9290 on Att&t wireless?
Cody Walker
Thanks for the answers.
-Cody
R. Ryerson
PDA attached.
Richard
"Cody Walker" <co...@codywalker.com> wrote in message
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demonZ
a regular number?
"R. Ryerson" <rrye...@on.aibn.com> wrote in message
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Cody Walker
reference that the only two providers in the US that will support it are
VoiceStream and Cingular. But I would think that ATT would also. would it be
that hard to program it for ATT? Thanks for any info you can give.
-Cody
"demonZ" <speed4...@NOSPAMattbi.com> wrote in message
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Phillip
pzo
observation, increasingly deemed correct.)
No, ATTWS doesn't know. Anything. I bought a 9100il for the
phone/PDA, if I can get net access, that's a bonus. I got the phone,
have been testing the PDA functions, very good. Now ready to switch
my TDMA to GSM. ATT store won't sell me a SIM, despite telling me
earlier they would. Bought one on eBay for $8. Yahda yahda yahda! Not
here yet.
The ATTWS GSM folks seem a good deal wiser, even if they convey the
bad news that ATT doesn't support CSD. I think the number is:
866-293-4634, or try 1-866-626-9620. All the other CS know only what
their training monkeys tell them, all about M-Life, GPSR, etc. I'll
give them this, they have always been very polite and try really hard
to find out what I want to know.
I'll guess that ATT won't get on the CSD wagon, they are overwhelmed
financially with this transition to GSM, G-something, EDGE, GAIT, etc.
Too bad, as Cingular & VS coverage and programs suck. There's a good
chance that Cingular and ATTWS might merge early next year, who knows
what will happen to the CSD? I thought, OK, maybe I can get a Cinular
account out of, say, Austin, (they aren't here in CO) use no cost
roaming, roll over minutes. Nope. Only good in Texas, no national
coverage unless you buy the national plan that is like ATT's highest
price plan. No rollover, either, and a two year commitment! I hate
this industry!
VS has a prepaid SIM, mentioned here on a post. The bad news is that
the lowest cost per minute is 20 cents, and what you don't use of your
$50 worth in 60 days is money in their CEO's pocket. Still, it could
be a viable option for some, especially if you knew that you were
using it for just awhile. Of course, their coverage is spotty at best.
Even if I wanted to switch to VS, I would lose my number and be hit
with $175 cancellation fee. It was $10 per unused month when I signed
up 2 years ago. I hate this industry! (They also changed nighttime
minutes from 8PM start to 9PM. Worthless, now, to me.) Did I mention
I hate this industry?
I'll be damned if I'm going to pay GPSR per kilobyte rates, HSCSD is
still only in those less advanced developing nations like Malaysia,
and no one knows a damn thing. I hate this industry!
Frankly, I think Nokia needs to put in some other data transmission
options in the Communicator liek GPSR, and having TDMA or AMPS or 1800
GSM wouldn't hurt, either. Let's see, I'm to spend $600 and up for a
phone I can use only in parts of the USA and Canada? It's only a chip
and firmware, not mechanical, for pete's sake. It wouldn't hurt for
Nokia to push, maybe even help financially, ATTWS to add CSD. That
would shoot 9290 sales through the roof. Right now, a great product
and no decent network.
I found a phone number, user name, and password for the Cingular
GSM-CSD network. I presume that it won't work with my 9000il, but
when I dial it with my TDMA phone, it certainly is a modem answering!
I'll give it a try when I get my SIM.
Having fun in the hinterlands,
PS: Anyone have a registration key for the Intellisync for the 9000?
Puma doesn't sell/service it anymore, but it has a 30 day limit.
There oughtta be a law, if you don't support a product, it's public
domain and keys are provided gratis. Imagine if Bill Gates gave away
Windows 95 to developing nations free!
So,
"Phillip" <ph...@mchsi.com> wrote in message news:<k%Ba9.191002$983.331398@rwcrnsc53>...
Todd Allcock
> "The technology isn't the problem. It's the wireless carriers." (My
> observation, increasingly deemed correct.)
> this industry!
Perhaps, but we're to blame for it! "We" don't want to pay what
phones really cost, and want to change phones as often as we change
underwear. So we get multi-year contracts, and phones locked to the
providers who "gave" them to us.
> Even if I wanted to switch to VS, I would lose my number and be hit
> with $175 cancellation fee. It was $10 per unused month when I signed
> up 2 years ago.
Probably for you it's still $10/month- generally the terms of your
contract don't change- UNLESS- you changed phones or rate plans,
thereby extending or modifying your original contract.
> I hate this industry! (They also changed nighttime
> minutes from 8PM start to 9PM. Worthless, now, to me.)
Cingular, in my area, went from 8pm to 10pm, then back to 9.
> Did I mention
> I hate this industry?
Maybe you expect too much from it?
> I'll be damned if I'm going to pay GPSR per kilobyte rates, HSCSD is
> still only in those less advanced developing nations like Malaysia,
> and no one knows a damn thing. I hate this industry!
So you don't want to pay for high speed anyway, but are also griping
that the carrier you want to use isn't compatible with the type of
high speed access the phone you _didn't_ buy from them uses?
Maybe you expect too much?
Obviously the US got cellular "too early" and ended up with 3 or 4
incompatible digital transmission methods, but that's changing- you'll
have what Europe has in a few years- one digital standard nationwide.
You're just a little early.
> Frankly, I think Nokia needs to put in some other data transmission
> options in the Communicator liek GPSR, and having TDMA or AMPS or 1800
> GSM wouldn't hurt, either.
Why? As far as Nokia is concerned, in the US, the wireless companies
are their customers- not you or I. Why would Voicestream (GSM) want
to pay Nokia extra for CDMA compatability? To help you switch to
Sprint or Verizon as soon as their rates go "on sale"?
> Let's see, I'm to spend $600 and up for a
> phone I can use only in parts of the USA and Canada?
Sure- since your carrier probably paid $650 for it! ;-)
> It's only a chip
> and firmware, not mechanical, for pete's sake.
> Nokia to push, maybe even help financially, ATTWS to add CSD. That
> would shoot 9290 sales through the roof.
Please- the high-end cell phone market is tiny, comparably. Probably
50-100 3300-series Nokias are sold for each 9200-series Communicator.
Obviously Nokia doesn't expect to sell a lot in the US or they
would've created TDMA or CDMA versions for other carriers- instead,
like the original 9000-series, they simply altered the Eurasia GSM
version for the US GSM market- no other version would be worth the
expense of R&D-ing.
I understand your frustration with the wireless biz, but I can still
remember back 15-years ago when we were still wearing sh!t-eating
grins that we could make phone calls from our cars- even if every
other call dropped from dead-spots! Now we b!tch that we can't get
clear reception on a subway train and that we can't get nationwide
wireless broadband internet included in our $25/month calling plans!
pzo
> pa...@paulv.net (pzo) wrote in message news:<fffebc4b.02083...@posting.google.com>...
> > "The technology isn't the problem. It's the wireless carriers." (My
> > observation, increasingly deemed correct.)
>
> > I hate
> > this industry!
>
> Perhaps, but we're to blame for it! "We" don't want to pay what
> phones really cost, and want to change phones as often as we change
> underwear. So we get multi-year contracts, and phones locked to the
> providers who "gave" them to us.
I'd rather have the option to pay full freight. As it is, we have a
witch's brew of who makes the phones, who sells the phones, who owns
the phones, who owns the phone but doesn't have the right to use the
phone with another carrier even after contract expiration, who owns
the cell number....and on it goes. I think that our cell numbers were
to become "portable", i.e., usable with any carrier effective November
this year. Due to some strong lobbying by You-Know-Who, that has been
postponed by another several years.
Why are they so afraid of losing customers? If company A loses a
customer to company B, company B will also be losing customers to
company A. The real difference is that if company C started offering
truly competitive service, A & B would lose their customers. In a
nutshell, the companies would rather keep us customers in their pen
and not truly compete.
>
> > Even if I wanted to switch to VS, I would lose my number and be hit
> > with $175 cancellation fee. It was $10 per unused month when I signed
> > up 2 years ago.
>
> Probably for you it's still $10/month- generally the terms of your
> contract don't change- UNLESS- you changed phones or rate plans,
> thereby extending or modifying your original contract.
A good point. Unfortunately I HAVE changed plans.
>
> > I hate this industry! (They also changed nighttime
> > minutes from 8PM start to 9PM. Worthless, now, to me.)
>
> Cingular, in my area, went from 8pm to 10pm, then back to 9.
>
> > Did I mention
> > I hate this industry?
>
> Maybe you expect too much from it?
>
>
> > I'll be damned if I'm going to pay GPSR per kilobyte rates, HSCSD is
> > still only in those less advanced developing nations like Malaysia,
> > and no one knows a damn thing. I hate this industry!
>
>
> So you don't want to pay for high speed anyway, but are also griping
> that the carrier you want to use isn't compatible with the type of
> high speed access the phone you _didn't_ buy from them uses?
>
> Maybe you expect too much?
No, I accept AT&T doesn't have CSD, although obviously I would like it
to. What I'm bitching about are what I would term "Policies &
Procedures." I can understand why a company would charge a
cancellation fee the first year; they probably subsidized the phone
and each new suscriber represents a capital investment. But why
should a by-now loyal customer be treated like new? Why are prepaid
plans expiring in 30 or 60 days instead of up to a year like in
Europe? Why are we charged for incoming calls when Europeans aren't?
(Frankly, I'm amazed by that one!) Why can't we get per minute charges
instead of packages? (I would bet that few people use close to the
minutes they pay for, hence the telco's reap more money for less use
of facilities.) Why do they charge 4X-5X the cost per minute if you
run over? Does it cost THEM more? Of course not! Why does it cost
$175-$200 to cancel a plan, but if they change the terms, depending on
carrier, you get either no opportunity or a 14 day window to cancel?
Since they ALL treat us like captive pigs, "the market" is obviously
not working!
>
> Obviously the US got cellular "too early" and ended up with 3 or 4
> incompatible digital transmission methods, but that's changing- you'll
> have what Europe has in a few years- one digital standard nationwide.
> You're just a little early.
Considering that Nokia was selling the 9000 here in 1997, I think of
our telcos as "too late."
>
> > Frankly, I think Nokia needs to put in some other data transmission
> > options in the Communicator liek GPSR, and having TDMA or AMPS or 1800
> > GSM wouldn't hurt, either.
>
> Why? As far as Nokia is concerned, in the US, the wireless companies
> are their customers- not you or I. Why would Voicestream (GSM) want
> to pay Nokia extra for CDMA compatability? To help you switch to
> Sprint or Verizon as soon as their rates go "on sale"?
In Europe and much of the world you can go into your local Nokia or
Ericson or whatever store and get your phone's ROM upgraded, unlocked,
etc. None of this captive to the telco BS.
>
> > Let's see, I'm to spend $600 and up for a
> > phone I can use only in parts of the USA and Canada?
>
> Sure- since your carrier probably paid $650 for it! ;-)
That was rhetorical, since the Communicator series, to my knowledge,
has never been sold through the telcos, but only through Nokia and
some authorized dealers. The current 9290 is unsubsidized at $600
most places. My phone is a new, but old 9000il I bought for $145.
>
> > It's only a chip
> > and firmware, not mechanical, for pete's sake.
> > Nokia to push, maybe even help financially, ATTWS to add CSD. That
> > would shoot 9290 sales through the roof.
>
> Please- the high-end cell phone market is tiny, comparably. Probably
> 50-100 3300-series Nokias are sold for each 9200-series Communicator.
> Obviously Nokia doesn't expect to sell a lot in the US or they
> would've created TDMA or CDMA versions for other carriers- instead,
> like the original 9000-series, they simply altered the Eurasia GSM
> version for the US GSM market- no other version would be worth the
> expense of R&D-ing.
It's a vicious circle. No changes because of small sales, small sales
due to limited usability.
>
> I understand your frustration with the wireless biz, but I can still
> remember back 15-years ago when we were still wearing sh!t-eating
> grins that we could make phone calls from our cars- even if every
> other call dropped from dead-spots! Now we b!tch that we can't get
> clear reception on a subway train and that we can't get nationwide
> wireless broadband internet included in our $25/month calling plans!
Trust me, I've been there and done that. PacBell, 1986. $45/mo w/o
any airtime, 45 cents/min prime time, 27 cents otherwise, $1700 for my
transportable "car phone." I marvel at what PCS has done, but my
"problems" have little or nothing to do with the technology, but the
way we are treated by corporate policies.
BTW, the Wall Street Journal had a recent article about how the telcos
are increasing fees, now that they can't attract new customers. They
are seeking 2-3% by charging more for cancellation, information,
Sprint's minutes remaining, reduced night hours, and even to talk to a
live human being - $3 on one Sprint program! Unfortunately, the
article is not available online, only by subscription. (The Rocky
Mountain News published it last week.)
So I ask the "market fundametalists", why isn't this working better
for the consumer?
Warren Arnold
list price, and works fine on VS and AT&T - but, without CSD support
from AT&T and GPRS support on the 9290, it is a very large and heavy
phone/PDA to carry around. If Nokia ever gets their act together and
adds GPRS (and the Opera browser), it will be a great gadget. On VS it
works great for dial up to my ISP, email, WAP on VS network, as well as
GPRS via the IR and my T68 (also on VS).
pa...@paulv.net (pzo) wrote in article
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Todd Allcock
> elecc...@gtcinternet.com (Todd Allcock) wrote in message news:<e24b77b9.02090...@posting.google.com>...
> > pa...@paulv.net (pzo) wrote in message news:<fffebc4b.02083...@posting.google.com>...
> I'd rather have the option to pay full freight. As it is, we have a
> witch's brew of who makes the phones, who sells the phones, who owns
> the phones, who owns the phone but doesn't have the right to use the
> phone with another carrier even after contract expiration...
That's the one that bugs me- after their contract is up, the customer
should have the right to have the phone unlocked by the carrier for no
charge. If not, customers should be told in great big letters on the
phone box "This phone cannot be used with ANY other provider ever!"
>, who owns
> the cell number....and on it goes. I think that our cell numbers were
> to become "portable", i.e., usable with any carrier effective November
> this year. Due to some strong lobbying by You-Know-Who, that has been
> postponed by another several years.
To be fair, they still have NO idea how to implement that! (Short of
simply forwarding calls to their competitors!)
> Why are they so afraid of losing customers? If company A loses a
> customer to company B, company B will also be losing customers to
> company A.
Because they pay about $150 in subsidies everytime we get a new phone.
If you flip from A to B annually, over $10/month of your service fee
is "paying off" your last phone upgrade. (I used to sell these damn
things!)
> The real difference is that if company C started offering
> truly competitive service, A & B would lose their customers.
In many US markets there are 5 or more competitors and they are fairly
competitive in phone prices and service plans-- at least for voice
calls! ;-)
> In a
> nutshell, the companies would rather keep us customers in their pen
> and not truly compete.
Please- in many cases cell phone service
pzo
> Because they pay about $150 in subsidies everytime we get a new phone.
> If you flip from A to B annually, over $10/month of your service fee
> is "paying off" your last phone upgrade. (I used to sell these damn
> things!)
Obviously they were perfectly comfortable letting me contract expire
after one year, hardware subsidy and all. Sure, if a person buys a
new phone with subsidy, I have no problem with contract terms and
cancellation fees. However, I'm presenting a whole different
scenario. If I start service with a land line telco, I don't get hit
with a fee for cancelling.
>
> > The real difference is that if company C started offering
> > truly competitive service, A & B would lose their customers.
>
> In many US markets there are 5 or more competitors and they are fairly
> competitive in phone prices and service plans-- at least for voice
> calls! ;-)
neighborhood has less to do with the cost of gas as compared to what
"the other guys are doing." I noticed that the basic Cingular program
in California gives 300 minutes, in Austin its 200. Same price.
>
> > In a
> > nutshell, the companies would rather keep us customers in their pen
> > and not truly compete.
>
> Please- in many cases cell phone service
Your last comment to be cut off...
Todd Allcock
> BUT I'm talking about using the same bleepin' phone for three years!
> Obviously they were perfectly comfortable letting me contract expire
> after one year, hardware subsidy and all.
Right- and you were able to cancel w/o penalty at that point, unless
you upgraded phones, or took a promotional rate plan that required a
contract.
> Sure, if a person buys a
> new phone with subsidy, I have no problem with contract terms and
> cancellation fees. However, I'm presenting a whole different
> scenario. If I start service with a land line telco, I don't get hit
> with a fee for cancelling.
True, but in most cases you can sign up with any wireless carrier w/o
contract if you supply your own phone. Often the rate plans aren't as
good, but you don't HAVE to enter a contract.
> THEY are competitive like the gas stations are. The price of gas in a
> neighborhood has less to do with the cost of gas as compared to what
> "the other guys are doing."
Which is how all competition works- some guy drops the price as low as
he's able, and the others either match it or lose business. Gas is
probably the most competitive product on the market- gross profit on
gas is about 3 or 4 cents per gallon- a margin of 2 or 3%. What else
can you or I buy for wholesale + 2%? (I know a local station owner
who sells gas for cost, just to lure folks in to buy overpriced soda
and snacks. He has the cheapest gas in town, but doesn't offer "pay
at the pump" to force you into the store!)
> I noticed that the basic Cingular program
> in California gives 300 minutes, in Austin its 200. Same price.
Cingular is GSM in California which limits it's use in rural areas (no
analog mode for backup.) Austin is TDMA/AMPS and those Cingular
phones will work anywhere. GSM carriers often lead the market on
price to make up for their sytematic lack of coverage compared to
"true" cellular carriers with analog roaming.
> > Please- in many cases cell phone service
>
> Your last comment to be cut off...
Yeah- the shortcomings of using a PocketPC- I must dragged the stylus
over the rest on the way to the "post" button!
I was going to that in many cases, wireless is as cheap/cheaper than
landline for many folks. Voicestream gives me 3000 (I never use more
than 1500!) anytime minutes, caller ID, voicemail, etc for $50. My
local phone service runs about $40 (I live just outside the KC metro
and have to pay a surcharge for a "local" KC number), and caller ID is
$8 extra.
And wireless is certainly cheaper today than ever before, give or take
a few bucks, so I guess I don't fully understand your complaints about
the industry. Certainly it could improve, but wireless, IMHO, is a
shining example of the power of competition- imagine how competitive
cable TV or landline phone service could be if everyone had 4 or 5
competitors to select from!