NO MORE ADULT CD-ROMs?!
Ron Urbassik
be accepting adult titles! The publishers of adult cd-roms do not know what
they will do when current supplies are gone!
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ADULT CD-ROMs
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Ecstasy Hot Pics, $59, 572 mb, 2600+ GIFs, 330+ movies, text stories, 4265
files total. Menu, mouse support. Descriptions, BBS ready. 09/92.
Erotic Encounters, $59. 710 MB! 4309 files. All GIFs. No descriptions. 10/92.
F.A.O. 1, $39, (For Adults Only). 270 mb, 3106 files, no descriptions. Good
for export - "wife-proof" disk label says only "F.A.O." with no hint that it
contains adult material. 09/91.
GBL 1, $59, (Gay, Bi, Lesbian). 347 mb, 2494 files, descriptions. 11/92.
My Private Collection, $59, 675 mb, 4094 files total. Descriptions. Movies.
Lots of Village graphics!
Nix Pix, Hot Pix 1, $89, 622 mb, 4901 files total. Descriptions. Anal,
beastiality, bondage, famous skin, fist, gay, transexuals, water sports, etc.
12/91.
Nix Pix Hot Pix 2, $69, 563 mb, 2950 GIFs, descriptions. Anal, bondage,
famous skin, fist, gay, transexuals, water sports, etc. 04/92.
Nix Pix Hot Pix 3, $69, 629 mb, 4080 files descriptions. Anal, bondage,
famous skin, fist, gay, transexuals, water sports, etc. 12/92.
Nix Pix Hot Pix 4, $69, 598 mb, 3511 files descriptions. Contains only the
Nix Pix Windy City original GIFs & stories ('WC' filenames only) from the Hot
Pix 1, 2 & 3 CDs. 12/92.
PC PIX 1, $59, 646 mb, 5500+ GIFs, 200+ movies, descriptions on floppy.
640x480x256 or higher. Co-op project of Nitelog Imaging, Gabby's Lounge,
Garlique Graphics, Twylight Zone, Prizm, Farmer's Daughter & Sugar Magnolia.
05/92.
PC PIX 2, $59, 633 mb, 3001 files. Most are 800x600x256 or higher.
Descriptions. 09/92.
Pixure ROM 1, $49, 510+mb, 3000+ files. 1/2 G-rated, 1/2 nudes. 08/91.
Pixure ROM 2, $49, 640+mb. 40 mb animations. All adult.
Pixure ROM 3, $49, 645+mb. 620 mb GIFs, 25 mb 32k color Targas. 500+
1024x768x256 GIFs, 225 800x600x256 GIFs. All adult.
Pixure ROM Triple Exposure, $119. Volumes 1, 2 & 3.
Private Pictures, $39, 135 mb, 600 GIFs, 70 movies, no descriptions. Easiest
of all to use. Excellent user interface!
Seedy ROM 1 thru 6, $49 ea. Volumes 1 thru 5 are all GIFs, volume 6 also has
movies & text files. Duplicate checked 3 ways. PhotoDex gives pages of mini
pics. Click with mouse to blow up to full screen. SPECIAL - all 6 for $199!
Good for export - "wife-proof" disk label says only "SEEDY ROM 1" with no
hint that it contains adult material. 08/92.
Seedy ROM Seventh Heaven, $49. 2900+ GIFs. 10/92.
Sextasy Busty Babes, $59. 673 mb, 4176 files. Besides the usual hard-core, it
is heavy on big boobs, plus over 800 nude film stars. SoundBlaster support.
BBS ready. "Wife-proof" if insert is removed (disk label says only "B.B.").
12/92.
So Much StareWare, $59, 580 mb, 2923 files, descriptions, PCBoard format.
Movies, some with sound. Easy menu & help file.
Storm 1, $39, 700 mb, 4800 GIFs, 1400 ZIP files, 7395 files total.
Descriptions. Movies, 50 mb of text files. 1st adult cd-rom. 08/91.
Storm 2, $39, 625 mb, 4800+ GIFs, 90 movies, 5150 files total. Install
program gives automatic slide show. Besides the usual stuff, it also
contains hermaphrodites, 2.4mb gay, 10.5 mb transexuals. 04/92.
Storm 3, $39, 619 mb, 4531 files total. Descriptions. 11/92.
Storm 1, 2 & 3 $99. Special!
Visual Fantasies, $59, 466 mb, 2633 files (all GIFs). Bi-sexual, transexual,
fist, bondage, big-boobs, pregnant. Descriptions on floppy. 10/91.
Volcano, $59, 374 mb, 1475 GIFs, 1515 files total. No movies, 6 32000 color
Targa files. No descriptions. Least pornographic CD-ROM. 02/92.
XXX Extreme, $39, 600mb of GIF, FLI, GL, DL files. No descriptions. 09/92.
SHAREWARE CD-ROMs
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Night Owl 7.0, $59. Just out! Longest running shareware series. 11/92.
Original Shareware 1992, $49. Outstanding collection of newer shareware.
8000 zip files. 08/92.
Shareware Bonanza, $79. 3 CD set. 20,000+ files. Largest collection ever.
Covers every aspect of computing. 1.5 gigabytes of zipped files. 06/92.
Shareware Overload!, $39. 550 mb, 6100 compressed files. Emphasis on Games
& Windows. Other subjects include Business, Clipart, Communications - BBS,
Database, Education, Finance, Graphics, Misc. Applications, Programmer's
Tools, Religion, Sound, Utilities, Word Processors. 10/92.
Shareware Studio, $59. 642 mb, 7649 files. Windows, games, fonts, business,
education, graphics, CAD, communications & more. Easy to use interface. BBS
ready. 10/92.
Shareware Tiger, $59. Almost 700 mb. 8000+ zipped files in 30 directories.
Descriptions. 98% were developed/written in '91 and '92. 08/92.
So Much Shareware 2, $59. SoundBlaster, Windows, Fonts, Clip Art, Educat-
ional, Business, Graphics, Games. Uncompresses to over 1 gigabyte. 11/92.
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HOLT A D
>As of 01/01/93 all of the cd-rom pressing houses in the U.S. will no longer
>be accepting adult titles! The publishers of adult cd-roms do not know what
>they will do when current supplies are gone!
They will get them pressed in S.E. Asia, or Holland or Denmark - I should
think. If they don't some enterprising Hong Kong / Taipei / Bangkok /
Amsterdam entrepreneur will (and probably already does!)
Andy
Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
>As of 01/01/93 all of the cd-rom pressing houses in the U.S. will no longer
>be accepting adult titles! The publishers of adult cd-roms do not know what
>they will do when current supplies are gone!
Yeah, right. Someone else will just move in and fill the vacuum.
Seriously, though. It sure was mighty nice of you to take the time to
stuff the network with your long advertisement. :-grr
Chuck Harris - WA3UQV
ch...@eng.umd.edu
Bill Williams
flat square thin plastic "records" that are occaisionally found in
magazines. The idea of a flat flexible record that can be bound in a
magazine was PATENTED. And during the early 80's a christian organization
controlled the company holding the sole patent. (Eva-Tone I ""THINK"" is
the name of the company). This christion company BANNED any pressing of
any soundtrack or song it deemed OFFENSIVE!!!! Thats right... MORALLY
OFFENSIVE. This meant a major music magazine could not ship the latest
music to its customers until the christian censors accepted the bleeped
out revisions. THERE WAS NO OTHER POSSIBLE DISTRIBUTION. Because of this,
a rock group called "The Angry Samoans" could not press their famous song
"Steak Knife", for example, because the christians thought it was too violent.
BEWARE THE FASCIST CENSORS.... CD-ROM CONTROL BY THE CHRISTIANS IS NEXT!
I believe that Ron Urbassik is correct when he says that many of the
largest pressing plants may cease to duplicate CD-ROMS with sexually
related artwork. The entire country of Canada is repressive for all media
(even a movie review magazine called "Film Threat" has been banned
regularly for IDEAS alone) ,and occaisionally American companies point to
Canada as their role model in their censorship activities. If only Canada
would free up their minds, the American firms would have less substance in
their moral arguments over adult art and subversive information.
-- Bill Williams
Jim Paradis
>Don't forget what the jesus lovers control...
Yeah, but I wouldn't necessarily ascribe the shutdown of adult CD-ROM
production to a sudden attack of moral righteousness.
Perhaps more so than any other area of cyberspace, the
adult-picture-file area is chock *FULL* of copyright and/or
model-release violations. We're talking a BIG potential legal
minefield here! Dive into alt.binaries.pictures.erotica sometime...
the percentage of pictures taken *specifically* for wholesale
electronic redistribution is, IMHO, vanashingly small. To distribute
*only* that collection that is legal would probably not fill up 1% of a
CD-ROM... Far more common are the magazine-spread scans and the video
frame-grabs. I seriously doubt that *any* of the folks doing the
digitization have negotiated with the copyright holders for electronic
redistribution rights!
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Jim Paradis (par...@sousa.tay.dec.com)
I try to take one day at a time, but lately several days have attacked at once!
James Deibele
>ron.ur...@pcohio.com (Ron Urbassik) writes:
>>As of 01/01/93 all of the cd-rom pressing houses in the U.S. will no longer
>>be accepting adult titles!
>They will get them pressed in S.E. Asia, or Holland or Denmark
You're probably right. And I really don't care, but has anyone else
confirmed this? Coming from the bookselling world, I've read several
articles about printers (who actually make the books - most "publishers"
contract this out) refusing to do erotic or otherwise controversial
material. But there it was usually "because the pictures bother our
press operators". I'd think erotic picture bits would look like any
other picture bits.
The pressing plants may be trying to avoid any possibility of getting
sued because "Joe Bob's Disk" was lifted directly from Playboy or
Madonna's book. But I wouldn't have thought they'd bear any
responsibility, especially since they wouldn't be looking at the
material except as bits.
alt.censorship added to discussion and followups redirected there.
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Markus Boie
>be accepting adult titles! The publishers of adult cd-roms do not know what
>they will do when current supplies are gone!
Should this be true, the pressing houses in other countires will happily
take over! No problem, except for US citizens if import of adult cd-roms
is forbidden - I don't know about that.
Markus
Larry Loen
Actually, for better or worse, this question will soon be moot. Adult
CD ROM will be about as ubiquitous as doing it on floppies already is. The
industry will live on.
I read an article (wasn't it on the cover of Byte or something?) an article
about "low cost" CD-R drives. These seemed pricey to me (something like
$5,000 or so) and what they do is write "CD-ROM"s in quantities of 1. Now,
it isn't exactly the same as a CD-ROM, but the disk produced by a CD-R can
be _read_ in a CD ROM, which is all that counts.
The article (which I admit to being a little hazy on even though I read
it less than a week ago), implied that the economics of this are such that
a relatively "short" run can pay for the device. Many departments of major
companies could well have applications that would justify the approach.
Similarly, I imagine that at $50 a
disc or so that any of the adult diskette shareware vendors could probably
justify buying one of these things. The break-even point probably comes out
around 100 to 1000 users. Surely, the "adult" market can support such
economics. It might even be a more favorable economic situation as CD ROMS
can now be made in small quantities, leading to a larger catelog.
It may well be that the mass market vendors are well aware of this and are
simply cutting out some controversial small fry (to them) that could be more
headache than they are worth. . .
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Larry W. Loen | My Opinions are decidedly my own, so please
| do not attribute them to my employer
Doug Mohney
>I read an article (wasn't it on the cover of Byte or something?) an article
>about "low cost" CD-R drives. These seemed pricey to me (something like
>$5,000 or so) and what they do is write "CD-ROM"s in quantities of 1. Now,
>it isn't exactly the same as a CD-ROM, but the disk produced by a CD-R can
>be _read_ in a CD ROM, which is all that counts.
Considering that a couple of years ago, the price was up there ($12K min), a
paltry $5K (soon to be driven down by competition), isn't bad at all.
>The article (which I admit to being a little hazy on even though I read
>it less than a week ago), implied that the economics of this are such that
>a relatively "short" run can pay for the device. Many departments of major
>companies could well have applications that would justify the approach.
If you were doing development or distributing large amounts of information, it
would be great to have around.
>Similarly, I imagine that at $50 a
>disc or so that any of the adult diskette shareware vendors could probably
>justify buying one of these things. The break-even point probably comes out
>around 100 to 1000 users.
Weeeeel, I dunno about that; media is pretty pricy.
doug
I have talked to Ehud, and lived.
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Christian Nordstroem
yes... you're quite right!
I made such a calculation on base of a cd-write drive and the cartridges
(unfortunately i am in germany, but you can convert the price by 1 dollar
is equal about 1,63 Marks)
anway, i had many different selling prices per cd, and they all were related
to other cd's, like Kings Quest and so on (typical price of a "higher" quality
cd is here >100 marks.)
so my best breakeven point with regula selling price of 129.- DM (about 60 -
70 dollar) was with a quantity of 273 CD's
But never forget: it takes also very much time to produce 273 cd's. So i took
two drives for calculation, and one person working each day 8 hours, (paid
with 10$ per hour) so i came to better production time. But here the break-
even point was at 385 (but still very good result!)
These numbers may vary with local prices of the drive and the cartridges.
(I got the cheapes price as vendor, so add at least 20% on prices. Then the
calculation should come up to about 400 as break even point with one drive
and you as person no to be paid for work/per hour *smile*)
Btw: the drive you mentioned is the Philips CDD-521
some informations about that drive:
-Records cd-drom (XA), Photo CD, CD-I, and CD-Audio
-Write once CD Format (Orange Book part III)
-Multi-Volume recording
-Doublespeed recording and playback
-provides up to 99 download events
-capacity 600MB
-average access time 1000msec
-max. access time 1500msec
-transfer rate 307.2 KB/sec sustained
-interface SCSI
-Data buffer 256 KB
-Data integrity from drive 10.0*E-16
-MTBF 25000 hours
I tested it once, and made one cd full of gifs and such stuff, i was fed up
having loads of streamer tapes. Now i can tell you: it is lot of work, but
if you made it once, it works fine.
I had some problems with the SCSI but with the new drivers from Philips it
works pretty good.
>It may well be that the mass market vendors are well aware of this and are
>simply cutting out some controversial small fry (to them) that could be more
>headache than they are worth. . .
Of course....the market will still go on as usual. This drive is just inter-
esting for people who needs much data on won cd's and don't want to pay other
people. And of course make small series to sell them then. But you wont make
lots of money before you reach the break even (see above)
Ringo
nord...@informatik.tu-muenchen.de Ringo@irc Ringo@Nemesis
Christian Nordstroem 4ward Inc. (R) Computer Consulting
Ohlstadter Str.21, 8000 Muenchen 70, Germany
Tel: 0049-89-7698666, Fax: 0049-89-7698195
Jeff Urlwin
>
>Actually, for better or worse, this question will soon be moot. Adult
>CD ROM will be about as ubiquitous as doing it on floppies already is. The
>industry will live on.
>
>I read an article (wasn't it on the cover of Byte or something?) an article
>about "low cost" CD-R drives. These seemed pricey to me (something like
>$5,000 or so) and what they do is write "CD-ROM"s in quantities of 1. Now,
>it isn't exactly the same as a CD-ROM, but the disk produced by a CD-R can
>be _read_ in a CD ROM, which is all that counts.
>
>The article (which I admit to being a little hazy on even though I read
>it less than a week ago), implied that the economics of this are such that
>a relatively "short" run can pay for the device. Many departments of major
>companies could well have applications that would justify the approach.
>
>Similarly, I imagine that at $50 a
>disc or so that any of the adult diskette shareware vendors could probably
>justify buying one of these things. The break-even point probably comes out
>around 100 to 1000 users. Surely, the "adult" market can support such
>economics. It might even be a more favorable economic situation as CD ROMS
>can now be made in small quantities, leading to a larger catelog.
>
>It may well be that the mass market vendors are well aware of this and are
>simply cutting out some controversial small fry (to them) that could be more
>headache than they are worth. . .
Well, speaking as a person who will have one of these drives in a week or so,
and a person who has premastered discs before, the time involved in making
any kind of quantity of these discs would be great. Also, the discs
are currently $25-$35 per disc (in low quantities, granted). This adds up
pretty quickly, as you can only make one disc at a time *and* a full disk
(assume 600 MB) should take more than 35-40 minutes to produce (from a
pre-mastered image). I will have more exact figures soon, but that's a
rough estimate from the requirements of the machine. It needs a constant
input of at least 300K/sec. So...depending upon your overhead, etc, $50
would be too low of a price to recoup your costs, given that you could, at
maximum with one machine, make 20-24 discs a day... Of course, someone with
a better economics background could point me to a formula for this...
Jeff
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