nokia lumia 928

[badgolferman]

My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

[Justin]

badgolferman wrote on [Wed, 15 May 2013 18:31:18 +0000 (UTC)]:
> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

You could order the wrong phone
you could forget to order it
you could order the wrong colour


Maybe she should order it herself so she doesn't regret relying on you

[Rod Speed]

badgolferman <REMOVETHISb...@gmail.com> wrote

> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

Its not going to have anything like the same choice
of apps as an iphone any time soon, if ever.

She may not care if she doesn’t need anything special apps wise.

And I have previously only bothered with Nokia phones,
and have just recently changed to an iphone, with no regrets.

[Alan Browne]

On 2013.05.15 14:31 , badgolferman wrote:
> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

Order her an iPhone 4S or 5 and just tell her it's the Nokia 928.


After all, if she'd dumb enough to ask you to do her bidding she's dumb
enough to believe you.


--
"A Canadian is someone who knows how to have sex in a canoe."
-Pierre Berton

[sms]

On 5/15/2013 11:31 AM, badgolferman wrote:
> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

Agree with whatever she wants despite the fact that it's a bad idea. You
might want to ask your travel agent what he or she thinks about it.

[News]

LOL; like asking a mainframe group what sort of PC to buy, circa 1983...

[JF Mezei]

On 13-05-15 16:09, Rod Speed wrote:

> Its not going to have anything like the same choice
> of apps as an iphone any time soon, if ever.

I concurr. The Windows Mobile ecosystem is very limited and it isn't
clear yet that it will survive.

Today, Google made some announcements for new software and feaures. They
will be available on Android and IOS. No Windows Mobile (or Blackberry).

In fairness, the Nokia mapping is fairly good since they have NavTeq.


Dont expect software upgrades on Windows phones. Nokia had promised
upgrades and at last minute decided not to provide them.

[Rod Speed]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote

> Rod Speed wrote

>> Its not going to have anything like the same choice
>> of apps as an iphone any time soon, if ever.

> I concurr. The Windows Mobile ecosystem is very
> limited and it isn't clear yet that it will survive.

It will be fascinating to watch.

MS has managed to come from WAY behind and end up
surviving fine in quite a few areas already, most obviously
with the PC, then with games consoles and with other stuff
like networking etc.

And has failed to survive in others too like unix particularly.

With it still unclear whether some others like search engines
whether it will survive or not.

> Today, Google made some announcements for new software and feaures.
> They will be available on Android and IOS. No Windows Mobile (or
> Blackberry).

Corse that could change if those platforms do get up enough head of steam.

> In fairness, the Nokia mapping is fairly good since they have NavTeq.

> Dont expect software upgrades on Windows phones. Nokia had
> promised upgrades and at last minute decided not to provide them.

That isnt necessarily cast in concrete tho.

[Alan Browne]

At about that time we received a demonstration from DEC on their new
personal computers for the office. They were showing various things
including a spreadsheet program. One of the corporate mainframers (IBM
370) sniffed, "we already offer spreadsheets under VM" as if that would
have us burn the DEC guy and add more accounts to VM. Right Wilbur.

(The co. was already implementing IBM PC's across the co., IIRC the DEC
presentation was a mercy event for the local sales guys. (Our division
operated PDP-11's and were about to buy a VAX)).

[Jeffrey Kaplan]

Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, JF Mezei said:

> I concurr. The Windows Mobile ecosystem is very limited and it isn't
> clear yet that it will survive.

Which, of course, is a self-fulfilling prophecy. If everyone waits to
see if it survives, there won't be enough takers to make it viable.

> Dont expect software upgrades on Windows phones. Nokia had promised
> upgrades and at last minute decided not to provide them.

I suspect that most people won't notice.

--
Jeffrey Kaplan www.gordol.org
Double ROT13 encoded for your protection

Peter's Top 100 Things I'd Do If I Ever Became An Evil Overlord, #51.
If one of my dungeon guards begins expressing concern over the
conditions in the beautiful princess' cell, I will immediately
transfer him to a less people-oriented position.

[Rod Speed]

Jeffrey Kaplan <nom...@gordol.org> wrote
> JF Mezei wrote

>> I concurr. The Windows Mobile ecosystem is very
>> limited and it isn't clear yet that it will survive.

> Which, of course, is a self-fulfilling prophecy.

No.

> If everyone waits to see if it survives,

That won't happen.

> there won't be enough takers to make it viable.

The number who don't wait to see that will likely
be enough for MS to continue with it given that
OSs are their main business and they have already
made it viable for smartphones.

>> Dont expect software upgrades on Windows phones. Nokia had
>> promised upgrades and at last minute decided not to provide them.

> I suspect that most people won't notice.

Yeah, me too. But I don't expect that will be true forever.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

On 5/15/2013 2:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.
>

Why does she think that she needs a new phone?

Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls. Just
about everything else is just "window dressing". EXPENSIVE WINDOW
DRESSING! If you can afford it and want a happy wife, invest some coins!

If you REALLY can't afford it, say so and stand your ground!

[Justin]

Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Fri, 17 May 2013 08:46:19 -0400]:
> On 5/15/2013 2:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.
>>
>
> Why does she think that she needs a new phone?
>
> Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls. Just
> about everything else is just "window dressing". EXPENSIVE WINDOW

Nope... A phone is a communications device. Many people rarely call anymore
and use things like email, SMS, mobile chat to communicate

[Rod Speed]

Richard B. Gilbert <rgilb...@comcast.net> wrote

> badgolferman wrote

>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

> Why does she think that she needs a new phone?

> Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls.

For many of us, phones have been about a lot more than that
for a long time now.

> Just about everything else is just "window dressing".

No, they provide useful stuff that we use.

> EXPENSIVE WINDOW DRESSING!

Not that expensive in fact.

> If you can afford it and want a happy wife, invest some coins!

> If you REALLY can't afford it, say so and stand your ground!

You don’t know that it isn't her money and her choice.

[nob...@nada.com]

Which explains a lot about the ability of people to comunicate with
any accuracy. How is a dozen texts back and forth make more sense than
one interective phone to to discuss an issue?

[Rod Speed]

<nob...@nada.com> wrote in message
news:jasdp8lvabl78efgd...@4ax.com...

> On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:23:46 +0000 (UTC), Justin
> <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>
>>Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Fri, 17 May 2013 08:46:19 -0400]:
>>> On 5/15/2013 2:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>>>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.
>>>>
>>>
>>> Why does she think that she needs a new phone?
>>>
>>> Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls. Just
>>> about everything else is just "window dressing". EXPENSIVE WINDOW
>>
>>Nope... A phone is a communications device. Many people rarely call
>>anymore
>>and use things like email, SMS, mobile chat to communicate

> Which explains a lot about the ability of people to comunicate with
> any accuracy.

No.

> How is a dozen texts back and forth

Hardly anyone does it like that.

> make more sense than one interective phone to to discuss an issue?

When you need what information you are moving like
the physical address etc in text form so you can refer to
it later with total accuracy when you need to use it.

The other massive advantage with those more recent
modes of communication is that they do not require
any action on the part of the other party at the time
the communication is happening.

[sms]

On 5/17/2013 8:12 PM, nob...@nada.com wrote:

> Which explains a lot about the ability of people to comunicate with
> any accuracy. How is a dozen texts back and forth make more sense than
> one interective phone to to discuss an issue?

OTOH, often there are benefits to a text or e-mail over a conversation.

[Rod Speed]

"Michelle Steiner" <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in message
news:michelle-9DF090...@news.eternal-september.org...
> In article <kn6t1s$18g$2...@dont-email.me>, sms <scharf...@geemail.com>

> Especially when both parties are hearing impaired.

And even when neither of them are on the accuracy question
with stuff like addresses and phone numbers etc.

[Justin]

depends what the issue is...

I can add a calendar invite with an address and time and send it to you
before that sort of information can be sent over voice correctly, and you
already have that info without transcription errors

just a single example

[nob...@nada.com]

On Sat, 18 May 2013 13:30:49 +1000, "Rod Speed"
<rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote:

>
>
><nob...@nada.com> wrote in message
>news:jasdp8lvabl78efgd...@4ax.com...
>> On Fri, 17 May 2013 13:23:46 +0000 (UTC), Justin
>> <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote:
>>
>>>Richard B. Gilbert wrote on [Fri, 17 May 2013 08:46:19 -0400]:
>>>> On 5/15/2013 2:31 PM, badgolferman wrote:
>>>>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>>>>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.
>>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Why does she think that she needs a new phone?
>>>>
>>>> Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls. Just
>>>> about everything else is just "window dressing". EXPENSIVE WINDOW
>>>
>>>Nope... A phone is a communications device. Many people rarely call
>>>anymore
>>>and use things like email, SMS, mobile chat to communicate
>
>> Which explains a lot about the ability of people to comunicate with
>> any accuracy.
>
>No.
>
>> How is a dozen texts back and forth
>
>Hardly anyone does it like that.

It's a primary means of communication with many teens.

>
>> make more sense than one interective phone to to discuss an issue?
>
>When you need what information you are moving like
>the physical address etc in text form so you can refer to
>it later with total accuracy when you need to use it.

I didn't say there was no reason to use text. When you need to convey
a number or other data it makes sense. It's good when you need to
preserve a record of the conversation. But i see plenty of back and
forth texting about deciding things like whether to meet for dinner,
where to meet and where to go, that consist of 3 texts each direction.

[Rod Speed]

<nob...@nada.com> wrote

> Rod Speed <rod.sp...@gmail.com> wrote
>><nob...@nada.com> wrote

>>> Justin <nos...@insightbb.com> wrote
>>>> Richard B. Gilbert wrote

>>>>> badgolferman wrote

>>>>>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>>>>>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

>>>>> Why does she think that she needs a new phone?

>>>>> Just about ALL of them can originate calls and receive calls. Just
>>>>> about everything else is just "window dressing". EXPENSIVE WINDOW

>>>> Nope... A phone is a communications device. Many people rarely call
>>>> anymore and use things like email, SMS, mobile chat to communicate

>>> Which explains a lot about the ability of people to comunicate with
>>> any accuracy.

>>No.

>>> How is a dozen texts back and forth

>> Hardly anyone does it like that.

> It's a primary means of communication with many teens.

Mostly only because they aren't allowed to talk instead quite
a bit of the time.

>>> make more sense than one interective phone to to discuss an issue?

>> When you need what information you are moving like
>> the physical address etc in text form so you can refer to
>> it later with total accuracy when you need to use it.

> I didn't say there was no reason to use text.

I didn't say you did.

> When you need to convey a number or other data it makes sense.

In fact a lot more sense than doing it by voice.

> It's good when you need to preserve a record of the conversation.

And even when you don't and need the accuracy you talked about.

> But i see plenty of back and forth texting about deciding
> things like whether to meet for dinner, where to meet
> and where to go, that consist of 3 texts each direction.

That approach does have the advantage that
the other party can reply when it suits them.

And you can check back on when and where you
agreed to meet for dinner any time you like too.

[Todd Allcock]

At 15 May 2013 18:31:18 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.

Let me go all nutty on you, and give you a few reasons she might actually
*like* it, rather than regret it.

For starters, the camera is probably the best camera offered on a mobile
phone right now, and includes an optical (mechanical) stabilzer for fewer
blurry shots, even in low light.

Windows Phone (*not* Windows Mobile, Mr. Mezei- WinMo is the old MS PDA
and phone OS MS launched in 2000. and retired in 2010) is the best mobile
OS nobody is using. ;) It lacks the expansive app ecosystem of iOS or
Android, due to the catch-22 it's in (along with Blackberry: no one
writes apps for it because it's not selling/it's not selling because
there aren't any apps) but, on the plus side, the system was designed
around not needing apps for "everyday" tasks- for example, price
checking/UPC scanning is built right into the OS; there's an "eye" icon
in the integrated search function that automatically runs a price check
if you take a picture of a UPC barcode, or returns QR code results. Take
a pic of a DVD or book cover and it returns prices and reviews, etc. Tap
the music note icon, and a Shazam-like music ID search is performed.
Facebook, Twitter,and LinkedIn are deeply integrated- the built-in
contacts app (called "People") has a running feed of your aggregated
social networking accounts (Facebook, Twitter, etc., and selecting an
individual contact will show their communication history with you- calls,
emails, texts, and social networking postings at a glance. It's pretty
slick.

The UI is also very fluid- you swipe left and right through various
screens usually rather than open menus or select icons. (For example,
swiping left or right through your email account will take you from inbox
to unread to starred/flagged, etc., through your media player you swipe
from albums to artists to songs to playlists, etc.), and the Live tiles
on the start screen convey data a glance- number of unread emails, next
appointment, current temp and weather, etc.- like Android widgets but
more compact and less battery draining, or like iOS badges but with more
info displayed.

WP has a lot to offer, but if your wife wants to chat around the water
cooler at work about the latest apps, it won't be for her. By the time a
popular app or game finally comes to Windows Phone, iOS and Android users
have moved on to a newer fad. In my experience, most "important" apps
(or a functional equivalent/rip-off) are available for WP, but it
certainly laxcks the depth or breadth of the other platforms. Nokia does
throw in a great free navigation system (Drive) that works worldwide and
lets you download the maps to the device ahead of time so it works
without any data connectivity, and a pretty cool augmented reality app
called City Lens that overlays location-based data in real time over the
camera, so if you walk down the street, the local bars, stores and and
restaurants' names and user ratings get superimposed over the camera
display "Terminator style" on the screen, and let you tap for more info.

I normally switch between a Windows Phone and an Android phone depending
on my mood and what I need to get done. Android certainly has more apps,
and overall has more features and functions, but Windows Phone is so much
more elegant and simpler to use. I'd say 90% of what I use a smartphone
for is more pleasant and easier to do on WP than Android, but the other
10% is just impossible due to the iOS-like locking down of the OS (you
can't install replacement keyboards like Swype on WP or iOS, or access
the device's filesystem with a File Manager, for example.)



If she wants one because she saw it in a commercial, I'd suggest you go
to the local Verizon store and try it out first. Windows Phone is a sort
of love it or hate it thing, in my experience.

[badgolferman]

Todd Allcock wrote:

>At 15 May 2013 18:31:18 +0000 badgolferman wrote:
>> My wife wants me to order this phone for her tomorrow from VZW when
>> it's available. Give me some good reasons why she would regret it.
>
>Let me go all nutty on you, and give you a few reasons she might

>actually like it, rather than regret it.

Well, she's had it for a day and so far loves it. I will admit the GUI
is rather slick, but there were a few things that I did not like at
all. When she got the phone she stuck it in the USB port of our home
computer to charge and it automatically downloaded all the contacts
from our Outlook 2007 to the phone. She says it downloaded the mail
messages too but I'm not sure about that. That Facebook integration
did the same thing, all her contacts from that program are now in the
People list. That's just too intrusive to me. The phone itself is too
big for a pocket and the sharp corners won't take long to wear out
holes in your pants if you carry it in your pants. It is snappy and
quick though. The next course of action is to get some music onto it.
Our 18-year-old will have to take on that ordeal.

[Richard B. Gilbert]

There will be several Verizon phone models available. Try to get to the
Verizon Wireless Store and ask them what they have to offer. You are
going to pay a big chunk of money for just about any Verizon phone. You
will be stuck with your purchase for at least the next two years.

Ask your spouse, if any, or a friend, to come along and help check it
out. You will be paying for it for the next two or three or more years
unless you can pay $500 to $700 cash. If you hate your new phone, you
will be hating it for the next two or three years.

READ AND UNDERSTAND the contract that they will ask you to sign. If you
are in doubt about the contract, it's better to pay a lawyer to check it
out than it is to sign without understanding what you are agreeing to.

[nospam]

In article <slrnkph41k....@mgb.local>, Lewis

<g.k...@gmail.com.dontsendmecopies> wrote:

> > Windows Phone (*not* Windows Mobile, Mr. Mezei- WinMo is the old MS PDA
> > and phone OS MS launched in 2000. and retired in 2010)
>

> No one who doesn't work for Microsoft is likely to keep track of the
> many names that MSFT's mobile OS has gone through. And, at least
> currently, no one who doesn't work for Microsoft is likely to care what
> the current name it.

what many names? windows mobile, windows phone.

[SMS]

On 5/19/2013 1:37 AM, Lewis wrote:
> In message <kn92lr$d0s$1...@dont-email.me>

> Todd Allcock <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>> Windows Phone (*not* Windows Mobile, Mr. Mezei- WinMo is the old MS PDA
>> and phone OS MS launched in 2000. and retired in 2010)
>

> No one who doesn't work for Microsoft is likely to keep track of the
> many names that MSFT's mobile OS has gone through. And, at least
> currently, no one who doesn't work for Microsoft is likely to care what
> the current name it.
>

> I agree with you that the current Windows phones have some nice UI
> features, but I think the horrible notification system, poor battery
> life, and lack of many apps are all serious shortcomings.

The 928 is a passable first try for Nokia. Hopefully the next model will
have a 5" screen (there's already room for one on the 928), a MicroSD
card slot, a user replaceable battery, and an aluminum case.

Supposedly it has simultaneous voice and data like most (all?) Android
LTE phones on Verizon (the iPhone 5 does not support simultaneous voice
and data).

[Alan Browne]

On 2013.05.18 19:29 , Todd Allcock wrote:

> OS nobody is using. ;) It lacks the expansive app ecosystem of iOS or
> Android, due to the catch-22 it's in (along with Blackberry: no one
> writes apps for it because it's not selling/it's not selling because

Blackberry's latest OS (10) runs Android apps - so they start with a
huge ecosystem.

Per one report (Mar 2013) there were over 100,000 apps for the BB 10 OS
at that time and it's estimated that at least 20% of those are actually
Android ports to the BB OS. (I did not vet that in any way).

And then of course the entire Android apps sphere can also run on the
latest BB OS. Over 700K of them. (Some may have hardware dependencies
that won't run on BB's of course - but most apps don't dig deep).

So, no, BB do not have the chicken and egg problem.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-05-19 06:33, nospam wrote:

> what many names? windows mobile, windows phone.

You forgot Windows CE.

[JF Mezei]

On 13-05-19 11:21, Alan Browne wrote:

> And then of course the entire Android apps sphere can also run on the
> latest BB OS. Over 700K of them. (Some may have hardware dependencies
> that won't run on BB's of course - but most apps don't dig deep).

Are you sure of that ? (not questioning your statement, just asking).

I thought I had heard that BB10 developpers had the tools to port an
Android App to run on BB10 without changes.

This would be quite different from BB10 end users being able to download
and run apps from Google Play.

[Alan Browne]

QUOTE
A unique feature of BlackBerry 10 is its ability to use Android apps,
helping increase the number of offerings available through the OS as the
company waits for the hopeful adoption of its platform by more
developers. While the ability to do so is helpful for acquiring apps
like Instagram or a standalone version of Evernote, installing Android
apps on BlackBerry 10 can be cumbersome and will likely be something
that most owners will never know about or use.
ENDQUOTE

While the "cumbersome" bit is likely true the last bit seems speculative.

Source
http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/blackberry-z10-and-blackberry-10-os-review

[nospam]

In article <YM6dnf4w1qTSiwTM...@giganews.com>, Alan Browne

<alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> wrote:

> >> And then of course the entire Android apps sphere can also run on the
> >> latest BB OS. Over 700K of them. (Some may have hardware dependencies
> >> that won't run on BB's of course - but most apps don't dig deep).
> >
> > Are you sure of that ? (not questioning your statement, just asking).
> >
> > I thought I had heard that BB10 developpers had the tools to port an
> > Android App to run on BB10 without changes.
> >
> > This would be quite different from BB10 end users being able to download
> > and run apps from Google Play.
>
> QUOTE
> A unique feature of BlackBerry 10 is its ability to use Android apps,
> helping increase the number of offerings available through the OS as the
> company waits for the hopeful adoption of its platform by more
> developers. While the ability to do so is helpful for acquiring apps
> like Instagram or a standalone version of Evernote, installing Android
> apps on BlackBerry 10 can be cumbersome and will likely be something
> that most owners will never know about or use.
> ENDQUOTE
>
> While the "cumbersome" bit is likely true the last bit seems speculative.
>
> Source
> http://ca.ign.com/articles/2013/04/23/blackberry-z10-and-blackberry-10-os-review

they have to be ported or repackaged:

<http://developer.blackberry.com/native/documentation/bb10/porting_from_
android_ndk.html>

You have two options to bring your Android app over to BlackBerry 10:
� Port the application code directly and rebuild the app for
BlackBerry 10.
� Use the repackaging tools for the BlackBerry Runtime for Android
apps.

The repackaging tools for the BlackBerry Runtime for Android apps
take an existing project or APK file and converts it for use on the
BlackBerry 10 OS. This conversion enables the app to run on the
BlackBerry Runtime for Android apps, which supports a number of APIs
on BlackBerry 10 but may incur compatibility or performance
differences. This is not the ideal approach for an Android native app.

[nospam]

In article <5199152e$0$33717$c3e8da3$a909...@news.astraweb.com>, JF

Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> wrote:

> > And then of course the entire Android apps sphere can also run on the
> > latest BB OS. Over 700K of them. (Some may have hardware dependencies
> > that won't run on BB's of course - but most apps don't dig deep).
>
> Are you sure of that ? (not questioning your statement, just asking).
>
> I thought I had heard that BB10 developpers had the tools to port an
> Android App to run on BB10 without changes.

either port or repackage. see my other post for details.

> This would be quite different from BB10 end users being able to download
> and run apps from Google Play.

that won't work.

[Alan Browne]

Sure will. To be clear there's a conversion process that some users
won't bother with, but once that process is complete the converted (not
ported) app can be "side loaded" by anyone. The point is _anyone_ can
do it - it does not have to be the original developer.

See
https://developer.blackberry.com/android/files/webinars/BlackBerry_Runtime_for_Android_Apps.pdf

p3:
► It’s Android Open source
v2.3.3 aka “Gingerbread”
Application Framework
running on top of
Playbook/BB10 OS and
Libraries
► Enables Android apps to be
installed and run inside it
► Deep integration with BB
native framework with the
objective to make Android
app indistinguishable from
native apps



p4 goes into "unsupported features".

[JF Mezei]

On 13-05-19 14:40, Alan Browne wrote:

> Sure will. To be clear there's a conversion process that some users
> won't bother with, but once that process is complete the converted (not
> ported) app can be "side loaded" by anyone. The point is _anyone_ can
> do it - it does not have to be the original developer.

Can you access Google Play on your Z10 or Q10, buy an app, download it
to your Blackberry, then run some "convert" application to make the
recently downloaded Android app into a BB10 app ?

Or must the conversion be done using an application on a PC that is part
of the developper tools ?

There are a slew of copyright issues if you buy 1 copy of an Android app
from Google Play and then convert it to BB10 and make it available to
anyone for Blackberries.

It seems to me that the "convert" process is really designed for rights
owners who may wish to make their Android app available ASAP on
Blackberry and not for end usesr to install any Android app they want.

[Todd Allcock]

JF Mezei <jfmezei...@vaxination.ca> Wrote in message:

> On 13-05-19 06:33, nospam wrote:
>
>> what many names? windows mobile, windows phone.
>
> You forgot Windows CE.
>
>

Win CE is the underlying OS WinMo and Windows Phone 7 ran in top
of. (A weak analogy would be how old versions of
Windows used to
run on top of MS-DOS.



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[Todd Allcock]

Alan Browne <alan....@FreelunchVideotron.ca> Wrote in message:

In some ways, BB may have it worse.

Like with the Playbook, BB Android support is awkward and kludgey
for end users, but because it works at all, it might convince
many devs not to bother writing native apps for BB, because they
can just run their Android apps through the Android VM, despite
the performance penalties.

Ironically, Nokia tried this by including a Dalvik (Android) VM
with their last few Symbian devices before switching to Windows
Phone. Kludgey Android support didn't save Symbian either- anyone
who wants to run Android apps that badly already has a plethora
of Android devices to choose from.

Android is an open source OS. If RIM really wants to hitch their
success to Android's cart, they should just fork off a custom
version of Android (like Amazon did with Kindle Fire), adding
their own app and UI layer, and open their own Android app
store.