Urgent - Cat Covered In Paint !
Ian Coates
Our cat has just wandered in in quite a state. It looks like she's sat on
something with wet paint and it is stuck to her stomach and all over her
paws.
I have managed to comb the majority of the paint from her stomach, but she
keeps flicking her paws as the paint dries.
I am a bit concerned as the smell is very bad and i'm worried that this, and
the fact she is trying to clean herself - is there a chance of poisoning or
similar ?
If anyone has any advice on how to remove the paint quickly I would be most
grateful.
Cheers.
Ian..
Twilight16
would take a look outside and try to find out what your cat has gotten into. If
the paint/substance has not gone all the way to the skin I would cut the fur
off in the places it's covered. Missing fur will not harm your cat, but the
substance could. You'll also want to make sure the substance has not made
contact all the way to the skin and caused a reaction. If you can find what
substance your cat has gotten into, call your local poison control center and
they should be able to tell you if anything in it could be toxic to domestic
animals. I had to do this when my idiot ex-roommate decided to put hair
coloring dye on my cat! I don't know of a solution to remove whatever your cat
has gotten into, but I would try a warm washcloth for now. You could probably
use some mild soap as long as you're sure to rinse it all off. I would get some
pet shampoo as soon as possible, unless your vet has alternate advice. Good
luck.
Helen Miles
emergency 24 hour number. Paint is toxic, and so are any chemicals to
remove it. The vet will be able to sedate you cat and clip the paint out. DO
IT NOW! Once you've done that, please let us know what happens! :)
Helen M
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Frank H Davis Esq.
First make up an elizabethan collar from stiff card to stop her
licking it.
Next, is it gloss or emulsion paint?
If emulsion then wash with warm soapy water. If gloss then the best
bet is to remove as much as you can with dry paper towels and then
take the cat to a vets on Monday so they can remove the last bits
(they may well shave off the worst bits.
--
Frank.
Helen
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> If emulsion then wash with warm soapy water. If gloss then the best
> bet is to remove as much as you can with dry paper towels and then
> take the cat to a vets on Monday so they can remove the last bits
> (they may well shave off the worst bits.
Actually, Frank, UK vets are obliged to provide 24/7 cover so there is no
reason why Ian should not take his cat in today and minimise any possible
problems.
Helen
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Gerry
"Helen" <helena...@DONOTSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> "Frank H Davis Esq." <Fr...@evenloade.totalserve.net> wrote in message
> news:3a988ced...@news.hot-toast.com...
> > If emulsion then wash with warm soapy water. If gloss then the best
> > bet is to remove as much as you can with dry paper towels and then
> > take the cat to a vets on Monday so they can remove the last bits
> > (they may well shave off the worst bits.
>
> Actually, Frank, UK vets are obliged to provide 24/7 cover so there is no
> reason why Ian should not take his cat in today and minimise any possible
> problems.
Actually the original posted did say the paint smelled bad. That would tell
me right off this it is likely an oil-based (petroleum) paint involved
rather than an acrylic or other water soluble paint. Wet oil-based is bad,
slow to dry, and would definitely be taken as an immediate "emergency", even
if the cat was unable to directly ingest it. Frank should be the last person
to give advice when he obviously doesn't know what he's talking about.
"Gloss" paints refers to the finish of the paint, so does "flat", and
"satin", and has *nothing* to do with the chemical composition of the paint
since these various finishes are available in both water-based and oil-based
paint.
I hope the original poster got his cat to the vet ok.
Gerry
NY WRITER
something with wet paint and it is stuck to her stomach and all over her paws.
I have managed to comb the majority of the paint from her stomach, but she
Newsgroups are great for advice on routine situations. One shouldn't depend on
them to get info needed for emergency situations. The person you should be
calling is a vet...paints are toxic (poisonous) substances. You should ask a
vet for advice. The advice coming over the phone takes a few minutes to
dispense (and the vet may ask you to bring the cat to the office) Newsgroups
postings can take hours/days. Why would you wait that time since this situation
should be taken care of immediately?
Bob Brenchley.
In the UK, Gloss paint is taken to mean oil based paints, emulsion to
mean water based paints. Neither of which will harm the cat is not
ingested.
Most gloss paints will dry within two hours, four at the outside.
Unless there is reason to believe the cat has ingested some of the
paint or unless the paint is in the eyes or ears, there is no teal
need for emergency treatment.
The one exception I would make would be creosote as that can damage
the skin.
--
Bob.
Why doesn't super-glue stick to the inside of the tube?
Alison
Helen <helena...@DONOTSPAMntlworld.com> wrote in message
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> > If emulsion then wash with warm soapy water. If gloss then the best
> > bet is to remove as much as you can with dry paper towels and then
> > take the cat to a vets on Monday so they can remove the last bits
> > (they may well shave off the worst bits.
>
> Actually, Frank, UK vets are obliged to provide 24/7 cover so there is no
> reason why Ian should not take his cat in today and minimise any possible
> problems.
>
> Helen
yes, its best to take the cat in straight away incase its ingested any paint
alison
Sherry Riddles
>mean water based paints. Neither of which will harm the cat is not
>ingested.
>
>Most gloss paints will dry within two hours, four at the outside.
>Unless there is reason to believe the cat has ingested some of the
>paint or unless the paint is in the eyes or ears, there is no teal
>need for emergency treatment.
>
>The one exception I would make would be creosote as that can damage
>the skin.
>
>--
>Bob.
It would be pretty naive to assume that none of the substance stuck to a cat's
fur was not ingested. The cat has surely licked itself and tried to clean it
off and ingested some of it. I'd call the vet today. There is no reason to wait
until Monday if there's a vet available by phone on Sunday.
Sherry
Gerry
"Bob Brenchley." <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
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> <SNIP>
Bobbity Education Time:
> In the UK, Gloss paint is taken to mean oil based paints, emulsion to
> mean water based paints. Neither of which will harm the cat is not
> ingested.
WRONG!
- from the Health and Safety Brochure of the National Paint and Coatings
Association (NPCA):
"If you get paint on your skin, wash it off immediately"
"Prolonged or skin contact with any hazardous components in paint products
can cause acute effects, such as dizziness, headache, and nausea. Long-term
overexposure to solvents can cause chronic effects such as brain or nervous
system damage. And if some hazardous components are absorbed into the
bloodstream through contact with the skin, immediate or delayed health
effects could result."
> Most gloss paints will dry within two hours, four at the outside.
WRONG! In general, fast dry type oil-based paint application will feel dry
to the touch after 10 hours if outdoors. A minimum of 24 hours drying time
is required between coats. However, the solvent is released from a normal
application for several days.
> Unless there is reason to believe the cat has ingested some of the
> paint or unless the paint is in the eyes or ears, there is no teal
> need for emergency treatment.
WRONG! See reference above from NPCA.
> The one exception I would make would be creosote as that can damage
> the skin.
WRONG! Creosote is not a paint, but a wood preservative that was once used
for railway ties and telephone poles. Because it is a highly toxic
carcinogen, it's use is prohibited and has been banned for consumer use in
Canada for many many years.
This is the reason why FrankenBob normally don't give advice to those in
need of help on this NG. Their advice would KILL or seriously harm the cat!
Try answering things you know *something* about!
Gerry
Cathy Friedmann
Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
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AFAIK, & have experienced when painting, vinyl/water-based paints are the
ones w/ the faster drying time (2 - 4 hours), whereas alkyd/oil-based paints
take a longer time to dry. I think you have it all backwards. Oil-based
paints tend to smell worse than the milder water-based ones, so I would
hazard a guess that the cat didn't get into a water-based paint.
If what you say is true for the UK, I wonder why all oil-based paints are
deemed "gloss", if they can have a flat, eggshell, semi-gloss, or high gloss
finish??
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
Jericho4L
time we paint something, he of course wants to help us, and ends up getting
paint all in his hair. Since we use latex paint we just throw him in the
sink and give him a quick bath to get the paint out. If it is oil based
paint I suggest that you contact your vet and get their advise.
--
John
www.geocities.com/jericho4l
"Sometimes life can be as bitter as dragon tears. But whether dragon tears
are bitter or sweet depends on how each man perceives the taste."
--Old Chinese Proverb
"Alison" <alis...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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Bob Brenchley.
wrote:
>AFAIK, & have experienced when painting, vinyl/water-based paints are the
>ones w/ the faster drying time (2 - 4 hours), whereas alkyd/oil-based paints
>take a longer time to dry. I think you have it all backwards. Oil-based
>paints tend to smell worse than the milder water-based ones, so I would
>hazard a guess that the cat didn't get into a water-based paint.
I got it the right way round, but I would agree that from the sound of
it the smell indicates something other than water based paint.
>
>If what you say is true for the UK, I wonder why all oil-based paints are
>deemed "gloss", if they can have a flat, eggshell, semi-gloss, or high gloss
>finish??
Just shorthand. You actually hear people asking for matt-gloss :)
It could be that for years eggshell and matt were not used very much
so gloss just came to mean oil based.
>
>Cathy
--
Bob.
After the government takes enough to balance the budget, the taxpayer
has the job of budgeting the balance.
Bob Brenchley.
>
>"Bob Brenchley." <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
>news:luid8tstngjfc5li4...@4ax.com...
>> <SNIP>
>
>Bobbity Education Time:
>
>> In the UK, Gloss paint is taken to mean oil based paints, emulsion to
>> mean water based paints. Neither of which will harm the cat is not
>> ingested.
>
>WRONG!
>
> - from the Health and Safety Brochure of the National Paint and Coatings
>Association (NPCA):
>
>"If you get paint on your skin, wash it off immediately"
>"Prolonged or skin contact with any hazardous components in paint products
>can cause acute effects, such as dizziness, headache, and nausea. Long-term
>overexposure to solvents can cause chronic effects such as brain or nervous
>system damage. And if some hazardous components are absorbed into the
>bloodstream through contact with the skin, immediate or delayed health
>effects could result."
My My My, you have some very evil stuff in your country don't you.
Glad that sort of stuff is not allowed over here.
>
>> Most gloss paints will dry within two hours, four at the outside.
>
>WRONG! In general, fast dry type oil-based paint application will feel dry
>to the touch after 10 hours if outdoors. A minimum of 24 hours drying time
>is required between coats. However, the solvent is released from a normal
>application for several days.
Hahahahahaha. Most oil paints are touch dry in an hour an ready for a
second coat after 4 hours. You do have some strange paints over there
Gerry.
>
>> Unless there is reason to believe the cat has ingested some of the
>> paint or unless the paint is in the eyes or ears, there is no teal
>> need for emergency treatment.
>
>WRONG! See reference above from NPCA.
>
>> The one exception I would make would be creosote as that can damage
>> the skin.
>
>WRONG! Creosote is not a paint, but a wood preservative that was once used
>for railway ties and telephone poles. Because it is a highly toxic
>carcinogen, it's use is prohibited and has been banned for consumer use in
>Canada for many many years.
Ah. So you allow very toxic paints which can be used indoors - but you
ban a tried and tested preservative that is used outside???? What a
strange land you live in Gerry.
>
>This is the reason why FrankenBob normally don't give advice to those in
>need of help on this NG. Their advice would KILL or seriously harm the cat!
>Try answering things you know *something* about!
Guess what Gerry the advice I gave can right out of the Small Animal
First Aid leaflet issued by the vets.
Now stop making out you know something about cats because it is clear
you don't.
--
Bob.
Not the brightest crayon in the box, now are you?
Sherry Riddles
>ban a tried and tested preservative that is used outside???? What a
>strange land you live in Gerry.
>>
Duh!! In our countries, we do not lick the paint off our skin when spilled. But
our cats probably would. You were wrong again, Boob. Another danger you should
have never minimized.
Sherry
Frank H Davis Esq.
<helena...@DONOTSPAMntlworld.com> wrote:
>"Frank H Davis Esq." <Fr...@evenloade.totalserve.net> wrote in message
>news:3a988ced...@news.hot-toast.com...
>> If emulsion then wash with warm soapy water. If gloss then the best
>> bet is to remove as much as you can with dry paper towels and then
>> take the cat to a vets on Monday so they can remove the last bits
>> (they may well shave off the worst bits.
>
>Actually, Frank, UK vets are obliged to provide 24/7 cover so there is no
>reason why Ian should not take his cat in today and minimise any possible
>problems.
>
Obliged? By who?
--
Frank.
Gerry
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 19:41:48 GMT, "Gerry" <gma...@home.com> wrote:
>
> >
> >"Bob Brenchley." <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
> >news:luid8tstngjfc5li4...@4ax.com...
> >> <SNIP>
> >
> >Bobbity Education Time:
> >
> >> In the UK, Gloss paint is taken to mean oil based paints, emulsion to
> >> mean water based paints. Neither of which will harm the cat is not
> >> ingested.
> >
> >WRONG!
> >
> > - from the Health and Safety Brochure of the National Paint and Coatings
> >Association (NPCA):
> >
> >"If you get paint on your skin, wash it off immediately"
> >"Prolonged or skin contact with any hazardous components in paint
products
> >can cause acute effects, such as dizziness, headache, and nausea.
Long-term
> >overexposure to solvents can cause chronic effects such as brain or
nervous
> >system damage. And if some hazardous components are absorbed into the
> >bloodstream through contact with the skin, immediate or delayed health
> >effects could result."
>
> My My My, you have some very evil stuff in your country don't you.
> Glad that sort of stuff is not allowed over here.
Yes they do allow it. In fact, the NPCA is an international organization
that serves the UK as well as Canada. Oil-based paint solvents are not
environment or human friendly, which is why even reclamation and recycling
centers accept *even* your paint in the UK and you are urged not to dump
paint into regular landfills. Here it is illegal to do so, because our laws
are pretty strict in my municipality on what you can throw out. For
instance it is prohibited to throw out yard waste or grass clippings as
well.
> >> Most gloss paints will dry within two hours, four at the outside.
> >
> >WRONG! In general, fast dry type oil-based paint application will feel
dry
> >to the touch after 10 hours if outdoors. A minimum of 24 hours drying
time
> >is required between coats. However, the solvent is released from a
normal
> >application for several days.
>
> Hahahahahaha. Most oil paints are touch dry in an hour an ready for a
> second coat after 4 hours. You do have some strange paints over there
> Gerry.
That is called "Latex" paint, and it is water soluble. Go to any paint
manufacture site and read their specs on oil based paint. I have several
cans in the basement. I simply checked the label, then went to HGTV's
website where they give general guidelines in order to provide an accurate
figure.
> >> Unless there is reason to believe the cat has ingested some of the
> >> paint or unless the paint is in the eyes or ears, there is no teal
> >> need for emergency treatment.
> >
> >WRONG! See reference above from NPCA.
> >
> >> The one exception I would make would be creosote as that can damage
> >> the skin.
> >
> >WRONG! Creosote is not a paint, but a wood preservative that was once
used
> >for railway ties and telephone poles. Because it is a highly toxic
> >carcinogen, it's use is prohibited and has been banned for consumer use
in
> >Canada for many many years.
>
> Ah. So you allow very toxic paints which can be used indoors - but you
> ban a tried and tested preservative that is used outside???? What a
> strange land you live in Gerry.
Creosote has been tested all right. And its *much* more toxic than any
legal paint solvents used in my country. Creosote does not break down
quickly, and is a proven carcinogen through that testing.
> >This is the reason why FrankenBob normally don't give advice to those in
> >need of help on this NG. Their advice would KILL or seriously harm the
cat!
> >Try answering things you know *something* about!
>
> Guess what Gerry the advice I gave can right out of the Small Animal
> First Aid leaflet issued by the vets.
And if that leaflet says to leave oil-based paint on your cat overnight,
then I suggest you get another leaflet - and quick. Solvent constituants
in oil based paint can be absorbed by your skin, causing toxic results.
This is why on your cans of oil-based paint it tells you to wash paint from
your skin immediately if accidents occur. This would be especially
important for small animals that may get a fair amount of body coverage
compared to a human's hand. Surface area affected relates directly to the
speed and severity of toxic effects. However ingestion can cause a fairly
quick, but painful death. If your cat gets covered in oil-based paint, it
should indeed be treated as an emergency.
> Now stop making out you know something about cats because it is clear
> you don't.
The advice you give is dangerous. And yes, I know a bit more about paint &
cats than you do, especially when the two are mixed together. It's a "bad"
thing, and something that should not be left on the cat. And I wouldn't
argue with the NPCA, they are represented by 100's of major paint
manufacturers accross the world. However if you have scientific information
which contradicts what the NPCA and the world's paint manufacturers advise,
you are free to enlighten them with your evidence and studies.
Gerry
Cathy Friedmann
> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:19:47 GMT, "Cathy Friedmann" <c...@borg.com>
> wrote:
>
> >AFAIK, & have experienced when painting, vinyl/water-based paints are the
> >ones w/ the faster drying time (2 - 4 hours), whereas alkyd/oil-based
paints
> >take a longer time to dry. I think you have it all backwards. Oil-based
> >paints tend to smell worse than the milder water-based ones, so I would
> >hazard a guess that the cat didn't get into a water-based paint.
>
> I got it the right way round,
Are you *positive* it's not the water-based that dries faster? I suppose
it's possible, but I don't understand why a water-based paint would dry
faster on this side of the Atlantic than on the UK side, or why an oil-based
would dry faster over there than here. Doesn't seem logical.
but I would agree that from the sound of
> it the smell indicates something other than water based paint.
Glad to see we agree on *something*.
> >If what you say is true for the UK, I wonder why all oil-based paints are
> >deemed "gloss", if they can have a flat, eggshell, semi-gloss, or high
gloss
> >finish??
> Just shorthand. You actually hear people asking for matt-gloss :)
Talk about an oxymoron. ;-) If I want an oil-based gloss paint, I have to
ask for it; otherwise they'll want to know if I want latex/vinyl *or*
oil/alkyd gloss, since water-based & oil-based each come in all of the
various finishes.
>
> It could be that for years eggshell and matt were not used very much
> so gloss just came to mean oil based.
>
> --
> Bob.
Hmmm... but flat & eggshell are often used for the walls, whereas
semi-gloss & high gloss are usually used for trim/woodwork. Except for
kitchens & baths, where a semi-gloss is usually on the walls, too - for
easier clean-up/washing.
Anyone else in the UK have input, too?
Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells
I might add here that home remedies for removing paint such as
turpentine or white spirit should not be used on cats. The effect on
a cat's skin could be as bad as that of the paint itself.
Beth
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> Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
> news:cn3e8tgu75mmbjbir...@4ax.com...
> Are you *positive* it's not the water-based that dries faster? I suppose
> it's possible, but I don't understand why a water-based paint would dry
> faster on this side of the Atlantic than on the UK side, or why an
oil-based
> would dry faster over there than here. Doesn't seem logical.
Cathy, based on what I'm reading in the rest of this thread, and what I
personally know about paint, Bob either has absolutely no idea what he's
talking about, or else he is deliberately posting misinformation in that
adorable troll-like way of his. Or both.
Water-based paint is *always* going to dry faster than oil-based paint,
regardless of what side of the Atlantic you're on, or what you call it, or
how 'glossy' it is.
Frank H Davis Esq.
>> My My My, you have some very evil stuff in your country don't you.
>> Glad that sort of stuff is not allowed over here.
>
>Yes they do allow it. In fact, the NPCA is an international organization
>that serves the UK as well as Canada. Oil-based paint solvents are not
>environment or human friendly, which is why even reclamation and recycling
>centers accept *even* your paint in the UK and you are urged not to dump
>paint into regular landfills. Here it is illegal to do so, because our laws
>are pretty strict in my municipality on what you can throw out. For
>instance it is prohibited to throw out yard waste or grass clippings as
>well.
Now I have to explain that my wife is very into the environment and
recycling. Fully paid up member of the Green Party.
And I can say that at NO recycling centre I've ever seen in the UK
have I ever seen paint being collected. Paper, Glass, Rags and a few
other bits, but never paint.
--
Frank.
Cathy Friedmann
oil-based, for disposal. If it's latex/acrylic/vinyl - IOW water-based,
then you can set out the cans to be picked up w/ the regular trash, but
*only* if the cans are empty & dried out. Otherwise, they also (if still
partially filled) have to be brought to the recycling center for proper
disposal.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
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Helen Miles
--
Throw the cat out before replying
> Obliged? By who?
It is law in the UK for a vet to provide 24 hour emergency cover. You ring
the surgery, and then you are given the emergency number of the duty vet
(usually his cell phone). I've called my vet out at 3am before now, for a
emergency. (The cat was having fits)
Helen M
>
> --
> Frank.
Frank H Davis Esq.
wrote:
>Paint here (NYS, U.S.) also has to be brought to a recycling center, if it's
>oil-based, for disposal. If it's latex/acrylic/vinyl - IOW water-based,
>then you can set out the cans to be picked up w/ the regular trash, but
>*only* if the cans are empty & dried out. Otherwise, they also (if still
>partially filled) have to be brought to the recycling center for proper
>disposal.
>
>Cathy
I agree it would make some sense, but as yet we do not have such rules
in the UK.
--
Frank.
Frank H Davis Esq.
<helen.mi...@virgin.net> wrote:
>> Obliged? By who?
>
>It is law in the UK for a vet to provide 24 hour emergency cover. You ring
>the surgery, and then you are given the emergency number of the duty vet
>(usually his cell phone). I've called my vet out at 3am before now, for a
>emergency. (The cat was having fits)
>
>Helen M
I'm certainly not aware of that law. I will check and get back to you.
--
Frank.
Gerry
"Disgusted of Tunbridge Wells" <disg...@tunbridge.wells> wrote in message
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> <SNIP>
> I might add here that home remedies for removing paint such as
> turpentine or white spirit should not be used on cats. The effect on
> a cat's skin could be as bad as that of the paint itself.
Good point! Paint thinners and solvents used for cleaning up oil paints
contain benzene and all sorts of nasties that are not mean't to be in
contact with skin.
Gerry
Gerry
> Paint here (NYS, U.S.) also has to be brought to a recycling center, if
it's
> oil-based, for disposal. If it's latex/acrylic/vinyl - IOW water-based,
> then you can set out the cans to be picked up w/ the regular trash, but
> *only* if the cans are empty & dried out. Otherwise, they also (if still
> partially filled) have to be brought to the recycling center for proper
> disposal.
You guys too? Wow, and I was starting to think after reading Frank's post
we were the only ones here in Canada. Considering both the US and Canada
do, I'm very surprised the UK does not considering their population density.
Gerry
Cathy Friedmann
brought to a filling station, to be disposed of properly; for years now, no
more dumping the old gunk down the nearest storm drain!
For my county in NYS, we recycle other waste by:
-corrugated cardboard flattened & tied (or in a paper bag),
-all papers & non-corrugated cardboard in a paper bag or tied,
-all glass (except the bottles that get brought back to the grocery store to
get one's $.05 deposit/bottle back),
all plastics with recycling #1 - 6, & waxed containers - like milk
cartons - in a recycling container
All of this gets put out at the curb w/ the other garbage on collection
nights, & is dealt w/at the local recycling center.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
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Gerry
> Yes, same w/ motor oil, for people who change their own oil - which can
be
> brought to a filling station, to be disposed of properly; for years now,
no
> more dumping the old gunk down the nearest storm drain!
>
> For my county in NYS, we recycle other waste by:
>
> -corrugated cardboard flattened & tied (or in a paper bag),
> -all papers & non-corrugated cardboard in a paper bag or tied,
> -all glass (except the bottles that get brought back to the grocery store
to
> get one's $.05 deposit/bottle back),
> all plastics with recycling #1 - 6, & waxed containers - like milk
> cartons - in a recycling container
>
> All of this gets put out at the curb w/ the other garbage on collection
> nights, & is dealt w/at the local recycling center.
Interesting. When I had to live in Florida for awhile (came back 2 years
ago) because of a job, there didn't seem to be any sign of recycling there.
Of course it wasn't a "normal" neighborhood, it was one of those gated
communities. I'm still unsure if they have regular neighborhoods in Florida
(kidding! - they have both normal and abnormal areas). Here in Canada, we
have containers called "Blue Boxes" that we put the recyclable stuff in.
Well, actually they introduced a new "Black box" cause they decided to split
it up for glass/plastic and paper. The black one is now for paper. Then
they have these huge paper bags for yard waste once in spring and fall. For
everything else they actually gave out these big green composters for our
backyards for free. Things sure have changed over the years haven't they?
Gerry
Frank H Davis Esq.
Well rest assured we do not. I checked today with the departments
waste manager. Apparently if you take paint and some other stuff to
the council tip then they will ask you to put it in the skip reserved
for chemicals that will go to special section of the dump. But as most
rubbish will just be put in the dustbin there are few areas that
attempt to sort - it all goes to landfill.
--
Frank.
Frank H Davis Esq.
wrote:
>Yes, same w/ motor oil, for people who change their own oil - which can be
>brought to a filling station, to be disposed of properly; for years now, no
>more dumping the old gunk down the nearest storm drain!
Yes, that is true here as well. IIRC the oil is treated, filtered, and
used in a couple of power stations here.
>
>For my county in NYS, we recycle other waste by:
>
>-corrugated cardboard flattened & tied (or in a paper bag),
>-all papers & non-corrugated cardboard in a paper bag or tied,
>-all glass (except the bottles that get brought back to the grocery store to
>get one's $.05 deposit/bottle back),
> all plastics with recycling #1 - 6, & waxed containers - like milk
>cartons - in a recycling container
Yep. All except the waxed cartons.
>
>All of this gets put out at the curb w/ the other garbage on collection
>nights, & is dealt w/at the local recycling center.
This happens in some areas, and is growing, but most of us have to
take a trip to a recycling centre ourselves.
Added to that is compostable material, car tires (chopped and mixed to
form road surfacing material), twigs and branches and xmas trees
(chipped and used for ground cover in gardens).
>
>Cathy
--
Frank.
Cathy Friedmann
trimmed branches, etc.) gets mulched; the mulch is then free to anyone who
wants to go pick some up.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
Frank H Davis Esq. <Fr...@evenloade.totalserve.net> wrote in message
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Bob Brenchley.
wrote:
>Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
>news:cn3e8tgu75mmbjbir...@4ax.com...
>> On Sun, 11 Feb 2001 20:19:47 GMT, "Cathy Friedmann" <c...@borg.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >AFAIK, & have experienced when painting, vinyl/water-based paints are the
>> >ones w/ the faster drying time (2 - 4 hours), whereas alkyd/oil-based
>paints
>> >take a longer time to dry. I think you have it all backwards. Oil-based
>> >paints tend to smell worse than the milder water-based ones, so I would
>> >hazard a guess that the cat didn't get into a water-based paint.
>>
>> I got it the right way round,
>
>Are you *positive* it's not the water-based that dries faster? I suppose
>it's possible, but I don't understand why a water-based paint would dry
>faster on this side of the Atlantic than on the UK side, or why an oil-based
>would dry faster over there than here. Doesn't seem logical.
It is complicated. I'll email you in the next couple of days. I've
been in London today and dealing with bully boy Phil is driving me to
strong drink :)
--
Bob.
Now enjoying the new millennium which started on January 1st 2001.
Cathy Friedmann
one point, & disagreed on the other.
Agreed: Said that oil-based paint is referred to as "gloss", regardless of
its finish (matte or glossy, or in-between) & that water-based is referred
to as "emulsion" in the UK.
Disagreed: Said that water-based (emulsion) paint is fast-drying, whereas
oil-based ("gloss") is slow to dry.
Cathy
--
"Decades gliding by like Indians, time is cheap." Paul Simon
("René & Georgette Magritte with their Dog after the War")
Bob Brenchley. <B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote in message
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Ian
thing, struck off if you fail to do so.
http://www.rcvs.org.uk/professional_conduct/response/resp_pat.htm
Ian
--
Find your nearest UK vet at www.vetlist.co.uk
"Frank H Davis Esq." <Fr...@evenloade.totalserve.net> wrote in message
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BonsaiK...@aol.com
Far too much goes into landfills that has absolutely NO business going
there! Worst part is eventually they'll end up levelling it and
probably building houses on it. Not to mention the fact that it seems
like every time you turn around there's yet another area where wells
are contaminated.
BonsaiK...@aol.com
wrote:
Children's rooms also tend to get semi-gloss at least when they're
young. I helped my friends put in a playroom for their kids and it's
got semi-gloss on the walls and the floor is Pergo and both have come
in REAL handy with a 2 year old who tends to draw on everything BUT
paper!
BonsaiK...@aol.com
They have recycling in many areas in Florida but it's a constant fight
especially if Waste Management is the company doing the trash pickup
as they only want to recycle the things that they can make money doing
so. It's not unknown for the "recycle" stuff to never make it for
recycling.
Frank H Davis Esq.
>>Well rest assured we do not. I checked today with the departments
>>waste manager. Apparently if you take paint and some other stuff to
>>the council tip then they will ask you to put it in the skip reserved
>>for chemicals that will go to special section of the dump. But as most
>>rubbish will just be put in the dustbin there are few areas that
>>attempt to sort - it all goes to landfill.
>
>Far too much goes into landfills that has absolutely NO business going
>there! Worst part is eventually they'll end up levelling it and
>probably building houses on it. Not to mention the fact that it seems
>like every time you turn around there's yet another area where wells
>are contaminated.
Very true.
--
Frank.
Bob Brenchley.
wrote:
>Out of curiosity, I asked a friend in the UK about it. She agreed w/ you on
>one point, & disagreed on the other.
>
>Agreed: Said that oil-based paint is referred to as "gloss", regardless of
>its finish (matte or glossy, or in-between) & that water-based is referred
>to as "emulsion" in the UK.
>
>Disagreed: Said that water-based (emulsion) paint is fast-drying, whereas
>oil-based ("gloss") is slow to dry.
I think she is thinking of the older paint mixes (often called Trade
Gloss).
A lot of paints now have additives that speed the drying time. Yes, a
lot of water paints are fast drying, but so are a lot of gloss paints.
Pauline Williams
<B...@Format.Publications.ukf.net> wrote:
>On Wed, 14 Feb 2001 23:24:37 GMT, "Cathy Friedmann" <c...@borg.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Out of curiosity, I asked a friend in the UK about it. She agreed w/ you on
>>one point, & disagreed on the other.
>>
>>Agreed: Said that oil-based paint is referred to as "gloss", regardless of
>>its finish (matte or glossy, or in-between) & that water-based is referred
>>to as "emulsion" in the UK.
>>
>>Disagreed: Said that water-based (emulsion) paint is fast-drying, whereas
>>oil-based ("gloss") is slow to dry.
>
>I think she is thinking of the older paint mixes (often called Trade
>Gloss).
Actually, "she" is me & I stand by what Cathy said.
I'm not talking about "trade" gloss, but the bog standard stuff you
can buy down B & Q or Homeworld.
I know there are new super duper paints to be had that dry in an hour
(or so they say) but they are more pricey & not the majority of the
market available to us "none pros".
I appreciate that professional painters may see this differently, but
I don't think we're talking about that here.
Whenever we use gloss there's no way the woodwork is more than touch
dry in less than 4 hours at the very least. In fact when painting
doors & windowframes we write off the whole day to let them dry
sufficient to stop sticking.
Pauline. ;-}
Peter Fitzpatrick
What happened anyway?
Is you cat ok now?
Jules
Ian Coates <ian.c...@btinternet.com> wrote in message
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> Please help !
>
> Our cat has just wandered in in quite a state. It looks like she's sat on
> something with wet paint and it is stuck to her stomach and all over her
> paws.
>
> I have managed to comb the majority of the paint from her stomach, but she
> keeps flicking her paws as the paint dries.
>
> I am a bit concerned as the smell is very bad and i'm worried that this,
and
> the fact she is trying to clean herself - is there a chance of poisoning
or
> similar ?
>
> If anyone has any advice on how to remove the paint quickly I would be
most
> grateful.
>
> Cheers.
>
> Ian..
>
>
Morag
Peter Fitzpatrick <fitza...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote in message
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> Ian
>
> What happened anyway?
>
> Is you cat ok now?
>
> Jules
>
Morag
BonsaiK...@aol.com
wrote:
>
>Peter Fitzpatrick <fitza...@freenetname.co.uk> wrote in message
>news:t8r8c3s...@xo.supernews.co.uk...
>> Ian
>>
>> What happened anyway?
>>
>> Is you cat ok now?
>>
>> Jules
>>
>Funnily enough, I was just thinking the same thing.
>
>Morag
I think most of us are curious if all turned out well.
