Can cats not eat pork?
Ajanta
eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
common human staple from cat foods: pork.
Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
Norm
>
> Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
In large part because pet food is an easy way to use the less-desirable
bits.
> Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
Mine love it, particularly to gnaw on the bones and it hasn't hurt them
any way I can see.
--
"In 2005, the refining margin...has exceeded $20 per barrel, far above
the long-term average of $6. That has meant record profits for oil
companies and refiners" NYT 2005/09/11
-L.
whitershadeofpale wrote:
>
> Sure bacon tastes good, and yeah
> sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie
>
> but a SWINE is still a filthy animal
>
> I mean, what other animal rolls in it's own feces..
>
> Just my thought on it
No yours, Jules'.
-L.
Ajanta
: > Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
:
: Mine love it, particularly to gnaw on the bones and it hasn't hurt
: them any way I can see.
Hmmm I wonder why there is no pork in commercially sold cans?
-L.
Ajanta wrote:
> Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
>
> However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
> common human staple from cat foods: pork.
>
> Why is that?
Pork biproducts by and large go into hot dogs and bologna. They are
too expensive for cat food.
Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
They can and will eat pork. My cats love pork.
-L.
Ajanta
: A pig is a filthy animal
My point was, pork is sold for human consumption. Why is it absent from
canned cat food?
Ted Davis
A couple of thoughts.
Laws and regulations regarding the handling of pork and pork scraps
a animal food abound and differ widly from place to place.
Vendors would have to be especially careful which stores got the
pork products and who handled it because of the religious prohibitions
surrounding it - you could not ship it to stores in Jewish or Muslim
areas, nor could it be handled in transit by observant Jews or
Muslims. Mistakes could have serious consequencies.
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Ajanta
: JUST say it.
:
: You fed your cat a pork chop now that cat is sleepy as hell and you're
: scared
Would be funny but no, nothing exciting like that!
I just notices that commercial cat food cans mention beef, chicken,
turkey, tuna, fish, shrimp, mackerel, trout, crab, lobster, duck, ...,
wheat, corn, rice, tomato, ... only not pork!
There must be a reason.
No More Retail
every part is used some how
My cats love it when we cook up a ham they get the fat off of it.
And ignore some of the other trolls that I can see responded WE do
Chuck
Ajanta <aja...@null.void> wrote in message news:290920051529280691%aja...@null.void...
Perhaps it's simply that scraps go into
making cat/dog food, and all pork scraps
go instead, into sausage and the like...
~C
srid...@aol.com
-L. wrote:
>
> Pork biproducts by and large go into hot dogs and bologna. They are
> too expensive for cat food.
>
>
> Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
>
> They can and will eat pork. My cats love pork.
>
> -L.
I did read somewhere that pork isn't good for cats. It was on one of
those websites about homemade cat food--I know anybody can say anything
they want to on a website, so I don't know if it's true or not. I wish
I could remember the reason specified.
Boots loves a chunk of cooked bacon anytime she can get it. And being
the picky little thing she is, we let her have just about anything
she'll eat.
Sherry
Ajanta
: Boots loves a chunk of cooked bacon anytime she can get it. And being
: the picky little thing she is, we let her have just about anything
: she'll eat.
Hi Sherry, I am sure occasional bits don't matter but isn't there too
much other non-meat junk in bacon? Salt for one thing, and many other
chemicals.
Observer
"Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
Cats can eat pork. Some like it and some don't. But pork just does not
mean bacon. Their digestive systems are equipped to handle scrap meat
(mice, birds, lizards, etc.); so why not pork? I would not recommend a
steady diet of it because food intended for humans does not have the
required amount of taurine in it that cats mush have for healthy cardio.
That goes for tuna (and any meat) that is intended for human consumption
also.
But if your cat likes a bit of bacon or niblets off the pork chops, it's
okay. Just make sure it's just a treat and not a regular staple.
--The Observer
Mishi
"Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
< Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them? >
Hi Ajanta,
There is a local (to me in central NY) that sells a Ham based cat food in
the 3 oz cans. That is the only ham/pork item that I have ever seen.
Patti
-L.
srid...@aol.com wrote:
> -L. wrote:
>
> >
> > Pork biproducts by and large go into hot dogs and bologna. They are
> > too expensive for cat food.
> >
> >
> > Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
> >
> > They can and will eat pork. My cats love pork.
> >
> > -L.
>
> I did read somewhere that pork isn't good for cats. It was on one of
> those websites about homemade cat food--I know anybody can say anything
> they want to on a website, so I don't know if it's true or not. I wish
> I could remember the reason specified.
Probably because pork is higher in sodium than most other meats. The
only pork we eat is lean shoulder loin, and occasional ham, but all the
pets get are the loin. The ham is too salty.
-L.
Ajanta
: Cats can eat pork...
I still don't understand why it is so rare in commercial cans, but as
Mishi's post show it has been spotted!
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
whitershadeofpale wrote:
> A pig is a filthy animal
However, genetically it's much closer to human than are
bovines! (Think about it.) Why do you think they use
porcine heart valves for human transplants?
>
> I mean, what other animal rolls in it's own feces..
Quite a few of them, actually! Also, from the reports I've
heard, most pigs would much prefer to be kept clean.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Ajanta wrote:
Maybe because they use all the less desireable bits in
canned meat products for humans, instead?
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
srid...@aol.com wrote:
> I did read somewhere that pork isn't good for cats. It was on one of
> those websites about homemade cat food--I know anybody can say anything
> they want to on a website, so I don't know if it's true or not. I wish
> I could remember the reason specified.
> Boots loves a chunk of cooked bacon anytime she can get it. And being
> the picky little thing she is, we let her have just about anything
> she'll eat.
Actually, I've read that ham and bacon are bad for cats
because they can caused intestinal inflamation (as can
pastrami and corned beef). Raw pork might be bad for the
same reason humans should always eat it well-cooked - it can
carry a painful parasite that causes trichinosis. There's
no reason (other than the aforementioned expense) why either
cats or humans can't eat it (although many humans have
religious objections).
>
> Sherry
>
5cats
If it were just a matter of cost, you'd think pork would show up in some
of the expensive "gourmet" foods, like Sheba. But I don't recall seeing
pork in those brands either.
Singh
story of our Roxie, stealing a chunk of ham right from Louie's sandwich,
ultimately led to my posting on this group.
They're so bats for h*m that we can't say the infamous word in their
presence. Smoked pork, cured pig, trayf, non-Kosher, cochon, puerco, making
piggy squeals, are about the only ways we can refer to this rare and highly
favored treat. At least for the moment. If we dare say The Word, Roxie will
come and yell and throw a princess fit because we dared say it without
giving her some. We rarely serve people-food, but Roxie especially loves
good h*m and once a month or so we go to the deli and get just enough to
give the kids a piece or two, about the size of a Pounce. The deli people
think we're a couple of crackpots. My in-laws think I just need to get
pregnant.
Blessed be,
Baha
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Singh
variety. However, only Roxie will really go for it; the rest of our cats
prefer the real thing.
Blessed be,
Baha
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Singh
have the ham cat food does not have nearly as high an observant Jewish or
Muslim customer base as its competitor across the road. Coincidence?
Blessed be,
Baha
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Singh
Blessed be,
Baha
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-L.
It's present as "meat by-products". It's just too valuable in the
secondary market (hot dogs, etc.) to be sent to the animal food market.
-L.
No More Retail
I think I am going to be sick
-L.
No More Retail wrote:
> You know we need our pickled pigs feet
> I think I am going to be sick
LOL...I have never understood some tastes.
-L.
Dr.Carla,DVM
website) and here's what I found out.
On the Iams food labels it lists "animal fat" which a pig fat represents a
small amount. (Melody Foess Raasch, D.V.M., Technical Services Veterinarian,
Consumer Care, The Iams Company).
Purina has documentation on their website that
"While we do incorporate pork as an ingredient in some of our pet food
products, we do not manufacture any dog or cat food products with pork as
one of the primary ingredients. There is no reason from a nutrition
standpoint not to use pork for pet foods. However, market research studies
indicate that there isn't a lot of consumer demand for dog or cat food
products which contain pork as a primary ingredient. Should that perception
change, we would re-evaluate the use of pork as a primary ingredient in pet
food products."
Several vets have "alternate diets" and home-cooked diet recipes that have
cooked pork as a protein source.
Just thoughts. I have no specific facts
"Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
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> Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
>
> However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
> common human staple from cat foods: pork.
>
No More Retail
which ones
jils
pigs roll in mud, not excrement. this is a behavioural routine to keep cool.
they don't choose to roll in their own excrement. on the contrary, they
are careful to relieve themselves away from their sleeping area.
most dogs like nothing better than a good roll in horse manure. does
that make them filthy animals as well?
all of which has no bearing on why the OP can't find pork in cats' food.
whitershadeofpale wrote:
>
> A pig is a filthy animal
>
> Sure bacon tastes good, and yeah
> sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie
>
> but a SWINE is still a filthy animal
>
> I mean, what other animal rolls in its own feces..
>
> Just my thought on it
>
-L.
jils wrote:
> what a strange thing to say.
>
> pigs roll in mud, not excrement. this is a behavioural routine to keep cool.
>
> they don't choose to roll in their own excrement. on the contrary, they
> are careful to relieve themselves away from their sleeping area.
>
> most dogs like nothing better than a good roll in horse manure. does
> that make them filthy animals as well?
>
I wouldn't go so far as to call a
dog filthy, but they're definitely
dirty. But a dog's got
personality. And personality goes
a long way.
-L.
(My apologies to Quentin Tarantino)
Phil P.
"Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
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> Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
>
> However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
> common human staple from cat foods: pork.
>
> Why is that?
Cost (expensive compared to most pet food protein sources) and probably
religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam) and possibly exaggerated fear of
trichinosis (only if eaten raw or not cooked thoroughly).
>Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
Absolutely not. Pork is the primary ingredient in Hill's Prescription Diet
m/d for diabetes management and metabolic weight loss due to its high
protein (14g/100 kcal) and low carbohydrate (0) content. A high protein and
low carbohydrate diet is a *true* carnivorous diet- high protein and
low carbohydrates has been the cat's evolutionary diet for millennia.
Phil
alt4
maybe the companies put pork in as filler (as was said pigs are filthy
animals), but don't say anything? Except the one that's PORK on the label.
Just a thought.
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marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our
children and now, die, I think the
Republicans have done a fine job of
getting government out of our personal
lives."
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>
> Ajanta wrote:
>> whitershadeofpale <bigba...@adelphia.net> wrote:
>>
>> : A pig is a filthy animal
>>
>> My point was, pork is sold for human consumption. Why is it absent from
>> canned cat food?
>
> Your point has been duly noted and has been taken into consideration;
>
> uuuhiiiii think you're up to something..
alt4
We just don't because it isn't that good for us so how good for the cats can
it be? You have to cook it really well. I've had some turkey with bacon
around it, so I gave the cats the bacon, it was pretty dried out anyway.
--
"Other than telling us how to live, think,
marry, pray, vote, invest, educate our
children and now, die, I think the
Republicans have done a fine job of
getting government out of our personal
lives."
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alt4 wrote:
> Quite a few of our cats will eat bacon or really any pork that we give them.
> We just don't because it isn't that good for us so how good for the cats can
> it be? You have to cook it really well. I've had some turkey with bacon
> around it, so I gave the cats the bacon, it was pretty dried out anyway.
>
What is wrong with you people!
Cats will and should eat any old shit.
My cat loves rotten rodents which it finds on the highway!
Ajanta
: Cost (expensive compared to most pet food protein sources)
I guess I don't understand the food industry. Naively I'd have thought
beef, shrimp, etc to be more expensive than pork.
: and probably religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam)
While I am aware of those taboos, easy abundance of pork in
supermarkets and restaurants (for human consumption) suggests that
except to observant individuals this is not a big deal.
: and possibly exaggerated fear of
: trichinosis (only if eaten raw or not cooked thoroughly).
OK
No More Retail
say that pigs are smarter than dogs and cleaner and more loyal pigs roll in
the mud to stay cool you must have never been to a farm or known someone
raised on a farm
Phil P.
"Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
> Phil P. <ph...@maxshouse.com> wrote:
>
> : Cost (expensive compared to most pet food protein sources)
>
> I guess I don't understand the food industry. Naively I'd have thought
> beef, shrimp, etc to be more expensive than pork.
Pet food manufacturers don't use prime rib or jumbo shrimp in pet foods.
Whatever isn't used for the human market is sold to pet food companies.
OTOH, most of the pig can be used for the human market which makes pork
expensive for pet food manufacturing.
>
> : and probably religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam)
>
> While I am aware of those taboos, easy abundance of pork in
> supermarkets and restaurants (for human consumption) suggests that
> except to observant individuals this is not a big deal.
Manufacturing pork-based pet food would not be cost effective because of
reduced popularity. Pet food manufacturers produce large varieties of types
of food and flavors based on anthropomorphic appeal. People like and
dislike specific flavors and different flavors and they assume their cats do
too. Pet food manufacturers generally produce pet foods that appeal the
most to humans. For whatever reason (religion, superstition,
misinformation, myth) pork just isn't as popular as beef, turkey, chicken,
and the other flavors. Sales relate directly to the amount of shelf space
the products occupy- pork-based foods would take up shelf space that could
be used for a more popular food.
Christina Websell
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This is just a thought. I have read numerous times that "you can eat
everything from a pig except it's grunt." Maybe then, all the pig is used
in human food in one way or another.
I *have* seen dog food with pork in it, though not often. Tesco did a tin
with pork and veggies IIRC. Hmm. Very interesting.
Tweed
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
No More Retail wrote:
> I got something worse scrabble it is made of cow's various organs guess
> which ones
>
Really? The only scrapple (correct spelling - "scrabble" is
a word-game) I've ever encountered was made with pork
sausage! (And cornmeal mush, of course.) It's really quite
good, pan-fried until the outside is brown and crisp, then
doused in maple syrup.... don't knock it 'til you've tried it!
FYI, anytime you eat gourmet sausage, you're eating animal
intestines - only the cheap, mostly filler "name" brands
(Oscar Meyer, etc.) use some sort of artificial sausage
casing, instead. And "menudo" and "tripe" are well-regarded
delicacies in a lot of cultures. (Not to mention
"sweetbreads".)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
-L. wrote:
How many pigs (of the four-footed variety) do you number
among your acquaintance? ALL animals are individuals, and
if you live closely with them you become fond of them.
People who keep pigs (like those who keep beef-cattle and
chickens for slaughter) make an effort NOT to get personally
involved with them. I eat meat, but I doubt if I would long
continue to do so if I were personally acquainted with the
source. (It's different when it's all neatly packaged up in
the supermarket - and even then, I have to make an effort
not to think about it as part of a once living, breathing
creature.)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
alt4 wrote:
> Do we know that pork really is absent from cat food? I mean maybe, just
> maybe the companies put pork in as filler (as was said pigs are filthy
> animals)
As was INCORRECTLY said! Pigs are no "filthier" than any
other animals (including humans). Because they were often
kept in appalling conditions and, being omnivores, were
frequently fed on garbage (until FDA regulations came along
to forbid it) they've gotten a bad rap, but did anyone ever
ask the pigs? They may enjoy a good wallow in mud, but
they apparently enjoy a good hosing down with clean water, too.
Ted Davis
>: and probably religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam)
>
>While I am aware of those taboos, easy abundance of pork in
>supermarkets and restaurants (for human consumption) suggests that
>except to observant individuals this is not a big deal.
There are food stores that cater those groups, and most likely many of
them also carry cat food ... but their employees as well as customers
are likely to be offended by pork in the cat food - but the purchaser
for the store could not be expected to know how to avoid it since
kosher cat food makers are few and far between ... and don't advertise
on national TV.
Jo Firey
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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>
>
> No More Retail wrote:
>
>> I got something worse scrabble it is made of cow's various organs
>> guess which ones
> Really? The only scrapple (correct spelling - "scrabble" is a word-game)
> I've ever encountered was made with pork sausage! (And cornmeal mush, of
> course.) It's really quite good, pan-fried until the outside is brown and
> crisp, then doused in maple syrup.... don't knock it 'til you've tried it!
>
>
I remember once, my mother got someone to make beef scrapple for her
special, because she quit eating pork for religious reason.
I like sausage. And I like cornmeal mush. But I never could learn to like
scrapple.
Of course now we pretend we've got class and have always called it "Polenta"
Jo
Jo Firey
"Christina Websell" <spam...@tinawebsell.wanadoo.co.uk> wrote in message
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pork. Almost like an old time superstition. Maybe it was part of the
folklore so pets wouldn't get fed raw or undercooked pork scraps that might
be infected with trichinosis. I was also told you never give them pork
bones because they splinter and can pierce their intestines.
Jo
No More Retail
saw it being made NOPE YOU CAN HAVE IT
FYI anytime you eat peant butter enjoy the roaches
Mishi
<"Singh" <liz...@localnet.com> wrote in message
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You must be referring to Wegman's. We have the ham chow at ours in Buffalo.
Blessed be,
Baha >
Yep! Wegmans it is. I live near Syracuse, and love to shop there.
Patti
Darryl
>
>Do we know that pork really is absent from cat food? I mean maybe, just
>maybe the companies put pork in as filler (as was said pigs are filthy
>animals), but don't say anything? Except the one that's PORK on the label.
>Just a thought.
>
Pigs are not Filthy animals given a chance a pig is much cleaner then a dog
however a pig outdoors will roll in mud to protect itself from sunburn
Don't know what the UV protection level of mud is
Darryl
Christina Websell
"EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)" <evg...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> casing, instead. And "menudo" and "tripe" are well-regarded delicacies in
> a lot of cultures. (Not to mention "sweetbreads".)
>
Tweed
Lumpy
yes.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Jo Firey wrote:
I thought that was chicken bones (cooked chicken bones - the
raw ones are no problem). Anyway, that would pertain more
to dogs, wouldn't it? I've never seen a cat gnaw a bone
enough to produce splinters. Dogs, on the other hand.....
>
> Jo
>
>
Steve Crane
Phil P. wrote:
> Cost (expensive compared to most pet food protein sources) and probably
> religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam) and possibly exaggerated fear of
> trichinosis (only if eaten raw or not cooked thoroughly).
It's not that pork is more or less expensive than other meat meals. The
range in price for meat meals is waaaaay more variable based on the ash
content than on the species from which it is derived.
Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and how
seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it been
months and months since we had one in this house. Reminds me to talk to
the boss (my wife) about that.
Ironically, pork use in pet foods has increased substantially in foods
shipped outside the US. Manufacturers have been forced to substitute
pork for beef in many foods shipped overseas due to BSE rules enforced
by some countries. At the same time there are a number of Muslim
countries who refuse to admit any pet foods into the country that
contain pork.
Pork is perfectly good protein source for cats and there isn't any
nutritional reason not to use it.
shortfuse
We dont eat that much pork in our house and when we do, our cats are not too
hip on it.
Steve Crane
Diane wrote:
> In article <1128125212....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Steve Crane" <eode...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
> > humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and how
> > seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it been
> > months and months since we had one in this house. R
>
Right - same critter, but still the same issue. We humans consume many
times more beef or chicken than we do hogs - regardless of the typs of
pork used.
Ramboyd
> In article <1128125212....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Steve Crane" <eode...@cox.net> wrote:
>
> > Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
> > humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and how
> > seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it been
> > months and months since we had one in this house. R
>
> What about ham? Same critter.
What about bacon? Mmmmmmm bacon.
Ramboyd
======
"My Ottawa Includes Corruption"
shortfuse
We eat turkey bacon though...but it has to be fixed extra crisp ;-) for
them...jk..
shortfuse
That's good your cat stays away from human food...it's really not that
healthy for them..Now if I can only get my cats to think that way :-)
Ted Davis
<del...@nospamatmindspring.com> wrote:
>In article <1128125212....@g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com>,
> "Steve Crane" <eode...@cox.net> wrote:
>
>> Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
>> humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and how
>> seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it been
>> months and months since we had one in this house. R
>
>What about ham? Same critter.
Read the list of ingredients on a ham package sometime. On second
thought, if you like ham, you might not want to read the ingredients
list.
--
T.E.D. (tda...@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
Yoj
>
>
> Ajanta wrote:
>
> > Norm <ns...@mercurylink.net> wrote:
> >
> > : > Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
> > :
> > : Mine love it, particularly to gnaw on the bones and it hasn't hurt
> > : them any way I can see.
> >
> > Hmmm I wonder why there is no pork in commercially sold cans?
>
> Maybe because they use all the less desireable bits in
> canned meat products for humans, instead?
Like Spam? ;-)
Joy
No More Retail
better
Phil P.
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>
> Phil P. wrote:
> > Cost (expensive compared to most pet food protein sources) and probably
> > religious concerns (e.g., Judaism, Islam) and possibly exaggerated fear
of
> > trichinosis (only if eaten raw or not cooked thoroughly).
>
> It's not that pork is more or less expensive than other meat meals. The
> range in price for meat meals is waaaaay more variable based on the ash
> content than on the species from which it is derived.
I wasn't referring to pork meal-- with the water and fat removed. I was
referring pork meat.
Actually, the ash content of clean pork meat products is very low-- For
example, the
protein to ash ratio for pork loin is actually quite high-- about 20:1
(28.57:1.4). The higher the protein to ash ratio the more digestible the
food. The phosphorus content is also excellent- about 89 mg/100 kcals.
http://www.maxshouse.com/Clinical_Nutrition/PORK,FRSH,LOIN,WHL,LN,CKD,BRSD1.jpg
> Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
humans.
That's just about what I said in my previous post.
Steve Crane
Phil P. wrote:
> "Steve Crane" <eode...@cox.net> wrote in message
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> > It's not that pork is more or less expensive than other meat meals. The
> > range in price for meat meals is waaaaay more variable based on the ash
> > content than on the species from which it is derived.
>
> I wasn't referring to pork meal-- with the water and fat removed. I was
> referring pork meat.
I probably didn't make myself clear. The cost difference between a low
ash meal/meat (beef, pork, chicken, turkey, lamb etc) can be +25% more
expensive than the same meal/meat in a high ash content version. That
difference in cost is greater than the difference in cost between two
different specie meat/meals. The specie of meat/meal does not affect
the cost as much as the ash content.
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Steve Crane wrote:
> Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten by
> humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and how
> seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it been
> months and months since we had one in this house. Reminds me to talk to
> the boss (my wife) about that.
I think it depends upon which part of the U.S. (or wherever
else in the world) you live. ...And price, of course. When
I was growing up in Minnesota, we had pork almost as often
as beef, chicken less often, and turkey was reserved for
holidays. (Mostly because, when I was young, they were only
available whole, and the average family had trouble making
away with a twenty-pound turkey before the meat spoiled,
even with electric refrigerators - which not everyone had.)
In more recent years, I've found myself eating chicken much
more often, because it was cheaper than beef or pork, and
WAY cheaper than lamb (mutton might be less expensive, but
it's not often available in the U.S.).
Phil P.
That certainly explains why Porterhouse Steak is about twice the price per
lb. of pork loin even though they have about the same ash content and
protein to ash ratio. Thanks for clearing that up.
http://www.maxshouse.com/Clinical_Nutrition/Beef_SHRT_PRTHS_STEAK.pdf
http://www.maxshouse.com/Clinical_Nutrition/PORK,FRSH,LOIN,WHL,LN,CKD,BRSD1.jpg
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Ted Davis wrote:
You're assuming he buys processed ham - as do most of us,
nowadays. The genuine article (which must usually be boiled
before roasting) takes much longer to prepare, and is not so
readily available, but a genuinely "cured" ham contains no
additive but salt (and smoke, if you count the curing process).
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
Brandy Alexandre wrote:
> Ajanta <aja...@null.void> wrote in rec.pets.cats.health+behav:
>
>
>>Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
>
>
> Depends on if they're Jewish. ;)
Even then.... I know quite a few Jewish people who eat ham!
(But "Reformed", not Orthodox, of course.)
>
Ted Davis
I am well aware of real hams - they were still readily obtainable when
I was growing up half a century ago. Salt, pepper, and carcinogenic
smoke ... some also used sugar and I have heard the maple something
was used in some places. They taste good when properly prepared, but
are hardly safer than the synthetic modern ones that I was assuming
most readers would encounter. The "country" ham I can readily obtain
locally is from California (half a continent away) and is "cured with
salt, brown sugar, sodium nitrate, black pepper, sodium nitrite"; and
it's labeled to imply, but not say, that it is hickory smoked. I give
the most ham fanatic of my cats only tiny tastes.
Then there is bacon.
--
T.E.D. (tda...@gearbox.maem.umr.edu)
Singh
wing-sauce!
Blessed be!
Baha
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Wayne Boatwright
alt.cats:
LOL! One of our cats absolutely loves pork sausage. Another likes ham.
One of them "looks" Jewish, but I've never seen either of them at Temple!
I can tell you that they both need to reform!
--
Wayne Boatwright *¿*
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Joe Canuck
> Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
>
> However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
> common human staple from cat foods: pork.
>
> Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
Cats can only eat pork if they can catch it...
http://www.bigtex.com/newsroom/stories/2005/0706racingpigs.html
I'm rooting for Porky.
No More Retail
line up like a serving line all of them have got their best please I want
some look on them
Wayne Boatwright
I think the 5 of ours would kill when I open a can of "human" tuna. Of
course I have to open one for them and divide it. I'd be a little worried if
I didn't.
Kate
and the only thing that takes her mind of the twice daily injections of
Insulin
Is a few chunks of Pork! Her eyes light up with the sight of it, taking her
attention
away from the needle in my other hand!
Kate
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>
> "Ajanta" <aja...@null.void> wrote in message
> news:290920051820148035%aja...@null.void...
>> <srid...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> : Boots loves a chunk of cooked bacon anytime she can get it. And being
>> : the picky little thing she is, we let her have just about anything
>> : she'll eat.
>>
>> Hi Sherry, I am sure occasional bits don't matter but isn't there too
>> much other non-meat junk in bacon? Salt for one thing, and many other
>> chemicals.
>
> Cats can eat pork. Some like it and some don't. But pork just does not
> mean bacon. Their digestive systems are equipped to handle scrap meat
> (mice, birds, lizards, etc.); so why not pork? I would not recommend a
> steady diet of it because food intended for humans does not have the
> required amount of taurine in it that cats mush have for healthy cardio.
> That goes for tuna (and any meat) that is intended for human consumption
> also.
>
> But if your cat likes a bit of bacon or niblets off the pork chops, it's
> okay. Just make sure it's just a treat and not a regular staple.
>
> --The Observer
>
>
>
>
>
Enfilade
> Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
Smokey poke would live on ham if we let him (which of course we don't)
so he has to content himself with a bite of a ham sandwich from time to
time.
--Fil
Lamey The Cable Guy
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>
> No More Retail wrote:
>> You know we need our pickled pigs feet
>> I think I am going to be sick
>
> LOL...I have never understood some tastes.
>
> -L.
>
That's because you have no taste.
Lumpy
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lol! I love the looks on their faces.
Ramboyd
> Ajanta wrote:
> > Quite clearly, cat food seems to be derived not from what cats would
> > eat but from what humans eat: beef, chicken, turkey, tuna, etc.
> >
> > However, I also notice a conspicuous absence of one very popular and
> > common human staple from cat foods: pork.
> >
> > Why is that? Can cats not eat pork? Is it harmful to them?
>
> A pig is a filthy animal
>
> Sure bacon tastes good, and yeah
> sewer rat might taste like pumpkin pie
>
> but a SWINE is still a filthy animal
>
> I mean, what other animal rolls in it's own feces..
>
> Just my thought on it
Evidently you never worked on a farm. The pig is the cleanest animal
there.
badwilson
>
> Manufacturing pork-based pet food would not be cost effective
because
> of reduced popularity. Pet food manufacturers produce large
> varieties of types of food and flavors based on anthropomorphic
> appeal. People like and dislike specific flavors and different
> flavors and they assume their cats do too. Pet food manufacturers
> generally produce pet foods that appeal the most to humans. For
> whatever reason (religion, superstition, misinformation, myth) pork
> just isn't as popular as beef, turkey, chicken, and the other
> flavors. Sales relate directly to the amount of shelf space the
> products occupy- pork-based foods would take up shelf space that
> could be used for a more popular food.
Perhaps calling a pet food flavour "ham" instead of "pork" would make
it more appealing to the consumer? Pork sounds kind of crude, but
most people like ham.
--
Britta
"There is no snooze button on a cat who wants breakfast." -- Unknown
Check out pictures of Vino at:
http://photos.yahoo.com/badwilson click on the Vino album
badwilson
>
> Pork isn't all that common becasue it isn't all that commonly eaten
by
> humans. Think about how often you eat beef or chicken or turkey and
> how seldom you eat pork. As much as I like a good pork roast, it
been
> to the boss (my wife) about that.
Certainly not here in Thailand! I think pork is just about the most
favoured meat out there. They love pork and it's in everything.
Which is so funny because I just returned from a trip to Malaysia,
just 1 country to the south. They're muslim there and pork is
virtually nowhere. McDonald's has signs everywhere stating that they
are strictly halal, most food stalls have signs saying "Strictly no
pork!", etc.
Dennis and I went to Tesco looking to buy some food and wine and
wandered around the whole store not being able to find any liquor.
Passed by the deli and they didn't have any pork. Finally, we came to
the furthest corner of the store and there was a sign saying
"Non-halal section" and they had liquor there and another little deli
that had only pork products. Dennis and I made jokes saying that we
are now entering the "Sinner's section" ;-)
>
> Ironically, pork use in pet foods has increased substantially in
foods
> shipped outside the US. Manufacturers have been forced to substitute
> pork for beef in many foods shipped overseas due to BSE rules
enforced
> by some countries. At the same time there are a number of Muslim
> countries who refuse to admit any pet foods into the country that
> contain pork.
I have never seen pork in pet foods in Thailand, where it's eaten
abundantly by humans. But then again, they only sell Whiskas and
Friskies here and I don't use those. I import my own cat food from
Canada or Australia when we go there on trips.
> Pork is perfectly good protein source for cats and there isn't any
> nutritional reason not to use it.
Vino loves ham and we always give him scraps.
Phil P.
"badwilson" <badSPA...@yahoo.com> wrote in message
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> Phil P. wrote:
> >
> > Manufacturing pork-based pet food would not be cost effective
> because
> > of reduced popularity. Pet food manufacturers produce large
> > varieties of types of food and flavors based on anthropomorphic
> > appeal. People like and dislike specific flavors and different
> > flavors and they assume their cats do too. Pet food manufacturers
> > generally produce pet foods that appeal the most to humans. For
> > whatever reason (religion, superstition, misinformation, myth) pork
> > just isn't as popular as beef, turkey, chicken, and the other
> > flavors. Sales relate directly to the amount of shelf space the
> > products occupy- pork-based foods would take up shelf space that
> > could be used for a more popular food.
>
> Perhaps calling a pet food flavour "ham" instead of "pork" would make
> it more appealing to the consumer? Pork sounds kind of crude, but
> most people like ham.
I'd bet a diet called "Virginia Ham" or "Ham & Cheese on Rye w/ lettuce,
tomato and mayo" or
"Baked Ziti and Sausage" for cats would sell like hotcakes.
Phil.
badwilson
LMAO! I guess when it comes to pet foods, the "consumer" is actually
the hoomin, and not the cat, so I can see it ;-)
Lumpy
"badwilson" <badSPA...@yahoo.com> wrote
> LMAO! I guess when it comes to pet foods, the "consumer" is actually
> the hoomin, and not the cat, so I can see it ;-)
> --
Very true. They know it is the bipeds that are buying the cat food.
meee
expensive linguine!!! long live the yuppy!!
--
There are many intelligent species in the Universe. They are all owned by
cats.
Anonymous
One cat just leads to another. -Ernest Hemingway
"Lumpy" <cat...@cattoy.net> wrote in message
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> I was in the baby food section of the store, and these young parents
> asked me if the Gerber ham was good. I said "my cat loves it, don't know
> about kids, never had any."
> They ran like I was Hannibal Lecter. I laughed until I thought I'd hurt
> myself.
I hope you're joking. Someone thought you were needed to be avoided just
because you gave your cat baby food?? How many people feed their pets
pieces from the dinner table, anyway?
I always worry about the opposite, myself: that someday I'll be at the
checkout counter and the clerk will see all that meat-only baby food,
think I'm not nourishing my baby properly, and call child protective
services on me. :)
Joyce
edie humperdink
Jason James
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> In article <4346b6d0$1...@x-privat.org>, "Lumpy" <cat...@cattoy.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Very true. They know it is the bipeds that are buying the cat food.
>
> had chronic renal disease and was near her time, and she was very fussy
> about what she'd eat.
>
> I was in the baby food section of the store, and these young parents
> asked me if the Gerber ham was good. I said "my cat loves it, don't know
> about kids, never had any."
>
> They ran like I was Hannibal Lecter. I laughed until I thought I'd hurt
> myself.
(LOL),..there's no accounting for lack of humour in some..sometimes our
fellas will eat a small piece of bacon,..as they always jump up on the table
and investigate what we are eating. I limit how much they eat as its very
salty.
They dont touch straight ham or corned meat,..but just about every other
cooked meat, they will have a go at. Chicken, cooked or raw is popular,..tho
raw chicken is their favourite.
Jason
CatNipped
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I would be careful giving your cats raw chicken just now - cats are
susceptible to bird flu.
Hugs,
CatNipped
wafflycat
"CatNipped" <lcr...@houston.rr.com> wrote in message
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>
> I would be careful giving your cats raw chicken just now - cats are
> susceptible to bird flu.
>
> Hugs,
>
> CatNipped
>
As Francis actually has cr*pped on the windscreen of my car (well, hurked a
hairball actually), should I be concerned?
Cheers, helen s ;-)
EvelynVogtGamble(Divamanque)
jXwXeXr...@sonic.net wrote:
> Vingo Optomalicious <m...@privacy.net> wrote:
>
> > I was in the baby food section of the store, and these young parents
> > asked me if the Gerber ham was good. I said "my cat loves it, don't know
> > about kids, never had any."
>
> > They ran like I was Hannibal Lecter. I laughed until I thought I'd hurt
> > myself.
>
> I hope you're joking. Someone thought you were needed to be avoided just
> because you gave your cat baby food?? How many people feed their pets
> pieces from the dinner table, anyway?
I think the implication was that the other customers thought
she was saying her cats had never EATEN "kids", only ham!
Jason James
To true,..hadn't thought of that. We have had one case in a human in Oz. He
apparently was holidaying in Asia somewhere.
Jason
Christina Websell
will not give anyone/anything bird flu. Even if by some remote chance - you
are far more likely to win the lottery - you actually ate a chicken that had
it, it would not harm you or your cat.
The media has gone a bit silly over this.
Tweed
CatNipped
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I was going by a news report that had said the bird flu killed tigers in a
zoo in Thailand:
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/asia-pacific/3755908.stm
Hugs,
CatNipped