50110 vs. 50113 PRLs

Rich

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PRL 50113 has been released and here are the changes compared to PRL
50110. Some of the details of the SIDs were obtained from
www.justalurker.com and www.mountainwireless.com I'll start with the
"bad" news and work towards the "good" news. Some changes in priority
and changes from A to D/A may not be noted along with any other changes
that I may have missed.

This one first of all seems to fix a lot of areas that we thought were
errors in the prior PRL. Areas like Alaska, Minnesota, Oregon, and
Washington are back to FR. Also, a few things that kept flipping back
and forth in MI are now changed again. The good news in Michigan is
that Thumb Cellular is now part of AC based on the PRL and also based on
rumors from Verizon, so I expect it to stay. The UP and NE corner of
the LP are still not part of AC, but from rumors I've heard we may be
able to expect that included in the first part of next year. Four
Sprint areas have been dropped. Also, for the first time that I've seen
in a Verizon PRL is that we have negative entries. Four new Verizon PCS
SIDs have been added, they must plan on expanding their PCS coverage in
certain areas. Also, lots of analog only areas before have been marked
as D/A so that if a digital signal is available the phone will now use
it, some of these areas are RM and some are FR. Overall I think this is
an improvement expect for the 4 Sprint areas that got dropped, but
hopefully coverage on Verizon in those areas is good enough that it
won't be noticed.

VZW = Verizon native area - no triangle
FR = Free roam/extended network - flashing triangle
RM = Roaming - solid triangle
NEG = Negative Entry - will not roam on this provider
A = Analog Only
D/A = Digital/Analog
D = Digital Only
PCS = PCS

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The following areas that were FR were dropped.
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4132 SprintPCS - Hawaii
4124 SprintPCS - Des Moines IA
4166 SprintPCS - Omaha NE
4622 SprintPCS - Houston TX

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The following areas that were RM were dropped.
--------------------------------------------------------
3006 MSA Development Group
045B Oklahoma City OK
1580 Panhandle Telecommunication Systems Inc.
596B Oklahoma 1 - Cimarron
251 AT&T Wireless Services
187A Anchorage AK

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The following areas changed from RM to NEG.
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1709 Dobson Cellular
661A Texas 10 - Navarro
667A Texas 16 - Burleson
1707 Dobson Cellular
660A Texas 9 - Runnels

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The following areas were added as NEG.
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8832 SID Not Found - Located in PRL at end in Puerto Rico Section (A)

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The following areas were added as RM.
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1812 Midwest Wireless MENOMONIE WI (A)
1411 Western Wireless MANHATTAN KS (D/A)
1234 Cellcom INDEPENDENCE IA (A)
1284 Ramcell Inc LONDON KY (D/A)
1608 Ramcell Inc ROSEBURG OR (D/A)
Ramcell Inc MANCHESTER KY (D/A)
38 Cingular / Southwestern Bell DALLAS/FT WORTH TX (A)
8832 SID Not Found - Located in PRL at end in Puerto Rico Section (PCS)
8465 SID Not Found - Located in PRL at end in Puerto Rico Section (D)
8097 Bermuda Digital HAMILTON Bermuda (D/A)

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The following areas changed from RM to FR.
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4097 Pacific Com Alaska
4500 SprintPCS - Fairbanks
1059 United States Cellular Corporation
336A California 1 - Del Norte
1741 Western Wireless Corporation
677A Utah 5 - Daggett
1370 Cellular 2000
482B Minnesota 1 - Kittson
483B Minnesota 2 - Lake of the Wood
Midwest Wireless
489B Minnesota 8 - Lac qui Parle
490B Minnesota 9 - Pipestone
491B Minnesota 10 - Le Sueur
492B Minnesota 11 - Goodhue
RCC Wireless
484B Minnesota 3 - Koochiching
486B Minnesota 5 - Wilkin
487B Minnesota 6 - Hubbard
1350 Thumb Cellular LP (and A to D/A and moved higher in priority)
481B Michigan 10 - Tuscola
1338 AllTel Communications
475B Michigan 4 - Cheboygan
1336 AllTel Communications
474B Michigan 3 - Emmet
1607 United States Cellular Corporation
610A Oregon 5 - Coos
1784 United States Cellular LONGVIEW WA
436 United States Cellular Corporation
229B Medford OR
580 United States Cellular Corporation
191B Yakima WA
214B Richland-Kennewick-Pasco WA
607B Oregon 2 - Hood River
608B Oregon 3 - Umatilla
697B Washington 5 - Kittitas
699B Washington 7 - Skamania
1610 United States Cellular Corporation
611B Oregon 6 - Crook
1155 United States Cellular Corporation
168A Tallahassee FL
192A Gainesville FL
364A Florida 5 - Putnam
365A Florida 6 - Dixie
366A Florida 7 - Hamilton
368A Florida 9 - Calhoun
369A Florida 10 - Walton
381A Georgia 11 - Toombs
384A Georgia 14 - Worth
340 United States Cellular Corporation
208B Fort Pierce FL
1595 United States Cellular Corporation (and A to D/A)
601A Oklahoma 6 - Seminole
604A Oklahoma 9 - Garvin
605A Oklahoma 10 - Haskell
166 United States Cellular Corporation
057B Tulsa OK
599B Oklahoma 4 - Nowata
574 United States Cellular Corporation
233B Wichita Falls TX
260B Lawton OK
603B Oklahoma 8 - Jackson
655B Texas 4 - Briscoe
656B Texas 5 - Hardeman
1729 United States Cellular Corporation
300A Victoria TX
670A Texas 19 - Atascosa
671A Texas 20 - Wilson

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The following areas were added as FR.
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1777 RCC Minnesota (D/A)
695A Washington 3 - Ferry
1267 RCC Minnesota (D)
440A Kansas 13 - Edwards
9562 Excomm, LLC (A)
581B North Dakota 2 - Bottineau

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The following areas were added as VZW.
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28 Verizon Wireless (PCS)
006B Boston-Lowell-Brockton-Lawrenc
038B Providence-Warwick-Pawtucket
055B Worchester-Fitchburg-Leominste
076B New Bedford-Fall River MA
471B Massachusetts 2 - Barnstable
624B Rhode Island 1 - Newport
119 Verizon Wireless (PCS)
032A Hartford-New Britain-Bristol
042A Bridgeport-Stamford-Norwalk-Da
049A New Haven-West Haven-Waterbury
063A Springfield-Chicopee-Holyoke
154A New London-Norwich CT
213A Pittsfield MA
358A Connecticut 2 - Windham
300 Verizon Wireless (PCS)
248B Burlington VT
560B New York 2 - Franklin
679B Vermont 1 - Franklin
680B Vermont 2 - Addison
6228 SID Not Found - Added in PRL at the beginning of the MI/OH
section (PCS)
127 Verizon Wireless (PCS)
090A Charleston-North Charleston S
631A South Carolina 7 - Calhoun

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The following FR areas changed from A to D/A
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271 United States Cellular BANGOR ME
384 United States Cellular Corporation
239B Joplin MO
1315 United States Cellular SKOWHEGAN ME
1317 United States Cellular Corporation
224A Bangor ME
279A Lewiston-Auburn ME
463A Maine 1 - Oxford
464A Maine 2 - Somerset
465A Maine 3 - Kennebec
1320 United States Cellular Corporation
466B Maine 4 - Washington
1393 AllTel Communications
502A Mississippi 10 - Smith
503A Mississippi 11 - Lamar
1484 United States Cellular Corporation
548B New Hampshire 1 - Coos
680B Vermont 2 - Addison
1818 AllTel Communications
715B Wisconsin 8 - Vernon
1914 United States Cellular Corporation
305B Alton-Granite City IL
397B Illinois 4 - Adams

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The following RM areas changed from A to D/A
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318 AllTel Communications
232B Eau Claire WI
708B Wisconsin 1 - Burnett
709B Wisconsin 2 - Bayfield
712B Wisconsin 5 - Pierce
324 Cellular Network Partnership
302B Enid OK
597B Oklahoma 2 - Harper
598B Oklahoma 3 - Grant
600B Oklahoma 5 - Roger Mills
396 AllTel Communications
290B La Crosse WI
713B Wisconsin 6 - Trempealeau
534 Cellular Mobile Systems of St. Cloud LLC
198B St. Cloud MN
1582 Cellular Network Partnership
597B Oklahoma 2 - Harper
1904 Cellular Network Partnership
600B Oklahoma 5 - Roger Mills
2042 ACS Wireless
316B Alaska 2 - Bethel
Matanuska-Kenai Inc.
316B Alaska 2 - Bethel

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The following area stayed at RM but moved lower in priority.
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1574 United States Cellular Corporation
593B Ohio 9 - Ross

There were also several other priority changes.

If you have any questions I'll do my best to answer them.

Rich

Stanley Cline

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Oct 31, 2003, 10:22:15 PM10/31/03

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 02:12:22 GMT, Rich <math...@mathwhiz.org> wrote:

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas that were RM were dropped.
>--------------------------------------------------------
> 3006 MSA Development Group
> 045B Oklahoma City OK

This SID is probably unused now...

> 251 AT&T Wireless Services
> 187A Anchorage AK

Now Dobson, and probably removed for that reason; ACS is in the PRL as
well so this is really no big deal.

> 1709 Dobson Cellular
> 661A Texas 10 - Navarro
> 667A Texas 16 - Burleson
> 1707 Dobson Cellular
> 660A Texas 9 - Runnels

These (or at least 1707) have gone from FR to RM to NEG...I suspect
VZW has had recurring roaming issues with this area and blocked them
to help resolve problems. Still, VZW and Dobson hate each other ever
since the latter sold GA-1/TN-4/CA-8/etc. to the former so there could
be more to this...

> 8832 SID Not Found - Located in PRL at end in Puerto Rico Section (A)

I looked at the raw PRL someone else posted and on whatever system
this is, which is likely outside the US, 800 is blocked but 1900 is
permitted.

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas were added as RM.
>--------------------------------------------------------

> 1284 Ramcell Inc LONDON KY (D/A)

There's proof Kentucky is getting more CDMA! :)

This also means that VZW customers from A-side 800 markets will no
longer roam on Cingular and Dobson in SE KY.

Of course, it's still roaming on AC plans, but I expect that to change
once Ramcell actually gets its CDMA up early next year; there is no
longer any good reason for the small Kentucky carriers (Appalachian is
also going CDMA, and while Bluegrass hasn't stated what they're doing
yet, I can't see them going GSM for a number of reasons) to "screw"
VZW.

> 38 Cingular / Southwestern Bell DALLAS/FT WORTH TX (A)

Cingular?!?! WTF?! Is AT&T not enough?

>--------------------------------------------------------
>The following areas changed from RM to FR.
>--------------------------------------------------------
> 4097 Pacific Com Alaska
> 4500 SprintPCS - Fairbanks

<snip>

Problem fixes...

> 1350 Thumb Cellular LP (and A to D/A and moved higher in priority)
> 481B Michigan 10 - Tuscola

YAY! :)

> 1338 AllTel Communications
> 475B Michigan 4 - Cheboygan
> 1336 AllTel Communications
> 474B Michigan 3 - Emmet

<snip>

Jon Clark

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"Rich" <math...@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
news:aEEob.72996$HS4.634885@attbi_s01...

This still means it *will* roam on SPCS in these areas if there is no other
option, since they didn't get the NEG flagged, correct?

<snip>

> --------------------------------------------------------
> The following areas changed from RM to NEG.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 1709 Dobson Cellular
> 661A Texas 10 - Navarro
> 667A Texas 16 - Burleson
> 1707 Dobson Cellular
> 660A Texas 9 - Runnels

Like SC said, a pissing match...

> --------------------------------------------------------
> The following areas were added as NEG.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 8832 SID Not Found - Located in PRL at end in Puerto Rico Section (A)
>
> --------------------------------------------------------

<snip>

Does this now mean the Central / eastern Oregon issues with "loss of
coverage" vis-a-vis USCC and AC are fixed back to pre-50085 days?

> --------------------------------------------------------
> The following areas were added as FR.
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 1777 RCC Minnesota (D/A)
> 695A Washington 3 - Ferry
> 1267 RCC Minnesota (D)
> 440A Kansas 13 - Edwards
> 9562 Excomm, LLC (A)
> 581B North Dakota 2 - Bottineau

I was thrown for a second with the RCC Minnesota thing, then realized that
they are based, at least somewhat, in Alexandria, MN. This *does* show that
RCC is making progress on a CDMA overlay in some market, somewhere, which
gives us hope elsewhere...

<snip>

Good deal...

> --------------------------------------------------------
> The following RM areas changed from A to D/A
> --------------------------------------------------------
> 318 AllTel Communications
> 232B Eau Claire WI
> 708B Wisconsin 1 - Burnett
> 709B Wisconsin 2 - Bayfield
> 712B Wisconsin 5 - Pierce
> 324 Cellular Network Partnership
> 302B Enid OK
> 597B Oklahoma 2 - Harper
> 598B Oklahoma 3 - Grant
> 600B Oklahoma 5 - Roger Mills
> 396 AllTel Communications
> 290B La Crosse WI
> 713B Wisconsin 6 - Trempealeau
> 534 Cellular Mobile Systems of St. Cloud LLC
> 198B St. Cloud MN

<snip>

^^^^ See this?!!? This means the dreaded CMS of St. Cloud implemented (or
re-implemented, depending on who you believe about the former existance of
CDMA overlay on their system at 800 MHz) a CDMA overlay for the Stearns /
Benton / Sherburne county 'Black Hole' in MN. This kind of jives with what
that guy from VZW (Great Plains director of Roaming) told me a few months
ago about 'more CDMA options in MN coming soon...' Now CMS operates AMPS,
TDMA and CDMA. It's still roaming, but I would expect that might change
eventually....

Plus, more D/A roaming is always a plus...

Rich

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Jon Clark wrote:
> "Rich" <math...@mathwhiz.org> wrote in message
> news:aEEob.72996$HS4.634885@attbi_s01...
>

>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>The following areas that were FR were dropped.
>>--------------------------------------------------------
>> 4132 SprintPCS - Hawaii
>> 4124 SprintPCS - Des Moines IA
>> 4166 SprintPCS - Omaha NE
>> 4622 SprintPCS - Houston TX
> This still means it *will* roam on SPCS in these areas if there is no other
> option, since they didn't get the NEG flagged, correct?

From my understanding on how PRLs work is that yes you would still roam
on them if no other signal was available. I've heard though in places
like this, if you try to make a call on the Sprint SID you get America's
Roaming Network.

>
> Does this now mean the Central / eastern Oregon issues with "loss of
> coverage" vis-a-vis USCC and AC are fixed back to pre-50085 days?
>

That's what is appears like to me, although I don't focus too much on
that area - since I live in Michigan. And I did find this interesting
since there were reports from people in this area who did get billed
roaming, so this (if accurate) is more than a fix to an incorrect PRL,
it's more of a "Ooops, we pissed off our custoemrs, better add that
coverage back".

Thanks to both you and Stanley for your insight/input on this.

Rich

J. E. Smith, DDS

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I live in Houston and my phone (a530) goes on Extended Network "4622
SprintPCS" enough that VZW should have no changed it to roming. I have PRL
50110. So, if I do not dial *228 and update, 4622 will still be FR?

Thanks

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Rich

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J. E. Smith, DDS wrote:
> I live in Houston and my phone (a530) goes on Extended Network "4622
> SprintPCS" enough that VZW should have no changed it to roming. I have PRL
> 50110. So, if I do not dial *228 and update, 4622 will still be FR?
>
> Thanks
>

You phone will still indicate it as FR. The billings are not based on
the PRL though, they are based on the billing system. You'll probably
be fine for at least a month, but don't be surprised if either a) you
get billed for roaming. If you do, you probably can call once and get
them credited, but they'll also inform you to update your PRL. or b) you
try to place a call and you get the American Roaming Network.

Rich

Stanley Cline

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On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:57:30 -0600, "Jon Clark" <jsc...@visi.com>
wrote:

>[Rich wrote]

>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> The following areas that were FR were dropped.
>> --------------------------------------------------------
>> 4132 SprintPCS - Hawaii
>> 4124 SprintPCS - Des Moines IA
>> 4166 SprintPCS - Omaha NE
>> 4622 SprintPCS - Houston TX
>
>This still means it *will* roam on SPCS in these areas if there is no other
>option, since they didn't get the NEG flagged, correct?

No -- if a PCS (1900 MHz) system's SID isn't in a PRL, a phone using
that PRL will never register on it, except for perhaps 911 calls. The
only way to get a phone onto a PCS system not in its PRL is to force
the phone onto that system via creative use of *228xx, debug menus,
etc.

Rich

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Stanley Cline wrote:
> On Fri, 31 Oct 2003 21:57:30 -0600, "Jon Clark" <jsc...@visi.com>
> wrote:
>
>
>>[Rich wrote]
>>
>>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>>The following areas that were FR were dropped.
>>>--------------------------------------------------------
>>> 4132 SprintPCS - Hawaii
>>> 4124 SprintPCS - Des Moines IA
>>> 4166 SprintPCS - Omaha NE
>>> 4622 SprintPCS - Houston TX
>>
>>This still means it *will* roam on SPCS in these areas if there is no other
>>option, since they didn't get the NEG flagged, correct?
>
>
> No -- if a PCS (1900 MHz) system's SID isn't in a PRL, a phone using
> that PRL will never register on it, except for perhaps 911 calls. The
> only way to get a phone onto a PCS system not in its PRL is to force
> the phone onto that system via creative use of *228xx, debug menus,
> etc.
>
> -SC

Is that just for PCS? Will Cellular (800) register even if it's not in
the PRL? I think I've had that happen a couple times - for a brief moment.

Rich

Stanley Cline

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On Sat, 01 Nov 2003 05:00:51 GMT, Rich <math...@mathwhiz.org> wrote:

>Is that just for PCS? Will Cellular (800) register even if it's not in
>the PRL? I think I've had that happen a couple times - for a brief moment.

Yes and yes.

Dave Markson

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>No -- if a PCS (1900 MHz) system's SID isn't in a PRL, a phone using
>that PRL will never register on it, except for perhaps 911 calls. The
>only way to get a phone onto a PCS system not in its PRL is to force
>the phone onto that system via creative use of *228xx, debug menus,
>etc.
>
>-SC

If the channel of the non-listed SID is in the PRL, then you will be able to
lock on, if you manage to get your phone in a position where it can't receive
anything else. I've been able to connect to SPCS 4106 just to see if I could do
it :)

I used to get away with putting SPCS into NAM2, but now SPCS checks for NAM1 (
as does Verizon), so the phone will no longer authenticate.

--
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Diamond Dave

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What brand and model of phone?

I don't have a problem with my Motorola v120e.

Dave

Dave Markson

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>What brand and model of phone?
>
>I don't have a problem with my Motorola v120e.
>
>Dave

ST7868. Won't work on SPCS in NAM3 (can't authenicate), but will work if I
manage to lock on in NAM1.

Doesn't really matter, just interesting.

MARK HENDERSON

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In article <ric7qv8sggg2obvv7...@4ax.com>,

Dave Markson <da...@markson.remove.net> wrote:
>If the channel of the non-listed SID is in the PRL, then you will be able to
>lock on, if you manage to get your phone in a position where it can't receive
>anything else. I've been able to connect to SPCS 4106 just to see if I could do
>it :)
>
>I used to get away with putting SPCS into NAM2, but now SPCS checks for NAM1 (
>as does Verizon), so the phone will no longer authenticate.

This has to do with the AKEY. Basically the phone is using a stronger
authentication mechanism (no longer just the ESN and phone number).

If you switch to a phone which didn't come from Verizon, you'll end up
using the weaker authentication method and the NAM2 trick to force
Sprint will work.

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m...@shell1.iglou.com (MARK HENDERSON) wrote in message news:<3fa40c14$1...@news.iglou.com>...

> This has to do with the AKEY. Basically the phone is using a stronger
> authentication mechanism (no longer just the ESN and phone number).
>
> If you switch to a phone which didn't come from Verizon, you'll end up
> using the weaker authentication method and the NAM2 trick to force
> Sprint will work.

I have a Samsung N300 purchased directly from Verizon and the NAM2
force to Sprint trick still works. Any idea why?

SM

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