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ABC NEWS 20/20 TO EXPOSE CELL PHONE MANAUFACTURERS
By: m...@pobox.com (Louis Slesin / Microwave News)
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ABC News has issued a press release announcing that its 20/20 show on
possible health risks associated with the use of cellular phones will air
on Wednesday night, October 20th at 10pm, Eastern time.
ABC tested a number of mobile phones and measured how much microwave
radiation would be absorbed by a user. According to the press
release, four out of five phones tested exceeded the U.S. federal government
limit in at
least one position.
On the following night, October 21, French television station France
2 will air its own show on mobile phone health risks. Note that Paul Kenyon,
who
is listed in the credits, was the reporter on the BBC Panorama program on
health risks which aired on May 24 of this year.
Here is what is posted on the France 2 Web site:
Portables : attention danger
Un reportage d'Olivier Galzi, Philippe Jasselin, Paul Kenyon
et Neil Higginson.
En France, plus d'une personne sur quatre possède un
téléphone portable et la planète compte plus de 300 millions
d'utilisateurs. Face à cette explosion du marché, une
question revient de plus en plus souvent : le portable peut-il
être dangereux pour la santé ?
Les scientifiques sont de plus en plus inquiets. Récemment,
une enquête de la BBC a fait grand bruit outre-Atlantique.
L'équipe d'Envoyé Spécial a mené sa propre enquête. Elle
nous a conduit sur de nouvelles pistes concernant les effets
possibles induits par les très basses fréquences émises par le
mobile (fréquences jusqu'ici considérées comme
inoffensives). Les études se multiplient et plusieurs d'entre
elles constatent que le téléphone portable induit des effets
biologiques sur notre santé et qu'il provoque un
dysfonctionnement de notre système de régulation du stress.
Toutes ces études prouvent qu'il existe une interaction entre
le téléphone portable et l'organisme vivant avec lequel il est
en contact. Les fabricants refusent d'admettre ce lien, et ne
semblent pas prendre en compte les avertissements qui leur
sont donnés par ces chercheurs. "C'est l'histoire du tabac qui
se répète encore et encore" selon le docteur Ross Adey, de
l'Université de Riverside en Californie. "Je pense qu'ils
essaient de manipuler les données afin que rien n'apparaisse"
affirme le professeur Lai de l'Université de Washington à
Seattle.
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Mike Sauve
you for exposing thier sekrit mind control ray
project^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H^H lack of attention to this
issue.
Mike
Alan B
using the phone LONG before the EM radiation causes any problems.
Alan B
No news for real address.
Zygote Media Networks wrote:
[snip]
> ABC tested a number of mobile phones and measured how much microwave
> radiation would be absorbed by a user. According to the press
> release, four out of five phones tested exceeded the U.S. federal government
> limit in at
> least one position.
[snip]
Patrick Timlin
> ABC tested a number of mobile phones and measured how much microwave
> radiation would be absorbed by a user. According to the press
> release, four out of five phones tested exceeded the U.S. federal
> government limit in at least one position.
"in at least one position" hmmm what the hell does that mean. Ya, I
suppose if you took the phone, shoved it up your ass, and then called
yourself, that might be considered "one position" that would exceed the
US Fed limit on radiation.
It used to be those 60 minute, 20/20 type shows were pretty good (15-20
years ago) but now most of them simply suck and often are so desperate
to get a sensational story that they will practically make a whole
story around one isolated case on whatever it is they are doing and try
to pass it off as "typical" across an industry. Those shows have all
turned into tabloid TV, especially since there is so many of them now.
Anyway, the point is not that I think cell phones are completely
harmless or couldn't possibly be exceeding some limit in radiation, but
that I never take anything those shows "present" as being always on the
up and up, good journalizm, and in many cases "bad science" (everyone
remember the "exploding pickup truck gas tank" incident?). So the idea
of a TV network doing scientific tests is rather laughable and suspect.
--
Patrick Timlin --- pti...@yahoo.com
http://www.geocities.com/ptimlin/
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Before you buy.
Jon Clark
handset cable of a regular office or home phone, then call it. You'll hear
the paging channel communications between the phone and tower. So?
<vide...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:80o42o$bms$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> Place an AT 831 balanced microphone on a table.
> Plug it into a good high quality mic mixer (say,
> an Ashly 6 channel) Run a balanced, low impedance
> mic cable from the AT 831 to the mixer, then
> connect the mixer to the line level input of a
> video camera (Panasonic DP800 is my favorite.)
> Now, while monitoring with a pair of
> headphones,have someone place a Nokia or Motorola
> cell phone within 10-15 feet of the mic cable.
> Dial the number and cause it to ring.
> Listen to what you've been missing...
Joe Schmoe
> Place an AT 831 balanced microphone on a table.
> Plug it into a good high quality mic mixer (say,
> an Ashly 6 channel) Run a balanced, low impedance
> mic cable from the AT 831 to the mixer, then
> connect the mixer to the line level input of a
> video camera (Panasonic DP800 is my favorite.)
> Now, while monitoring with a pair of
> headphones,have someone place a Nokia or Motorola
> cell phone within 10-15 feet of the mic cable.
> Dial the number and cause it to ring.
> Listen to what you've been missing...
In a Nissan Maxima (not the latest one, the one before that), put a
Moto StarTAC in the cubbyhole next to the radio. Call it. You hear a
loud noise through the radio before the phone rings. This happens with
all GSM StarTACs I've encountered. Now try it with a Nokia 2180. You
don't hear any interference, even with the vibrating ringer activated.
I have to admit it, it scares me a little, but then I have a Nokia. It
would scare me more if I had a Moto.
vide...@my-deja.com
Plug it into a good high quality mic mixer (say,
an Ashly 6 channel) Run a balanced, low impedance
mic cable from the AT 831 to the mixer, then
connect the mixer to the line level input of a
video camera (Panasonic DP800 is my favorite.)
Now, while monitoring with a pair of
headphones,have someone place a Nokia or Motorola
cell phone within 10-15 feet of the mic cable.
Dial the number and cause it to ring.
Listen to what you've been missing...
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Before you buy.
Barry
run for the hills!
Almost all electronic equipment put out some RF. Especially if it has a
microprocessor. I remember playing with my old TI calculator with an AM
radio just to hear the different tones from each key. I think the media
is trying to get everyone paranoid about RF. Heck, just think of the RF
that the media themselves are putting out. (Wireless mic-wireless
camera-uplink truck-satellite-local transmitter transmitting megawatts)
Think of all of the pager transmitters, cell sites, radio/tv stations,
police/fire, remote control garages, cordless telephones, microwave
ovens, plus the hundreds of satellites beaming through our heads all of
the time. No wonder everyone is getting cancer these days and the media
wants to blame it on smoking. :-)
Oops forgot about powerlines but that's another issue!
Get over the paranoia! Unless you wrap yourself in Reynolds wrap, RF is
all around you (I mean all THROUGH you) all the time. Sure, some
frequencies and power levels will affect you more than others, but there
has to be some cumulative effect as well from EVERYTHING else.
Barry
Mike Fenton
You'll hear interference from a .6 watt 800mhz signal interfering with a
very sensitive circuit on the board of your amplifier, mixer, or camera, via
whatever cable or directly through the air. Not some magic radiation, just
the same radio signal that's always been there.
MAF
Mike Fenton
>In a Nissan Maxima (not the latest one, the one before that), put a
>Moto StarTAC in the cubbyhole next to the radio. Call it. You hear a
>loud noise through the radio before the phone rings. This happens with
>all GSM StarTACs I've encountered. Now try it with a Nokia 2180. You
>don't hear any interference, even with the vibrating ringer activated.
>
>I have to admit it, it scares me a little, but then I have a Nokia. It
>would scare me more if I had a Moto.
What exactly is GSM? How does the technology compare to TDMA/CDMA (ie, what
makes it different?).
MAF
Jon Clark
Joe Schmoe <fa...@mail.com> wrote in message
news:141119992342205236%fa...@mail.com...
> > Plug it into a good high quality mic mixer (say,
> > an Ashly 6 channel) Run a balanced, low impedance
> > mic cable from the AT 831 to the mixer, then
> > connect the mixer to the line level input of a
> > video camera (Panasonic DP800 is my favorite.)
> > Now, while monitoring with a pair of
> > headphones,have someone place a Nokia or Motorola
> > cell phone within 10-15 feet of the mic cable.
> > Dial the number and cause it to ring.
> > Listen to what you've been missing...
>
> Moto StarTAC in the cubbyhole next to the radio. Call it. You hear a
> loud noise through the radio before the phone rings. This happens with
> all GSM StarTACs I've encountered. Now try it with a Nokia 2180. You
> don't hear any interference, even with the vibrating ringer activated.
This is not exclusive to the Motorola. It is more an issue of the GSM paging
channel. A Nokia GSM phone would be very similar. You compared a Motorola
GSM phone to a Nokia CDMA phone. CDMA produces less residual interference
noise (when being paged to ring) than a GSM (or AMPS or TDMA) phone. It's
there, but its much less. Probably has to do with a combination of the
spread spectrum technology with a maximum 200 mW ERP level - an RF engineer
could tell you with more confidence than I could.
Regards,
Jon Clark
jsclark...@visi.com
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Jon Clark
Jon Clark <jsclark...@visi.com> wrote in message
news:l%VX3.463$X5.6...@ptah.visi.com...
I should follow-up by saying that I don't think you should be afraid of
using any of the FCC approved technologies or phones - in some level of
moderation. Think about the RF that bleeds out of a Microwave oven (it isn't
much, but probably more than a cell phone) - and how often you run that 700
WATT beast standing within 5 feet of it.
Al Klein
<jsclark...@visi.com> wrote:
>I should follow-up by saying that I don't think you should be afraid of
>using any of the FCC approved technologies or phones - in some level of
>moderation. Think about the RF that bleeds out of a Microwave oven (it isn't
>much, but probably more than a cell phone) - and how often you run that 700
>WATT beast standing within 5 feet of it.
A microwave oven that's turned on versus a cell phone that's
transmitting?
It better not be. The allowable radiation from a microwave oven is a
lot less than the 200 mw transmitted by a cell phone. And who puts an
oven up against his head?
--
Al - aklein at villagenet dot com
Steve Punter
what
>makes it different?).
GSM is NOT a transmission technology. It is a protocol (or standard if you
like) that describes the entire workings of a wireless network. One small
aspect of this protocol is the type of AIR INTERFACE it uses. An Air
Interface is the technology utilized to transmit and receive streams of data
over the airwaves.
The present GSM standard uses a type of TDMA air interface. Upcoming third
generation GSM systems will use a type of wideband CDMA as its air
interface.
When we GENERICALLY refer to CDMA in North America, we are actually
referring to a protocol called IS-95 (ANSI-J-STD-008 for 1900 Mhz). Like
GSM, this protocol describes all the aspects of the wireless system, but it
happens to include a type of narrowband CDMA for its Air Interface.
When we GENERICALLY refer to TDMA in North America, we are actually
referring to a protocol called IS-136. This protocol uses a much cruder form
of TDMA than does GSM. So although GSM and IS-136 share the same BASIC type
of air interface technology, calling them the same would be like saying
Lemons and Limes are really just the same fruit with a different paint job.
--
Steve Punter
http://www.arcx.com/sites
Lewis
>
> In article <80o42o$bms$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>, <vide...@my-deja.com> wrote:
>
> > Place an AT 831 balanced microphone on a table.
> > Plug it into a good high quality mic mixer (say,
> > an Ashly 6 channel) Run a balanced, low impedance
> > mic cable from the AT 831 to the mixer, then
> > connect the mixer to the line level input of a
> > video camera (Panasonic DP800 is my favorite.)
> > Now, while monitoring with a pair of
> > headphones,have someone place a Nokia or Motorola
> > cell phone within 10-15 feet of the mic cable.
> > Dial the number and cause it to ring.
> > Listen to what you've been missing...
>
> In a Nissan Maxima (not the latest one, the one before that), put a
> Moto StarTAC in the cubbyhole next to the radio. Call it. You hear a
> loud noise through the radio before the phone rings. This happens with
> all GSM StarTACs I've encountered. Now try it with a Nokia 2180. You
> don't hear any interference, even with the vibrating ringer activated.
>
> would scare me more if I had a Moto.
The buzz you hear in nearby audio/broadcast equipment with GSM and TDMA
is the transmitter in the phone switching on and off several times a
second. The RF and audio circuits in the broadcast receiver cannot
react fast enough to the change in RF level between "on" and "off."
There is no more power being transmitted by a GSM or TDMA phone, than by
an analog or CDMA phone.
Lewis
Lewis
>
> Try putting a radio next to your computer. You'll prob pull the plug &
> run for the hills!
>
> Almost all electronic equipment put out some RF. Especially if it has a
> microprocessor. I remember playing with my old TI calculator with an AM
> radio just to hear the different tones from each key. I think the media
> is trying to get everyone paranoid about RF. Heck, just think of the RF
> that the media themselves are putting out. (Wireless mic-wireless
> camera-uplink truck-satellite-local transmitter transmitting megawatts)
>
> Think of all of the pager transmitters, cell sites, radio/tv stations,
> police/fire, remote control garages, cordless telephones, microwave
> ovens, plus the hundreds of satellites beaming through our heads all of
> the time. No wonder everyone is getting cancer these days and the media
> wants to blame it on smoking. :-)
>
> Oops forgot about powerlines but that's another issue!
>
> Get over the paranoia! Unless you wrap yourself in Reynolds wrap, RF is
> all around you (I mean all THROUGH you) all the time. Sure, some
> frequencies and power levels will affect you more than others, but there
> has to be some cumulative effect as well from EVERYTHING else.
>
> Barry
HA! HA! I'd LOVE to see RF be visible to the human eye for just ONE
day. Then, after people went completely ape, I'd like to see ALL RF
disabled for ONE day.
Lewis
Lewis
Don't you ever look in the window of the microwave to see if your soup
is boiling?<G>
Lewis
Bob Smith
Lewis <los...@teleport.com> wrote in message
news:38306397...@teleport.com...
:
: HA! HA! I'd LOVE to see RF be visible to the human eye for just ONE
: day. Then, after people went completely ape, I'd like to see ALL RF
: disabled for ONE day.
:
: Lewis
Hmm, I might go for the first option, but on that second one, let's not and
say we didn't. Too many people depend on RF, especially pilots in the air,
police & fire depts, etc.
eric
urinals to flush (the ones with the sensors) same goes for the sinks.
dont ask.
I was bored
although it is fun to make all the urinals flush while some older gentleman
is using them.
eric
eric
cell phone.
eric
Greg
eric wrote in message ...
Dr. Raman Sinha
20/20 Sucks. It's all about ratings. Ever hear the addage "A little bit
of knowledge is dangerous.."? Well they try to seed every unquestioning
American (this obviously doesn't apply to the people in this ng) with a
little bit of esoteric knowledge and the whole country just goes gaga
over it.. sheesh!
If I could have a nickel for every patient that came in and said that
this drug does this or that magnet fixes fractures, etc.. i would be
able to buy you all unlimited wireless web/data minutes!!
-Raman
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Obviously, neither will ever happen. But, both would be VERY impressive
to the whinny hand-wringers out there. :-)
Lewis
Jerome Zelinske
<jsclark...@visi.com> writes:
>and how often you run that 700
>WATT beast standing within 5 feet of it.
We just love our 1000 watt Amana RadarRange. When ever we move, we always
add a 20 amp outlet in the kitchen for it.
Mike Fenton
>When we GENERICALLY refer to CDMA in North America, we are actually
>referring to a protocol called IS-95 (ANSI-J-STD-008 for 1900 Mhz). Like
>GSM, this protocol describes all the aspects of the wireless system, but it
>happens to include a type of narrowband CDMA for its Air Interface.
>
>When we GENERICALLY refer to TDMA in North America, we are actually
>referring to a protocol called IS-136. This protocol uses a much cruder
form
>of TDMA than does GSM. So although GSM and IS-136 share the same BASIC type
>of air interface technology, calling them the same would be like saying
>Lemons and Limes are really just the same fruit with a different paint job.
It seems like there is plenty of information on CDMA out there, but not so
much on TDMA. Does TDMA use a carrier frequency? I used to think all
signals needed a carrier frequency, but it isn't always mentioned.
I assume by narrowband CDMA it means the bandwidth of the carrier frequency,
not the signal bandwidth.
MAF
Mike Fenton
>There is no more power being transmitted by a GSM or TDMA phone, than by
>an analog or CDMA phone.
>
>Lewis
I don't know what the total power consumption is by TDMA/CDMA, but CDMA uses
it's power spread over a wider range. Any given frequency will actually
have less power than TDMA, and either will have less than analog.
MAF
Steve Punter
>much on TDMA. Does TDMA use a carrier frequency? I used to think all
>signals needed a carrier frequency, but it isn't always mentioned.
All transmission schemes use a carrier, no matter how that carrier is
obscured in the modulated signal. What makes CDMA different from TDMA is HOW
multiple users share a single channel. In TDMA, a channel is shared in TIME
(thus the "T"). Each user of the channel takes his turn using that channel
for a short burst (in a round-robin style). CDMA users share the channel by
spreading a small number of bits onto a wide channel. They don't get in each
others way because their spreading algorithm is unique to the others.
>I assume by narrowband CDMA it means the bandwidth of the carrier
frequency,
>not the signal bandwidth.
When one refers to "narrowband" or "wideband", one is referring to the
amount of spectrum consumed by a single channel. Also note that they terms
are RELATIVE. Narrowband CDMA consumes 1.25 Mhz of spectrum per channel.
Wideband CDMA consumes 5 Mhz per channel. Both are "wide" compared to a
single IS-136 channel that consumers only 0.03 Mhz per channel (but can only
accommodate 3 callers).
Al Klein
wrote:
>Al Klein wrote:
>> It better not be. The allowable radiation from a microwave oven is a
>> lot less than the 200 mw transmitted by a cell phone. And who puts an
>> oven up against his head?
>Don't you ever look in the window of the microwave to see if your soup
>is boiling?<G>
I guess I just trust that choke seals work. :)
Al Klein
wrote:
>our uhf or vhf radios at target when I was in high school. would cause the
>urinals to flush (the ones with the sensors) same goes for the sinks.
Some radios make some cars stop running. Not too great if, while
doing 65 on an interstate, you transmit and have to restart the
engine. Even worse if you have power steering and brakes.
Steven Hurdle
and CDMA phones. A GSM phone may output power at a full watt, much more
than any CDMA phone I'm familiar with, and most GSM phones seem to output
in the 0.4-0.8 watt range. However, it's only outputting this (if memory
serves) 1/8th of the time because of the time-sharing nature of the TDMA
air interface GSM uses. CDMA spreads it across the channel and must
output power constantly due to this, but does so at a lower wattage.
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999, Mike Fenton wrote:
|Lewis wrote in message <38306305...@teleport.com>...
|>There is no more power being transmitted by a GSM or TDMA phone, than by
|>an analog or CDMA phone.
|I don't know what the total power consumption is by TDMA/CDMA, but CDMA uses
|it's power spread over a wider range. Any given frequency will actually
|have less power than TDMA, and either will have less than analog.
Canadian PCS and Smartphone information available at:
http://www.islandnet.com/~morag/pcs/
Lewis
>
> Lewis wrote in message <38306305...@teleport.com>...
> >There is no more power being transmitted by a GSM or TDMA phone, than by
> >an analog or CDMA phone.
> >
>
> I don't know what the total power consumption is by TDMA/CDMA, but CDMA uses
> it's power spread over a wider range. Any given frequency will actually
> have less power than TDMA, and either will have less than analog.
>
But, what difference does it make if the power is being radiated at 820
or 840 MHz?
Lewis
W. Joseph Wineburgh
PCS/SPRINT). From what I have gathered, 1900 is much closer to the
microwave band, and doesn't need as much power to cook your brain...
Take a look at the posts from a few weeks in comp.dcom.telecom or
www.telecom-digest.org Nice discussion about digital power level
averaging...
#JOE
On Tue, 16 Nov 1999 21:28:17 -0800, Lewis <los...@teleport.com>
wrote:
ccr...@my-deja.com
2 Watts, DCS 1800MHz (GSM, but similar to our PCS 1900 band) phones
have a maximum transmit power of 1W.
In article <Pine.GSO.3.95.iB1.0.991116100615.24404D-100000@vtn1>,
Steven Hurdle <ya...@victoria.tc.ca> wrote:
> Keep in mind that you can't directly compare power outputs between
GSM
> and CDMA phones. A GSM phone may output power at a full watt, much
more
> than any CDMA phone I'm familiar with, and most GSM phones seem to
output
> in the 0.4-0.8 watt range. However, it's only outputting this (if
memory
> serves) 1/8th of the time because of the time-sharing nature of the
TDMA
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