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Alec Whitehouse

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Jun 15, 2002, 2:12:25 PM6/15/02
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First of all it's great to be here and to know you all except for that
nimrod bastard butthead, equalizer. I still want to meet up with you
somewhere, buddy. Nothing more pathetic than Internet induced bravery.

...when we adopted our kitty, my wife said we would do so under the
condition that she be declawed almost immediately (she is four months old).
Well we just brought her back today from declawing and the second we let her
out of her cage she walked into the utility room to use the cat box. After
that, she started purring and brushed up against our older cat and then
hopped onto my lap, still purring. She seemed very happy to be home. Oh
yeah, declawing really seems to cause severe psychological
problems....right.

When I hear this stuff about neuroses and other behavioural maladies, I have
to think of something else going on behind the scenes.

Just think, if declawing were illegal, thousands more cats and kittens would
be destroyed at the pound...declawing helps make cats more desirable as
housepets as we would not own two if that option were not available.
Training a cat to scratch in one place seems difficult if not impossible.


Bob Brenchley.

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Jun 15, 2002, 1:34:57 PM6/15/02
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 13:12:25 -0500, "Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com>
wrote:

>First of all it's great to be here and to know you all except for that
>nimrod bastard butthead, equalizer. I still want to meet up with you
>somewhere, buddy. Nothing more pathetic than Internet induced bravery.
>
>...when we adopted our kitty, my wife said we would do so under the
>condition that she be declawed almost immediately (she is four months old).
>Well we just brought her back today from declawing and the second we let her
>out of her cage she walked into the utility room to use the cat box. After
>that, she started purring and brushed up against our older cat and then
>hopped onto my lap, still purring. She seemed very happy to be home. Oh
>yeah, declawing really seems to cause severe psychological
>problems....right.

I tend to disbelieve your statement.


>
>When I hear this stuff about neuroses and other behavioural maladies, I have
>to think of something else going on behind the scenes.
>
>Just think, if declawing were illegal, thousands more cats and kittens would
>be destroyed at the pound...

Apart from the USA and Canada declawing is illegal (or not practiced)
in all other countries. That in itself should tell you something. Now
given that the USA has the highest rate of declawing and yet also has
the highest rate of cat destruction, I think you can see that your
claims are just a load of bunk.

>declawing helps make cats more desirable as
>housepets as we would not own two if that option were not available.

Then you are not fit to have cats. To deliberately and permanently
disable an animal is nothing short of disgusting. To condemn it to a
life of pain is sickening.

>Training a cat to scratch in one place seems difficult if not impossible.

Not impossible, but not needed. My cats have hundreds of places to
scratch.
>
--
Bob.

A cat without claws is the result of a vet without scruples.

Alec Whitehouse

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Jun 15, 2002, 3:00:08 PM6/15/02
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Bob,

Aside from you not being able to backup your assertions with fact, you sound
like a self-righteous, judgemental, pompous asshole. Screw you, dickhead.

Best Regards,

Alec


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CatProtectionSoc

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Jun 15, 2002, 3:07:52 PM6/15/02
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>From: Bob Brenchley. B...@format.publications.ukf.net
> the USA has the highest rate of declawing and yet also has
>the highest rate of cat destruction,
>Bob.

You know, Bob, it always seemed strange to me that people want to have a cat
because they love them for all of their qualities but, then, want to alter them
as much as possible so that they are not anything like a cat after all.

Of course, the same thing happens to men after a woman marries them.

CPS.

Alec Whitehouse

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Jun 15, 2002, 3:12:25 PM6/15/02
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Your post is a stellar example of moronic hyperbole.


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Bob Brenchley.

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Jun 15, 2002, 2:53:27 PM6/15/02
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:12:25 -0500, "Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com>
wrote:

>"CatProtectionSoc" <catprote...@aol.com> wrote in message
>news:20020615150752...@mb-fb.aol.com...
>> You know, Bob, it always seemed strange to me that people want to have a
>cat
>> because they love them for all of their qualities but, then, want to alter
>them
>> as much as possible so that they are not anything like a cat after all.
>>
>> Of course, the same thing happens to men after a woman marries them.
>>
>> CPS.
>
Moronic posting style corrected. You have not been charged for this
service but I reserve the right to charge in the future if you make
the same mistake again.

>Your post is a stellar example of moronic hyperbole.
>
>

On the other hand your posts as a stellar example of a total idiot.

--
Bob.

Your are an Ignoranus. A person who is both stupid and an arsehole.

Clare

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Jun 15, 2002, 3:46:59 PM6/15/02
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Alec Whitehouse wrote:

[snip]
~ Training a cat to scratch in one place seems difficult if not impossible.

Our two cats only use their scratching post.

--
Clare
68 Beetle
[ramva at clarebear dot co dot uk]

Bob Brenchley.

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Jun 15, 2002, 2:47:14 PM6/15/02
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On Sat, 15 Jun 2002 14:00:08 -0500, "Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com>
wrote:

Moronic posting style corrected. You have not been charged for this


service but I reserve the right to charge in the future if you make
the same mistake again.

>Bob,


>
>Aside from you not being able to backup your assertions with fact,

Well the facts are that outside of the USA and Canada declawing is
either illegal or not practiced. Yet strangely - and in direct and
total opposition to your claims - the USA and Canada have one of the
most appalling kill rates in shelters anywhere in the world. Does that
not tell you something?

> you sound
>like a self-righteous, judgemental, pompous asshole. Screw you, dickhead.

And you sound like a very sick animal abusing sub-human troll.
>
>Best Regards,
>
>Alec
>
>
--
Bob.

Your IQ score is 2 (it takes 3 to grunt).

Bob Brenchley.

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Jun 15, 2002, 2:51:47 PM6/15/02
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On 15 Jun 2002 19:07:52 GMT, catprote...@aol.com
(CatProtectionSoc) wrote:

>>From: Bob Brenchley. B...@format.publications.ukf.net
>> the USA has the highest rate of declawing and yet also has
>>the highest rate of cat destruction,
>>Bob.
>
>You know, Bob, it always seemed strange to me that people want to have a cat
>because they love them for all of their qualities but, then, want to alter them
>as much as possible so that they are not anything like a cat after all.

As I've always said - cats are cats, and if people cannot give them
the proper conditions and treatment then they should look for other
pets. In his case one of those pet stones that were so popular some
years ago :)


>
>Of course, the same thing happens to men after a woman marries them.
>
>CPS.

In the normal scheme of things only four things rule a man. His
mother, his wife, his secretary and his cat.

Me? I'm a glutton for punishment - I've got all four.

--
Bob.

Cats know what we feel. They don't always care, but they know.

Cheryl Blake

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Jun 15, 2002, 4:45:47 PM6/15/02
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Hello from New Zealand - where declawing is definitely illegal !!! I have
3 house cats who, apart from using their scratch poles, also scratch our
carpet. But, who cares. If you can't put up with it, then don't get a cat.
Cats are meant to have claws. How would you like someone to rip your
fingernails out? Being a breeder, I have my kittens running around indoors
before going to their new homes. They climb the drapes; this years lot even
found a loose thread on the drape hems, tugged at it, and the whole hem came
undone. I just left it until kitten season was over then mended them. Weve
recently bought a new stereo system - one whos speakers arent covered in
cloth...That's life when you love your cats !!! .... CHERYL


han...@netins.net

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Jun 15, 2002, 5:41:50 PM6/15/02
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"Cheryl Blake" <adora...@paradise.net.nz> wrote in message
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Ain't it the truth!;-) If a person actually wants to have a cat then they
should realize that they have claws. CHERYL - reading about your kittens
brings happy memories to me. When I had Siamese under foot I was so happy.
They were *very energetic* & *very creative*. The Queen of my life now,
Toma, never touches anything with her claws except her scratching posts. She
has also grown up & sleeps with me every night on my waterbed. She has never
put any holes in it. I was told by someone that they had to have their 2
cats declawed because they have a waterbed - that was their excuse. If
humans were declawed (the way that cats are declawed) they would have the
end of their fingers removed (the tip to the 1st knuckle.). Cats walk on the
tip of their toes.
Kathy K.
I have some pictures of my Siamese on my web site if you would like to see
them. They have passed on but I will always miss them.
--
http://showcase.netins.net/web/motherearthfathersky


RBinCA

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Jun 15, 2002, 6:03:55 PM6/15/02
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Alec Whitehouse wrote:
>
> ...when we adopted our kitty, my wife said we would do so under the
> condition that she be declawed almost immediately (she is four months old).
> Well we just brought her back today from declawing and the second we let her
> out of her cage she walked into the utility room to use the cat box. After
> that, she started purring and brushed up against our older cat and then
> hopped onto my lap, still purring. She seemed very happy to be home. Oh
> yeah, declawing really seems to cause severe psychological
> problems....right.

Which type of declawing did you have done? Was it the tendonectomy (sp?)
or the cut off the end of the toe method? It can make a slight
difference. Plus how long was she at the vet before you picked her up?
The bottom line is wait a while - perhaps several months and then make a
judgement as to whether problems are caused - judging that right after
the surgery is done is most likely a bit premature. I doubt your story
but stranger things have happened. Good luck in any case. I myself don't
believe in declawing. My current cat has all of his claws and has never
caused any real damage. He is a polydactyl so he has extra claws to do
damage with, and never has done anything that can't be fixed easily.

Patch

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Jun 15, 2002, 6:03:15 PM6/15/02
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"Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com> wrote in message
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Stupid sick t**t.
I think you and your equally sick wife should have an op equivalent to
declaw, to prevent you using a keyboard so easily as teaching humanity and
decency to the likes of you is difficult if not impossible.
I happily volunteer to do the procedure for you.

Or you can just FOAD.

Sodding trolls.

Patch<I`m not in the mood for the likes of such a twisted moron>

Edward A. Dimmick

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Jun 15, 2002, 7:12:04 PM6/15/02
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Alec Whitehouse wrote:

> Bob,
>
> Aside from you not being able to backup your assertions with fact, you sound
> like a self-righteous, judgemental, pompous asshole.
>

Be that as it may, declawing is a terrible thing to do to your cat. You
should be ashamed of yourself.

-ED \1/
--
"There's a great big open sky somewhere
Where the cool wind blows and the water still runs clear
Can't breathe the air in here
And I'm going crazy again..." - Jamie Walker

Cheryl

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Jun 15, 2002, 8:22:03 PM6/15/02
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"Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com> wrote in message
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> Bob,
>
> Aside from you not being able to backup your assertions with fact, you
sound
> like a self-righteous, judgemental, pompous asshole. Screw you, dickhead.
>
> Best Regards,
>
> Alec
>
I think your post was BS and a troll but you sure hit the nail on the head
about our resident troll/kook.


Kelly

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Jun 16, 2002, 12:03:55 AM6/16/02
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"Alec Whitehouse" <al...@mip.com> wrote in message
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> Training a cat to scratch in one place seems difficult if not impossible.
>
>

I wasn't even going to reply to your post, up until I read this comment.
Someone who cannot train a cat to scratch in one place would be considered a
MORON in my books. I have one cat that was declawed for a medical reason,
and he STILL only scratches on the scratching post, nowhere else. All the
clawed cats use the post, and only the post. If you get a material that
your cat enjoys scratching, it will not WANT to scratch anywhere else. It's
just that people like yourself are just too damn lazy to even ATTEMPT at a
scratching post. Your cat may not have even caused any damage at all, and
you just had it declawed for no reason. Tell your wife she's a moron.

Kelly

Natalie

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Jun 16, 2002, 6:55:41 AM6/16/02
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Well, quite. If it's such a small deal, why doesn't he amputate the
ends of *his* fingers? After all, it'd save him having to trim his
nails. He obviously hasn't even bothered to find out about training to
use a scratching post (because there's page after page of info out
there on the subject). No, much easier to send the cats to the knife.

>
>Or you can just FOAD.

That too. Definitely persona non grata as far as I'm concerned, and I
doubt I'm alone in that.
>
>Sodding trolls.

I hope so, but I doubt it. Just another selfish w*nkstain who appears
to think of a cat as an accessory.

When are the US going to catch up to the rest of the civilised world
and outlaw this foul operation?

Natalie

Kewliz 7

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Jun 16, 2002, 12:13:51 PM6/16/02
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>Training a cat to scratch in one place seems difficult if not impossible.

We got our cat at 4-5 months and she has been trained to scratch only on her
furniture and cat posts. Our furniture is never scratched. Cats can be
trained, but it does take effort.

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