Ericsson, Nokia partner with Psion - Motorola to follow
Alasdair Manson
Leading Mobile Communications products Manufacturers Partner With
Psion to Create to create major engine of growth for Wireless
Information Devices
Symbian formed to establish new product categories, license wireless
software to all industry players and drive open standards for Wireless
Information Devices.
LONDON, United Kingdom - June 24th, 1998 - It was announced today that
Ericsson, Nokia and Psion have conditionally agreed to form a new
joint venture called Symbian. This agreement is further strengthened
by the support of Motorola who have signed a Memorandum of
Understanding to join Symbian.
The creation of Symbian represents a significant step forward for
consumer and corporate users of mobile technology. The world mobile
phone market is projected to grow to more than 600 million users by
2002. Symbian aims to take a leadership role in the rapidly expanding
Wireless Information Device market. Symbian will enable its owners and
licensees to create user friendly Wireless Information Devices, such
as smartphones and communicators - two new classes of affordable
digital devices which will dramatically increase the user benefits of
mobile computing and communications. Symbian will seek to drive the
convergence of mobile computing and wireless technology, enabling
Internet access, messaging, information access, all within a device
which fits in a shirt pocket.
Initially Psion will own 40% of Symbian with Ericsson and Nokia each
owning 30%. Symbian’s new investors will provide additional resources
and expertise. Symbian intends to license its EPOC operating system to
other smartphone and communicator manufacturers. EPOC is a
non-proprietary scalable operating system for mobile Wireless
Information Devices that provides commercial and technological
advantages for licensees, including customisable user interfaces,
color support, advanced Internet connectivity, and officially
accredited and award-winning PC connectivity software.
The newly appointed CEO of the company, Colly Myers, comments "Symbian
is the start of a new co-operative approach between the world’s
leading innovators in the mobile voice and data market. We plan to
establish EPOC as the de facto operating system for mobile Wireless
Information Devices and further drive innovation and market growth."
Commenting on the Symbian joint venture, Psion’s chairman David Potter
said, "The worlds of mobile computing and mobile communications are
converging and this transaction positions Symbian at the forefront of
this convergence. Symbian aims to establish Psion’s EPOC as an
industry standard operating system for wireless information devices.
We look forward to other global technology firms joining us as
investors in Symbian."
Pekka Ala-Pietilä, President of Nokia Mobile Phones, comments "One of
the main principles of Symbian is to maintain and promote the
top-level usability and scalability both in products and concepts. As
an uncompromised application platform, EPOC forms a reliable and
innovative path towards the next generation mobile communications
devices. For Nokia, the global leader in wireless data, it is a
natural step to be a partner in founding Symbian, a step that will
take wireless devices into the next millennium."
"Ericsson is fully committed to working with industry partners in
bringing about an open common software standard for the benefit of
users everywhere. We are also committed to making best use of our
technology in providing the best products for our customers", says
Johan Siberg, President of Ericsson Mobile Communications AB. "Our
ownership of Symbian is absolutely in line with this and I am excited
about being part of a joint venture company that will deliver major
benefits to this ever-growing market." he adds.
"Motorola is pleased to announce its intentions to become a member of
Symbian", said Fred Kuznik, President Motorola Cellular Subscriber
Sector. "We are deeply committed to global standards to ensure the
continued growth of the wireless industry. Symbian’s efficient EPOC
operating system will enable the Addition of rich functionality to
wireless devices without compromising product performance and
reliability. We are convinced this will be an important element to
creating the connectivity solutions our customers will desire and
demand."
Symbian intends to expand its EPOC licensing, support and development
activities, ensuring a clear distinction between ownership of the
company and licensing activities. The core focus of the new company
will be to license EPOC for a variety of communicators - information
centric products with voice capability, and smartphones - voice
centric devices with information capability.
Colly Myers, CEO of Symbian continues "EPOC offers major advantages to
manufacturers who need to remain competitive and work within a market
standard while retaining their own product differentiation. From a
technical perspective, this is made possible with EPOC’s scalability
and customisable user interfaces."
Crucial to the development of the market for Wireless Information
Devices is a focus on open architectures. Setting de facto industry
standards will increase inter-operability between devices and
ultimately consumer choice. Symbian will work to facilitate key mobile
standards and technologies such as Wireless Application Protocol
(WAP), Java and Bluetooth, ensuring greater flexibility for licensees
and thus encouraging the proliferation of smartphones and
communicators that will benefit corporate clients and consumers alike.
Symbian will seek to ensure that key participants in the wireless
industry collaborate on creating a new market for affordable and
powerful Wireless Information Devices and 3rd party software
solutions. Symbian will be establishing clear product categorisations,
within which licensees and Independent Software Vendors are being
encouraged to develop differentiated product offerings.
-ends-
Notes for Editors
A Press Conference will be held from 1200 GMT today at the Chamber of
Shipping, Carthusian Court, 12 Carthusian Street, London, EC1
Further details on the formation of Symbian may be obtained from
Symbian’s website at www.symbian.com
Journalist and Press Contacts
Symbian
Paul Cockerton
Marketing Communications Manager
Symbian Ltd
+44 171 208 1800
paul.co...@symbian.com
Ericsson
Jan Ahrenbring
Vice President, Marketing and Communications
Ericsson Mobile Communications AB
+46 8 764 1460 or +46 70 590 9900
jan.ahr...@ecs.ericsson.se
Nokia
Liisa Nyyssonen
Communications Manager
Nokia Mobile Phones
+358 10 5051
liisa.n...@nmp.nokia.com
Motorola
Chris Jackson
VP & Director of Marketing
Motorola Cellular Subscriber Sector
+44 1256 790790
Psion
Anthony Garvey
Psion PLC
+44 171 262 5580
anthony...@psion.com
About Symbian Ltd.
Symbian licenses, develops and supports the EPOC operating system -
providing leading software, user interfaces, application frameworks
and development tools for Wireless Information Devices such as
Communicators and Smartphones. Symbian aims to promote standards for
the interoperation of Wireless Information Devices with wireless
networks, content services, messaging and enterprise wide solutions.
With headquarters in London, and offices in Kanazawa, Japan and the
San Francisco Bay Area, USA, Symbian is owned by Ericsson, Nokia and
Psion. Symbian’s website can be found at www.symbian.com
About Ericsson
Ericsson's 100,000 employees are active in more than 130 countries.
Their combined expertise in fixed and mobile networks, mobile phones
and infocom systems makes Ericsson a world-leading supplier in
telecommunications. Ericsson website is at http://www.ericsson.com
About Motorola
Motorola is one of the world's leading providers of wireless
communications, semiconductors and advanced electronic systems,
components and services. Major equipment businesses include cellular
telephone, two-way radio, paging and data communications, personal
communications, automotive, defense and space electronics and
computers. Motorola semiconductors power communication devices,
computers and millions of other products.
About Nokia
Headquartered in Finland, Nokia is a broad-scope telecommunications
company supplying mobile phones, mobile and fixed telecommunications
networks, data communications solutions, multimedia terminals and
computer monitors. With sales in 130 countries, net sales totaled FIM
52.6 billion ($9.8 billion) in 1997. Nokia, listed on NYSE (NOK.A),
employs more than 38,000 people worldwide. Visit Nokia on web:
http://www.nokia.com
About Psion PLC
Psion PLC is a Financial Times Top 500 company and winner of both the
Queen’s Awards for Technological Achievement and the Queen’s Award for
Export. To date, Psion has shipped over 2.5 million mobile computers
and rugged handhelds world-wide and it continues to lead the field in
the development of handheld business solutions. Psion has over 40
international distributors throughout the world. Psion’s website may
be found at http://www.psion.com
###
Symbian and the EPOC logo are trademarks or registered trademarks of
Symbian Ltd. All other trademarks and registered trademarks are the
property of their respective owners
regards
Alasdair
A Psion Software employee in a personal capacity
(i.e. It's just my opinion - I could be wrong)
R.O.J. Brunsting
Dear Ali,
Congratulations!!
Kind Regards,
Rolf Brunsting - Delft - Netherlands
arno bruns
This sounds very intresting !!
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Erik Sandblom
yes, congrats! way to argue with those pesky windowsCE fans ;-) ! It is
interesting that Ericsson is participating, as they previously were on the
winCE bandwagon with their hpcs.
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Erik Sandblom
Alasdair Manson skrev i meddelandet <3590d1ff...@nntp1.ba.best.com>...
>LONDON, United Kingdom - June 24th, 1998 - It was announced today that
>Ericsson, Nokia and Psion have conditionally agreed to form a new
>joint venture called Symbian. This agreement is further strengthened
>by the support of Motorola who have signed a Memorandum of
>Understanding to join Symbian.
Motorola is there too,
http://nyheter.idg.se/display.pl?ID=980624-CS3
Dimitri Pochet
?? Could someone simply explain to me the rules of the game these giants
are playing ??
Between Mobile Data Initiative, WAP Forum, Wireless Data Forum, Nokia Smart
Messaging, Windows CE Mobile API's, HDML, TTML, WML and now Symbian, who's
the friend of who for what topic ?
Are these just "joint ventures" in the right hand with a knife in the left
one ?
Or reactions to the slowness / inadequacy from official standardization
committees ?
Come on, tell me the truth. Dimitri.
Gerardo Narvaja (no spam)
Dimitri Pochet wrote in message
<01bd9f6b$85b39da0$3fb4...@bol2.telindus.be>...
>?? Could someone simply explain to me the rules of the game these giants
>are playing ??
>
"Follow the money"
Psionist
Hi Ali,
that sounds great !
Vive Psion !
Félicitations ;-))
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For Ali:
Congratulations !!!
This is one of the best news i ever imagined for the EPOC32 OS...
There is only one thing: Psion controls now 40% of the new company
(Symbian) does Psion still have the total control over the development
of future versions of EPOC32 ?
For ALL:
Psion made what MS havent...(Psion + Nokia + Ericsson + Motorola)...
the 3 big ones in wireless phone communications join Psion !!!
In the Homepage of Symbian there is reference to guidelines
for new products running EPOC32 OS including one with a
240x320 pixels LCD res. and w/o keyb. ( the anti - pilot/PsPC ? )
and models with a 640x480 (anti-Jupiter ? )...the "war" is only in
the begin...
BTW, as anyone see today's Psion share Price ? ;-)
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Will Green
Death to Spammers!!! wrote:
> BTW, as anyone see today's Psion share Price ? ;-)
Yep I certainly have ;) For those who haven't seen it: it surged up
143.5p to 423.5p yesterday (June 24th), the shares are now worth more
than double what they were a week ago! Shame I didn't own any :(
This is great news for Psion, they now have the muscle to take on WinCE.
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Andrew Johnson
Death to Spammers!!! wrote:
>
> In the Homepage of Symbian there is reference to guidelines
> for new products running EPOC32 OS including one with a
> 240x320 pixels LCD res. and w/o keyb. ( the anti - pilot/PsPC ? )
> and models with a 640x480 (anti-Jupiter ? )...the "war" is only in
> the begin...
I don't think that's particularly new - it sounds very like the Philips
communicator device launched several months ago (which runs EPOC32), and
cradles a Philips mobile phone. Not sure about the precise screen
resolution of it though - if you're interested you'll be able to find a
reference to it through the Symbian or Psion web-sites.
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Albert Nurick
Wonderful! It looks like we're going to have an interesting
horserace here, with Epoc, PalmOS, and WinCE battling for the
handheld marketplace.
The consumer is going to be the big winner here, no matter which
platform takes the lead.
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Kai Rohrbacher
Hi!
Dimitri Pochet (dpo...@hotmail.com) wrote about "Symbian : Ericsson, Nokia partner with Psion - Motorola to follow":
> ?? Could someone simply explain to me the rules of the game these giants
> are playing ??
The potential market is simply way off too big to miss any chance in
participating, I guess.
> Between Mobile Data Initiative, WAP Forum, Wireless Data Forum, Nokia Smart
> Messaging, Windows CE Mobile API's, HDML, TTML, WML and now Symbian, who's
> the friend of who for what topic ?
Symbian shall become the _operating system_ to facilitate the applications
ontop of it. Having support from the big players Nokia, Ericsson and
Motorola already, it's surely something to watch. (However, IMHO, I guess
that if it'll be a success, Bill Gates will integrate it into Windows CE,
2002_or_whatever... :-)
WAP subsumizes HDML/TTML and thus, may become the open standard for *text-
based* wireless communications. But if we are talking future, then text-
based communications will not suffice anymore. Taking into account that
JAVA has gained strong support in the "regular" internet world and
bandwidth won't be the restrictive factor anymore in the next generation
of mobile phones to come (see UMTS with its 2Mbps channels), chances are
that synergy effects will lead to JAVA-based apps, running ontop of
whatever OS will be most appropriate for the SmartPhones.
Anyway, proprietary solutions won't stay successful for a long time
anymore.
> Or reactions to the slowness / inadequacy from official standardization
> committees ?
Surely.
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In article <35927D...@ast.cam.ac.uk>, a...@ast.cam.ac.uk says...
>I don't think that's particularly new - it sounds very like the Philips
>communicator device launched several months ago (which runs EPOC32), and
>cradles a Philips mobile phone. Not sure about the precise screen
>resolution of it though - if you're interested you'll be able to find a
>reference to it through the Symbian or Psion web-sites.
>
>-- Andrew
Its a new resolution for EPOC machines !...
The Philips uses ( or, it will use ) a res. of 640x200...
BTW, the 240x320 devices gonna use a switchable orientation
(Landscape or Portrait)
Jan Flodin
Very interesting, but what has that to do with PalmPilot? Am I in the
wrong newsgroup?...
Let's see....
No, I think I am in comp.sys.palmtops.pilot
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Alasdair Manson
On Sat, 27 Jun 1998 13:56:00 GMT, Jan Flodin <d...@tel.fmv.se> wrote:
>Very interesting, but what has that to do with PalmPilot?
I felt the news was of general interest to anybody involved in mobile
devices. As such, it is of potential interest to Pilot owners.
I'm sorry it's not of interest to you specifically, so you have my
apologies.
regards
Alasdair
A Symbian employee in a personal capacity
Andrew Harmsworth
It is allways a judgement decision, but I felt this was appropriate news
for this newsgroup.
I am disappointed they didn't team up with Pilot - I may have some tough
decisions soon, I love my Pilot, and I love my Nokia 6190
Andrew
Death to Spammers!!!
In article <35922907...@shef.ac.uk>, pha...@shef.ac.uk says...
Shame on you ;-)
You havent followed my advice some months ago in the thread
"In the END, Psion Wins!!!!"
MarkF(USA)
Dump the Pilot. Mine does however make a great paper weight after I have
printed out the documents I wrote using my HP620LX.
Andrew Harmsworth wrote in message <359536FA...@uniserve.com>...
David R. Barbour
What this is, is an attempt by some big players in the wireless communication business to determine their own destiny
without relying on Microsoft, who is not a communication giant, from setting the standard. Ericsson has made a decision
to move away from Window CE devices and platforms. If the Communication Giants of today do not drive their own destiny
as far as products (Hardware/software) is concerned, they will not be the Giants of the future. The battle ground
between them and Microsoft is now! That's why the big three are teaming up to ensure that Microsoft does not become #4!
DRB
Rafael
I wonder what GEOS is doing?
Nigel Ballard
>I wonder what GEOS is doing?
Nokia were their highest-profile users, but after the already completed 9020
SmartPhone ships that will be the last Nokia product to use Geos.
Cheers Nigel
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Hunchfront
It makes good sense for this to happen as the only real stumbling block was
the association with Psion. Now that Symbian is a company in its own right,
EPOC (with its thousands of existing users) is far more stable than CE in
this particular market. Ericsson and Phillips have 'Smart' phones, and Nokia
have obviously had the 9000 series Communicators. With Ericsson already in
the CE market, as are Phillips with their Velo, Psion must be wondering what
is going on, and it would be a good question.
Microsoft have now gotten three versions of CE lurking around the industry
1.x, 2.0 and now 2.1. Most of these devices hover around the £300 to £900
price range, but their connectivity is abysmal. I believe that the Palm 3 is
a good machine (I cannot afford one to give an appraisal as I currently have
Newton 2100 - please don't kill me for that!), but suffers a little from
connectivity issues as it does not give PCMCIA support.
Since EPOC can now be ported onto a smart platform where good functionality
is added to a good communications transport structure, I believe that there
is a significant market out there who need proper remote access (something
like the Shiva servers) from these clients. If Motorola decided to go down
this route then the mobile 'giants' would be giving our friends at Microsoft
something to consider a little more seriously.
Just my humble opinion
Hunch
Martin Nisshagen
Rafael [.] wrote:
> I wonder what GEOS is doing?
It will probably be killed with this (Nokia was with it's 9000 machine one
of last major manufacture with some new line of consumer devices to use it).
I suspect that CE will be the only competition of some importance for EPOC
now (and it won't be able to compete very much in the cellular market until
at least CE 3.0, and even at that time it will be difficult with the three
biggest vendors owning EPOC and using that).
Best regards,
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In article <6nfqqs$6gd$1...@tarantula.europe.shiva.com>, dw...@europe.shiva.com says...
>have obviously had the 9000 series Communicators. With Ericsson already in
>the CE market, as are Phillips with their Velo, Psion must be wondering what
Ericsson is going to drop the CE handhelds (IMHO ) and the future
models of handhelds made or selled by Ericsson will also use
EPOC32, read this:
http://www.techweb.com:80/wire/story/TWB19980626S0008
Death to Spammers!!!
In article <35a46b42.31715875@nyheter>, Add...@MySig.com says...
>I suspect that CE will be the only competition of some importance for EPOC
>now (and it won't be able to compete very much in the cellular market until
>at least CE 3.0, and even at that time it will be difficult with the three
>biggest vendors owning EPOC and using that).
>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
Exactly !!!
Here in Portugal what people really want to buy is a Nokia or a Ericsson
(Motorola in 3rd...), they dont care about the OS or uP...
These are the 3 bigger and most wanted brand's of cellular phones...
MS already have loosed the cellular phone market...
Jan Flodin
But we as readers sign up for the news groups we want. That is, if we want
general information on PDA's as such, we also subscribe on these groups, so
we will get the information. In this group, we only want information
regarding just Palm Pilot. I strongly believe that "cross-posting" is
misused. We, the readers, can use use "cross reading", effectively, to cover
our areas of interest. I WAS interested in the information when I read it in
comp.sys.palmtops and I share your disappointment.
Jan
Andrew Harmsworth wrote:
> It is allways a judgement decision, but I felt this was appropriate news
> for this newsgroup.
>
> I am disappointed they didn't team up with Pilot - I may have some tough
> decisions soon, I love my Pilot, and I love my Nokia 6190
>
> Andrew
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Hi!
David R. Barbour (drb...@ibm.net) wrote about "Re: Symbian : Ericsson, Nokia partner with Psion - Motorola to follow":
> What this is, is an attempt by some big players in the wireless
> communication business to determine their own destiny without relying on
> Microsoft, who is not a communication giant, from setting the standard.
Exactly. IMHO, it's simply sorta "anti-Bill-Gates-alliance" to stop MS
from dominating the upcoming smartphone-market, too.
The race for the OS is now between WindowsCE and EPOC -but personally, I'm
not that sure that MicroSoft has lost the battle, yet: The cellular phone
world and the regular telecommunications market converge. Thus, standards
from the Windows-dominated PC-world will affect the cellular services more
and more. (Look for example how MS runs out Netscape by simply integrating
their Internet Explorer into the operating system: That's the way a market
leader can kill threatening concurrents...!)
> Ericsson has made a decision to move away from Window CE devices and
> platforms. If the Communication Giants of today do not drive their own
> destiny as far as products (Hardware/software) is concerned, they will not
> be the Giants of the future. The battle ground between them and Microsoft
> is now!
I'd subscribe to that. However, I hope (and see chances) that the customer
won't necessarily be the victim in this fight: Much the same as JAVA
doesn't rely on a special OS, it could be quite uninteresting which OS
will be the basis of the forthcoming cellular phone generation -as long as
the applications run independently of the OS!
Nevertheless, the normal MS-warning applies here: Look at MS' strategy to
kill JAVA exactly for that reason and you know what kind of battle we will
be facing tomorrow in the cellular OS & application market. Watch out!
JF Mezei
Death to Spammers!!! wrote:
> BTW, EPOC32 suports PCMCIA, CF Cards and also the new and very
> small (very important for smartphones)
> MMC cards (ROM, Flash or I/O)...and AFAIK CE doesnt support MMC's...
They'll need to add support for the smart cards which are part of the GSM culture.
As far as processors are concerned, it doesn't matter at all, as long as the
phone can handle the amount of data at at a speed to maintain the GSM specs
with regards to timing.
Death to Spammers!!!
>They'll need to add support for the smart cards which are part of the GSM cultur
>e.
Agree, but thats why if you have read:
http://www.techweb.com:80/wire/story/TWB19980626S0008
you see that Psion receives $66.8 million in cash and the rest
($30 million) in terms of (many) wireless protocols (inc. Bluetooth)...
>As far as processors are concerned, it doesn't matter at all, as long as the
>phone can handle the amount of data at at a speed to maintain the GSM specs
>with regards to timing.
'Timing' is the key...only EPOC32 is a position to deliver that...
The uP's are important, because the idea is to have ONLY one
uP (instead of 2 uP's or 1 uP and 1 uC) to control *everything* inside
the phone...inc. soft. modem...
We need not only a *fast* uP but also a OS that is *fast*, *reliable*
and with very good timing control...
hurley bryan
problems...
GEOS will be around...
check out the comp.sys.geos.misc NG.
bryan
In article <35a46b42.31715875@nyheter>,
Martin Nisshagen <martin-a...@spam.sucks.hate.it> wrote:
>Rafael [.] wrote:
>
>> I wonder what GEOS is doing?
>
>It will probably be killed with this (Nokia was with it's 9000 machine one
>of last major manufacture with some new line of consumer devices to use it).
>
>
>I suspect that CE will be the only competition of some importance for EPOC
>now (and it won't be able to compete very much in the cellular market until
>at least CE 3.0, and even at that time it will be difficult with the three
>biggest vendors owning EPOC and using that).
>
>Best regards,
>
>m a r t i n | n
>