Another big finger from Verizon to would be Droid customers - extra high monthly rates
New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009
I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
AT&T. Every iPhone has this capability. I love it even though I am
now retired and have no business need for instant email etc.
The Droid is advertised as being able to do Microsoft Exchange
ActiveSync like the iPhone.
Now the world's most over rated expensive cellular network has
released its prices to use that feature for their new Google Droid
customers.
--
Would you believe...
The industry is abuzz over the Motorola Droid, the first Google
Android 2.0-based smartphone, to be released on Friday, Nov. 6, in the
United States, with network access provided by Verizon Wireless. But
users who buy the device and expect to use its built-in Microsoft
Exchange ActiveSync support to get corporate e-mail from Exchange
servers will have to pay an additional $15 per month for the
privilege, Verizon confirms today.
This is one top of the revelation this morning that Verizon's version
of the Droid will lack multitouch while carriers in Europe will have
the same phone with multitouch. That means no high powered multitouch
games ported from the iPhone - ever.
And this thing was supposed to be an iPhone competitor?
Really?
ROFL
Mark Crispin
> I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
> Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
> AT&T.
Which includes an additional fee for a data plan over AT&T plans which do
not have a data plan.
> users who buy the device and expect to use its built-in Microsoft
> Exchange ActiveSync support to get corporate e-mail from Exchange
> servers will have to pay an additional $15 per month for the
> privilege, Verizon confirms today.
Which is the fee for the data plan over Verizon plans which do not have a
data plan. Just like AT&T has.
Apple fanboys must be getting desperate. It's no wonder, as Steve Jobs is
dying and garbage like the iPod Shuffle 3G shows the future direction of
Apple.
-- Mark --
http://panda.com/mrc
Democracy is two wolves and a sheep deciding what to eat for lunch.
Liberty is a well-armed sheep contesting the vote.
Dennis Ferguson
> This is one top of the revelation this morning that Verizon's version
> of the Droid will lack multitouch while carriers in Europe will have
> the same phone with multitouch. That means no high powered multitouch
> games ported from the iPhone - ever.
Of course the phone which Verizon is selling is not the same phone
which is being sold in Europe; the Verizon phone is a CDMA version
of the GSM/3G original.
To produce the CDMA version required changing to a different baseband
chipset, maybe from a different vendor, and required significant
redesign work to fit the bigger chips into the same case. My guess
would be that multitouch depended either on some feature of the GSM
chipset which the CDMA chipset lacked, or on another part which could
no longer be made to fit after the redesign.
I've heard that producing models of the same phone with different
radio technologies is trivial, but that doesn't seem to be the case.
Dennis Ferguson
Todd Allcock
wrote:
> This is so funny from my view point I can not stop laughing.
>
> I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
> Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
> AT&T. Every iPhone has this capability. I love it even though I am
> now retired and have no business need for instant email etc.
>
> The Droid is advertised as being able to do Microsoft Exchange
> ActiveSync like the iPhone.
>
> Now the world's most over rated expensive cellular network has
> released its prices to use that feature for their new Google Droid
> customers.
>
> --
> Would you believe...
>
> The industry is abuzz over the Motorola Droid, the first Google
> Android 2.0-based smartphone, to be released on Friday, Nov. 6, in the
> United States, with network access provided by Verizon Wireless. But
> users who buy the device and expect to use its built-in Microsoft
> Exchange ActiveSync support to get corporate e-mail from Exchange
> servers will have to pay an additional $15 per month for the
> privilege, Verizon confirms today.
AFAIK, that's Verizon's official policy on all smartphones. In actuality
you don't need to pay the extra to get Exchange to work. A few years ago
AT&T used to charge an extra (equally unnecessary) $5/month for
"corporate Exchange access" as well.
That's three anti-Droid posts from you in two days, Vic. Are you afraid
of this thing for some reason? Seems like any other "iPhoney" to me. I
don't know why you're getting so worked up about it...
Larry
@newsfe24.iad:
> That's three anti-Droid posts from you in two days, Vic. Are you afraid
> of this thing for some reason? Seems like any other "iPhoney" to me. I
> don't know why you're getting so worked up about it...
>
He's stuck in the White zone on EDGE and is waiting for his email to
download.....
http://phones.verizonwireless.com/3g/imgs/attmap.jpg
Pitiful......really pitiful....
--
Larry
Per Rønne
> At 02 Nov 2009 14:46:43 -0800 New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009
> wrote:
> > This is so funny from my view point I can not stop laughing.
> >
> > I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
> > Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
> > AT&T. Every iPhone has this capability. I love it even though I am
> > now retired and have no business need for instant email etc.
> >
> > The Droid is advertised as being able to do Microsoft Exchange
> > ActiveSync like the iPhone.
> >
> > Now the world's most over rated expensive cellular network has
> > released its prices to use that feature for their new Google Droid
> > customers.
> That's three anti-Droid posts from you in two days, Vic. Are you afraid
> of this thing for some reason? Seems like any other "iPhoney" to me. I
> don't know why you're getting so worked up about it...
Every iPhone user should know that a certain success to the competitors
will ensure that Apple improves the iPhone.
Improvements? Open the APIs for calendar and alarms to third party
developers.
Develop an application enabling iPhone owners to use it as an FM
receiver. And develop a new phone enabling DAB and DAB+.
No reason to go around more gadgets than necessary ... and listen to
radio through data streaming is dear.
--
Per Erik R�nne
http://www.RQNNE.dk
Errare humanum est, sed in errore perseverare turpe
New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009
> On Mon, 2 Nov 2009, New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009 posted:
>
> > I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
> > Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
> > AT&T.
>
> Which includes an additional fee for a data plan over AT&T plans which do
> not have a data plan.
>
Dennis
This about Android the 'iPhone killer' compared to the lowly iPhone.
There are no extra fees for the iPhone to use Microsoft Exchange
ActiveSync.
To have this feature enabled in the 'iPhone killer' on Verizon the
poor customer has to pony up an EXTRA $15 A MONTH.
Greed my little one, greed from the biggest overrated cellular network
in the USA.
New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009
Do you think Apple should produce an inferior iPhone with out multi-
touch just so Verizon can have one, like Google did with the Android?
New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009
No, I am concerned for my friends who may be misinformed about the
Droid. That is going to be a painful mistake for a lot of them. They
may think they are getting the latest and greatest in technology only
to find out within a few months they got screwed by a big phone
company's advertising and now they are locked in two year contract.
I think everyone should go pick one of these up from Verizon and try
it for a day or two then return it in order to get your money back.
Even I will probably do that. That way everyone can appreciate even
more the difference between Verizon's crippled Droid limitations and
a real iPhone.
Todd Allcock
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On Nov 3, 12:29 am, Todd Allcock <eleccon...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote:
>> That's three anti-Droid posts from you in two days, Vic. Are you afraid
>> of this thing for some reason? Seems like any other "iPhoney" to me. I
>> don't know why you're getting so worked up about it...
> No, I am concerned for my friends who may be misinformed about the
> Droid. That is going to be a painful mistake for a lot of them. They
> may think they are getting the latest and greatest in technology only
> to find out within a few months they got screwed by a big phone
> company's advertising and now they are locked in two year contract.
There is a small subset of the cell phone buying public who will not/can not
use AT&T service for whatever reason, and will stick with Verizon Wireless
regardless. Given that, I'd put this question to you: of all the phones
offered by Verizon, which would you recommend to those people that would
give the most iPhone-like experience?
Seems to me the Droid is certainly high on that list, if not at the top.
> I think everyone should go pick one of these up from Verizon and try
> it for a day or two then return it in order to get your money back.
> Even I will probably do that. That way everyone can appreciate even
> more the difference between Verizon's crippled Droid limitations and
> a real iPhone.
So, what's your complaint? That Verizon has crippled the Droid by adding
limitations not present on a non-Verizon model, whereas AT&T is selling a
device that was pre-crippled by its manufacturer?
Bill Sanderson
figures:
How much is your plan with AT&T?
So far, you've done a lot of complaining without publishing the relevant
figures.
$15 a month is cheaper than other data plans, but I don't know what is
included--haven't looked at the press release yet.
So--if AT&T's deal is better, publish your figures so we can see how bad
this is?
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Mark Crispin
> Crippling of features is SOP with VZW.
Not on any smartphones.
> Last I heard, something as
> simple as transferring a file to your phone via Bluetooth OBEX was
> disabled on VZW phones because they're afraid you'll transfer
> ringtones over to your phone for free instead of paying ridiculous
> prices to buy them from Verizon.
That was last done years ago, as in Motorola V710 days. Modern VZW dumb
phones have allowed OBEX for years.
iPhone does not allow OBEX and never will. If OBEX is the measure of
whether or not a phone sucks, then iPhone sucks worse than any modern VZW
phone.
Mark Crispin
> There are no extra fees for the iPhone to use Microsoft Exchange
> ActiveSync.
There is an extra fee to use an iPhone, including all its data services,
as opposed to an ordinary dumb phone. It is called the data plan.
There is an $15 fee to use the Droid, including all its data services, as
opposed to an ordinary dumb phone. It is called the data plan.
> To have this feature enabled in the 'iPhone killer' on Verizon the
> poor customer has to pony up an EXTRA $15 A MONTH.
Which is less that what the poor consumer on AT&T has to pony up to use an
iPhone instead of an ordinary dumb phone.
> Greed my little one, greed from the biggest overrated cellular network
> in the USA.
Yes, AT&T sure is greedy.
But it's a good place to stash all the obnoxious kids and keep them off
the working network.
Todd Allcock
""Per R�nne"" <p...@RQNNE.invalid> wrote in message
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> Every iPhone user should know that a certain success to the competitors
> will ensure that Apple improves the iPhone.
Most are aware. Some, like Vic and Oxford, already believe it's perfect in
every way...
...until Apple releases the next model.
> Improvements? Open the APIs for calendar and alarms to third party
> developers.
I'd like that- I use Funambol's SyncML-based open source software to keep
all of my PCs and devices in sync, but the iPhone version of Funambol lacks
Calendar support for that reason, so I have to use Google Sync via EAS.
> Develop an application enabling iPhone owners to use it as an FM
> receiver. And develop a new phone enabling DAB and DAB+.
>
> No reason to go around more gadgets than necessary ... and listen to
> radio through data streaming is dear.
That's the double-edged sword of selling one model worldwide. DAB would
increase costs for the millions of iPhones sold in places that don't have it
(e.g. the United States), and frankly, until recently, no iPod included any
broadcast radio support, so I suspect Apple doesn't consider it a priority.
Instead, Apple has tried to encourage mobile operators to offer
larger/unlimited data plans on their partner carriers worldwide, allowing
streaming audio to take the place of FM/DAB/etc.
Mark Crispin
> So, if Verizon's service will be such a bad deal, let's hear the actual
> figures:
> How much is your plan with AT&T?
> So far, you've done a lot of complaining without publishing the relevant
> figures.
They don't want to discuss that. It's much easier for fanboys to publish
misleading statements, and let people draw incorrect conclusions.
Deep down inside, the fanboys are quite insecure. The iPhone is an
expensive fashion statement for them. They are terrified that fashion may
go elsewhere and once again they will be the oddball geeks.
Android is particularly terrifying to them. Android is already available
on many more carriers than iPhone, and even AT&T has joined the bandwagon.
Todd Allcock
"Mark Crispin" <m...@panda.com> wrote in message
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> On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009 posted:
>> There are no extra fees for the iPhone to use Microsoft Exchange
>> ActiveSync.
>
> There is an extra fee to use an iPhone, including all its data services,
> as opposed to an ordinary dumb phone. It is called the data plan.
>
> There is an $15 fee to use the Droid, including all its data services, as
> opposed to an ordinary dumb phone. It is called the data plan.
No, Verizon's "smartphone data" plan is $30 the same as AT&T's. What Vic's
post referenced is Verizon's $44.99 "corporate email" data plan referenced
only on their business plan pages, like this:
<http://b2b.vzw.com/productsservices/wirelessemail/voicedatacallingplans.html>,
which, according to Verizon, is required for Exchange Activesync on any
PDA/smartphone, not just the Droid.
In reality, Exchange works fine on the $30 data plan, same as with AT&T.
Exchange Activesync works via HTTP, so any plan that allows mobile web
browsing will allow EAS.
The only guess I can make as to this not-actually-required "requirement," is
that the $44.99 plan includes Verizon's Intellisync-based "Wireless Sync"
middleware solution, which while not required for EAS, allows Exchange to be
used on non-EAS compatible phones by providing a wireless sync conduit
between the corporate user's desktop PC and the device. I suspect some
overzealous person in the marketing department decided this Wireless Sync
feature made the $45 plan "required" for corporate Exchange access.
Richard B. Gilbert
> Last time on alt.cellular.attws, "New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7,
> 2009" <vic.h...@gmail.com> said:
>
>> This is so funny from my view point I can not stop laughing.
>>
>> I have free Microsoft Exchange ActiveSync for my iPhone's Gmail,
>> Google calendars, and notes in my basic el cheapo iPhone plan with
>> AT&T. Every iPhone has this capability. I love it even though I am
>> now retired and have no business need for instant email etc.
>>
>> The Droid is advertised as being able to do Microsoft Exchange
>> ActiveSync like the iPhone.
>>
>> Now the world's most over rated expensive cellular network has
>> released its prices to use that feature for their new Google Droid
>> customers.
>
> simple as transferring a file to your phone via Bluetooth OBEX was
> disabled on VZW phones because they're afraid you'll transfer
> ringtones over to your phone for free instead of paying ridiculous
> prices to buy them from Verizon.
>
Only when they get some serious competition! I wouldn't hold my breath
while waiting.
Richard B. Gilbert
What the hell is "OBEX". First time I've heard of it.
Per Rønne
> ""Per R�nne"" <p...@RQNNE.invalid> wrote in message
> news:1j8lhl5.11d406rokwkwmN%p...@RQNNE.invalid...
>
> > Every iPhone user should know that a certain success to the competitors
> > will ensure that Apple improves the iPhone.
>
> Most are aware. Some, like Vic and Oxford, already believe it's perfect in
> every way...
>
> ...until Apple releases the next model.
>
> > Improvements? Open the APIs for calendar and alarms to third party
> > developers.
>
> I'd like that- I use Funambol's SyncML-based open source software to keep
> all of my PCs and devices in sync, but the iPhone version of Funambol lacks
> Calendar support for that reason, so I have to use Google Sync via EAS.
I use Pocket Informant - which has to synchronize with Google Calendar
and ToodleDo.
> > Develop an application enabling iPhone owners to use it as an FM
> > receiver. And develop a new phone enabling DAB and DAB+.
> >
> > No reason to go around more gadgets than necessary ... and listen to
> > radio through data streaming is dear.
>
> That's the double-edged sword of selling one model worldwide. DAB would
> increase costs for the millions of iPhones sold in places that don't have it
> (e.g. the United States),
Well, in Denmark the FM band will close in a few years and after yet
another few years only DAB+ will be left.
I guess it will be the same in most other developed countries. Except in
the US where such state involment seem to be considered 'socialist' and
'communist'.
You don't even have common cell phone standards.
> and frankly, until recently, no iPod included any broadcast radio support,
> so I suspect Apple doesn't consider it a priority.
>
> Instead, Apple has tried to encourage mobile operators to offer
> larger/unlimited data plans on their partner carriers worldwide, allowing
> streaming audio to take the place of FM/DAB/etc.
Which is simply dear for us customers.
No multi touch for slugish Motorola phone - a former wannabe iPhone killer
Mark yo9u are not qualified to post since any idiot could see that the
$15 surcharge is on top of Verizon's vocie and data charges which are
similar to the iPhone casic charges.
let me guess you are a product of public schooling in the USA?
No multi touch for slugish Motorola phone - a former wannabe iPhone killer
Bull feathers
AT&T has just sued in federal court those making misleading
statements, you might want to lawyer up.
No multi touch for sluggish Droid- “There's A Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
> Last time on alt.cellular.attws, Mark Crispin <m...@panda.com> said:
>
> >On Tue, 3 Nov 2009, Scott in SoCal posted:
> >> Crippling of features is SOP with VZW.
>
> >Not on any smartphones.
>
> inaccessible on VZW phones like the CrackBerry? Are CrackBerries not
> considered to be smartphones?
>
I just read a report that BlackBerries and the iPhone now totally own
the Smartphone market. All the rest of the so called smart phone
manufactures posted bad or declining results in the third quarter.
Todd Allcock
> What the hell is "OBEX". First time I've heard of it.
It's the ability to transfer files from one device to another wirelessly
via bluetooth. (IIRC, it stands for "OBject EXchange")
Traditionally, Verizon used to omit it rom their phones to encourage
(force?) customers to use MMS to send pictures from camera phones to
computers, or to purchase ringtones and wallpapers from Verizon for their
phones rather than "beam" them from a PC for free.
Conroy
<vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The industry is abuzz over the Motorola Droid, the first Google
> Android 2.0-based smartphone, to be released on Friday, Nov. 6, in the
> United States, with network access provided by Verizon Wireless. But
> users who buy the device and expect to use its built-in Microsoft
> Exchange ActiveSync support to get corporate e-mail from Exchange
> servers will have to pay an additional $15 per month for the
> privilege, Verizon confirms today.
>
> This is one top of the revelation this morning that Verizon's version
> of the Droid will lack multitouch while carriers in Europe will have
> the same phone with multitouch. That means no high powered multitouch
> games ported from the iPhone - ever.
Droid has multitouch.
The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
http://phandroid.com/2009/11/03/motorola-droid-multi-touch/
Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
George
was an accurate statement and maps of 3G coverage. Carriers know that
fanbois such as yourself are big on "mine is bigger than yours" so it is
simply an embarrassment for AT&T not a misleading statement.
Todd Allcock
> iPhanboy Vic wrote:
>
> > Bull feathers
> >
> > AT&T has just sued in federal court those making misleading
> > statements, you might want to lawyer up.
> >
> They brought a suit alleging there are misleading statements. All I saw
> was an accurate statement and maps of 3G coverage. Carriers know that
> fanbois such as yourself are big on "mine is bigger than yours" so it
> is simply an embarrassment for AT&T not a misleading statement.
You're far more savvy than the average customer, though. The ads are
obviously implying that the white spaces (indicating no 3G) indicate no
coverage at all. (According to the article, Verizon already removed a
voice-over describing the on-screen customer outside a 3G area as "out of
touch," at AT&T's request.)
)
Having said that, fair is fair. Every ad I see from AT&T trumpeting
their "nationwide 3G network" has a tiny little disclaimer at the bottom
that says "Not available in all areas." Well, Verizon just pointed those
areas out!
Bill Sanderson
news:pN%Hm.74$ky1...@newsfe14.iad...
>
> No, Verizon's "smartphone data" plan is $30 the same as AT&T's. What
> Vic's post referenced is Verizon's $44.99 "corporate email" data plan
> referenced only on their business plan pages, like this:
> <http://b2b.vzw.com/productsservices/wirelessemail/voicedatacallingplans.html>,
> which, according to Verizon, is required for Exchange Activesync on any
> PDA/smartphone, not just the Droid.
>
> In reality, Exchange works fine on the $30 data plan, same as with AT&T.
> Exchange Activesync works via HTTP, so any plan that allows mobile web
> browsing will allow EAS.
>
> The only guess I can make as to this not-actually-required "requirement,"
> is that the $44.99 plan includes Verizon's Intellisync-based "Wireless
> Sync" middleware solution, which while not required for EAS, allows
> Exchange to be used on non-EAS compatible phones by providing a wireless
> sync conduit between the corporate user's desktop PC and the device. I
> suspect some overzealous person in the marketing department decided this
> Wireless Sync feature made the $45 plan "required" for corporate Exchange
> access.
That seems like a likely explanation to me.
Neither the marketing folks nor the average customer have a full
understanding of the technology.
Bill Sanderson
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>
> Droid has multitouch.
> The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>
> http://phandroid.com/2009/11/03/motorola-droid-multi-touch/
>
> Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using Iphones
or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for personal accounts
for the same service? This doesn't seem like something they would take
kindly to doing.
No multi touch for sluggish Droid- “There's A Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
> On Nov 2, 5:46 pm, "New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009"
>
>
> > of the Droid will lack multitouch while carriers in Europe will have
> > the same phone with multitouch. That means no high powered multitouch
> > games ported from the iPhone - ever.
>
> Droid has multitouch.
> The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>
not utilize this feature which you have just demonstrated IS possible.
There is little to no reason why it cannot be done as far as we all
know.
The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
and Motorola in the USA.
You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
to you with the crippleware Droid.
Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
satisfaction rating.
Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
Todd Allcock
"No multi touch for sluggish Droid- "There's A Lawsuit For That ..." AT&T
Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads" <vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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On Nov 4, 3:19 am, Conroy <conroy.n...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Nov 2, 5:46 pm, "New Easy Free iPhone Unlock Nov 7, 2009"
>
>
> > This is one top of the revelation this morning that Verizon's version
> > of the Droid will lack multitouch while carriers in Europe will have
> > the same phone with multitouch. That means no high powered multitouch
> > games ported from the iPhone - ever.
>
> > Droid has multitouch.
> > The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>
> The default apps that could use it most (browser, pictures, maps) do
> not utilize this feature which you have just demonstrated IS possible.
>
> There is little to no reason why it cannot be done as far as we all
> know.
Sure there is- compatibility and effort.
> The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
> and Motorola in the USA.
> You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
> featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
> to you with the crippleware Droid.
I suspect it's a compatibility issue. There are certain advantages (as well
as disadvantages) to the vertical model of the iPhone- one company
controlling the hardware and software. On an OS used by competing
manufacturers like Android, or Windows Mobile, there will be cases where the
hardware outpaces the software. The Android OS itself (and its core apps)
do not utilize multitouch, so when Motorola comes along and creates a
multitouch handset, they have to build the multitouch UI themselves, at
least until the OS catches up. HTC is having this same problem with their
"Leo," a device with a capacitance multi-touch screen running a Windows
Mobile OS designed for a single-touch screen with precision input (e.g. a
stylus point a few pixels wide rather than a finger tip 30-40 pixels wide.)
HTC is building an entire new UI for it, which is bound to break
compatibility with a pile of pre-existing apps and functions, particularly
drawing apps expecting a stylus tip, or "transcriber" handwriting
recognition input.
Take PCs or Macs, for example. If a company invents a new peripheral, say,
a ten-button mouse, how would that be integrated with the OS? There's no
built-in function for "mouse button 9" so the company would have to write a
driver and try to integrate the extra functions the best they can into the
OS that doesn't "understand" the extra functions (look how awkwardly the
"third" mouse button was implented on PCs at first, for example.) With
Andoid, there's nothing already "built in" for finger 2 or finger 3, etc. to
do. Motorola would have to rewrite the entire input interface software to
get multitouch to work OS-wide, and risk breaking compatibility with the
existing apps only expecting a single finger. It's far easier to just write
specific apps that utilize the extra fingers.
> Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
> intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
> satisfaction rating.
> Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
> compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
Your "pain free" smartphone comes with its own set of aches and pains.
Choice is a good thing.
No 'Pinch and Zoom' for sluggish Droid- “There's A Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon
Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
> The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
> and Motorola in the USA.
> You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
> featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
> to you with the crippleware Droid.
>
> Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
> intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
> satisfaction rating.
> Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
> compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
It seems very sloppy to “have multitouch capabilty” but not make it
work in the most used applications.
Imagine in Windows if you had to right click in some apps but left
click in others. It would be crazy. Yet android releases 2.0 with base
apps void of the function. Pretty inconsistent and sloppy which will
lead to unnecessary frustration for a Verizon Droid user.
it is more accurate to say the Doid lacks 'Pinch and Zoom', the
hardware does support multitouch. It just doesn't have the nice iPhone
UI designed for touch screens.
Pinch & Zoom is incredibly handy. I use it on my iPhone all the time
when I’m browsing. A lot of times I’ll be on a website with a link I
want to click, but it’s in the middle of a dozen other links that I do
not want to click, and my finger just can’t get in there to hit the
right one because the text is too small. So I pinch-zoom in and voila,
problem solved. If I had to double-tap to zoom, I might hit the wrong
link and then waste time loading the wrong page, backing out to the
previous page, and then trying to double-tap zoom again.
What is the point of paying big bucks to use the nations most over
rated network when they can only offer you a device that will waste
your time trying to get the right web page all the time?
No 'Pinch and Zoom' for sluggish Droid- “There's A Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon
Lawsuit For That ...” AT&T Sues Verizon Over New TV Ads
<vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> The question is why are Droid users left out in the cold by Verizon
> and Motorola in the USA.
> You can download apps all day long that add 'mullti touch" as a
> featreu but it will not benefit you at all with the key core apps sold
> to you with the crippleware Droid.
>
> Face it, it is a big bag of hurt when you could have made a more
> intelligent choice for a pain free Smart Phone with a 99% user
> satisfaction rating.
> Even the resale value on bailing out of the Droid will be painful
> compared to the high resale value of the iPhone.
It seems very sloppy to “have multitouch capabilty” but not make it
Todd Allcock
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> "Conroy" <conro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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>>
>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
>
> I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using
> Iphones or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for
> personal accounts for the same service? This doesn't seem like something
> they would take kindly to doing.
I'm not sure it's enforced on iPhones any longer (it was "news" when the
original iPhone just launched, but I haven't heard any complaints about it
in a while), but on this chart:
<http://www.wireless.att.com/businesscenter/popups/general/available-data-rate-plans.jsp#pda?wtLinkName=Smartphone&wtLinkLoc=BDY>,
it's the first plan listed: "PDA Enterprise." Like the similar Verizon
plan, the chart claims it's necessary for "Microsoft Direct Push" (aka
Exchange Activesync) which it isn't, but does seem to be required for AT&T's
"middleware" solutions like Good Messaging.
In reality, I suspect these plans are also designed to recapture lost
revenue from corporate discounts. When a wireless carrier offers a large
volume customer like the Federal Government or a Big Corporation a 30-40%
discount, slapping on a $45 data plan instead of a $30 allows them to get
the $30 or so they really want for the data plan, instead of the $20 or so
they'd have left after the discounts are applied to the standard $30 plan.
Besides, if cellular users have accepted that "unlimited" smartphone data
plans are more expensive than "unlimited" dumbphone data plans because
smartphones, on average, consume more data, why not extend that logic to
corporate plans, since business users probably, on average, use more data
than consumers? We, as cellular consumers seem to have accepted "device
profiling" as de rigeur. Imagine if, instead, they profiled _users_ instead
of devices: say, by offering unlimited texting to teenagers for $30/month,
adults for $15, and seniors for $5. I wonder if we'd take it in stride as
easily?
No 'Pinch and Zoom' for sluggish Droid- Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination starting Nov 15,2009
“advanced devices”
Do you realize how much that Droid si really going to cost you?
Verzion's advertzing and fanboys suck you in and when you find out you
have a POS you are out almost $400 to break your Droid contract!
This is a new low in cellular contracts in the USA!
"Starting on November 15th Verizon will be charging up to $350 as an
early termination fee on “advanced devices.” This new “improved” fee
does have a minute silver lining (if you can even say that): for every
month of service completed, the $350 sum will decrease by $10. No word
yet on what an “advanced device” constitutes but we can use our
imaginations to figure it out. What do you think? Anyone considering
abandoning plans to buy the DROID after hearing this news, or are you
just going to get yours before November 15th? Or will you actually be
an honest person and actually honor the contract you sign?"
What happens if you get sick, divorced, or loose your job? How warm
and friendly will that little Droid look to you then?
Suppose Verizon does get a new and improved iPhone next year. Will you
love being locked into a Droid since it will cost you $350 to just get
out out of the contract? Suppose their is a new and improve Android,
will you be able to afford paying $350 plus the cost of the new phone
for the better product with another $350 termnation fee?
Todd Allcock
<vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> It seems very sloppy to �have multitouch capabilty� but not make it
> work in the most used applications.
>
> Imagine in Windows if you had to right click in some apps but left
> click in others. It would be crazy. Yet android releases 2.0 with base
> apps void of the function. Pretty inconsistent and sloppy which will
> lead to unnecessary frustration for a Verizon Droid user.
Again, "Android" doesn't support multi-touch out of the box. Motorola has
added multitouch to the Droid without creating a systemwide interface for
it. Any inconsistancy is on Motorola. Arguably, they only implemented
multitouch to allow "checkbox" comparisons with the iPhone.
> it is more accurate to say the Doid lacks 'Pinch and Zoom', the
> hardware does support multitouch. It just doesn't have the nice iPhone
> UI designed for touch screens.
So? Android supports single touch zoom in/out gestures. So what if it
doesn't match the iPhone UI? It's a different OS and has a different UI.
Besides, I suspect the Android devs will hack pinch/zoom on it within a few
weeks just like they added it to the original T-Mobile G1 Android phone for
those who really want it.
> Pinch & Zoom is incredibly handy. I use it on my iPhone all the time
> when I�m browsing. A lot of times I�ll be on a website with a link I
> want to click, but it�s in the middle of a dozen other links that I do
> not want to click, and my finger just can�t get in there to hit the
> right one because the text is too small. So I pinch-zoom in and voila,
> problem solved. If I had to double-tap to zoom, I might hit the wrong
> link and then waste time loading the wrong page, backing out to the
> previous page, and then trying to double-tap zoom again.
If you used a different phone, you'd use the correct gestures for it,
instead of the ones you had to learn for the iPhone, just like making a left
turn in a boat or an airplane requires a slightly different procedure than
making a left turn in a car.
> What is the point of paying big bucks to use the nations most over
> rated network when they can only offer you a device that will waste
> your time trying to get the right web page all the time?
Ask the 80 million people using that network. I still can't figure out why
more of the 150 million of you using AT&T and Verizon don't use Sprint or
T-Mobile and save $20-30/month! Is that extra 5% coverage worth that much
to you? ;)
Todd Allcock
<vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote in message
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> Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
> �advanced devices�
>
> <http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/11/04/confirmed-verizon-wireless-to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/>
>
> Do you realize how much that Droid si really going to cost you?
Seeing how AT&T and Verizon continually copy each other's moves, how long do
you think it'll be before AT&T mimics that policy? AT&T must be at least a
little tired of people buying an iPhone for $100-200 then paying $200 to
break their two-year contract after a month and using it on T-Mobile. An
estimated 1 million iPhones are on T-Mo right now, vs. roughly 7 or 8
million on AT&T. T-Mo must be laughing hard that the iPhone is probably one
of their most popular handsets and they didn't pay one cent to Apple in
subsidies, or a single dollar in iPhone advertising.
There's a decent chance that the iPhone may have helped inspire the new
extra-cheap no-subsidy plans T-Mo started offering last week. If you pay
full price for a phone, or bring your own GSM phone, you can get unlimited
"everything" (talk, text and web) for $79. 500 anytime minutes voice (free
M2M and N&W), unlimited text and unlimited web is $59, $10 less than AT&T's
cheapest iPhone plan with no messaging. Or, you and your iPhone could bathe
in Oxford's ubiquitous WiFi and take a voice-only plan for $29.
Sure, you'd give up 3G speed and have to settle for EDGE (something the
original fanboys like you and Oxford continually told us wasn't a hardship
way back in 2007 when the original iPhone "didn't need 3G"!) but you'd save
a bundle, and even get tech support from T-Mo's ironically named
"Unsupported Devices" support team!
Better grab those 3Gs and 3GSes now before AT&T matches Verizon's new ETF
and you can still get them for only $300-400 after cancelling.
Larry
b0a2-43e0-b48...@j19g2000yqk.googlegroups.com:
> I just read a report that BlackBerries and the iPhone now totally own
> the Smartphone market. All the rest of the so called smart phone
> manufactures posted bad or declining results in the third quarter.
>
>
Good ol' Vic. Drinkin' that Apple KoolAid laced with vodka....
Everything is great in Iphoneland.
--
Larry
Dennis Ferguson
I'm not sure that article is correct, but I don't think it is the same
service that you're paying 50% more for. I think the $15 and $30/month
data plans (at both AT&T and Verizon) are NATed, so applications which are
damaged by NAT won't work. The $45 and $60/month data plans (at both AT&T
and Verizon) give the terminal public IP addresses.
Of course there are very few applications which won't work behind a
NAT box but some types of VPNs have trouble with that, which I guess
might be why the $45/month service is a "corporate" service.
Dennis Ferguson
Todd Allcock
> <vic.h...@gmail.com> said:
>
> >Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
> >“advanced devices”
> >
> >http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/11/04/confirmed-verizon-wireless-
to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/
>
> over their asinine Early Termination Fees.
>
> When will they ever learn?
I have no problem with EFTs if they are a quid pro quo for a subsidy.
You get a $500-600 phone for $100-200, and a contracct with EFT is
perfectly fair, IMO. My problem is the contract/EFT for changing rate
plans or other non-subsidy related reasons.
George
> On 2009-11-04, Bill Sanderson <bill_sa...@msn.com.plugh.org> wrote:
>> "Conroy" <conro...@gmail.com> wrote in message
>> news:efbbf141-8217-45b7...@c3g2000yqd.googlegroups.com...
>>> Droid has multitouch.
>>> The integrated web browser does not have multitouch (yet).
>>>
>>> http://phandroid.com/2009/11/03/motorola-droid-multi-touch/
>>>
>>> Also, all data for personal accounts will cost $30/month:
>>> http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2355249,00.asp
>> I'm not convinced this one has it right either--do businesses using Iphones
>> or Smartphones really pony up 50% more than they would for personal accounts
>> for the same service? This doesn't seem like something they would take
>> kindly to doing.
>
> I'm not sure that article is correct, but I don't think it is the same
> service that you're paying 50% more for. I think the $15 and $30/month
> data plans (at both AT&T and Verizon) are NATed, so applications which are
> damaged by NAT won't work. The $45 and $60/month data plans (at both AT&T
> and Verizon) give the terminal public IP addresses.
You get an IP from a routable address block on VZWs $30 plan.
Richard B. Gilbert
> At 04 Nov 2009 19:57:26 -0800 Scott in SoCal wrote:
>> <vic.h...@gmail.com> said:
>>
>>> Confirmed: Verizon Wireless to charge up to $350 early termination on
>>>
>>> http://www.boygeniusreport.com/2009/11/04/confirmed-verizon-wireless-
> to-charge-up-to-350-early-termination-on-advanced-devices/
>> That's simply astounding. VZW just lost a big class action lawsuit
>> over their asinine Early Termination Fees.
>>
>> When will they ever learn?
>
>
> I have no problem with EFTs if they are a quid pro quo for a subsidy.
> You get a $500-600 phone for $100-200, and a contracct with EFT is
> perfectly fair, IMO. My problem is the contract/EFT for changing rate
> plans or other non-subsidy related reasons.
>
>
Do you suffer from Dylsexia? It's ETF not EFT!
Yura
Hey dickhead, I've been able to do that for quite some time on my Iphone
using the App Ibluetooth
Larry
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> Hey dickhead,
Plonk....dickhead....(c;]
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Your Name
"Larry" <no...@home.com> wrote in message
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>
> Plonk....dickhead....(c;]
Pot, kettle, black. :-\
tlvp
> ...
> Having said that, fair is fair. Every ad I see from AT&T trumpeting
> their "nationwide 3G network" has a tiny little disclaimer at the bottom
> that says "Not available in all areas." Well, Verizon just pointed those
> areas out!
New third-grade school-child riddle:
"Why's a 3G network that's not available in all areas said to be nationwide?"
"'Cuz at&t said so, that's why."
Cheers, -- tlvp
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