USB cable - Help with
drivers". I had asked if it was a 4400 or 4400B, if a 4400 then there are
mobile office kits readily available, if a 4400B they won't generally be
available until next week. If in a hurry he could get 3rd party things, but
they may not work exactly like the mobile office kit in some situations.
Back to your statement, why does the Verizon web page (go to
http://www.verizonwireless.com click on products, then accessories, a menu
appears and under LG, in the drop down box, they list both the VX4400 and
the VX4400B, if you select one or the other, different accessories are
shown.) show them and have separate options unless they consider them
different?.
Mike
<Marcs11...@Hotmail.com> wrote:
>The original poster had asked about the "4400 and USB cable - Help with
>drivers". I had asked if it was a 4400 or 4400B, if a 4400 then there are
>mobile office kits readily available, if a 4400B they won't generally be
>available until next week. If in a hurry he could get 3rd party things, but
>they may not work exactly like the mobile office kit in some situations.
Man, are you dense!!!!
Let's walk through this again. Slowly, since you seem to need it:
* THERE IS OR WILL BE NO VZW MOBILE OFFICE KIT SPECIFICALLY DESIGNED
FOR THE 4400B!
You are ignoring one very important fact, which we've told you roughly
20 times now.
A) There are 4400s with flashed v10 software, mine included. I don't
know how many folks have done it, but I'd imagine there's at least a
few if folks were having firmware issues (i.e. the pre-v8 tendency to
bounce back and forth between digital and analog signals). If they
had, say, a v6 and wanted to fix these issues, THEY WOULD GET v10, not
v8, since v10 is the current version! Bingo... you've got a 4400
non-B owner with the latest firmware.
B) As noted here at least three times, early 4400B's shipped with v8.
Does that make them a "different phone" from the 4400B's which ship
with v10? The "B" is only shipping with different firmware because
THAT IS THE CURRENT VERSION OF THE 4400 FIRMWARE! If you'd started
this thread with "hey, there could be some third party USB driver
problems with the latest 4400's, including Bs and those with v10
firmware", you'd have been correct (assuming such an issue exists) and
we wouldn't have "piled on you". But no...they're "different phones".
You're too hung up on the "B"!
C) Again, this assumes there is even such an issue attached to the v10
firmware which resides in most 4400B's, and in 4400's like mine which
have been flashed. If you're talking about the FutureDial straight
USB cable, I can't help there. But I have the FutureDial
USB-to-serial cable and the "old" Mobile Office Kit for the 4400,
working fine on my v10 4400. Since it is ELECTRONICALLY IDENTICAL to
the 4400B's with v10, there should be NO problem with these two items
working on the 4400B's with v10 and there should be NO reason to
"update" the MOK. But that's an issue I'll leave to Roger. Even if
there IS a reason re: v10...it affects both 4400's and B's with v10.
Period.
The big point here is (man, I feel like I'm talking to a wall here):
If there are issues re: MOK, it's a v10 issue, not a B issue. And the
presence of 4400B's with v8 early in the production cycle would
indicate to me that VZW only intended to put out the B for cosmetic
reasons. If they were still making non-B's, they'd have v10, too!
>Back to your statement, why does the Verizon web page (go to
>http://www.verizonwireless.com click on products, then accessories, a menu
>appears and under LG, in the drop down box, they list both the VX4400 and
>the VX4400B, if you select one or the other, different accessories are
>shown.) show them and have separate options unless they consider them
>different?.
I haven't compared each accessory on each page, but it appears we're
talking the same accessories in different order on the page! And
they'll all work on each phone. For one, all the headsets have 2.5mm
jacks, and will work on any phone with a 2.5mm jack, including both
the 4400 and the B!
And not even THIS statement from the 4400B's description on the VZW
Web site will convince you that the change in the B was cosmetic:
"Introduce yourself to the new VX4400B from LG. You'll find the same
mix of impressive features and functions as the popular VX4400, but
with a fresh new look."
::sigh::
I give up. Nothing I can say will convince you. Nothing Roger Binns
says will convince you. You win! It's a different phone! Entirely
different! We're all wrong!
Goodbye!
Mike