100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @ AT&T
1. Cut/Paste
2. Copy/Paste
3. Shake to undo/redo typing
4. Text selection for easy mass deletion
5. MMS
6. Landscape keyboard in Notes
7. Landscape keyboard in Mail
8. Landscape keyboard in Messages
9. Forward texts or picture messages
10. Delete individual texts or picture messages
11. Sending progress bar in Messages app moved to title instead of
over the keyboard area (allows typing new message while the first one
is sending)
11. Sending progress bar in Messages app moved to title instead of
over the keyboard area (allows typing new message while the first one
is sending)
12. USB tethering
13. Bluetooth tethering
14. Stereo bluetooth (A2DP)
15. Spotlight search (searches all app titles, mail, media, contact
details, and calendar appointments)
16. Search in Notes
17. Search in Mail
18. Search in iPod
19. In-App purchases
20. Option to have double clicking the home button go to the Spotlight
Search
21. Option to have double clicking the home button go to the Camera
22. Preview icon in lower left hand corner for last shot taken in
Camera app
23. Shake to shuffle in iPod
24. Scrolling of screenshots in App Store
25. Type of phone used under each call in Recents (i.e., mobile, home,
work, etc.)
26. Call history log (including call duration)
27. Option to Share Contact in each contact listing
28. Hold link in Safari to Copy
29. Hold link in Safari to Open in New Page
30. Auto Fill contact information, usernames and passwords in Safari
31. Login to your YouTube account
32. See Comments in YouTube
33. Subscribe in YouTube
34. Rate in YouTube
35. Shake to undo what you have typed
36. Option to retry sending failed text messages, indicated by red
exclamation point next to text
37. Turn-by-turn GPS capabilities
38. Maps can be run inside other applications
39. Access to dock port for accessories to communicate
40. Peer-to-peer connectivity using Bluetooth (no Wi-Fi required)
41. New Voice memo application
42. Extended Parental controls
43. Anti-phishing
44. Wi-Fi auto login
45. Note syncing in iTunes
46. Improved Stocks app
47. New calendar types (CalDAV)
48. Prompt to confirm deleting a note
49. Prompt to confirm deleting a photo
50. Option to select multiple photos to attach to an email
51. “Find My iPhone” option for MobileMe users
52. Unlimited size podcast downloads over 3G
53. Pushing home button on first home screen takes user to Spotlight
54. Pushing home button on Spotlight takes user to first home screen
55. Variable speed playback for audio books
56. App Store subscriptions
57. Push notifications
58. Audio/Video tags
59. New video streaming capabilities (HTML 5 video, h.264 and HTTP)
60. Calendar subscriptions
61. iTunes login
62. iTunes account creation
63. Encypted profiles
64. LDAP (directory services)
65. VPN on-demand
66. EAP SIM
67. Proxy support
68. OTA profiles
69. Revoke certificates
70. Exchange ActiveSync Policies
71. Media scrubber
72. More languages
73. Improved keyboards
74. Failed app updates now are shown in a duplicate icon and labeled
“Paused”
75. When selecting multiple emails to forward/delete, any unread
emails’ blue dot are shown next to the red selector dot instead of
being overridden by the red selector dot
76. Non-contact phone calls list their city and state of origin in
Recents and Visual Voicemail under the number.
77. Ability to change ringtones straight from Favorites
78. Lap time display now displayed smaller and above time in Stopwatch
79. Polished Phone, Messages, and iPod icons
80. Swipe to delete notes in the Notes app
81. Advanced Bluetooth options for Handsfree devices
82. Option to close a single web page in Safari page view, which
immediately opens a new blank page
83. Improved predictive dictionary
84. Blue dot now displayed in center of location circle in Maps (V1
only)
85. Listening to music while charging the battery now displays the
album art instead of the battery
86. Smaller font for song title on lock screen
87. Option in Phone Settings to choose your phone number
88. Option to disable text message reminder alerts
89. Option to disable text message previews
90. Option to show subject field in text messages
91. Ability to integrate iPod music into apps
92. Clickable email links in App Store app descriptions
93. JavaScript 3x speed boost
94. 11 homescreens now allowed
95. Reboots to “slide to unlock” screen instead of homescreen
96. In Settings>General>Home>Search Results, users can choose what is
searched on the phone and in what order.
97. Application count added in Settings>General>About
98. Option “Load Remote Images” added in Mail settings
99. Global address book option available if Exchange account is set up
100. Speed control in audiobooks
101. 30 second repeat option for audiobooks
102. Improved scrubbing speeds when holding white dot in song progress
bar in iPod
103. When sending a text, your text box where you typed smoothly fades
from white to green instead of instantly changing from white to green.
104. When moving an app across homescreens, holding the app on either
the left or right side will slowly advance the app one through one
homescreen at a time, without leaving empty spots in the bottom right
corner or each homescreen it advances through.
105. Album name displayed on lockscreen iPod controls
106. Shake to shuffle on lockscreen iPod controls
107. Podcasts saved on iPhone now show Run Time, Time Left and Date
Published
108. Screen goes from dimmed to full brightness after each song when
playing the iPod while plugged in
109. WAVE file support in Mail
110. Attachment no longer automatically downloaded until user taps the
attachment in Mail
111. When using a bluetooth headset with iPod, volume bar is removed
and bluetooth headset name is displayed in its place.
112. A hard reset on your phone (holding sleep and home for 10
seconds) now turns it off instead of restarting it.
113. A space is no longer needed between two words for predictive
texting to function.
John Blutarsky
wrote in news:b74950e3-46a3-4b5c-bfbc-8734aae3de61
@o30g2000vbc.googlegroups.com:
> The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
>
> 1. Cut/Paste
My phone does this
> 2. Copy/Paste
My phone does this
> 3. Shake to undo/redo typing
That ought toi be a good thing for the internal electronics
> 4. Text selection for easy mass deletion
My phone does this
> 5. MMS
My phone does this
> 6. Landscape keyboard in Notes
My phone does this
> 7. Landscape keyboard in Mail
My phone does this
> 8. Landscape keyboard in Messages
My phone does this
> 9. Forward texts or picture messages
My phone does this
> 10. Delete individual texts or picture messages
My phone does this
I could go on, but I believe the point is made. Nothing on the list really
brings anything new to the table.
John Doe
> <vic.h...@gmail.com> wrote in
>> The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
>>
>> 1. Cut/Paste
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 2. Copy/Paste
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 3. Shake to undo/redo typing
>
> That ought toi be a good thing for the internal electronics
Shaking an iPhone (or almost any other electronic device) will not
hurt it, Dude.
>> 4. Text selection for easy mass deletion
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 5. MMS
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 6. Landscape keyboard in Notes
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 7. Landscape keyboard in Mail
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 8. Landscape keyboard in Messages
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 9. Forward texts or picture messages
>
> My phone does this
>
>> 10. Delete individual texts or picture messages
>
> My phone does this
>
>
> I could go on, but I believe the point is made. Nothing on the
> list really brings anything new to the table.
Your phone should help clarify your posts, like telling us which
phone you are talking about.
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The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
14. Stereo bluetooth (A2DP)
All work for the 2G as well, (except GPS), including #14 above? Thanks!
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2012 even gets here!
Oxford
> > The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
> >
> > 1. Cut/Paste
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone. you are talking very
primative cut/paste, not the gold standard.
> > 2. Copy/Paste
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 3. Shake to undo/redo typing
>
> That ought toi be a good thing for the internal electronics
what? why would the electronics care?
> > 4. Text selection for easy mass deletion
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 5. MMS
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 6. Landscape keyboard in Notes
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 7. Landscape keyboard in Mail
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 8. Landscape keyboard in Messages
>
> My phone does this
incorrect, not to the level it does on the iPhone.
> > 9. Forward texts or picture messages
>
> My phone does this
good, you got one right!
> > 10. Delete individual texts or picture messages
>
> My phone does this
you are now 2 for 10!
> I could go on, but I believe the point is made. Nothing on the list really
> brings anything new to the table.
which translated means you have never used an iPhone...
john, you're an idiot!
perhaps you need to review the features again?
pltr...@spamlessxhost.org
wrote:
>> The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
>>
>> 1. Cut/Paste
>
>My phone does this
>>....
>
>I could go on, but I believe the point is made. Nothing on the list really
>brings anything new to the table.
No one said it did, you dumb shit. He's simply listing the improvements made
from iPhone 2.2 to 3.0.
Are you really too stupid to understand that, or are you just another "my
phone's better than your phone" moron?
-- Larry
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> I'm too tired/lazy to go through the entire list.
i'm not. :)
> 54. Pushing home button on Spotlight takes user to first home screen
actually, pushing the home button on anything other than the first
screen goes to the first screen, added in 2.2.
and some of them are seriously stretching the definition of 'feature',
such as these:
> 78. Lap time display now displayed smaller and above time in Stopwatch
> 79. Polished Phone, Messages, and iPod icons
> 86. Smaller font for song title on lock screen
and wtf is this?
> 87. Option in Phone Settings to choose your phone number
the phone number is assigned by the carrier and goes with the sim card.
what is the point of changing it in settings?
and this isn't new at all:
> 95. Reboots to �slide to unlock� screen instead of homescreen
and i'm sure millions of users are cheering over this one. no doubt
this was the #1 complaint, far ahead of copy/paste and mms.
John Blutarsky
$c3e...@news.astraweb.com:
Actually, for the list mentioned, it could be any one of a dozen or more
phones, and if you eliminate the landscape keyboard, dozens of phones
would qualify.
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > 54. Pushing home button on Spotlight takes user to first home
> > > screen
> >
> > actually, pushing the home button on anything other than the first
> > screen goes to the first screen, added in 2.2.
>
> but pushing it when at the first home screen takes user to the Spotlight
> screen; you don't have to flick left.
yep and that was covered already:
John Doe
> and some of them are seriously stretching the definition of
> 'feature'...
lol
the original poster was in verbose mode
John Blutarsky
news:apony-FC3582....@news.qwest.net:
>
> which translated means you have never used an iPhone...
Used more than once and still pass on it.
>
> john, you're an idiot!
What's with the names, Oxford? That usually signals that I might be more
correct than you want people to know. My guess is that based on your
archives, I know much more about cellphones than you and present myself as
a much less biased person when it comes to thiese discussions. You have
also made many mistakes in your presentation of fact and opinion in the
past. It's hard to take anything you say seriously.
>
> perhaps you need to review the features again?
Nope- well versed in them. Most are already present on many other phones.
>
John Blutarsky
news:4uaq35pbjh5bv1o5j...@4ax.com:
> On Sat, 20 Jun 2009 17:20:14 +0000 (UTC), John Blutarsky
> <bl...@faber.com> wrote:
>
>>> The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
>>>
>>> 1. Cut/Paste
>>
>>My phone does this
>>>....
>>
>>I could go on, but I believe the point is made. Nothing on the list
>>really brings anything new to the table.
>
> No one said it did, you dumb shit. He's simply listing the
> improvements made from iPhone 2.2 to 3.0.
So then what he is saying is that the iPhone is a step closer to being a
real cellphone
>
> Are you really too stupid to understand that,
I'm obviously too smart to drink the koolaid.
or are you just another
> "my phone's better than your phone" moron?
>
Where did I say mine was better, moron?
Are you one of those people who has a chllenge with reading for
comprehension?
NightStalker
mich...@michelle.org says...
>
> > and wtf is this?
> > > 87. Option in Phone Settings to choose your phone number
> >
> > the phone number is assigned by the carrier and goes with the sim
> > card. what is the point of changing it in settings?
>
> change its phone number. Maybe some SIM cards will let you store more
> than one phone number? That's just a guess, BTW.
>
>
>
Actually, it seems to have something to do with the ability to receive
MMS. The SIM card determines the phone number, but the MMS system,
running on the software level in the iPhone itself, apparently doesn't
read the number from the SIM card - it has to be entered into the
Settings page as described.
--
NightStalker
Dennis Ferguson
> In article <michelle-E72140...@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
> Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> and wtf is this?
>> 87. Option in Phone Settings to choose your phone number
>
> the phone number is assigned by the carrier and goes with the sim card.
> what is the point of changing it in settings?
It is possible for a single SIM card to provide two numbers; normal
GSM phones usually call these "Line 1" and "Line 2", and give you
a way to tell the phone which line you are using for outgoing calls
and messages.
Also, I'm not sure the phone number(s) is necessarily stored on the
SIM card and/or available to the phone. I have SIMs with both
a Hong Kong and a China number, with the "active" number for
outgoing calls being the one which matches the network (HK or China)
the phone is currently attached to. The number changes as soon
as the network changes, but the phone doesn't seem to know or care.
I'm not positive, but I don't think GSM phones generally know their
own number if you don't tell them, so if some application on the
phone needs the number it may be necessary to enter it manually(?).
I hope someone will correct the last bit if it is wrong.
Dennis Ferguson
Mark Crispin
And the only way they could get it up that high was to count the same
feature multiple times.
Not much excitement at either the Apple or the AT&T stores over the new
iToy. Even fanboy interest seems to be waning.
I wonder how long it will be before AT&T starts giving away the iToy for
free as their bottom-of-the-line cheap phone, like SoftBank does in Japan.
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news:alpine.OSX.2.00.0...@hsinghsing.panda.com:
> I wonder how long it will be before AT&T starts giving away the iToy
> for free as their bottom-of-the-line cheap phone, like SoftBank does
> in Japan.
>
The Nokia N97 will be out soon....(c;]
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If a man goes way out into the woods all alone and says something,
is it still wrong, even though no woman hears him?
Oxford
> In other words, a very minor update.
>
> And the only way they could get it up that high was to count the same
> feature multiple times.
what? that's not apple's list dumbass, apple wouldn't count multiple
items twice... mark you are so desperate you aren't even thinking
straight!
> Not much excitement at either the Apple or the AT&T stores over the new
> iToy. Even fanboy interest seems to be waning.
incorrect, in many ways there was more excitement over this phone than
the 3G (which was a minor update) compared to the twice as fast 3G S and
1000 new API's of 3.0 software. over 4,086 stories on it yesterdat
alone... and Apple didn't spend a single cent.
> I wonder how long it will be before AT&T starts giving away the iToy for
> free as their bottom-of-the-line cheap phone, like SoftBank does in Japan.
The iPhone has done extremely well in Japan, the most popular smartphone
in the country... mark, give it up... you lost.
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Mark Crispin <m...@panda.com> wrote:
> In other words, a very minor update.
it's actually a substantial update.
> Not much excitement at either the Apple or the AT&T stores over the new
> iToy. Even fanboy interest seems to be waning.
nonsense.
iPhone 3G S Outsells iPhone 3G on Launch Day
<http://dnc.o2.co.uk/home/2009/06/iphone-3g-s-o2-launch.html>
the lines may have been shorter at stores because there are more stores
selling them as well as apple selling them on line and shipping them
direct. actual numbers should be announced monday or tuesday.
> I wonder how long it will be before AT&T starts giving away the iToy for
> free as their bottom-of-the-line cheap phone, like SoftBank does in Japan.
not gonna happen.
John Blutarsky
news:apony-052E36....@news.qwest.net:
.
>
> The iPhone has done extremely well in Japan, the most popular
> smartphone in the country
You'll need to provide proof of that
Mark Crispin
>> I wonder how long it will be before AT&T starts giving away the iToy for
>> free as their bottom-of-the-line cheap phone, like SoftBank does in Japan.
> not gonna happen.
So, since you are so sure that it won't happen --- do you agree that if
AT&T starts giving away free iToys (like SoftBank does in Japan today),
that I can smash your iToy and you have to eat the fragments?
This will be fun.
Mark Crispin
> Oxford <ap...@pasture.com> wrote in
>> The iPhone has done extremely well in Japan, the most popular
>> smartphone in the country
> You'll need to provide proof of that
By "most popular smartphone", Oxtard means "more popular than BlackBerry
and Windows Mobile", neither of which are marketed much at all in Japan.
Japanese keitais are very different devices. iToy has not done at all
well against keitais due to its lack of standard Japanese market features.
The 3.0 OS fixes some problems, but not all. You still need to carry
around an external brick if you want 1seg. Even more damning, the camera
sucks, even in the new iPhone 3G S; and the tiny 320x480 screen sucks now
that VGA resolution is standard in Japan for all but the lowest-end
phones.
Of the Japanese who own an iPhone, most use it as an iPod Touch with a SIM
card, and not as a phone. They have a different device that they use as a
phone. In part, this is due to the fact that SoftBank's network is so
inferior to NTT DoCoMo it isn't funny.
iPhone is popular with foreigners in Japan, particularly those who can't
figure out how to use a keitai. They're the only ones who actually use it
as a phone, and consequently iPhone has gotten a reputation as being a
"gaijin phone".
But of course, mindless twits like Oxford think that they know everything
there is to know about Japan and its market, even though they have never
even been there, much less speak/read/write the language.
John Navas
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Relative to other phones.
What it shows is how far behind Apple has been.
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in <200620091937470231%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <alpine.OSX.2.00.0...@hsinghsing.panda.com>,
>Mark Crispin <m...@panda.com> wrote:
>
>> In other words, a very minor update.
>
>it's actually a substantial update.
Not to those of us that have had these features on our phones for years.
>> Not much excitement at either the Apple or the AT&T stores over the new
>> iToy. Even fanboy interest seems to be waning.
>
>nonsense.
>iPhone 3G S Outsells iPhone 3G on Launch Day
><http://dnc.o2.co.uk/home/2009/06/iphone-3g-s-o2-launch.html>
One would hope so after all the hype.
>the lines may have been shorter at stores because there are more stores
>selling them as well as apple selling them on line and shipping them
>direct. actual numbers should be announced monday or tuesday.
That looks like an excuse to me.
The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
excuses for it.
jc
The new search tools are a BIG plus, as is cut and paste.
Landscape is an improvement, but I would have appreciated it more
before I got used to the keypad.
There were already a number of free voice note apps, so
it's kind of embarrassing that they're making a big deal
out of that.
Should have added integrated voice dial (could have
been tied to holding the home key or something).
Should have added video to the 3G (*please* don't
tell me it's a hardware thing; you can get it if
you jailbreak).
What do you expect from the people that held
back the 32 gig version to get you to buy another
phone later?
-jc
> 1. Cut/Paste
> 2. Copy/Paste
> 3. Shake to undo/redo typing
> 4. Text selection for easy mass deletion
> 5. MMS
> 6. Landscape keyboard in Notes
> 7. Landscape keyboard in Mail
> 8. Landscape keyboard in Messages
> 9. Forward texts or picture messages
> 10. Delete individual texts or picture messages
> 11. Sending progress bar in Messages app moved to title instead of
> over the keyboard area (allows typing new message while the first one
> is sending)
>
> 11. Sending progress bar in Messages app moved to title instead of
> over the keyboard area (allows typing new message while the first one
> is sending)
>
> 12. USB tethering
> 13. Bluetooth tethering
> 14. Stereo bluetooth (A2DP)
> 15. Spotlight search (searches all app titles, mail, media, contact
> details, and calendar appointments)
> 16. Search in Notes
> 17. Search in Mail
> 18. Search in iPod
> 19. In-App purchases
> 20. Option to have double clicking the home button go to the Spotlight
> Search
> 21. Option to have double clicking the home button go to the Camera
> 22. Preview icon in lower left hand corner for last shot taken in
> Camera app
> 23. Shake to shuffle in iPod
> 24. Scrolling of screenshots in App Store
> 25. Type of phone used under each call in Recents (i.e., mobile, home,
> work, etc.)
> 26. Call history log (including call duration)
> 27. Option to Share Contact in each contact listing
> 28. Hold link in Safari to Copy
> 29. Hold link in Safari to Open in New Page
> 30. Auto Fill contact information, usernames and passwords in Safari
> 31. Login to your YouTube account
> 32. See Comments in YouTube
> 33. Subscribe in YouTube
> 34. Rate in YouTube
> 35. Shake to undo what you have typed
> 36. Option to retry sending failed text messages, indicated by red
> exclamation point next to text
> 37. Turn-by-turn GPS capabilities
> 38. Maps can be run inside other applications
> 39. Access to dock port for accessories to communicate
> 40. Peer-to-peer connectivity using Bluetooth (no Wi-Fi required)
> 41. New Voice memo application
> 42. Extended Parental controls
> 43. Anti-phishing
> 44. Wi-Fi auto login
> 45. Note syncing in iTunes
> 46. Improved Stocks app
> 47. New calendar types (CalDAV)
> 48. Prompt to confirm deleting a note
> 49. Prompt to confirm deleting a photo
> 50. Option to select multiple photos to attach to an email
> 51. “Find My iPhone” option for MobileMe users
> 52. Unlimited size podcast downloads over 3G
> 53. Pushing home button on first home screen takes user to Spotlight
> 54. Pushing home button on Spotlight takes user to first home screen
> 55. Variable speed playback for audio books
> 56. App Store subscriptions
> 57. Push notifications
> 58. Audio/Video tags
> 59. New video streaming capabilities (HTML 5 video, h.264 and HTTP)
> 60. Calendar subscriptions
> 61. iTunes login
> 62. iTunes account creation
> 63. Encypted profiles
> 64. LDAP (directory services)
> 65. VPN on-demand
> 66. EAP SIM
> 67. Proxy support
> 68. OTA profiles
> 69. Revoke certificates
> 70. Exchange ActiveSync Policies
> 71. Media scrubber
> 72. More languages
> 73. Improved keyboards
> 74. Failed app updates now are shown in a duplicate icon and labeled
> “Paused”
> 75. When selecting multiple emails to forward/delete, any unread
> emails’ blue dot are shown next to the red selector dot instead of
> being overridden by the red selector dot
> 76. Non-contact phone calls list their city and state of origin in
> Recents and Visual Voicemail under the number.
> 77. Ability to change ringtones straight from Favorites
> 78. Lap time display now displayed smaller and above time in Stopwatch
> 79. Polished Phone, Messages, and iPod icons
> 80. Swipe to delete notes in the Notes app
> 81. Advanced Bluetooth options for Handsfree devices
> 82. Option to close a single web page in Safari page view, which
> immediately opens a new blank page
> 83. Improved predictive dictionary
> 84. Blue dot now displayed in center of location circle in Maps (V1
> only)
> 85. Listening to music while charging the battery now displays the
> album art instead of the battery
> 86. Smaller font for song title on lock screen
> 87. Option in Phone Settings to choose your phone number
> 88. Option to disable text message reminder alerts
> 89. Option to disable text message previews
> 90. Option to show subject field in text messages
> 91. Ability to integrate iPod music into apps
> 92. Clickable email links in App Store app descriptions
> 93. JavaScript 3x speed boost
> 94. 11 homescreens now allowed
> 95. Reboots to “slide to unlock” screen instead of homescreen
> 96. In Settings>General>Home>Search Results, users can choose what is
> searched on the phone and in what order.
> 97. Application count added in Settings>General>About
> 98. Option “Load Remote Images” added in Mail settings
> 99. Global address book option available if Exchange account is set up
> 100. Speed control in audiobooks
> 101. 30 second repeat option for audiobooks
> 102. Improved scrubbing speeds when holding white dot in song progress
> bar in iPod
> 103. When sending a text, your text box where you typed smoothly fades
> from white to green instead of instantly changing from white to green.
> 104. When moving an app across homescreens, holding the app on either
> the left or right side will slowly advance the app one through one
> homescreen at a time, without leaving empty spots in the bottom right
> corner or each homescreen it advances through.
> 105. Album name displayed on lockscreen iPod controls
> 106. Shake to shuffle on lockscreen iPod controls
> 107. Podcasts saved on iPhone now show Run Time, Time Left and Date
> Published
> 108. Screen goes from dimmed to full brightness after each song when
> playing the iPod while plugged in
> 109. WAVE file support in Mail
> 110. Attachment no longer automatically downloaded until user taps the
> attachment in Mail
> 111. When using a bluetooth headset with iPod, volume bar is removed
> and bluetooth headset name is displayed in its place.
> 112. A hard reset on your phone (holding sleep and home for 10
> seconds) now turns it off instead of restarting it.
>
> 113. A space is no longer needed between two words for predictive
> texting to function.
Mike
<Sigh> another Larry - yes apple missed a lot of 'standard' features off
and has only now remedied this. Many of these absences annoyed me and
other iphone users greatly but it was/is still a great device and is
getting better!
I'll wager the iphone does a lot and better than you phone - care to
tell us what it is so we can compare?
Mike
Not Me
> In article <9bjs35dh5qml49b2r...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> the lines may have been shorter at stores because there are more
>>> stores selling them as well as apple selling them on line and
>>> shipping them direct. actual numbers should be announced monday or
>>> tuesday.
>> That looks like an excuse to me.
>
>
Naah...
AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store line.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> What it shows is how far behind Apple has been.
you forget that apple has only been in the cell phone game for just 2
years and what they've done is quite impressive. people who have
iphones actually use the various features, which is why iphone data
usage is substantially higher than all other phones *combined*, based
on admob stats.
the iphone also has an extremely diverse selection of apps, with 55,000
right now and likely to hit 60,000 by the store's one year anniversary,
from simple to very sophisticated. for instance, this app is *very*
impressive in the demos i've seen:
<http://www.airstriptech.com/Portals/_default/Skins/AirstripSkin/Critica
lCare/tabid/131/Default.aspx>
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >it's actually a substantial update.
>
> Not to those of us that have had these features on our phones for years.
which phones have a rich api for writing apps (55,000 currently) or a
multi-touch screen?
> >the lines may have been shorter at stores because there are more stores
> >selling them as well as apple selling them on line and shipping them
> >direct. actual numbers should be announced monday or tuesday.
>
> That looks like an excuse to me.
don't be ridiculous. last year the only place you could get an iphone
was an apple store or an at&t store, period, and lines were long. this
year you could get an iphone online and have it delivered to your door
without ever leaving the house, or you could visit a best buy or
walmart store in addition to an apple or at&t store. more options
means fewer people at any one place.
> The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
> excuses for it.
what would be impressive if its detractors discussed some of its actual
flaws rather than what they think are flaws that don't really matter to
most users.
Mike
Never the less they did miss some very obvious things such as MMS,
forwarding SMS and copy & paste. These were things most ones do and
have done for years.
Mike
Mike
> In article <rdKdndaaiJha7qPX...@speakeasy.net>,
> Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
>
>> AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store line.
>
> iPhones are sold to Windows users, y'know.
I see winroids are some kind of lesser life form and get in the way of
true believers eh?.
Mike
News
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <rdKdndaaiJha7qPX...@speakeasy.net>,
> Not Me <Not...@Home.Base> wrote:
>
>> AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store line.
>
> Yeah, they have lots of Windows users doing that to get iPhones. Most
> iPhones are sold to Windows users, y'know.
>
Given the starting market shares, what else would you expect?
> If I had decided to get an iPhone 3G s, I would have ordered it on line
> to be delivered to my home. But I'm not going to spend an extra $200
> for it above the subsidized $199 price. And although I'll be eligible
> to get it for the subsidized price in December, I plan to wait until
> June 2010 to see what the next model (and maybe additional carriers)
> will be, and then decide what to do.
Blasphemy!
Charles
Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> If I had decided to get an iPhone 3G s, I would have ordered it on line
> to be delivered to my home. But I'm not going to spend an extra $200
> for it above the subsidized $199 price. And although I'll be eligible
> to get it for the subsidized price in December, I plan to wait until
> June 2010 to see what the next model (and maybe additional carriers)
> will be, and then decide what to do.
I plan on the same unless AT&T gives me the $199 price in the next few
months. I would like the video camera but not for $200. I will wait
until next June for possibly additional carriers, dual processor arm
chip and Video HD. The new features in the iPhone 3 software will tide
me over.
--
Charles
Larry
news:rdKdndaaiJha7qPX...@speakeasy.net:
> Naah...
>
> AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store line.
>
When I was a young sailor, we all got paid in CASH, as per Naval
Regulations, which have since changed. So, on payday, the Navy Credit
Union was always swamped with sailors depositing their cash.
Sailors are all brainwashed to get in line, anywhere, from the day they
enter the Navy. So, what we used to do is get a few guys to go stand
"in line" at the front door of the Credit Union, outside on the front
steps. 20 minutes after the "line" formed, the credit union would
finally empty out of people before us and eventually the credit union
people would come outside to see why we were all standing in line....now
several hundred deep across the parking lot.... We'd then move inside
and deposit our cash....and, in perfect military order, the line would
move up to the door and be standing there when we came out and headed
back to the ship....(c;]
Navy was great fun. Anyone with a roll of paper masking tape could
bring the whole ship to its knees by making a masking tape X across a
couple of main hatches. Sailors will NEVER break paper masking tape and
just walk through it....all part of the intensive training....(c;]
You sailors reading this know exactly what I'm talking about......
--
-----
Larry ET1 Cal Lab Shop 67B
USS Everglades (AD-24) 1966-69
May her memory go on forever.....
========================================================
RING-RING!.........click
Jonesy - "Calibration Lab, ET3 Jones speaking, Sir"
(Sound of our division officer's voice trying to sound in charge...)
Jonesy - "Hello? Hello? Is anyone there?? I can't hear you!"
(Sound of our division officer cursing loudly into his phone....)
Jonesy - "Hmm...no answer. The son of a bitch musta hung up!".....
(click)
Ensign comes roaring into the lab, mad as hell.
Jonesy - "Oh, was that you, Sir? I couldn't hear anything on my
phone.", Jonesy would say in apology with the perfectly straight face of
a championship Texas Hold'em Poker Player.
Everyone in the shop was about to EXPLODE if the ensign stayed another
30 second!
Our ship's phone system was from 1952...rotary dial!
You had to be there to fully appreciate our mirth.....
15 seconds after the Ensign left, everyone was doubled over in stomach
cramps from holding it so LONG!
You can sleep tonight because YOUR NAVY IS AWAKE!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wVMHaJkR2DY
Hey! They paid us $68/month, CASH!
nospam
<mikelovescham...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> Never the less they did miss some very obvious things such as MMS,
> forwarding SMS and copy & paste. These were things most ones do and
> have done for years.
or they just had a different set of priorities than you do. they did
get a few things wrong, but overall they did a pretty good job for a
company that had no experience in cell phones, at all.
News
Michelle Steiner wrote:
> In article <PoydnSUSvN-wLKPX...@speakeasy.net>,
> News <Ne...@Group.name> wrote:
>
>>>> AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store
>>>> line.
>>> Yeah, they have lots of Windows users doing that to get iPhones.
>>> Most iPhones are sold to Windows users, y'know.
>> Given the starting market shares, what else would you expect?
>
> Nothing else; that is the point.
>
>>> If I had decided to get an iPhone 3G s, I would have ordered it on
>>> line to be delivered to my home. But I'm not going to spend an
>>> extra $200 for it above the subsidized $199 price. And although
>>> I'll be eligible to get it for the subsidized price in December, I
>>> plan to wait until June 2010 to see what the next model (and maybe
>>> additional carriers) will be, and then decide what to do.
>> Blasphemy!
>
> Not at all; it's rational thought. Contrary to the bleating of the
> windroids, Mac users don't worship Apple, don't worship the Mac OS or
> the Macintosh, and don't worship the iPhone. But the winddroids are
> like Limbaugh, Hannity, Savage, Rove, DeLay, Gingrich, FOX News, et.
> al.; they don't let facts get in the way of their rants.
Whoa! 180 degrees out of phase with Oxtard's rantings and ravings.
Don Zeigler
> I'm obviously too smart
Wrong
PLONK
John Blutarsky
nos...@nospam.invalid:
The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame. If we are to
believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
researching and developing a mature market product. The features missing
from the first generation phone were common to almost all phones on the
market at the time of release- are you saying they didn't realize that?
John Blutarsky
$.dlg@this.domain.or.that:
Oh dear! What will I do?
Jochem Huhmann
> The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame. If we are to
> believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
> researching and developing a mature market product. The features missing
> from the first generation phone were common to almost all phones on the
> market at the time of release- are you saying they didn't realize
> that?
Including a feature and including it in a way that people actually want
to use it are two very different things, the latter being much more
difficult than the former.
Jochem
--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
George Kerby
On 6/21/09 12:50 PM, in article
michelle-DD7E3C...@mara100-84.onlink.net, "Michelle Steiner"
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> In article <9bjs35dh5qml49b2r...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> the lines may have been shorter at stores because there are more
>>> stores selling them as well as apple selling them on line and
>>> shipping them direct. actual numbers should be announced monday or
>>> tuesday.
>>
>> That looks like an excuse to me.
>
> Looks like you can't tell the difference between a reason and an excuse.
Michelle, NavASS cannot tell his ass from a hole in the ground. If he says
something "is", you can be SURE it "isn't". Simple as that...
Kurt
<bedf7f61-a993-4eff...@y38g2000vbl.googlegroups.com>,
jc <cire...@yahoo.com> wrote:
> On Jun 20, 12:08�pm, "There's an app for that...on the $99 iPhone @
> AT&T" <vic.hea...@gmail.com> wrote:
> > The full 100+ new features in iPhone 3.0 software
> >
>
> The new search tools are a BIG plus, as is cut and paste.
>
> Landscape is an improvement, but I would have appreciated it more
> before I got used to the keypad.
>
> There were already a number of free voice note apps, so
> it's kind of embarrassing that they're making a big deal
> out of that.
>
> Should have added integrated voice dial (could have
> been tied to holding the home key or something).
>
> Should have added video to the 3G (*please* don't
> tell me it's a hardware thing; you can get it if
> you jailbreak).
>
> What do you expect from the people that held
> back the 32 gig version to get you to buy another
> phone later?
>
The new upgrade works great on my 4GB V.1 iPhone.
I'd been using voice apps for dialing and Google for a while, but still
nice to see them integrated.
--
To reply by email, remove the word "space"
Mike
> In article <h1m8u2$p45$2...@news.eternal-september.org>,
> Mike <mikelovescham...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
>>>> AAPL is all about the experience -- of camping out on a store
>>>> line.
>>> Yeah, they have lots of Windows users doing that to get iPhones.
>>> Most iPhones are sold to Windows users, y'know.
>> I see winroids are some kind of lesser life form and get in the way
>> of true believers eh?.
>
> merely want to attack Macintosh users.
Hey I didn't start the pissing war, who called who a winroid? and I only
attacked the mac users that look down their noses at windows users.
Mike
Mike
Sorry but that's not an excuse for missing everyday features that are
used by millions of people worldwide. Cut and paste, forwarding MMS are
pretty essential to many people.
If a new car manufacturer forgot to fit windows that opened or wipers
would you shrug and say it's a pretty good job for the first attempt?
I'm an iphone fan but the omissions fixed in 3.0 have held it back and
clearly these were software based. Thank apple they are fixed now.
Mike
John Navas
<mikelovescham...@googlemail.com> wrote in
<h1lo3v$ian$1...@news.eternal-september.org>:
>John Navas wrote:
>> Relative to other phones.
>> What it shows is how far behind Apple has been.
>
><Sigh> another Larry - yes apple missed a lot of 'standard' features off
>and has only now remedied this. Many of these absences annoyed me and
>other iphone users greatly but it was/is still a great device and is
>getting better!
>
>I'll wager the iphone does a lot and better than you phone - care to
>tell us what it is so we can compare?
You would be wrong -- my cell phones are carefully chosen to be best for
my needs, which may well be different from your needs, but are all that
matter to me.
For example, I can easily tether my laptop to 3G over a Bluetooth
connection to my unmodified cell phone, something I still wouldn't be
able to do even with the latest 3G S iPhone.
And to be frank, even the large bar form factor is a show stopper for me
-- I much prefer a more compact folding phone.
--
Best regards, FAQ for Wireless Internet: <http://wireless.navas.us>
John FAQ for Wi-Fi: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi>
Wi-Fi How To: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_HowTo>
Fixes to Wi-Fi Problems: <http://wireless.navas.us/wiki/Wi-Fi_Fixes>
John Navas
in <210620091229424653%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <k1js351okdjr8gdtd...@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> What it shows is how far behind Apple has been.
>
>you forget that apple has only been in the cell phone game for just 2
>years ...
The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
excuses for it.
--
John Navas
in <m2tz28w...@revier.com>:
>John Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> writes:
>
>> The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame. If we are to
>> believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
>> researching and developing a mature market product. The features missing
>> from the first generation phone were common to almost all phones on the
>> market at the time of release- are you saying they didn't realize
>> that?
>
>Including a feature and including it in a way that people actually want
>to use it are two very different things, the latter being much more
>difficult than the former.
Give me a break -- many of those features were quite usable.
It isn't right until Apple invents it? LOL
John Navas
in <210620091229444768%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <9bjs35dh5qml49b2r...@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >it's actually a substantial update.
>>
>> Not to those of us that have had these features on our phones for years.
>
>which phones have a rich api for writing apps
You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
>(55,000 currently) or a multi-touch screen?
<yawn>
My phone runs all the apps I care to have on a phone:
* Gmail for Mobile
* Google Maps for Mobile
* Opera Mini
* GlassPlayer
* Skype
John Navas
in <labolide-976AF0...@news.giganews.com>:
>> What do you expect from the people that held
>> back the 32 gig version to get you to buy another
>> phone later?
More like didn't use a standard memory card slot, so you have to buy an
entire new phone just to upgrade the memory. Can you say lame?
Now watch the fans make excuses for that. LOL
nospam
<mikelovescham...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> >> Never the less they did miss some very obvious things such as MMS,
> >> forwarding SMS and copy & paste. These were things most ones do and
> >> have done for years.
> >
> > or they just had a different set of priorities than you do. they did
> > get a few things wrong, but overall they did a pretty good job for a
> > company that had no experience in cell phones, at all.
>
> Sorry but that's not an excuse for missing everyday features that are
> used by millions of people worldwide. Cut and paste, forwarding MMS are
> pretty essential to many people.
yes they are and there are also millions who don't care. a lot of the
apps on the iphone are self-contained, such as weather or stocks, or
use a lot of graphics and animation such as games and there's not much
of a need to copy/paste. on the other hand, someone using the phone as
an email device would find the omission to be a problem. and as i said
before, they wanted to lay the groundwork for third party apps.
> I'm an iphone fan but the omissions fixed in 3.0 have held it back and
> clearly these were software based. Thank apple they are fixed now.
some were hardware based and are not available on older devices. for
instance, there's no a2dp on the original iphone.
nospam
Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> wrote:
> >> Never the less they did miss some very obvious things such as MMS,
> >> forwarding SMS and copy & paste. These were things most ones do and
> >> have done for years.
> >
> > or they just had a different set of priorities than you do. they did
> > get a few things wrong, but overall they did a pretty good job for a
> > company that had no experience in cell phones, at all.
>
> The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame.
is it? what's their background in cellphones? the only other cell
phone project they did was when they collaborated with motorola for the
ill fated rokr.
> If we are to
> believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
> researching and developing a mature market product. The features missing
> from the first generation phone were common to almost all phones on the
> market at the time of release- are you saying they didn't realize that?
or maybe they researched it and found that not as many people use mms
as you seem to think and its priority was not as high as other features
such as an easy to use multitouch user interface and building a
foundation on which third parties could write apps. it's not always
possible to put in every single feature and sometimes tough decisions
must be made to cut a few features and ship the damned thing.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >it's actually a substantial update.
> >>
> >> Not to those of us that have had these features on our phones for years.
> >
> >which phones have a rich api for writing apps
>
> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. i've done
some work with j2me and read up on brew in a previous life and it's
nowhere near as easy as developing for the iphone.
> >(55,000 currently) or a multi-touch screen?
>
> <yawn>
>
> My phone runs all the apps I care to have on a phone:
> * Gmail for Mobile
> * Google Maps for Mobile
> * Opera Mini
> * GlassPlayer
> * Skype
wow, that many? other users have different needs, and with 55000 apps
there's something for everyone.
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-4059F0...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <h9gv35lsfao9a41uj...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> For example, I can easily tether my laptop to 3G over a Bluetooth
>> connection to my unmodified cell phone, something I still wouldn't be
>> able to do even with the latest 3G S iPhone.
>
>That's the fault of AT&T; the phone itself is perfectly capable of doing
>that.
Doesn't matter. (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
that for a fact.)
>But it really applies to a small percentage of the market. One of the
>reasons I got an iPhone is that I don't need to have a computer to
>connect to the internet because it has email and a web browser, and even
>a usenet client.
The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
excuses for it.
--
John Navas
in <220620091123135607%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <lqgv35tm5jff3npjc...@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
>> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
>
>you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
John Navas
>In article <lqgv35tm5jff3npjc...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> My phone runs all the apps I care to have on a phone:
>
>Believe it or not, some people care to have apps other than those on
>their phones.
Irrelevant to me, and to most folks who aren't running any extra apps.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> For example, I can easily tether my laptop to 3G over a Bluetooth
> >> connection to my unmodified cell phone, something I still wouldn't be
> >> able to do even with the latest 3G S iPhone.
> >
> >That's the fault of AT&T; the phone itself is perfectly capable of doing
> >that.
>
> Doesn't matter. (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
> that for a fact.)
apple *said* it can tether. you are really grasping at straws.
> >But it really applies to a small percentage of the market. One of the
> >reasons I got an iPhone is that I don't need to have a computer to
> >connect to the internet because it has email and a web browser, and even
> >a usenet client.
>
> The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
> excuses for it.
why is that an excuse?
what would be more impressive is if its detractors realized that some
people are genuinely happy with the iphone, in fact more so than with
other phones according to changewave:
<http://fortuneapple20.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/changewave-corr.png>
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
> >> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
> >
> >you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
>
> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
do i? how is it you know what my familiarity with j2me and brew is?
and what apps have you written for the iphone?
George Kerby
On 6/22/09 12:41 PM, in article vhgv35pmp5us37t51...@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Sun, 21 Jun 2009 12:29:42 -0700, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> in <210620091229424653%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>
>> In article <k1js351okdjr8gdtd...@4ax.com>, John Navas
>> <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> What it shows is how far behind Apple has been.
>>
>> you forget that apple has only been in the cell phone game for just 2
>> years ...
>
> The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
> excuses for it.
As would you...
George Kerby
On 6/22/09 1:40 PM, in article 2tjv35hgh323qu9vk...@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:31:56 -0700, Michelle Steiner
> <mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
> <michelle-4059F0...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>
>> In article <h9gv35lsfao9a41uj...@4ax.com>,
>> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>>
>>> For example, I can easily tether my laptop to 3G over a Bluetooth
>>> connection to my unmodified cell phone, something I still wouldn't be
>>> able to do even with the latest 3G S iPhone.
>>
>> That's the fault of AT&T; the phone itself is perfectly capable of doing
>> that.
>
> Doesn't matter. (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
> that for a fact.)
>
>> But it really applies to a small percentage of the market. One of the
>> reasons I got an iPhone is that I don't need to have a computer to
>> connect to the internet because it has email and a web browser, and even
>> a usenet client.
>
> The iPhone would be more impressive if fans didn't have to keep making
> excuses for it.
As would your reputation...
George Kerby
On 6/22/09 1:41 PM, in article s1kv35pkb86s4ppju...@4ax.com,
"John Navas" <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> On Mon, 22 Jun 2009 11:23:13 -0700, nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote
> in <220620091123135607%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>
>> In article <lqgv35tm5jff3npjc...@4ax.com>, John Navas
>> <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>>> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
>>> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
>>
>> you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
>
> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
I found this picture of you that you left in the photo groups...
<http://preview.tinyurl.com/8uggu>
I think it clearly illustrates your perspective on things, don't you?
DevilsPGD
claimed to have wrote:
>John Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> writes:
>
>> The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame. If we are to
>> believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
>> researching and developing a mature market product. The features missing
>> from the first generation phone were common to almost all phones on the
>> market at the time of release- are you saying they didn't realize
>> that?
>
>Including a feature and including it in a way that people actually want
>to use it are two very different things, the latter being much more
>difficult than the former.
Indeed. The horrible voice control implementation on the iPhone 3G S is
one example of including a feature, but not in a useful fashion.
Every other voice-control enabled phone I've owned has allowed me to
start a voice-control session by touching the button on my headset,
speaking the command into the headset, and receive the response on the
headset.
With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair up
from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold a button
on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either look at the
screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect the call on the
headset on your ear.
Jochem Huhmann
> With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair up
> from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold a button
> on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either look at the
> screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect the call on the
> headset on your ear.
Doesn't sound very useful, yes.
Jochem
--
"A designer knows he has arrived at perfection not when there is no
longer anything to add, but when there is no longer anything to take away."
- Antoine de Saint-Exupery
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<Death...@crazyhat.net> wrote:
> Indeed. The horrible voice control implementation on the iPhone 3G S is
> one example of including a feature, but not in a useful fashion.
so horrible in that it supports voice control in over 30 languages.
> Every other voice-control enabled phone I've owned has allowed me to
> start a voice-control session by touching the button on my headset,
> speaking the command into the headset, and receive the response on the
> headset.
>
> With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair up
> from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold a button
> on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either look at the
> screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect the call on the
> headset on your ear.
a valid shortcoming and i'm not sure why it works that way (or doesn't
work).
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > then take your phone out of your pocket, hold a button on the phone,
> > speak a command into the phone, then either look at the screen (or
> > hold the phone to your other ear) to connect the call on the headset
> > on your ear.
>
> You are totally wrong.
actually, he's correct.
> With the iPhone 3G s, you touch a button on the
> headset, speak the command in the headset, and receive the response in
> the headset.
but not a bluetooth headset. it only works on the corded headset or
into the phone itself.
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> Hmm, the Apple site that explains how to use it doesn't specify that it
> doesn't work that way with a BT headset.
this apple site does:
<http://support.apple.com/kb/HT3597?viewlocale=en_US>
Use the built-in microphone or the microphone on the
headset.�Bluetooth headsets are not supported for Voice Control.
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Michelle Steiner <mich...@michelle.org> wrote:
> > > With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair
> > > up from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold
> > > a button on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either
> > > look at the screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect
> > > the call on the headset on your ear.
> >
> > a valid shortcoming and i'm not sure why it works that way (or
> > doesn't work).
>
> It doesn't work that way at all; he's either ignorant or lying.
it does work that way, unfortunately.
John Blutarsky
news:220620091151357716%nos...@nospam.invalid:
No, what would be more impressive would be the elimination of useless and
stupid lists like the one that started this thread. What would be more
impressive would be the instant halt to all of the posts touting it as the
the only phone that works "correctly". What would be more impressive would
be to not see another post telling me that Apple knows what I want and need
more than I do.
If all we had to read was that people liked the phone, traffic in these
newsgroups would decrease to a trickle of the current volume.
John Blutarsky
news:220620091123085332%nos...@nospam.invalid:
> In article <Xns9C31CEFC5B0...@85.214.105.209>, John
> Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> wrote:
>
>> >> Never the less they did miss some very obvious things such as MMS,
>> >> forwarding SMS and copy & paste. These were things most ones do
>> >> and have done for years.
>> >
>> > or they just had a different set of priorities than you do. they
>> > did get a few things wrong, but overall they did a pretty good job
>> > for a company that had no experience in cell phones, at all.
>>
>> The excuse that they had no experience is pretty lame.
>
> is it? what's their background in cellphones?
This is a mutli-national Fortune 100 company trying to get a foot into a
mature market, not some new startup. The amount of third party research
data on the industry is staggering and hard to avoid. Any of that in
combination with their own R&D should have made version 1 the best
cellphone of all time. That is, unless they didn't do their research,
which based on the number of market concessions they have made in the last
two years would seem to be the case.
the only other cell
> phone project they did was when they collaborated with motorola for
> the ill fated rokr.
>
>> If we are to
>> believe it, that would make Apple a very inept company, incapable of
>> researching and developing a mature market product. The features
>> missing from the first generation phone were common to almost all
>> phones on the market at the time of release- are you saying they
>> didn't realize that?
>
> or maybe they researched it and found that not as many people use mms
> as you seem to think and its priority was not as high as other
> features such as an easy to use multitouch user interface and building
> a foundation on which third parties could write apps. it's not always
> possible to put in every single feature and sometimes tough decisions
> must be made to cut a few features and ship the damned thing.
>
Why? Other than a self-imposed deadline, what did they have to lose by
waiting a little longer and getting it right the first time?
John Blutarsky
3B8055.171...@mara100-84.onlink.net:
> In article <Xns9C32B80E194...@85.214.105.209>,
> John Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> wrote:
>
>> What would be more impressive would be to not see another post
>> telling me that Apple knows what I want and need more than I do.
>
> Apple doesn't tell you that any more than any other cell phone company
> does.
>
Really?
"Flash video not suitable for iPhone, Apple CEO says"
http://www.cbc.ca/technology/story/2008/03/05/tech-adobe-iphone.html
"In an interview with the New York Times, Steve Jobs confirms reports that
the recently-announced iPhone will not allow third party applications to be
installed."
http://apple.slashdot.org/apple/07/01/12/0430200.shtml
"Jobs says Apple will fight iPhone unlocking hacks"
http://www.computerworld.com/action/article.do?
command=viewArticleBasic&articleId=9037398&intsrc=hm_list
John Navas
in <220620091151357716%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <2tjv35hgh323qu9vk...@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> For example, I can easily tether my laptop to 3G over a Bluetooth
>> >> connection to my unmodified cell phone, something I still wouldn't be
>> >> able to do even with the latest 3G S iPhone.
>> >
>> >That's the fault of AT&T; the phone itself is perfectly capable of doing
>> >that.
>>
>> Doesn't matter. (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
>> that for a fact.)
>
>apple *said* it can tether. you are really grasping at straws.
You've actually done it? You know for sure how well it works?
I can go get one and tether today? Or this week? Or even this month?
No?
Then (read my lips), what Apple says doesn't matter.
My phone can do it TODAY, and has been doing it for some time.
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans have to keep making excuses for it?
The inquiring mind wants to know.
John Navas
<bl...@faber.com> wrote in
<Xns9C32B80E194...@85.214.105.209>:
>nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote in
>news:220620091151357716%nos...@nospam.invalid:
>> what would be more impressive is if its detractors realized that some
>> people are genuinely happy with the iphone, in fact more so than with
>> other phones according to changewave:
>
>No, what would be more impressive would be the elimination of useless and
>stupid lists like the one that started this thread. What would be more
>impressive would be the instant halt to all of the posts touting it as the
>the only phone that works "correctly". What would be more impressive would
>be to not see another post telling me that Apple knows what I want and need
>more than I do.
>
>If all we had to read was that people liked the phone, traffic in these
>newsgroups would decrease to a trickle of the current volume.
Amen.
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-1CAC83...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <2tjv35hgh323qu9vk...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >That's the fault of AT&T; the phone itself is perfectly capable of
>> >doing that.
>>
>> Doesn't matter.
>
>Actually, it does matter.
Sorry, doesn't matter TO ME.
My phone can do that TODAY.
iPhone CAN'T (for whatever reason).
CASE CLOSED.
>> (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
>> that for a fact.)
>
>I haven't parachuted out of an airplane; does that mean that parachutes
>don't work?
Invalid analogy, as I'm sure you know.
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
then why do fans keep making excuses for it?
The inquiring mind wants to know.
--
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-5D258B...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <m2hby8v...@revier.com>, Jochem Huhmann <j...@gmx.net>
>wrote:
>
>> > With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair
>> > up from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold
>> > a button on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either
>> > look at the screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect
>> > the call on the headset on your ear.
>>
>> Doesn't sound very useful, yes.
>
>Nor is it in any way factual or accurate.
Feel free to set the record straight, if you can.
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-A43A9C...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <220620091421358926%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > With the iPhone 3G s, you touch a button on the headset, speak the
>> > command in the headset, and receive the response in the headset.
>>
>> but not a bluetooth headset. it only works on the corded headset or
>> into the phone itself.
>
>Hmm, the Apple site that explains how to use it doesn't specify that it
>doesn't work that way with a BT headset.
>
>But if you're right I apologize to him.
In other words, you're such a fan that you're making stuff up to defend
the iPhone. ;)
--
Best regards,
John <http:/navasgroup.com>
"Usenet is like a herd of performing elephants with diarrhea - massive,
difficult to redirect, awe inspiring, entertaining, and a source of mind
boggling amounts of excrement when you least expect it." -Gene Spafford
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-B7DB5A...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <michelle-A43A9C...@mara100-84.onlink.net>,
>> Hmm, the Apple site that explains how to use it doesn't specify that
>> it doesn't work that way with a BT headset.
>>
>> But if you're right I apologize to him.
>
>And I searched and found a support page that says voice command doesn't
>work with bluetooth, so I do apologize.
>
>But it's not a big loss, IMO;
Yet another iPhone excuse.
>with my Motorola and LG phones, voice
>recognition sucked so badly with my BT headphone that I gave up on using
>it at all.
Then you must have had an old Motorola phone and/or a truly crappy BT
headset, because >> speaker independent << voice control works very well
on the Motorola V3xx.
If you're going to defend the iPhone, at least have the intellectual
honesty to compare apples and apples, not apples and oranges.
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans have to keep making excuses for it?
The inquiring mind wants to know.
--
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-D21CB7...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <220620091421338820%nos...@nospam.invalid>,
> nospam <nos...@nospam.invalid> wrote:
>
>> > With the iPhone solution, you put your BT headset on your ear, pair
>> > up from the headset, then take your phone out of your pocket, hold
>> > a button on the phone, speak a command into the phone, then either
>> > look at the screen (or hold the phone to your other ear) to connect
>> > the call on the headset on your ear.
>>
>> a valid shortcoming and i'm not sure why it works that way (or
>> doesn't work).
>
>It doesn't work that way at all; he's either ignorant or lying.
I'm afraid it's you that's "either ignorant or lying", as we all now
know, which shows how dangerous it is to call someone else names,
especially when you don't know what you're talking about. ;)
John Navas
in <220620091151337618%nos...@nospam.invalid>:
>In article <s1kv35pkb86s4ppju...@4ax.com>, John Navas
><spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
>> >> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
>> >
>> >you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
>>
>> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
>
>do i? how is it you know what my familiarity with j2me and brew is?
I'm going on what you're saying.
>and what apps have you written for the iphone?
None. Now ask me what apps I've written for J2ME. ;)
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-567AB2...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <s1kv35pkb86s4ppju...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
>> >> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
>> >
>> >you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
>>
>> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
>
>OK. You are unfamiliar with the iPhone SDK,
Not terribly experienced, but familiar with the functionality.
>and are obviously wrong.
You're again calling someone a name that actually applies to yourself.
If the iPhone is really so impressive,
why do fans have to keep making excuses for it?
The inquiring mind wants to know.
--
John Navas
<mich...@michelle.org> wrote in
<michelle-4B97B9...@mara100-84.onlink.net>:
>In article <53kv35pd4rl1uhl9b...@4ax.com>,
> John Navas <spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
>
>> >> My phone runs all the apps I care to have on a phone:
>> >
>> >Believe it or not, some people care to have apps other than those on
>> >their phones.
>>
>> Irrelevant to me,
>
>And therefore Apple should have designed the iPhone just for you and
>should have ignored everyone else.
Of course not. I've suggested nothing of the kind.
Are you so desperate you have to resort to straw man arguments?
>> and to most folks who aren't running any extra apps.
>
>A large percentage of 1,000,000 people this past weekend prove that to
>be incorrect.
Just how "large" would that be? ;)
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<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> Doesn't matter. (And since you haven't actually done it, you don't know
> >> that for a fact.)
> >
> >apple *said* it can tether. you are really grasping at straws.
>
> You've actually done it? You know for sure how well it works?
> I can go get one and tether today? Or this week? Or even this month?
> No?
yes you can. quite a few carriers world wide *do* support tether (i
think it's 20-30 carriers but that's not really important). also, the
usb drivers have been updated and the iphone shows up as a network
device. it absolutely *does* work.
the issue is that at&t doesn't support it yet, although there are
numerous workarounds that have been posted.
> Then (read my lips), what Apple says doesn't matter.
actually it does matter. they can't say it tethers and have it turn
out to be wrong.
> My phone can do it TODAY, and has been doing it for some time.
that's wonderful.
> If the iPhone is really so impressive,
> why do fans have to keep making excuses for it?
> The inquiring mind wants to know.
they're not making excuses.
why do people insist what features must be included in a device they
won't ever buy?
nospam
Blutarsky <bl...@faber.com> wrote:
how long do they wait? 6 months? 2 years? apple sold 40 million iphones
and ipod touches along with a billion apps in the last two years, so
despite everything that's wrong with the product, they're doing pretty
well.
a project i'm working on right now has a huge list of features and a
lot of them will not make the version that ships. it's more important
to get something out the door and generate a cash flow as well as go up
against the competition and then add more features at a later date.
plus, user feedback helps shape what goes into the next version, and
there might be features that were never considered.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
> >> >> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
> >> >
> >> >you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
> >>
> >> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
> >
> >do i? how is it you know what my familiarity with j2me and brew is?
>
> I'm going on what you're saying.
where did i even mention j2me and brew?
> >and what apps have you written for the iphone?
>
> None.
no surprise there
> Now ask me what apps I've written for J2ME. ;)
you said that i am 'obviously unfamiliar' with it, based on no evidence
whatsoever.
nospam
<spamf...@navasgroup.com> wrote:
> >> >> You're obviously unfamiliar with long available developer kits.
> >> >> Read up on J2ME and Brew for starters.
> >> >
> >> >you are obviously wrong, and unfamiliar with the iphone sdk. ...
> >>
> >> Sorry, but you clearly have that backwards.
> >
> >OK. You are unfamiliar with the iPhone SDK,
>
> Not terribly experienced, but familiar with the functionality.
based on what you've said so far, not very familiar. a cursory reading
about it is very different than actually writing apps, which you've
said you've never done.