Requiring area code on calls when not on home SID
Diamond Dave
they sell their phones: All people making calls from their cell phones
SHOULD dial all 10 digits, regardless if they can make a call with 7
digits. This would avoid confusion - as stated below.
I live near the border of two VZW SIDs (0018 - Wash DC metro and 0170 -
Richmond, VA/Hampton Roads, VA metro).
I also live near several area code boundaries (540 with 804, 434 and
703/571)
I've seen two potential problems when you do NOT dial calls as 10 digits
all the time, and can cause confusion for those who don't know how the
system works.
1. If you are in an area that is not your home area code that is in the
same SID as yours, some people mistakenly think that you can make calls
there as 7 digits, and the cell system would work like a landline phone
in that area (except in overlay situations) and know the proper area
code. I have heard of people making calls in nearby 703 area code, but
only dialed it as 7 digits, yet their cell phone has a 540 number. The
VZW network assumes since you dialed a call with 7 digits, that the
phone number has the SAME area code as your phone (in this case, 540).
So the call does not go through, or goes to a wrong number.
2. If you cross over from your home SID to another SID (native VZW,
Extended Network or Roaming), you must dial the area code on all calls,
regardless of the area code your phone number is registered to, or the
area code of the number you are trying to call. You get a recording that
usually says "While roaming on our system, you must include the area
code". Yes, you are "roaming" on another system, but may or may not
incur roaming charges. This recording is misleading (VZW uses this one).
Even though the phone itself may correctly show the proper
home/extended/roaming information, the recording may mislead people to
think they're roaming and not to answer the phone or make calls in a
zone where they get that recording.
Just something that VZW sales, CS and resellers should stress to their
customers to avoid any potential problems.
Dave
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Quick
pretty creative to think that way (or have just enough
technical knowledge to make that mistake). I would
expect people to always think of things in relation to
their home. This is how I dial at home so this is how I
dial here.
Otherwise they must think that the phone somehow
knows what area code its in. Certainly possible but
if you think just a little bit farther you would have to
wonder how could the service provider expect *you*
to know what area code you are in?
Is this a fairly common problem?
-Quick
"Diamond Dave" <dmine45....@yahoo.com> wrote
Diamond Dave
seen it happen or heard about it happen, it could happen again. Just my
2 and 1/2 cents.
Dave
"Quick" <dhor...@NOSPAMcisco.com> wrote in article
<1047921790.834038@sj-nntpcache-5>:
> Interesting... I would assume one would have to get
> pretty creative to think that way (or have just enough
> technical knowledge to make that mistake). I would
> expect people to always think of things in relation to
> their home. This is how I dial at home so this is how I
> dial here.
>
> Otherwise they must think that the phone somehow
> knows what area code its in. Certainly possible but
> if you think just a little bit farther you would have to
> wonder how could the service provider expect *you*
> to know what area code you are in?
>
> Is this a fairly common problem?
>
> -Quick
Stanley Cline
(Diamond Dave) wrote:
>This is something that VZW and their resellers should emphasize when
>they sell their phones: All people making calls from their cell phones
>SHOULD dial all 10 digits, regardless if they can make a call with 7
>digits. This would avoid confusion - as stated below.
People around here (Atlanta) are used to dialing 10d for all calls
anyway so it's old hat to me and nearly everyone I know. :) (At
least one wireless carrier here, not VZW but one that I am still a
customer of, *still* allows 7d on local calls -- against FCC rules.)
>2. If you cross over from your home SID to another SID (native VZW,
>Extended Network or Roaming), you must dial the area code on all calls,
>regardless of the area code your phone number is registered to, or the
>area code of the number you are trying to call. You get a recording that
<snip>
Not on Commnet Wireless markets off their Yuma AZ switch :^p -- 7d
calls are allowed for roamers, and are treated as calls to the same
NPA as the cell site (e.g., in Mountain City TN, which is in NPA 423,
7d calls are treated as 423-xxx-xxxx), except in the Lake Isabella CA
area where they're treated as calls to 661-xxx-xxxx (Bakersfield and
most of the rest of Kern County) and not 760-xxx-xxxx (Lake Isabella.)
-SC
--
Stanley Cline -- sc1 at roamer1 dot org -- http://www.roamer1.org/
...
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Danny
for about 5 or 6 yrs now and my mother in philly,pa has been doing for
twice as long. Not to mention now we have overlays and I think she has 5
or 6 overlays. Talk about a mess out that way in philly! I just use my
cell because you never know what's Local or Local +
Later,
Dan
On Mon, 17 Mar 2003 14:22:52 -0000, dmine45....@yahoo.com (Diamond
Dave) wrote:
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Steven J. Sobol
> I thought everyone dial'd 10 digits? We've been doing it in northeast ohio
> for about 5 or 6 yrs now
It's permissive 10D dialing here. It's only required in 330 due to the
recent 330/234 overlay. Here in Cleveland, in 216 and 440, I can still
dial seven digits if I want. There are no overlays in Ohio except
330/234 and in those area codes it is mandatory 10D dialing.
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Geoff Brozny
by now, but they suspended the deployment of the new area code we were
suppose to get here by now..
geoff
"Danny" <dms76@sorrynomailhere_readbottommessage.com> wrote in message
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Steven J. Sobol
> In Columbus I still only have to dial 7 digits, was suppose to be 10 digit
> by now, but they suspended the deployment of the new area code we were
> suppose to get here by now..
Not 740. Perhaps another? 740 wasn't an overlay... Overlays are the
only situation where 10D is required.
Geoff Brozny
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote in message
news:slrnb7kke3....@amethyst.nstc.com...
> From Geoff Brozny (nos...@glorb.com):
> > In Columbus I still only have to dial 7 digits, was suppose to be 10
digit
> > by now, but they suspended the deployment of the new area code we were
> > suppose to get here by now..
>
> Not 740. Perhaps another? 740 wasn't an overlay... Overlays are the
> only situation where 10D is required.
740 is not columbus, only 614 is, 740 was a area code split, leaving all
the CO's in Franklin County with 614, and everything else with 740. I think
the new overlay is suppose to be 380. 419 also got overlayed with 567, so
419/567 and 330/234 are the only places in Ohio that require 10 digit
dialing... here is an area code map:
http://docs.nanpa.com/area_code_maps/display.shtml?oh
geoff
Steven J. Sobol
>> From Geoff Brozny (nos...@glorb.com):
>> > In Columbus I still only have to dial 7 digits, was suppose to be 10
> digit
>> > by now, but they suspended the deployment of the new area code we were
>> > suppose to get here by now..
>>
>> Not 740. Perhaps another? 740 wasn't an overlay... Overlays are the
>> only situation where 10D is required.
>
> 740 is not columbus, only 614 is
All of central and Southeast Ohio used to be 614 (that was my point :)
> the CO's in Franklin County with 614, and everything else with 740. I think
> the new overlay is suppose to be 380. 419 also got overlayed with 567, so
> 419/567 and 330/234 are the only places in Ohio that require 10 digit
> dialing... here is an area code map:
D'oh. I never spend any time in Toledo, and completely forgot about
419. Thanks. You are correct.
Geoff Brozny
"Steven J. Sobol" <sjs...@JustThe.net> wrote in message
> From Geoff Brozny (nos...@glorb.com):
>
> >> From Geoff Brozny (nos...@glorb.com):
> >> > In Columbus I still only have to dial 7 digits, was suppose to be 10
> > digit
> >> > by now, but they suspended the deployment of the new area code we
were
> >> > suppose to get here by now..
> >>
> >> Not 740. Perhaps another? 740 wasn't an overlay... Overlays are the
> >> only situation where 10D is required.
> >
> > 740 is not columbus, only 614 is
>
> All of central and Southeast Ohio used to be 614 (that was my point :)
all my bad for not getting your point until now, it's been a long day..
>
> > the CO's in Franklin County with 614, and everything else with 740. I
think
> > the new overlay is suppose to be 380. 419 also got overlayed with 567,
so
> > 419/567 and 330/234 are the only places in Ohio that require 10 digit
> > dialing... here is an area code map:
>
> D'oh. I never spend any time in Toledo, and completely forgot about
> 419. Thanks. You are correct.
I been doing alot of traviling around the state installing new printers at
the BMV locations, mainly in the cleveland/ akron area, so being in an area
where I can get away with dialing 7 digits, I often forget and dial 7 digits
wherever I am at, which is just bad.. But I guess one of these days everyone
will have to dial 10 digits regardless of where your at..
geoff