popelka <pop...@gvtc.com> wrote in message
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> Bought a Qualcomm phone on e-bay that has an outstanding bill for
> ~$100. Sprint will not activate the phone until the bill is paid.
>
> BEWARE of buying phones on Internet. The unpaid bill goes along with
> the equipment.
Buying cellular phones on ebay is very dangerous. The dangers of buying
Sprint PCS phones are well-documented in this newsgroup, as described
above. I imagine other technologies have similar hazards.
Buying GSM phones has its own, different hazards. Because the account
is based on the SIM card, not the phone, I think it should be OK to buy
one if the seller hasn't paid his bill. BUT, most of these phones are
locked to a specific carrier and won't accept SIMs from other carriers,
a fact that the sellers almost never disclose (many of them probably
don't even know it). Don't buy a GSM phone on ebay unless the seller
specifically advertises that it's unlocked, or that it was originally
bought for the carrier YOU plan to use it on.
Unfortunately, the only way to be safe is don't buy cell phones on
ebay. From what I've seen, they don't exactly go for bargain prices,
considering the risks and considering what carriers are charging for
new, subsidized phones.
Mike
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"popelka" <pop...@gvtc.com> wrote in message
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Here's a link you should bookmark / make as a favorite to reference other
CDMA systems worldwide. http://www.cdg.org/ .Click on the CDMA worldwide
link on the left, and then further filter what you are looking for in.
Bob
>Can't stop it when I saw the posting. Try to put it on eBay again. Accpet
>overseas bidder only. Like Japan. Hm.. Is 1900 CDMA US only? Hope not.
>Anyone knows what is the frequency of J CDMAOne?
It's not that simple. The phone is almost certainly subsidy locked; it can
only be used with Sprint.
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It does, and this is true of quite a few carriers. I would suggest posting
a negative feedback to the seller on eBay, and raising a HUGE stink to that
person in e-mail over this. If that person is not going to pay the bill,
then s/he owes you the cost of that phone.
>popelka wrote:
>>
>> Bought a Qualcomm phone on e-bay that has an outstanding bill for
>> ~$100. Sprint will not activate the phone until the bill is paid.
>>
>> BEWARE of buying phones on Internet. The unpaid bill goes along with
>> the equipment.
>
>Buying cellular phones on ebay is very dangerous.
Only if you want to activate them and use them legitimately. ;-)
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In article <38683f8d...@news.gvtc.com>,
pop...@gvtc.com (popelka) wrote:
> Bought a Qualcomm phone on e-bay that has an outstanding bill for
> ~$100. Sprint will not activate the phone until the bill is paid.
>
> BEWARE of buying phones on Internet. The unpaid bill goes along with
> the equipment.
>
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Before you buy.
I'd disagree with that, if anything becasue I've sold phones on eBay that I
no longer had use for... relics from back in the day when Sprint didn't
cover the places I traveled and I had to carry like 6 phones just to get
coverage.
But then, I pay my bills, and care about my feedback on eBay. =)
Me too. I have a plus rating on Ebay with no negatives and have a
Sprint Qualcomm 2700 phone for sale, not yet on Ebay, and I wouldn't
want some asshole ruining it for the rest of us legit sellers.
Steve
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Entertainment Weekly.
Of course the problem is, how can Joe Buyer tell the difference between
you and the others? And don't discount the possibility that those other
sellers are also legit sellers who just aren't informed about all the
gotchas with selling cellular phones (like subsidy locks) and so don't
even know that they are selling a phone to someone who may not be able
to use it?
> > Me too. I have a plus rating on Ebay with no negatives and have a
> > Sprint Qualcomm 2700 phone for sale, not yet on Ebay, and I wouldn't
> > want some asshole ruining it for the rest of us legit sellers.
> >
>
> Of course the problem is, how can Joe Buyer tell the difference between
> you and the others? And don't discount the possibility that those other
> sellers are also legit sellers who just aren't informed about all the
> gotchas with selling cellular phones (like subsidy locks) and so don't
> even know that they are selling a phone to someone who may not be able
> to use it?
That's why you should ask pointed questions. Ask if they've paid their
phone bill, and ask specifically which carrier the phone was used on. If
the seller refuses to answer these questions, don't bid.
Ask if it has a subsidy lock. If the seller doesn't know, then assume it
does UNLESS the phone is straight analog. Most GSM handsets sold in the US
have subsidy locks, as do Sprint PCS and Primeco phones. Analog carriers,
however, rely on contracts to ensure their "investment" on the phone
subsidies are recovered.
I even go so far as to offer the winning bidder the phone's ESN if they
request it, so that they can check with the carrier themselves if the phone
can be activated without difficulty before sending payment. With digital
phones, the ESN isn't the only thing required to activate the phone, so
cloning isn't much of a concern.
Forget eBay.... I had the exact same problem buying a phone from Radio
Shack. It took 6weeks to get it straightened out.
>Forget eBay.... I had the exact same problem buying a phone from Radio
>Shack. It took 6weeks to get it straightened out.
More details please. Was it a corporate store or a franchise store? Did
you talk to the store manager? You certainly would not have had a big problem
at our store. Even if you were accidentally sold a phone that was to be
shipped to remac, and when you got home, it couldn't be activated, when you
came back, it would have been swapped pronto.
I hesitate to ask why you didn't just return the phone and insist on a
refund, and then get another one from a different retailer.
WndrGrl
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On my own equipment, my own time.
Not the opinion or position of Sprint PCS.
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Regards,
Paul
WndrGrl <wnd...@hotmail.com> wrote in message
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>I had the same experience with a Radio Shack retail store in Houston, TX.
>They sold me an allegedly new dbStarTAC.
[Story of an obviously used phone being sold as new elided.]
>I must comment that this experience at Radio Shack was for me a totally
>isolated one.
My understanding is that Radio Shaft is not like normal stores: they
apparently cannot(*) return items to the Tandy warehouse for credit.
If an item is defective, it goes to a Tandy repair center, and then
back out on the floor to be sold to some sucker at full price. If it's
beyond repair, it goes onto the junk table, possibly with a price
markdown. If they still can't sell it, the store eats the "cost" (it
shows up as a loss on the store's Profit & Loss statement, and comes
right out of the store's bottom line). This, combined with a liberal
corporate return policy, spells trouble for the unwary customer.
RS managers are compensated in part based on the profit made by the
store; thus, markdowns and writeoffs not only reduce the performance
of the store and make the manager look bad, it also directly affects
the manager's compensation. Needless to say, there is a STRONG
incentive to sell used, broken, or defective merchandise, rather than
to take a loss on it. This can lead to numbers games where a given
item might be sold and returned numerous times before it finally winds
up in the hands of some sucker who is too lazy (or unable) to return
it and thus stays sold.
To relate a recent experience of my own, I recently bought an FM radio
antenna which had been thoroughly abused by some prior purchaser: the
main beam was bent, the plastic snaps that lock the elements in place
were all broken, the instruction sheets were missing, the bag of
hardware was missing, etc. etc. When I got home and discovered that
I'd been sold damaged goods, I of course brought it back to the store
immediately. The store manager wrote up the return and didn't even ask
me why I was returning it - he apparently already knew full well why
it was coming back.
Bottom line: *always* inspect *any* Radio Shaft purchase carefully
BEFORE you pay for it. If it shows any signs of having been
opened/used, insist on a factory fresh item; if they don't have one,
there are plenty of other Radio Shaft stores. Or, better still, skip
Radio Shaft altogether and buy from a store which doesn't try to
resell damaged/defective goods.
(*) This appears to be true for RS branded items; it may not be the
case for third party items like Sprint phones. However, store
personnel are probably already in the habit of trying to resell every
return, so even if a SPCS phone *can* be returned to Sprint for
credit, the store personnel might not think to try it.
> Bottom line: *always* inspect *any* Radio Shaft purchase carefully
> BEFORE you pay for it. If it shows any signs of having been
> opened/used, insist on a factory fresh item; if they don't have one,
> there are plenty of other Radio Shaft stores. Or, better still, skip
> Radio Shaft altogether and buy from a store which doesn't try to
> resell damaged/defective goods.
Though there is another downside to this. There have been complaints posted
in here before where people have opened Sprint phones in stores and fondled
them quite a bit, only to have the customer not buy the phone in which case
it gets repacked and ready for the next customer. Personally, I don't have
issues with this as long as they don't really abuse the thing, but others
here don't like the idea of buying phones that at the end of the day are
smudged with fingerprints and handled by just about everyone that walks into
the store. I can see their reasoning.
I do believe though, that Sprint phones undergo a separate return process
from the rest of the RS merchandise. They probably do get shipped back to
some plant for refurbishing/reprocessing. Though chances are, some RS
managers decide to re-use merchandise anyway when they're in a pinch and
someone wants that phone and it's otherwise out of stock.