any info would be greatly appreciated.
thx
Note: even though some on this group don't like the NSS, they have still
formed their own groups of caving buddies.
Aireene Espiritu wrote in message <01bdb405$180d4180$3bc085ce@default>...
Try these. Sorry, I have no way of knowing from here which ones are
actually closest to you.
be sure and visit us here if you ever get to Virginia.
Hoyt
> CA, Balcony Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh #41121-F5,
Coords: 414442N 1213244W
CA, Berthas Cupboard Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte,
Sh
#41121-F5, Coords: 414122N 1213146W
CA, Boulevard Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh
#41121-F5,
Coords: 414449N 1213243W
CA, Boyden Cave, Fresno Cnty (06019), Map: Wren Peak, Sh #36118-G7,
Coords:
364854N 1184902W
CA, Cave Campground, locale, Shasta Cnty (06089), Map: Old Station, Sh
#40121-
F4, Coords: 404106N 1212513W
CA, Cave Gulch, valley, Amador Cnty (06005), Map: Jackson, Sh #38120-C7,
Coords: 381655N 1204914W, SCoords: 381719N 1204935W
CA, Cave Gulch, valley, Santa Cruz Cnty (06087), Map: Santa Cruz, Felton,
Sh
#36122-H1 37122-A1, Coords: 365907N 1220413W, SCoords: 370045N 1220417W
CA, Cave Mountain, summit, Lassen Cnty (06035), Map: Spalding Tract, Sh
#40120-
F7, Coords: 404204N 1205134W, Ele: 6578
CA, Cave Point, summit, Contra Costa Cnty (06013), Map: Diablo, Sh
#37121-G8,
Coords: 375028N 1215251W
CA, Cave School, school, Solano Cnty (06095), Map: Benicia, Sh #38122-A2,
Coords: 380627N 1221317W
CA, Craig Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Caldwell Butte, Sh #41121-F4,
Coords: 414311N 1212719W
CA, Damons Cave, Modoc Cnty (06049), Map: Spaulding Butte, Sh #41121-E2,
Coords: 413108N 1211042W
CA, Fern Cave, Modoc Cnty (06049), Map: The Panhandle, Sh #41121-G4,
Coords:
414842N 1212716W
CA, Fossil Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: The Panhandle, Sh #41121-G4,
Coords: 414802N 1212839W
CA, Frozen River Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Caldwell Butte, Sh
#41121-
F4, Coords: 414432N 1212946W
CA, Hall City Cave, Trinity Cnty (06105), Map: Wildwood, Sh #40123-D1,
Coords:
402424N 1230026W, AKA: Hall City Caves (US-M120), Stat: BGN 1983, DList:
8301,
Ref: US-T121
CA, Heppe Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh
#41121-F5,
Coords: 414153N 1213241W
CA, Ice Cave Ridge, ridge, Lassen Cnty (06035), Map: Spalding Tract, Sh
#40120-
F7, Coords: 404057N 1204958W
CA, Mammoth Cave, Modoc Cnty (06049), Map: Perez, Sh #41121-F3, Coords:
414022N
1212003W
CA, Tickner Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh
#41121-F5,
Coords: 414115N 1213152W
CA, Upper Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh
#41121-F5,
Coords: 414153N 1213421W, AKA: Highland Reservoir
CA, Valentine Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Caldwell Butte, Sh
#41121-F4,
Coords: 414235N 1212837W
CA, Bat Cave, San Bernardino Cnty (06071), Map: Topock (AZ), Sh
#34114-F4,
Coords: 344243N 1142940W
CA, Bat Cave Wash, stream, San Bernardino Cnty (06071), Map: Topock (AZ),
Whale
Mountain, Sh #34114-F4 34114-F5, Coords: 344329N 1142931W, SCoords:
343928N
1143255W
CA, Bee Cave Canyon, valley, Monterey Cnty (06053), Map: Williams Hill,
Sh
#35121-H1, Coords: 355734N 1210142W, SCoords: 355711N 1210050W
CA, Cave Mountain, summit, San Bernardino Cnty (06071), Map: Cave
Mountain, Sh
#35116-A3, Coords: 350416N 1161924W, Ele: 3585
CA, Cave Spring, spring, San Bernardino Cnty (06071), Map: Avawatz Pass,
Sh
#35116-E4, Coords: 353224N 1162551W
CA, Deep Creek Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Tobias Peak, Sh #35118-G5,
Coords: 354840N 1183342W
CA, Painted Cave, Santa Barbara Cnty (06083), Map: Santa Cruz Island A,
Sh
#33119-H7, Coords: 340413N 1195128W
CA, Smugglers Cave, Imperial Cnty (06025), Map: In-Ko-Pah Gorge, Sh
#32116-F1,
Coords: 323806N 1160529W
CA, Winding Stair Cave, San Bernardino Cnty (06071), Map: Fountain Peak,
Sh
#34115-H5, Coords: 345756N 1153109W
CA, Merrill Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Schonchin Butte, Sh
#41121-
F5, Coords: 414345N 1213250W, AKA: Bearpaw Cave (US-M104/Shasta NF/1932),
Bearpaw Ice Cave (US-M109/Lava Beds NM/1934), Desc: Cave with permanent
ice,
1.5 mi SW of Schonchin Butte; Lava Beds National Monument, Desc: Named
for
Charles Henry Merrill, who homesteaded the land on which the cave is
located,
Stat: BGN 1949, EDate: 9008, Ref: US-T121
CA, Indian Cave, Mariposa Cnty (06043), Map: Half Dome, Sh #37119-F5,
Coords:
374440N 1193330W, Desc: About .5 mi S of Mirror Lake, in Yosemite NP,
Stat: BGN
1932, EDate: 9008, Ref: US-T121
CA, Cave City, ppl, Calaveras Cnty (06009), Map: Calaveritas, Sh
#38120-B5,
Coords: 381209N 1203027W, Ele: 1614
CA, Captain Jacks Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Caldwell Butte,
Sh
#41121-F4, Coords: 374602N 1192500W, Stat: BGN 1970
CA, Big Cave, Shasta Cnty (06089), Map: Coble Mountain, Sh #40121-H3,
Coords:
405700N 1212208W, Lassen NF
CA, Bower Cave, Mariposa Cnty (06043), Map: Buckhorn Peak, Sh #37120-F1,
Coords: 374452N 1200209W, Stanislaus NF
CA, Cave Country, area, Tuolumne Cnty (06109), Map: Columbia, Sh
#38120-A4,
Coords: 380431N 1202352W, Stanislaus NF
CA, Cave Creek, stream, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Giant Forest, Sh
#36118-E7,
Coords: 363505N 1184956W, SCoords: 363630N 1185104W, Sequoia NF, Stat:
BGN 1928
CA, Cave Creek, stream, Trinity Cnty (06105), Map: Naufus Creek, Sh
#40123-D3,
Coords: 402251N 1232005W, SCoords: 402504N 1232007W, Trinity NF
CA, Cave Creek, stream, Mendocino Cnty (06045), Map: Foster Mountain,
Redwood
Valley, Sh #39123-D2 39123-C2, Coords: 392520N 1231412W, SCoords: 392211N
1231244W, Mendocino NF
CA, Cave Creek, stream, Butte Cnty (06007), Map: Richardson Springs,
Campbell
Mound, Sh #39121-G7 39121-H7, Coords: 395023N 1214638W, SCoords: 395259N
1214511W, Lassen NF, AKA: Mud Creek
CA, Cave Lake, lake, Modoc Cnty (06049), Map: Mount Bidwell, Sh
#41120-H2,
Coords: 415849N 1201229W, Modoc NF, Fremont NF
CA, Cave Spring, spring, Tehama Cnty (06103), Map: Panther Spring, Sh
#40121-
B7, Coords: 400802N 1214643W, Lassen NF
CA, Crystal Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Giant Forest, Sh #36118-E7,
Coords:
363522N 1184934W, Sequoia NF, Stat: BGN 1928
CA, Del Loma Cave, Trinity Cnty (06105), Map: Del Loma, Sh #40123-G3,
Coords:
404638N 1231939W, Ele: 1175, Trinity NF
CA, Ice Cave Mountain, summit, Tehama Cnty (06103), Map: Childs Meadows,
Sh
#40121-C4, Coords: 402019N 1212337W, Lassen NF
CA, Kingsley Cave, Tehama Cnty (06103), Map: Panther Spring, Sh
#40121-B7,
Coords: 401008N 1215006W, Lassen NF
CA, Little Cave Creek, stream, Mendocino Cnty (06045), Map: Foster
Mountain,
Willits, Sh #39123-D2 39123-D3, Coords: 392335N 1231353W, SCoords:
392314N
1231551W, Mendocino NF
CA, Mayfield Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Indian Spring
Mountain, Sh
#41121-C5, Coords: 411929N 1213236W, Shasta NF, Lassen NF
CA, Mercer Cave, Calaveras Cnty (06009), Map: Murphys, Sh #38120-B4,
Coords:
380905N 1202838W, Stanislaus NF
CA, Pluto Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Juniper Flat, Sh #41122-E3,
Coords:
413402N 1221657W, Klamath NF, Shasta NF, AKA: The Caves
CA, Popcorn Cave, Shasta Cnty (06089), Map: Coble Mountain, Sh #40121-H3,
Coords: 405710N 1212222W, Lassen NF
CA, Pythian Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Gazelle, Sh #41122-E5,
Coords:
413531N 1223503W, Klamath NF
CA, Subway Cave, Shasta Cnty (06089), Map: Old Station, Sh #40121-F4,
Coords:
404111N 1212457W, Lassen NF
CA, Yellowjacket Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Medicine Lake, Sh
#41121-
E5, Coords: 413046N 1213243W, Klamath NF, Modoc NF
CA, Cave Rocks, summit, Riverside Cnty (06065), Map: Anza, Sh #33116-E6,
Coords: 333325N 1164202W, San Bernardino NF
CA, Cave Spring, spring, Riverside Cnty (06065), Map: Lake Fulmor, Sh
#33116-
G7, Coords: 334622N 1164920W, San Bernardino NF, AKA: Sycamore Spring
CA, Clough Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Dennison Peak, Sh #36118-C7,
Coords:
362101N 1184541W, Sequoia NF, Stat: BGN 1928
CA, Erskine Creek Cave, Kern Cnty (06029), Map: Lake Isabella South, Sh
#35118-
E4, Coords: 353539N 1182709W, Sequoia NF
CA, Greenhorn Cave, Kern Cnty (06029), Map: Miracle Hot Springs, Sh
#35118-E5,
Coords: 353415N 1183524W, Sequoia NF
CA, Packsaddle Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Fairview, Sh #35118-H4,
Coords:
355618N 1182745W, Sequoia NF
CA, Palmer Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Case Mountain, Sh #36118-D7,
Coords:
362234N 1184537W, Sequoia NF, Stat: BGN 1928
CA, Paradise Cave, Tulare Cnty (06107), Map: Case Mountain, Sh #36118-D7,
Coords: 362843N 1184540W, Sequoia NF, Stat: BGN 1928
CA, Cave Lake Campground, locale, Modoc Cnty (06049), Map: Mount Bidwell,
Sh
#41120-H2, Coords: 415842N 1201217W, Ele: 6750, Modoc NF, AKA: Cave Lake
Recreation Site (US-M104/Modoc NF/1986), EDate: 9209, Ref: US-M125/1984
CA, Jot Dean Ice Cave, Siskiyou Cnty (06093), Map: Porcupine Butte, Sh
#41121-
D5, Coords: 412927N 1213659W, Ele: 5420, Shasta NF, AKA: Jot Dean Caves
(US-
M104/Modoc NF/1986), EDate: 9210, Ref: US-M101/1990
CA, Samwell Cave, basin, Shasta Cnty (06089), Map: Bollibokka Mountain,
Sh
#40122-H2, Coords: 405513N 1221416W, Ele: 1280, Shasta NF, EDate: 9210,
Ref: US-
M104/Shasta NF/1987
Cindy is correct in her statements about cave closures. Most of the CA caves
do not have armed landowners to protect them, but the various public
agencies and corportate owners of caves are rather scared of law suits. They
would rather deny access, than risk much.
If you are new to caving, the adventure tours at several of our commercial
caves are a good, if muddy and trying introduction. If you are experienced,
contact one of the local caving clubs. If you are patient and willing to
help on conservation, survey and other projects, it will get you into a lot
more caves out here than you can find on a USGS map. Also, very few maps of
the west carry cave locations, and then only the commercial caves or ones
developed specifically for tours.
Marc
Caver
> Oh, BTW Ollie, I forwarded your post to the cave specialists for the
> national parks. I'm sure you'll just endear yourself to them. I bet
> they'll just love you sending people to some of those closed caves.
> Especially with ones with the bat maternity colonies in them.
There seems to be some confusion as to the Federal governments role in
keeping caves located on Federal lands secret. The FCRPA of 1988 says:
"Sec 5a, Information concerning the specific location of any significant cave
may not be made available to the public under section 552 of title 5, United
States Code, unless the Secretary determines that disclosure of such information
would further the purposes of this Act and would not create a substantial risk
of harm, theft, or destruction of such cave."
Which simply says the government does not have to respond to Freedom of
Information Act requests for cave locations. Removing locations from published
material, e.g. USGS topo maps, is an interpretation of the law.
Second, what are the "purposes" of the FCRPA:
"Sec 2b, The purposes of this Act are-- (1) to secure, protect, and preserve
significant caves on Federal lands for the perpetual use, enjoyment, and benefit
of all people; and (2) to foster increased cooperation and exchange of
information between governmental authorities and those who utilize caves
located on Federal lands for scientific, education, or recreational purposes."
So the government is obligated to secure caves for the use of all people, not
just bats. Futhermore, the government is required to facilitate cooperation
between the People and the government for the recreational use of caves.
That is just one interpretation of the Law, not one designed to control and
restrict information.
Garry Petrie