CNN blasts iPhone and AT&T
Mark Crispin
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News
> http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/biztech/09/22/cnet.iphone.att.coverage/index.html
Recommendation: In a non-Net Neutral world, drop iToy bandwidth waste
to Tier 2.
John Navas
in <alpine.OSX.2.00....@hsinghsing.panda.com>:
>http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/biztech/09/22/cnet.iphone.att.coverage/index.html
This is not a new problem. AT&T was criticized when traffic from
attendees at the South By Southwest conference in Austin, Texas,
overwhelmed the network earlier this year. And there were widespread
complaints about dropped calls and spotty service after the launch of
the iPhone 3G a year ago.
I wondered why, a year later, the service still seemed unreliable. I
called AT&T (on my reliable land line at work) to find out. AT&T
spokesman Mark Siegel blamed the problem on the increasing amount of
data traffic iPhone users are creating, which CNET News and others
wrote about earlier this month.
"We lead the industry in smart phones," he said. "As a result, we are
having to stay ahead of what is incredible and increasing demand for
wireless data services."
I wanted to know specifically why my problems haven't been resolved
nearly one-and-a-half years after getting my iPhone and why my voice
reception would be impacted by data traffic on a different network.
"Well, it wouldn't," Siegel conceded.
Initially, he had suggested that my problems were related to the fact
that the first-generation iPhone uses the EDGE data network, which is
slower than the 3G network. However, not only am I on a different
data network than the 3G data bandwidth hogs, but there should be no
connection between general data usage and my voice reception.
Other factors are at play, though, such as proximity to a cell tower,
the thickness of walls in the building and amount of demand on the
network at the time, according to Siegel.
Asked what AT&T is doing to address the reception problems, Siegel
said the company is rolling out 850 MHz frequency, which penetrates
walls better than the higher frequency 1900MHz band; adding 2,000
cell towers to increase coverage; beefing up its back-haul capacity
that connects the cell towers to the Internet; spending as much as
$18 billion this year to upgrade its wireless and broadband networks;
and moving to the LTE, or 4G, network standard known next year.
"We recognize unique challenges have been posed by all of these smart
devices being increasingly used by more and more people and I think
we are on the forefront of architecting our network to continue to
stay ahead of the demands that those devices place on our network,"
he said.
Despite listing the improvements AT&T plans to make, Siegel kept
insisting that there was no story here; that my concerns and the many
comments on the Apple iPhone forums about reception problems and
dropped calls was not newsworthy.
If you're afflicted by this problem, consider moving to T-Mobile, which
has a new 3G network with ample bandwidth.
Todd Allcock
>
>http://www.cnn.com/2009/TECH/biztech/09/22/cnet.iphone.att.coverage/index.h
tml
> If you're afflicted by this problem, consider moving to T-Mobile, which
> has a new 3G network with ample bandwidth.
Just don't forget to check your AT&T phones at the door, since,
unfortunately,
T-Mo's AWS 3G frequency isn't compatible with AT&T's 3G phones, including,
of course, the iPhone. They'll work fine at 2.5G EDGE, however.
John B. Coarsey, PE
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That was a blast?? Come on Mark.
John B. Coarsey, PE
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Usage is not waste. Go back to your string and tin cans.
News
Usage to wretched excess by design is institutionalized waste. Ask AT&T.
John B. Coarsey, PE
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I give you "by design" but many people are using the internet more with the
iphone, and for that matter other suitably equipped devices. It is just so
much easier on an iphone so people with the phone probably use it more. I am
sure you remember in the early 90's when Microsoft Windows and Office were
emerging. Each new version required more horsepower in ram memory and cpu
speed. There was a lot of complaining but the software became much easier to
use and more powerful, but at very significany hardware costs. Some
complained that it was lazy coding and that it was becoming easier to throw
hardware at the problem than to spend the time to tweek the code. I don't
know what the truth was, maybe some of both but here we are. In my
estimation being able to access the internet the way an iphone does it is
awseome. I also must admit I do not know if there is a more efficient way
deal with the traffic. I was staggered at some of the AT&T statistics. i can
just hope this is real life traffic and not "overhead".
News
Thanks for your thoughtful reply. Indeed, here we are.
I have not heard complaints about 3G modem use (throughput, latency) by
laptop users, so the issue would appear to be confined to iPhone use.
Just why that appears to be the case would be interesting to understand.
Todd Allcock
> I have not heard complaints about 3G modem use (throughput, latency) by
> laptop users, so the issue would appear to be confined to iPhone use.
>
> Just why that appears to be the case would be interesting to understand.
Presumably, AT&T is smart enough to prioritize data usage by plan/device.
A $60/month laptop card user gets to go to the head of the data line, while
iPhones, by virture of their $30 plan cost, go to the back.
John Navas
<elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in <8ZLvm.22009$6f4....@newsfe08.iad>:
AFAIK the data prioritization done by AT&T Mobility is:
1. Data Plan over MEdia Net, but only at the network level, not at the
air interface.
2. Throttling of heavy users, but again only at the network level, not
at the air interface.
At the air interface, voice is almost certainly given priority over any
type of data.
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If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
John Blutarsky
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> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 09:58:37 -0600, Todd Allcock
> <elecc...@AnoOspamL.com> wrote in
> <8ZLvm.22009$6f4....@newsfe08.iad>:
>
>>At 23 Sep 2009 09:08:48 -0400 News wrote:
>>
>>> I have not heard complaints about 3G modem use (throughput, latency)
>>> by laptop users, so the issue would appear to be confined to iPhone
>>> use.
>>>
>>> Just why that appears to be the case would be interesting to
>>> understand.
>>
>>Presumably, AT&T is smart enough to prioritize data usage by
>>plan/device. A $60/month laptop card user gets to go to the head of
>>the data line, while iPhones, by virture of their $30 plan cost, go to
>>the back.
>
> AFAIK the data prioritization done by AT&T Mobility is:
>
> 1. Data Plan over MEdia Net, but only at the network level, not at the
> air interface.
>
> 2. Throttling of heavy users, but again only at the network level, not
> at the air interface.
>
> At the air interface, voice is almost certainly given priority over
> any type of data.
>
Cite?
News
> In article <Xns9C93A34BA12...@188.40.43.213>,
Fire and forget...
John Navas
<bl...@faber.com> wrote in
<Xns9C93A34BA12...@188.40.43.213>:
>Cite?
I wouldn't want to deprive you of the pleasure of doing your own
homework. ;)
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >Cite?
>
> I wouldn't want to deprive you of the pleasure of doing your own
> homework. ;)
you made the claim, you back it up.
John Navas
in <270920091904472892%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
I made no claim. Learn how to read.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> I made no claim. Learn how to read.
learn how to not to be insulting (if that's even possible), and you're
the one that could learn how to read. i noticed you skipped out of the
lens adapter thread when i caught you making yet another gaff.
John Navas
in <270920091939297858%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
How childish. Grow up.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> I made no claim. Learn how to read.
> >
> >learn how to not to be insulting (if that's even possible), and you're
> >the one that could learn how to read. i noticed you skipped out of the
> >lens adapter thread when i caught you making yet another gaff.
>
> How childish. Grow up.
in other words, you can't admit you're ever wrong. it is not i who
needs to do some growing up.
John Navas
in <270920091956278912%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
That the best you can do?
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> "John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote in message
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>> On Sun, 27 Sep 2009 22:02:59 +0000 (UTC), John Blutarsky
>> <bl...@faber.com> wrote in
>> <Xns9C93A34BA12...@188.40.43.213>:
>>
>>> Cite?
>>
>> I wouldn't want to deprive you of the pleasure of doing your own
>> homework. ;)
>>
>> --
>> Best regards,
>> John <http:/navasgroup.com>
>>
>> If the iPhone is really so impressive,
>> why do iFans keep making excuses for it?
>>
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>> In other words, I just made this crap up. :)
Par for the course.
Kurt
Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
Speaking of doing the homework, do a Google search for John Navas and
see what comes up second. LOL
One way to make yourself famous. The girls dig it.
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AT&T discontinued Usenet support as a result of all the complaints.
Seriously though, it's rare that an ISP will do anything about spamming
to Usenet, unless it's threatening or illegal in some way. Our troll is
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because no one believes anything he posts. He _really_ should stop
posting the Cingular charter in this group. He knows it has nothing to
do with this group, but he is unable to do the right thing. That could
be his first step in rehabilitation.
The problem is made worse by so many people responding to the spam he
posts. So you not only kill-file the troll, you have to add filters to
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