Cave:Tom Barton's (not so) secret cave post
Bonnie Crystal
The freedom we enjoy, in making friendly requests to not post cave
locations to the group; Tom Barton enjoys that same freedom by posting
one.
Tom Barton (t...@magicarpet.com) is certainly within his rights to post
anything he wants.
Has anyone noticed positive contributions of participation in
alt.caving previously from Tom? Just curious, I'd like to read them.
Bonnie
Bonnie Crystal
Virtual Caver
Global Grotto
Kenny Oliver
bxt...@ix.netcom.com(Bonnie Crystal) wrote:
>Bonnie
Does this go along with the "policing" of the internet. Not only do
you want to control what is said within newsgroups, but you want to
control who says what.
As far as posting locations of caves in the U.S., please remember,
there is a thing in the U.S. called freedom of speech. I wouldn't
post locations to a particular cave on the internet myself, that would
be like telling everyone where your favorite fishing spot was. But if
somebody else would like to post a location of a cave they know, they
do have that personal freedom, whether you like it or not.
David Beck
The cave Tom posted is Secret Cavern's. It's a comercial cave, he gave
away nothing.
David
BXTAL1
Bill Folsom says:
>what's your point? Lurkers don't have quite as much of a right to post?
Welcome to the group, Bill.
See the regular post called "Cave: alt.caving Roll Call" for the answer to
this question.
Steve Lepera
Kenny Oliver (oli...@ka.net) wrote:
: As far as posting locations of caves in the U.S., please remember,
: there is a thing in the U.S. called freedom of speech. I wouldn't
: post locations to a particular cave on the internet myself, that would
: be like telling everyone where your favorite fishing spot was. But if
: somebody else would like to post a location of a cave they know, they
: do have that personal freedom, whether you like it or not.
I think you are deliberately missing the point, which is that
you shouldn't post locations of caves in the US. Not that you CAN'T
post them. The message is meant to inform persons who may not
realize the damage that may occur if the location of their favorite
cave(s) become(s) widely available.
Much too much is being made of all this recently. Speleo-politics
is the least enjoyable topic here recently and it's getting boring.
No, I haven't been caving and can't think of anything better to post
so there :)
--
Steve LePera /\v/\ Reacting Flow Lab
Graduate Student /\v/\ Randolph Hall
Mechanical Engineering Virginia Tech
(540)231-5882 lep...@stnick.me.vt.edu
Triumph Daytona 1971, Yamaha Seca 750, 1981 VPI #351 NSS#40805
Batwings Babay
In article <4vef4k$9...@dfw-ixnews3.ix.netcom.com>, bxt...@ix.netcom.co says...
>
>The freedom we enjoy, in making friendly requests to not post cave
>locations to the group; Tom Barton enjoys that same freedom by posting
>one.
>
>Tom Barton (t...@magicarpet.com) is certainly within his rights to post
>anything he wants.
Is bonnie talking through the wrong orifice? below is the returned message header I got
when I tried tto write this mytic figure:
Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:30:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: magicarpet.com: host not found)
To: <batw...@nrv.net>
Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
The original message was received at Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
from port-30.server2.nrv.net [206.99.236.112]
----- The following addresses have delivery notifications -----
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1996 20:30:24 -0400 (EDT)
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Bonnie Crystal
In <4vt2dg$n...@solaris.cc.vt.edu> lep...@stnick.me.vt.edu (Steve
Lepera) writes:
> Much too much is being made of all this recently.
Speleo-politics
>is the least enjoyable topic here recently and it's getting boring.
>
Subjects come and go in cycles it seems like...
I guess this is a cue for someone to write a good post about something
interesting like getting lost or stuck in secret caves where no one
knows where you are or something! :-)
Tom Barton
batw...@nrv.net (Batwings Babay) wrote:
>Is bonnie talking through the wrong orifice? below is the returned message header I got
>when I tried tto write this mytic figure:
>Date: Sat, 24 Aug 1996 20:30:26 -0400 (EDT)
>From: Mail Delivery Subsystem <MAILER-DAEMON>
>Subject: Returned mail: Host unknown (Name server: magicarpet.com: host not found)
>To: <batw...@nrv.net>
>Auto-Submitted: auto-generated (failure)
Dude..... There are 2 C's in Magiccarpet.com...... not
one..........
Other than that, thanks for nameing me a Mystical figure. Thats the
nicest thing I 've been called all day!!!!!!
Tom
E-Mail: t...@magiccarpet.com
Web server at:
http://www.galaxy.net/~trbarton/cavenews