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you didn't build that
Sep 22, 2012, 5:20:58 PM9/22/12
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On 9/22/2012 12:53 PM, you didn't build that wrote:
> Well I guess your abrasive personality told me, huh?
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043
During the stormy debate over his healthcare plan, President Barack
Obama promised his program would not "pull the plug on grandma," and
Congress dropped plans for death panels and "end of life" counseling
that would encourage aged patients from partaking in costly medical
procedures.
But on Dec. 3, the Obama administration seemingly flouted the will of
Congress by issuing a new Medicare regulation detailing "voluntary
advance care planning" that is to be included during patients' annual
checkups. The regulation aimed at the aged "may include advance
directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment," The New York
Times reported.
The new provision, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows Medicare to pay
for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex
decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death. Critics
say it is another attempt to limit healthcare options for the elderly as
they face serious illness.
Incoming House Speaker John Boehner said during the healthcare debate:
�This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward
government-encouraged euthanasia.�
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2011/01/06/obama_bows_to_death_panels/
End-of-life discussions | Globe Editorial
Obama bows to 'death panels'
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/14/barack-obama-fully-embraced-death-panels/
While everyone else was focused on Barack Obama bashing Paul Ryan, I
noticed that he took full ownership of death panels yesterday.
Naturally, Obama did not call them death panels. He called them �an
independent commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and
consumers.� But his description hits dead on with what his death panels
will do.
According to Barack Obama yesterday, the death panels �will look at all
the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending
while protecting access to the services seniors need.�
> Well I guess your abrasive personality told me, huh?
http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043
During the stormy debate over his healthcare plan, President Barack
Obama promised his program would not "pull the plug on grandma," and
Congress dropped plans for death panels and "end of life" counseling
that would encourage aged patients from partaking in costly medical
procedures.
But on Dec. 3, the Obama administration seemingly flouted the will of
Congress by issuing a new Medicare regulation detailing "voluntary
advance care planning" that is to be included during patients' annual
checkups. The regulation aimed at the aged "may include advance
directives to forgo aggressive life-sustaining treatment," The New York
Times reported.
The new provision, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows Medicare to pay
for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex
decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death. Critics
say it is another attempt to limit healthcare options for the elderly as
they face serious illness.
Incoming House Speaker John Boehner said during the healthcare debate:
�This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward
government-encouraged euthanasia.�
http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2011/01/06/obama_bows_to_death_panels/
End-of-life discussions | Globe Editorial
Obama bows to 'death panels'
http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/14/barack-obama-fully-embraced-death-panels/
While everyone else was focused on Barack Obama bashing Paul Ryan, I
noticed that he took full ownership of death panels yesterday.
Naturally, Obama did not call them death panels. He called them �an
independent commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and
consumers.� But his description hits dead on with what his death panels
will do.
According to Barack Obama yesterday, the death panels �will look at all
the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending
while protecting access to the services seniors need.�
NotMe
Sep 22, 2012, 9:02:17 PM9/22/12
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It's called HOSPICE (started in England and is now world wide) and been
around for decades. The key difference is that physicians will now be paid
to provide the information including a consultation on the program and the
options. So unless you plan to live forever or die in the attempt it's
very likely you will at some point have a need for such service.
My family has used hospice for family members and been hospice volunteers
for decades so I'm well aware of the debate, what's really going on and the
attempts make political capital on a program that has been a great help folk
in the twilight of their lives.
If you want to know mor, with out the poltical BS, contact your local
hospice organization and take their volunteer orientation classes. Not
everyone has the emotional ability to work with patients (and that's ok) but
you will learn a lot mostly about yourself.
"you didn't build that" <gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
news:k3la3j$mnc$1...@dont-email.me...
> government-encouraged euthanasia.�
> commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and consumers.� But his
>
around for decades. The key difference is that physicians will now be paid
to provide the information including a consultation on the program and the
options. So unless you plan to live forever or die in the attempt it's
very likely you will at some point have a need for such service.
My family has used hospice for family members and been hospice volunteers
for decades so I'm well aware of the debate, what's really going on and the
attempts make political capital on a program that has been a great help folk
in the twilight of their lives.
If you want to know mor, with out the poltical BS, contact your local
hospice organization and take their volunteer orientation classes. Not
everyone has the emotional ability to work with patients (and that's ok) but
you will learn a lot mostly about yourself.
"you didn't build that" <gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
news:k3la3j$mnc$1...@dont-email.me...
> On 9/22/2012 12:53 PM, you didn't build that wrote:
>> Well I guess your abrasive personality told me, huh?
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043
>
> During the stormy debate over his healthcare plan, President Barack Obama
> promised his program would not "pull the plug on grandma," and Congress
> dropped plans for death panels and "end of life" counseling that would
> encourage aged patients from partaking in costly medical procedures.
>
> But on Dec. 3, the Obama administration seemingly flouted the will of
> Congress by issuing a new Medicare regulation detailing "voluntary advance
> care planning" that is to be included during patients' annual checkups.
> The regulation aimed at the aged "may include advance directives to forgo
> aggressive life-sustaining treatment," The New York Times reported.
>
> The new provision, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows Medicare to pay
> for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex
> decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death. Critics say
> it is another attempt to limit healthcare options for the elderly as they
> face serious illness.
>
> Incoming House Speaker John Boehner said during the healthcare debate:
> �This provision may start us down a treacherous path toward
>> Well I guess your abrasive personality told me, huh?
>
> http://www.newsmax.com/Headline/obama-death-panels-medicare/2010/12/26/id/381043
>
> During the stormy debate over his healthcare plan, President Barack Obama
> promised his program would not "pull the plug on grandma," and Congress
> dropped plans for death panels and "end of life" counseling that would
> encourage aged patients from partaking in costly medical procedures.
>
> But on Dec. 3, the Obama administration seemingly flouted the will of
> Congress by issuing a new Medicare regulation detailing "voluntary advance
> care planning" that is to be included during patients' annual checkups.
> The regulation aimed at the aged "may include advance directives to forgo
> aggressive life-sustaining treatment," The New York Times reported.
>
> The new provision, which goes into effect Jan. 1, allows Medicare to pay
> for voluntary counseling to help beneficiaries deal with the complex
> decisions families face when a loved one is approaching death. Critics say
> it is another attempt to limit healthcare options for the elderly as they
> face serious illness.
>
> Incoming House Speaker John Boehner said during the healthcare debate:
> government-encouraged euthanasia.�
>
> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2011/01/06/obama_bows_to_death_panels/
>
> End-of-life discussions | Globe Editorial
>
> Obama bows to 'death panels'
>
> http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/14/barack-obama-fully-embraced-death-panels/
>
> While everyone else was focused on Barack Obama bashing Paul Ryan, I
> noticed that he took full ownership of death panels yesterday. Naturally,
> Obama did not call them death panels. He called them �an independent
> http://www.boston.com/bostonglobe/editorial_opinion/editorials/articles/2011/01/06/obama_bows_to_death_panels/
>
> End-of-life discussions | Globe Editorial
>
> Obama bows to 'death panels'
>
> http://www.redstate.com/erick/2011/04/14/barack-obama-fully-embraced-death-panels/
>
> While everyone else was focused on Barack Obama bashing Paul Ryan, I
> noticed that he took full ownership of death panels yesterday. Naturally,
> commission of doctors, nurses, medical experts and consumers.� But his
> description hits dead on with what his death panels will do.
>
> According to Barack Obama yesterday, the death panels �will look at all
>
> the evidence and recommend the best ways to reduce unnecessary spending
> while protecting access to the services seniors need.�
>
you didn't build that
Sep 22, 2012, 10:48:14 PM9/22/12
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On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
> It's called HOSPICE
Nope.
It is called rationing.
Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
game.
Fuck off with your lies.
>> while protecting access to the services seniors need.”
>>
>
>
> It's called HOSPICE
Nope.
It is called rationing.
Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
game.
Fuck off with your lies.
>>
>
>
NotMe
Sep 22, 2012, 11:17:15 PM9/22/12
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"you didn't build that" <gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
> On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>> It's called HOSPICE
>
> Nope.
>
> It is called rationing.
>
> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
> game.
>
> Fuck off with your lies.
You get to chose your on opinions but you don't get to chose your on facts.
>> It's called HOSPICE
>
> Nope.
>
> It is called rationing.
>
> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
> game.
>
> Fuck off with your lies.
The private insurance industry has been documented as limiting access to
services for years. Why have you ignored that abuse for all that time?
you didn't build that
Sep 23, 2012, 1:36:06 AM9/23/12
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On 9/22/2012 9:17 PM, NotMe wrote:
> "you didn't build that"<gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
> news:k3lt95$ljr$4...@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>>> It's called HOSPICE
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It is called rationing.
>>
>> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>> game.
>>
>> Fuck off with your lies.
>
> You get to chose your on opinions but you don't get to chose your on facts.
>
You get your fucking face mashed in, lying libitard!
> "you didn't build that"<gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
> news:k3lt95$ljr$4...@dont-email.me...
>> On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>>> It's called HOSPICE
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It is called rationing.
>>
>> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>> game.
>>
>> Fuck off with your lies.
>
> You get to chose your on opinions but you don't get to chose your on facts.
>
It is called rationing.
Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
game.
Fuck off with your lies.
> "you didn't build that"<gov...@ment.did> wrote in message
Sanders Kaufman
Sep 23, 2012, 10:21:39 AM9/23/12
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"NotMe" wrote in message news:k3ln36$t0s$1...@dont-email.me...
> The key difference is that physicians will now be paid to provide the
> information including a consultation on the program and the options.
Our religious fellows are highly upset about that one.
They thought that was their patent domain.
> The key difference is that physicians will now be paid to provide the
> information including a consultation on the program and the options.
They thought that was their patent domain.
Sanders Kaufman
Sep 23, 2012, 10:24:06 AM9/23/12
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"NotMe" wrote in message news:k3lv19$ump$1...@dont-email.me...
> You get to chose your on opinions but you don't get to chose your on
> facts.
The "w" typewriter joke had more currency when Bush was in, or recently out
of, office.
Political jokes without currency are just sad.
> You get to chose your on opinions but you don't get to chose your on
> facts.
of, office.
Political jokes without currency are just sad.
you didn't build that
Sep 23, 2012, 12:53:36 PM9/23/12
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On 9/23/2012 8:24 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> The "w" typewriter
It's useful for folks to understand what happened to your brain and why
you are they way you are:
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Then the DotCom era turned me into an overpaid programmer. That's when
the NeoCons seized power here in the US - ending a period of screaming
prosperity. At the same time, I got hit with a case of Menningitis
(brain infection) and went a little coo-koo. Now I'm back to developing
web sites.
Read more: http://www.myspace.com/bvckvs#ixzz10eoO82ja
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Then your twitter account has some more evidence of your mental state:
http://twitter.com/bvckvs
I am totally going to stop letting people like him, who do so little
for me, control how I think. So I'm going...
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!
FYI - I have a whole nother identity on the web as
"sur...@kaufman.net". It's linked to Twit like my real ID is
I spy with my little eye... A jealous girlfriend hiding in the
closet, eavesdropping on her boyfriend's call home...
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> The "w" typewriter
It's useful for folks to understand what happened to your brain and why
you are they way you are:
---------------------------------------------------------------------------�---
Then the DotCom era turned me into an overpaid programmer. That's when
the NeoCons seized power here in the US - ending a period of screaming
prosperity. At the same time, I got hit with a case of Menningitis
(brain infection) and went a little coo-koo. Now I'm back to developing
web sites.
Read more: http://www.myspace.com/bvckvs#ixzz10eoO82ja
---------------------------------------------------------------------------�------
Then your twitter account has some more evidence of your mental state:
http://twitter.com/bvckvs
I am totally going to stop letting people like him, who do so little
for me, control how I think. So I'm going...
GET OUT OF MY HEAD!!!!!
FYI - I have a whole nother identity on the web as
"sur...@kaufman.net". It's linked to Twit like my real ID is
I spy with my little eye... A jealous girlfriend hiding in the
closet, eavesdropping on her boyfriend's call home...
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
you didn't build that
Sep 23, 2012, 12:53:47 PM9/23/12
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On 9/23/2012 8:21 AM, Sanders Kaufman wrote:
> Our religious fellows
> Our religious fellows
Mike...@outlook.com
Sep 23, 2012, 3:31:32 PM9/23/12
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On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:48:14 -0600, you didn't build that
<gov...@ment.did> wrote:
>On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>> It's called HOSPICE
>
>Nope.
>
>It is called rationing.
>
>Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>game.
>
>Fuck off with your lies.
>
Do you have a staff of workers watching newsgroups for an opportunity
<gov...@ment.did> wrote:
>On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>> It's called HOSPICE
>
>Nope.
>
>It is called rationing.
>
>Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>game.
>
>Fuck off with your lies.
>
to disagree and fight with the posters? How much do you pay them?
Your posts are amusing, I'll give you that. I noticed you disagreed
with/opposed a post that was made less than 3 minutes before you
posted your opposition.
You accuse everyone of being liars but your own filthy mouth gives you
away as it does your age, late teens, maybe early 20s?
you didn't build that
Sep 23, 2012, 4:11:33 PM9/23/12
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On 9/23/2012 1:31 PM, Mike...@outlook.com wrote:
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:48:14 -0600, you didn't build that
> <gov...@ment.did> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>>> It's called HOSPICE
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It is called rationing.
>>
>> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>> game.
>>
>> Fuck off with your lies.
>>
> Do you have a staff of workers watching newsgroups for an opportunity
> to disagree and fight with the posters?
Of course.
> On Sat, 22 Sep 2012 20:48:14 -0600, you didn't build that
> <gov...@ment.did> wrote:
>
>> On 9/22/2012 7:02 PM, NotMe wrote:
>>> It's called HOSPICE
>>
>> Nope.
>>
>> It is called rationing.
>>
>> Hospice, in the USA, is a choice that families have, not a rationing end
>> game.
>>
>> Fuck off with your lies.
>>
> Do you have a staff of workers watching newsgroups for an opportunity
> to disagree and fight with the posters?
> How much do you pay them?
> Your posts are amusing, I'll give you that.
> I noticed you disagreed
> with/opposed a post that was made less than 3 minutes before you
> posted your opposition.
> You accuse everyone of being liars
> but your own filthy mouth gives you
> away as it does your age, late teens, maybe early 20s?
relic medium?
Grow a brain.
NotMe
Sep 23, 2012, 4:00:32 PM9/23/12
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"Sanders Kaufman" <bu...@kaufman.net> wrote in message
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NotMe
Sep 23, 2012, 4:13:53 PM9/23/12
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news:UVE7s.865$QY....@newsfe01.iad...
Some are, most aren't. I recall a Baptist Preacher in rural NC that took
the time to learn the details of the Wicca faith so that he might minister
to one of my hospice patients and his family.
This preacher caught some grief from his religious community but in the end
the community's world view was changed so that they are now more open to
helping others regardless of faith or the lack of faith.
the time to learn the details of the Wicca faith so that he might minister
to one of my hospice patients and his family.
This preacher caught some grief from his religious community but in the end
the community's world view was changed so that they are now more open to
helping others regardless of faith or the lack of faith.
NotMe
Sep 23, 2012, 4:21:15 PM9/23/12
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<Mike...@outlook.com> wrote in message
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to learn.
you didn't build that
Sep 23, 2012, 4:46:37 PM9/23/12
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Hospice is not "rationed care" by any stretch.
And it is always a family's choice, not a forced outcome.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hospice
Hospice is a type of care and a philosophy of care that focuses on the
palliation of a terminally ill or seriously ill patient's symptoms.
These symptoms can be physical, emotional, or psychosocial in nature.
Hospice care focuses on bringing comfort, self-respect, and tranquility
to people in the final year of life. Patients’ symptoms and pain are
controlled, goals of care are discussed and emotional needs are
supported. Hospice believes that the end of life is not a medical
experience, it is a human experience that benefits from expert medical
and holistic support that hospice offers.
Hospice in the United States has grown from a volunteer-led movement to
improve care for people dying alone, isolated, or in hospitals, to a
significant part of the health care system. In 2010, an estimated 1.581
million patients received services from hospice. Hospice is the only
Medicare benefit that includes pharmaceuticals, medical equipment,
twenty-four hour/seven day a week access to care and support for loved
ones following a death. Hospice care is also covered by Medicaid and
most private insurance plans. Most hospice care is delivered at home.
Hospice care is also available to people in home-like hospice
residences, nursing homes, assisted living facilities, veterans'
facilities, hospitals, and prisons. The first hospice in the US was the
Connecticut Hospice.
The first United States hospital-based palliative care programs began in
the late 1980s by committed volunteers across the country. A handful of
institutions such as the Cleveland Clinic and Medical College of
Wisconsin were among the early programs. By 1995, hospices were a $2.8
billion industry in the United States, with $1.9 billion from Medicare
alone funding patients in 1,857 hospice programs with Medicare
certification.[34] In that year, 72% of hospice providers were
non-profit.[34] By 1998, there were 3,200 hospices either in operation
or under development throughout the United States and Puerto Rico,
according to the NHPCO.[34] According to 2007's Last Rights: Rescuing
the End of Life from the Medical System, hospice sites are expanding at
a national rate of about 3.5% per year.[35] As of 2008, approximately
900,000 people in the United States were using hospice every year,[36]
with more than one-third of dying Americans using the service.[37]
Al
Sep 23, 2012, 4:54:23 PM9/23/12
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