Obama's Pastor
Moira
last night and ended up really confused.
He went on and on about true physical differences between whites and
blacks.
He claims whites are left-thinking- minded object oriented
learners..meaning logical, progressive thinkers that obtain
information from objects which could include books, rocks etc...
He claims blacks are right-thinking- minded subject oriented learners
and they obtain information from oral and listening.. like directly
from another person..
He then made a weird statement that white American - who is in charge
of the education system tries to "fix" black children by reading,
writing and Ritilan (the drug - sorry if I misspell)
So what is this guy saying... are we suppose to not teach the black
children reading and writing and arthimetic...just verbally teach
them.. Wow that would be interesting... in one generation - all the
black people would not have reading, writing, arthimetic skills and
can be short order cooks, or gas station attendants or something....
Is this really what black America listens to and believes...that
blacks are fundamentally and phyically different that whites....
Did anyone else watch this speech and is anyone confused at this man's
message....
Moira
Robert Miles
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No I didn't watch the speech. I wonder if he's speaking from personal
experience, but thinks all blacks are like him?
cycjec
Moira <moi...@abraxasgroup.net> wrote:
> He went on and on about true physical differences between whites and
> blacks.
> Did anyone else watch this speech and is anyone confused at this man's
> message....
No, bc it's really a side issue, a distraction. McCain is
dreadful. Hillary is dreadful. So is Obama (look up his
RKBA record)
Any one of the three is a disaster in the making. No matter
what "issue" is publicized to induce one to choose another
as "not as bad as the others" it's still falling for the
same old game.
The only suggestion I've heard that's pertinent in the
political (voting) sphere is "DRIP" Don't Re-Elect Incumbents,
Period.
Marten Kemp
I didn't watch the speech. I kinda wonder if this guy isn't a little
loosely wrapped. And exactly how one is to teach black kids to read
without reference to objects like books?
Reading and writing are the minimum requirements for being able to
function in society.
--
-- Marten Kemp
(Fix name and ISP to reply)
Denny Wheeler
<moi...@abraxasgroup.net> wrote:
>I watched the Reverend Wright's speech at the NACCP or is it the NAACP
>last night and ended up really confused.
Not to put too fine a point on it, what's new?
But to address the preacher in question--he makes sense some of the
time, he's way out there some of the time. Sorta like most of us,
though this guy seems to get further out than most.
<shrug> Obama, so far as I know, went to the church to do religious
stuff--if we made our decisions on political candidates based on how
weird their church leaders are, we'd likely achieve the desirable
state of electing nobody.
"Every single religion that has a monotheistic god
winds up persecuting someone else."
-Philip Pullman
--
-denny-
(not as curmudgeonly as I useta be)
Barry Gold
>I watched the Reverend Wright's speech at the NACCP or is it the NAACP
>last night and ended up really confused.
>He then made a weird statement that white American - who is in charge
>of the education system tries to "fix" black children by reading,
>writing and Ritilan (the drug - sorry if I misspell)
>
>So what is this guy saying... are we suppose to not teach the black
>children reading and writing and arthimetic...just verbally teach
>them.. Wow that would be interesting... in one generation - all the
>black people would not have reading, writing, arthimetic skills and
>can be short order cooks, or gas station attendants or something....
>
>Is this really what black America listens to and believes...that
>blacks are fundamentally and phyically different that whites....
>
>Did anyone else watch this speech and is anyone confused at this man's
>message....
Didn't watch the speech, and this is armchair psychoanalysis at best,
but I think the guy has lost it. He started out with the assumption
that "we're being oppressed by white society," and is now making up
stuff out of whole cloth to support that view. (See below)
And remember, the guy is old. He retired from preaching. He may be
starting to go senile. So maybe his thought processes aren't as great
as they once were. And maybe logical reasoning wasn't his strong
point to start with -- he's a preacher, not an engineer. So he has
this built-in assumption: white people are oppressing us, and having
lost sight of logical reasoning and/or how these assertions will
affect his audience -- and especially a large audience on TV -- his
mind came up with these "explanations" for why so many black people are
doing so badly in our society.
Ignoring of course, the following:
1. As bad as it is now, it was a lot worse 50 years ago. So we've
had _some_ progress. A _lot_ of progress, I would say from
remembering the 50s and 60s.
2. The US isn't a paradise for blacks. But look at what's going on
in Africa, where Africans rule. Most of those countries are worse
off economically than we are. In many cases, the "middle class" is
worse off than the majority of blacks in the US. And they're not
just a little nervous about employing people of a different ethnic
subgroup -- they go around killing each other off any time food gets
scarce.
So, if it doesn't seem to make sense, maybe it's because he's just a
little senile, and maybe started off with some premises that made more
sense when he was 20 than they do now, but haven't adapted to the
times.
And his basic premise is not entirely wrong. Every black I know has
been stopped for DWB. And I don't mean 50 or even 20 years ago in the
South; I mean within the last 5 years in LA and Orange counties.
Hell, it infects me.
If I'm walking down the street and see somebody I don't know, I
automatically evaluate them in terms of a possible threat. And my
threat meter goes higher if the person I see is
. black
. male
. taller than I am (nearly everybody in their teens & 20s is)
That doesn't mean that I do anything overt. I don't cross the street
to avoid them. But I'm just a little more nervous around a black
stranger than a white one.
After I get to know the person, that's a different story. But when
first meeting a stranger, there's that little bit of nerves.
--
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and
to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising
liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
Harry Mary Andruschak
> Did anyone else watch this speech and is anyone confused at this man's
> message....
I did not watch his speech, hence could not be confused at it. Not
having a TV set, nor reading newspapers, insulates me from most of the
"real world". I occasionally drop by GOOGLE news for stuff I might be
interested in (currently the Sierra Madre fires), and run across other
items as well.
Today, 29 April, GOOGLE carried stories about Obama denouncing his
FORMER Pastor. I would like to think this was the end of this teacup
tempest.
PhoenixWench
fell asleep with CNN on. It was all too clearly audible in the next room
(where I was sewing a costume for this weekends Celebration of the
Celts), and for two solid hours they yakked about nothing else. :-(
--
PhoenixWench
Chris Zakes
Yup. In Heinlein's "Tramp Royale", he describes his visit to South
Africa. He said that any black person there would have given his
eyeteeth to be able to move to America. Note that this was in 1954
(the same year as the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education
decision) when segregation was still widespread in the US.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty-five years, Doctor, and I'm happy to
state I finally won out over it."
-Elwood P. Dowd in "Harvey"
Morgan
> Harry Mary Andruschak wrote:
<snip>
>> I did not watch his speech, hence could not be confused at it. Not
>> having a TV set, nor reading newspapers, insulates me from most of the
>> "real world". I occasionally drop by GOOGLE news for stuff I might be
>> interested in (currently the Sierra Madre fires), and run across other
>> items as well.
>> Today, 29 April, GOOGLE carried stories about Obama denouncing his
>> FORMER Pastor. I would like to think this was the end of this teacup
>> tempest.
> Sadly, not likely, if tonights CNN marathon is any indication. Hubby
> fell asleep with CNN on. It was all too clearly audible in the next room
> (where I was sewing a costume for this weekends Celebration of the
> Celts), and for two solid hours they yakked about nothing else. :-(
Because, you know, gods forbid they should discuss any of the REAL issues
that matter to people (the war, the economy, health care, all those
trivial things).
Sigh.
Morgan /|\
"When any government, or any church for that matter, undertakes to say to
its subjects, 'This you may not read, this you must not see, this you are
forbidden to know,' the end result is tyranny and oppression, no matter
how holy the motives. Mighty little force is needed to control a man whose
mind has been hoodwinked; contrariwise, no amount of force can control a
free man, a man whose mind is free. No, not the rack, not fission bombs,
not anything--you can't conquer a free man; the most you can do is kill
him." --Robert A. Heinlein
http://www.cafepress.com/dosomethingvote
Moira
mentally is probably correct.
He would have to realize that his views and association with Obama
have hurt Obama with voters and he just cannot stop or he just cannot
seem to get up and make a nice "vanilla" (no pun intended here) speach
which would allow all this to got into a corner and hide until after
the general election. So he is getting wild, becoming senile, or
perhaps a truely arrogant individual
Obama has now publically stated his relationship with this guy is
changed forever and he won't be attending the church - at least until
after the general election..
I think Reverend Wright has now been marginalized and this will all go
almost away ...
Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been spreading
these insane ideas while standing tall behind a pulpit - appearing to
at least the young in the audience as a "authority"..
Morgan
<snip>
> Obama has now publically stated his relationship with this guy is
> changed forever and he won't be attending the church - at least until
> after the general election..
Though Wright had already retired, and a new pastor is taking over in June.
http://apnews.excite.com/article/20080430/D90C2M500.html
Morgan /|\
Dan Goodman
> Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been spreading
> these insane ideas while standing tall behind a pulpit - appearing to
> at least the young in the audience as a "authority"..
The right to be whacko is the right to be free.
He's far from the only such clergyman.
--
Dan Goodman
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Barry Gold
[concerning Obama's Pastor's rant and context]
>>Ignoring of course, the following:
>> 1. As bad as it is now, it was a lot worse 50 years ago. So we've
>> had _some_ progress. A _lot_ of progress, I would say from
>> remembering the 50s and 60s.
>> 2. The US isn't a paradise for blacks. But look at what's going on
>> in Africa, where Africans rule. Most of those countries are worse
>> off economically than we are. In many cases, the "middle class" is
>> worse off than the majority of blacks in the US. And they're not
>> just a little nervous about employing people of a different ethnic
>> subgroup -- they go around killing each other off any time food gets
>> scarce.
Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>Yup. In Heinlein's "Tramp Royale", he describes his visit to South
>Africa. He said that any black person there would have given his
>eyeteeth to be able to move to America. Note that this was in 1954
>(the same year as the Supreme Court's Brown v. Board of Education
>decision) when segregation was still widespread in the US.
That quote inspires mixed emotions in me.
On one hand, Heinlein's views were pretty conservative back then.
OTOH, his views on racial discrimination (and discrimination on just
about any basis except a person's capabilities and character) were
pretty consistent. AFAIK throughout his whole writing career, if not
his whole life.
Dave
<snip>
> And his basic premise is not entirely wrong. Every black I know has
> been stopped for DWB. And I don't mean 50 or even 20 years ago in the
> South; I mean within the last 5 years in LA and Orange counties.
> Hell, it infects me.
>
> If I'm walking down the street and see somebody I don't know, I
> automatically evaluate them in terms of a possible threat. And my
> threat meter goes higher if the person I see is
> . black
> . male
> . taller than I am (nearly everybody in their teens & 20s is)
>
> That doesn't mean that I do anything overt. I don't cross the street
> to avoid them. But I'm just a little more nervous around a black
> stranger than a white one.
>
finally got a chance to try a cruise. On board, seating at breakfast
and lunch was random. For lunch one day, my wife and I got seated at
an empty table. Moments later, they brought a family to join us -
mother, father, son, daughter. They were black. A short time later,
another couple was brought by to fill up our 8-seat table - but they
looked at the family and said "We don't want to sit with them" and
went off to another table. I was shocked. The family were, despite
the casual vacation clothes, obviously not a welfare family, nor were
they a bunch of crazy, wild-eyed radicals. It turned out to be very
fortunate for my wife that we were seated with them. After a moment
of shocked silence, we resumed our introductions. It turned out that
he was a senior executive with UPS in southern California. My wife's
company uses UPS extensively, and they soon got talking about some
problems she was having with deliveries to certain parts of the
world. Since our return, my wife has had a visit from the local area
rep, who informed her that she hadn't been getting a 12% discount that
was available. There is also a good prospect for some future business
from UPS. On top of that, they were genuinely nice people to meet.
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Dave
Chris Zakes
bg...@nyx.net (Barry Gold) to write:
<shrug> Heinlein makes the point several times in that book about how
stupid and problem-causing such discrimination is. (Minor details like
asking the names of the waiter or room steward who was serving them
every day so he could speak to them properly, rather than saying "Hey
you!" or "Boy!" like the other passengers did, then being amused that
the other passengers couldn't understand why he got better service
than they did.)
He's also not blind to the problems in America at that time, just
noting that things were *much* worse in South Africa. Here's the exact
quote:
"South Africa is a paradise where you expect to wake up some morning
with your throat cut. By comparison, our own racial problems are
trivial and ninety percent solved. Before some colored compatriot of
mine, smarting under the wrongs of generations, jumps down my throat,
let me add that I *know* that the ten percent remains to be done,
should be done, must be done, but let me point out that the ambition
of every literate black man in South Africa is to emigrate to
Birmingham, Alabama, or someplace else in our Deep South, where he can
be among his own kind and still enjoy freedom."
cycjec
Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
> That's just the point. He has influenced so many in a HATE against
> whites.
Yes, he's at least condoned it. But it's only now that
it's being publicized, and only him, not the myriad others
(I recall hearing versions of this in some video years
ago in the only education course I took)
I don't like BHO. I don't like Wright. But the others
are just as bad, both of them.
cycjec
Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
> He was hoping for a GOOD BLACK BOY to agree with him and make it good
> for the Black community.
> This man is dangerous and I am ashamed.
I agree. It's long past time for this sort to be exposed.
So am I though no black roots here. It's shameful how far
we've decayed, that he should even think of preaching as he
has done.
I saw in some forum a link to a book, now at Project Gutenberg*,
by a black** American Senator of an earlier time: _ Fact Stranger
Than Fiction _ by John Patterson Green. No hatred here, despite
first hand recollections of pre-1865 America (USA).
* Or somewhere online. I was especially impressed by the
passage early on how one person of his acquaintace learned
to read despite the fact that teaching blacks was outlawed
in that part of the South. Someone had taught the letters,
and he "called them out" to a blind black older man, who
would then pronounce the word. Wright (and educationalists)
have a lot to explain, or disavow.
** Not sure what term is correct any more. Afro-American if
you prefer.
cycjec
PhoenixWench <sly...@hvc.rr.com> wrote:
> Sadly, not likely, if tonights CNN marathon is any indication. Hubby
> fell asleep with CNN on. It was all too clearly audible in the next room
> (where I was sewing a costume for this weekends Celebration of the
> Celts), and for two solid hours they yakked about nothing else. :-(
Here in NYC it's not non stop bc the prodromal blood dancers*
have been getting a lot of air time decrying** the acquittal
of the NYPD officers who shot Sean Bell. That did rate discussion,
but it hasn't been getting what it deserves.
There's a good case that black, tan, olive persons get more
scrutiny from LEOs. I've heard this personally from persons
I know. The remedy is *not* to extend that scrutiny and
its potential and sometimes, nowadays, fatal sequelae to
a equal percentage of all others, although that seems to be
the goal.
* "blood dancers" is a David Codrea term, but I've adapted it.
Sharpton et. al. in this case.
** decrying only "racism" as they see it. Not that persons unidentified
as LEOs have been given a license to shoot, as I see it. Nor
the civilian disarmament policies of NYC. Way back when (1960s?)
a black club was attacked by others (race I do not recall) The ppl
inside who fended off the attackers were arrested for carrying without
a permit. That's from memory, Don Kates's book of the 1970s,
_ Restricting Handguns _ The Liberal Skeptics speak out, which also
has first hand accounts of defense agains the Klan back then.
cycjec
Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
> Most of you know I have Black American roots. But to look at me, one
> would never know.
> This man is dangerous and I am ashamed.
IIRC, Thomas Sowell remarks somewhere that the worst damage
of "affirmative action" in academia is done to the qualified
"minority" academics whom most others assume are there only
bc of affirmative action policies.
In the same vein, I can well imagine that the deepest
pain caused by hate-mongers of this modern ilk is felt
by those of their background who know they are wrong,
but again and again encounter the assumption that the
reverse-racists speak for them. (And those making that
assumption are also culpable.)
Dan Goodman
> On Apr 30, 2:31 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> > Moira wrote:
> > > Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been
> > > spreading these insane ideas while standing tall behind a pulpit
> > > - appearing to at least the young in the audience as a
> > > "authority"..
> >
> > The right to be whacko is the right to be free.
> >
> > He's far from the only such clergyman.
> >
> > --
> > Dan Goodman
>
> That's just the point. He has influenced so many in a HATE against
> whites.
> Okay I'm black and my husband was white.
> Guess who's coming for dinner? My mother in law could tell.
> What a hell of a time that was for Babe.
> I can imagine the conversations.
> "Of all the nice girls you come home with a ........."
> No I cannot say that foul word.
>
> Hey Dan, sorry, I better cool down.
> You're one of the good ones.
When my grandparents came to the US, they neglected to trade their
ethnic prejudices for racial prejudice.
Wes Struebing
<bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Apr 28, 12:47 pm, Moira <moi...@abraxasgroup.net> wrote:
>> I watched the Reverend Wright's speech at the NACCP or is it the NAACP
>> last night and ended up really confused.
>
>> Moira
>
>Most of you know I have Black American roots. But to look at me, one
>would never know.
>I am appalled at Pastor Wright and how he's using Obama as a pawn and
>puppet.
>He was hoping for a GOOD BLACK BOY to agree with him and make it good
>for the Black community.
>This man is dangerous and I am ashamed.
>
>Bette <still fuming>
...and he seems to be attempting to convince everyone within hearing
distance that Obama secretly agrees with him and is only saying those
"polite" things for political reasons.
Not that I care for Obama all that much, anyway, but Rev. Wright is
destroying Barack before our eyes...
Why?!
--
Wes Struebing
Jan. 20, 2009 - the end of an error
Wes Struebing
<bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>On Apr 30, 6:44 pm, "cycjec"<cyc...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>In that I do not look black. Other than some features such as full
>lips and an almost
>full nose. I'm not sure what I prefer. Afro-American is fine. Or
>just me.
That would be my choice. That, or lovely human being.
(hard to see color on usenet, anyhow...<G>)
Ken
Because Obama is the first serious Afro-American (A-A) candidate. When
a group is marginalised for as long as the A-A in America, then the
first candidate will always get heaped up with the aspirations of his
group, even if those aspirations are directly opposed to the
candidate's own beliefs. It would not have mattered whether the
candidate was Democrat or Republican, every nutter is going to come
out of the woodwork and expect to be represented, because they belong
to the group.
Consider that in Rwanda in Africa a Tutsi person enters a Hutu village
with no certainty of coming out alive. There is a deep emnity between
the two groups. However, the slave trade being what it was, it is
inevitable that there are A-As who descend from both groups. Mostly,
the A-As won't know that; slavery is so culture destroying that few
A-As know their own ancestry. This means that there is almost
certainly A-As in the same neighbourhood who are friends (or married)
without realising that in Africa they would be the bitterest of
enemies; in America they belong to the same group. Any A-A candidate
would be expected to represent both of them.
THis unifying force of the slave period and aftermath inevitably means
the first A-A will be expected to perform miracles. The Rev doesn't
know or care that his remarks are destroying his candidate. All he
knows is one of his group is looking likely to be to be in a position
to do something. That Obama was a member of his congregation merely
strengthens the group identity. So he is issuing instructions.
David
<bette...@comcast.net> typed furiously:
>On Apr 30, 2:31 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>> Moira wrote:
>> > Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been spreading
>> > these insane ideas while standing tall behind a pulpit - appearing to
>> > at least the young in the audience as a "authority"..
>>
>> The right to be whacko is the right to be free.
>>
>> He's far from the only such clergyman.
>>
>> --
>> Dan Goodman
>
>That's just the point. He has influenced so many in a HATE against
>whites.
>Okay I'm black and my husband was white.
>Guess who's coming for dinner? My mother in law could tell.
>What a hell of a time that was for Babe.
>I can imagine the conversations.
>"Of all the nice girls you come home with a ........."
>No I cannot say that foul word.
>
>Hey Dan, sorry, I better cool down.
>You're one of the good ones.
>Bette
Judging by the number of mixed race couples I see wandering around my
locality the days of "Guessing" are numbered. Unfortunately there will
always be a few idiots who want to believe that racial "s**t" until a
few more generations have passed and our children's children's
children grow up and produce a generation that has not grown up with
the bogeyman spectre.
--
David
No email replies please.
So I'm right. Period.
Anyone who believes different is retarded.
(Stolen from JJRussell, alt.funnytown)
Richard Fallstrom
<57ba723f-d27e-486a...@p25g2000hsf.googlegroups.com>,
Claire <ClaireWi...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Apr 30, 10:47 pm, Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
> > On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Bette
> Afro-American is fine. Or
> > >just me.
> >
> > That would be my choice. That, or lovely human being.
> >
> > (hard to see color on usenet, anyhow...<G>)
> > Wes Struebing
>
> Oh Wes, what a nice thing to say. Thank you dear man.
>
> {{{{{hugs}}}}}
White, black
two legs or four.
What matters is the love,
not some arbitary score.
Rick (sometimes is a GentleRF and sometimes is not)
cycjec
Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
> ...and he seems to be attempting to convince everyone within hearing
> distance that Obama secretly agrees with him and is only saying those
> "polite" things for political reasons.
> Not that I care for Obama all that much, anyway, but Rev. Wright is
> destroying Barack before our eyes...
> Why?!
The question is "why is he being given all this publicity?"
As with Spitzer's, one wonders why it all is happening just now.
It's an election year.
There's some good news. Hillary is getting a bit of
negative press (mag. cover I saw yesterday)
The bad news is that McCain is still running.
Obama isn't that great either. Interesting times. DRIP.
cycjec
Ken <kwar...@bigpond.net.au> wrote:
> Consider that in Rwanda in Africa a Tutsi person enters a Hutu village
> with no certainty of coming out alive. There is a deep emnity between
> the two groups. However, the slave trade being what it was, it is
> inevitable that there are A-As who descend from both groups. Mostly,
> the A-As won't know that; slavery is so culture destroying that few
> A-As know their own ancestry. This means that there is almost
> certainly A-As in the same neighbourhood who are friends (or married)
> without realising that in Africa they would be the bitterest of
> enemies; in America they belong to the same group. Any A-A candidate
> would be expected to represent both of them.
Quite a few "white" British ppl (and US citizens) descended
from emigrants) are descended from both Scandinavian and
Saxons. There were a few centuries of enmity and even
perhaps a genocide (c. 1003). Former ethnicity isn't
destiny.
Ken
Agreed. What I was trying to point out is that in Americal all those
of African descent are treated as, and mostly see themselves as, part
of one group, regardless of their origins. Whereas in Africa, there
are many different groups with their own heritage of emnity.
An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from Africa
in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
Jim Hetley
> An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from Africa
> in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
Don't know about the response from the old-time African American
community, but the Somali refugees here in Maine have brought their
home-town tribal and caste frictions with them...
Jim
John W. Vinson
>> Judging by the number of mixed race couples I see wandering around my
>> locality the days of "Guessing" are numbered. Unfortunately there will
>> always be a few idiots who want to believe that racial "s**t" until a
>> few more generations have passed and our children's children's
>> children grow up and produce a generation that has not grown up with
>> the bogeyman spectre.
>> --
>> David
>
>It begins with the children. The are don't see color.
>Well, not until it is pointed out by parents.
>Dear man, you are such a gentleman.
Personal story:
When I was about 10, our family moved Sallisaw, Oklahoma to Bentonville,
Arkansas. There were Native Americans in Sallisaw but my brother and I had
never really interacted with a black person; when we met my dad's church's
black janitor, my parents noticed that my brother and I were both a bit
scared.
They stretched the family budget (a tight budget at that) to hire Mrs.
Elizabeth Dishman, a lovely dark-skinned black woman to clean our house once a
week. They wanted us to get to know (and trust, and feel comfortable with) at
least one black person.
When I went back to Bentonville for my 25th high school reunion there was only
one person I went to visit: my beloved "honorary grandmother" Elizabeth.
I've always admired my parents, and this decision is one major reason.
--
John the Wysard JVinson *at* Wysard Of Info *dot* com
Wes Struebing
<ClaireWi...@gmail.com> wrote:
>On Apr 30, 10:47 pm, Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
>> On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 16:27:02 -0700 (PDT), Bette
> Afro-American is fine. Or
>> >just me.
>>
>> That would be my choice. That, or lovely human being.
>>
>> (hard to see color on usenet, anyhow...<G>)
>> Wes Struebing
>
>Oh Wes, what a nice thing to say. Thank you dear man.
>
>{{{{{hugs}}}}}
(grins) I'll take those, any time!
Mike, a BOTC for all the lovely ladies herein gathered!
('sides, it is true - nu?)
Wes Struebing
Smart parents! (and smart son...)
Dan Goodman
> On Apr 30, 10:30 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> > Bette wrote:
> > > On Apr 30, 2:31 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> > > > Moira wrote:
> > > > > Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been
> > > > > spreading these insane ideas while standing tall behind a
> > > > > pulpit - appearing to at least the young in the audience as a
> > > > > "authority"..
> >
> > > > The right to be whacko is the right to be free.
> >
> > > > He's far from the only such clergyman.
> >
> > > > --
> > > > Dan Goodman
> >
> > > That's just the point. He has influenced so many in a HATE
> > > against whites.
> > > Okay I'm black and my husband was white.
> > > Guess who's coming for dinner? My mother in law could tell.
> > > What a hell of a time that was for Babe.
> > > I can imagine the conversations.
> > > "Of all the nice girls you come home with a ........."
> > > No I cannot say that foul word.
> >
> > > Hey Dan, sorry, I better cool down.
> > > You're one of the good ones.
> >
> > When my grandparents came to the US, they neglected to trade their
> > ethnic prejudices for racial prejudice.
> > Dan Goodman
>
> Yes, that happens. But there is nothing more wonderful than
> grandparents.
> Bette
It took me a while to realize there were people who had sane
grandmothers.
Dan Goodman
> An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from Africa
> in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
There are a good many African immigrants in Minneapolis. One
supermarket near me carries injera, which only Ethiopians and perhaps
some other East Africans eat. (It's bread which looks like a gray
sponge.) Multilingual signs here are likely to include Somali.
I don't know how they're viewed by African-Americans.
Ree
There are? :-D
Ree.
David
<bette...@comcast.net> typed furiously:
>On May 1, 7:40 pm, John W. Vinson <jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com>
>wrote:
>> On Thu, 1 May 2008 12:32:15 -0700 (PDT), Bette <betteba...@comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Personal story:
>>
>> When I was about 10, our family moved Sallisaw, Oklahoma to Bentonville,
>> Arkansas. There were Native Americans in Sallisaw but my brother and I had
>> never really interacted with a black person; when we met my dad's church's
>> black janitor, my parents noticed that my brother and I were both a bit
>> scared.
>>
>> They stretched the family budget (a tight budget at that) to hire Mrs.
>> Elizabeth Dishman, a lovely dark-skinned black woman to clean our house once a
>> week. They wanted us to get to know (and trust, and feel comfortable with) at
>> least one black person.
>>
>> When I went back to Bentonville for my 25th high school reunion there was only
>> one person I went to visit: my beloved "honorary grandmother" Elizabeth.
>>
>> I've always admired my parents, and this decision is one major reason.
>
>Oh John that was lovely. My grandparents were quite black. My
>cousins are also very dark.
>Something happened to me where I am an albino. They would call me the
>little white trash.
>Even family can be harsh.
>
>Bette
A young aboriginal lad found some greasepaint in a suitcase dropped on
the side of the road. In it was some white paint which the young lad
applied liberally. He then returned to the camp.
His father saw him and kicked his rear end, his mother belted him one
as well. All the other members of the tribe called him names or threw
stones or sticks at him.
He complained to his mother "You know I've only been white for a
couple of hours and I already hate you black bastards!"
Sorry, Bette. I just couldn't help myself.
Barry Gold
>My neighbor is Polish.
>He's so tired of the dumb
>Polish jokes he gets at
>work. People can be
>such jerks.
There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
else) being dumb.
Space to let you not read it if you don't want to.
For those who may have read/heard it, it's the one with a Djinn and
Mongols.
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A Pole is fishing along the ocean shore. He casts his line and it
snags on something in the water. He reels it in carefully and
discovers an amphora with a lead seal over the mouth. There is a
sigil of some sort stamped into the lead. He spends a while looking
at it, and finally shrugs his shoulders and pries the seal off the
bottle.
A cloud of smoke comes out of the bottle and gradually solidifies into
a muscly man who bows to him and says, "Thank you for freeing me,
Master. As a reward, I shall give you three wishes."
"Anything I want?" asks the fisherman.
"So long as it's not logically impossible. I cannot give you wealth
beyond the dreams of avarice, because there is no limit to the dreams
of avarice. But if it can be done, it will be yours."
The fisherman stands and thinks for a while, drumming his fingers on
his tackle box. Finally, he speaks up, "I want the Mongol Hordes to
sack Warsaw."
"But, Master," the Djinni protests, "That's your own capitol city.
And you have no _idea_ of the death and destruction they leave in
their wake."
"I want the Mongol Hordes to sack Warsaw."
"Very well, Master. It shall be as you wish. Would you like to
watch?"
"Yes, I think I would."
The fisherman blinks his eyes and finds himself standing on a hill
overlooking Warsaw. There is a cloud of dust on the horizon, which
eventually resolves into a million Mongols on their ponies. They
break through the city walls, steal everything made of gold or silver
or precious stones, kill all the men of fighting age, and leave half
the city in flames.
Then they ride off again in a cloud of dust, with most of their women
tied over their saddles or in the pack train.
"Are you satisfied, Master?" the Djinni asks.
"Yes."
"Now, what would you like for your second wish"
"I want the Mongol Hordes to sack Warsaw."
"But, Master, they've already sacked it. There's hardly anything left
worth having. And it'll take weeks for the remaining children and
oldsters to put out all the fires."
"I want the Mongol Hordes to sack Warsaw."
So the Djinni snaps his fingers, and the cloud of dust appears on the
horizon again. They ride into the city, steal all the metal and
leather items that aren't burnt, and kill _all_ the males, even young
boys and old men in wheelchairs.
Then they ride off again in a cloud of dust, leaving the rest of the
city in flames.
"Are you satisfied, Master?" the Djinni asks.
"Yes."
"Do I have to ask what you want for your third wish?"
"The same."
And again the cloud of dust, the mongols on their ponies. They kill
everybody left, and ride off, a little slower now, leaving a smoking
hole in the ground.
"Are you satisfied, Master?" the Djinni asks.
"Yes."
"Then I am free, and I thank you very much." The Djinni bows low, and
turns to leave. Then he turns back. "Just one thing I'd like to know
before I return to Arabia. _Why_ did you want the Mongol Hordes to sack
Warsaw, not once, not twice, but _three_ times?"
"They had to cross Russia six times to do it."
--
I pledge allegiance to the Constitution of the United States of America, and
to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising
liberty and justice for all.
Feel free to use the above variant pledge in your own postings.
Barry Gold
>
>> An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from Africa
>> in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>There are a good many African immigrants in Minneapolis. One
>supermarket near me carries injera, which only Ethiopians and perhaps
>some other East Africans eat. (It's bread which looks like a gray
>sponge.) Multilingual signs here are likely to include Somali.
It may look like a gray sponge, but it's _delicious_. If you haven't
tried it, you should. Preferably with Doro Wat or Tibs or the
Ethiopian version of Steak Tartare, but I think it would go well with
any sauce.
John W. Vinson
>There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
>Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
>else) being dumb.
You know who Alexandrej Grhmowycz Belowsky was don't you?
The first telephone Pole...
Wes Struebing
>>Ken wrote:
>>
>>> An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from Africa
>>> in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
>
>Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>There are a good many African immigrants in Minneapolis. One
>>supermarket near me carries injera, which only Ethiopians and perhaps
>>some other East Africans eat. (It's bread which looks like a gray
>>sponge.) Multilingual signs here are likely to include Somali.
>
>It may look like a gray sponge, but it's _delicious_. If you haven't
>tried it, you should. Preferably with Doro Wat or Tibs or the
>Ethiopian version of Steak Tartare, but I think it would go well with
>any sauce.
Damn! I just got done eating, and you've made my mouth start watering
again, Barry!
Wes Struebing
>Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>My neighbor is Polish.
>>He's so tired of the dumb
>>Polish jokes he gets at
>>work. People can be
>>such jerks.
>
>There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
>Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
>else) being dumb.
>
>
>Space to let you not read it if you don't want to.
>
>For those who may have read/heard it, it's the one with a Djinn and
>Mongols.
>
<snip>
>
>"They had to cross Russia six times to do it."
Oh, ROFLMAO!
Mike a BOC for Barry, and whatever Cinnabar cares to lap up, too!
Chris Zakes
bg...@nyx.net (Barry Gold) to write:
>Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>My neighbor is Polish.
>>He's so tired of the dumb
>>Polish jokes he gets at
>>work. People can be
>>such jerks.
(snip)
>"Then I am free, and I thank you very much." The Djinni bows low, and
>turns to leave. Then he turns back. "Just one thing I'd like to know
>before I return to Arabia. _Why_ did you want the Mongol Hordes to sack
>Warsaw, not once, not twice, but _three_ times?"
>
>"They had to cross Russia six times to do it."
I've heard a similar joke, but instead of sacking Warsaw, the Mongols
simply ride to the Polish border, then turn around and go home. Same
punch line, of course.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
"Well, I've wrestled with reality for thirty-five years, Doctor, and I'm happy to
state I finally won out over it."
-Elwood P. Dowd in "Harvey"
0mn1vore
Gold said:
> Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>My neighbor is Polish.
>>He's so tired of the dumb
>>Polish jokes he gets at
>>work. People can be
>>such jerks.
There are no dumb Polish jokes at work. My boss is a Pole, and a very
shrewd businessman. It was like pulling teeth, trying to wring a raise
out of him, but otherwise I have no complaints. Actually, the raise was
quite a relief, because without it I probably couldn't afford to work for
him much longer. I really like this job. :-)
Anyway, the joke...
>
> There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
> Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
> else) being dumb.
>
>
> Space to let you not read it if you don't want to.
>
> For those who may have read/heard it, it's the one with a Djinn and
> Mongols.
>
[...]
Thanks, I liked it. :-) My boss would probably like it too, but I'm not
*so* sure of that that I'd risk offending him.
Cheers,
Patrick.
--
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but fix the (a) and the comma first.
Our business is run on trust. We trust you will pay in advance.
Robert Miles
"0mn1vore" <See...@BitBucket.nul> wrote in message
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making sure that your name's not attached?
0mn1vore
{{{{{{{{Bette!}}}}}}}}
I now return you to my irregularly scheduled post.
In <cw%Sj.63347$rC6....@bignews4.bellsouth.net> Sat, 03 May 2008
10:28:51 -0500, Robert Miles said:
> "0mn1vore" <See...@BitBucket.nul> wrote in message
> news:pan.2008.05.03....@giganews.com...
>> In <12097576...@irys.nyx.net> Fri, 02 May 2008 19:47:08 +0000, Barry
>> Gold said:
>>
[...]
>>>
>>> There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
>>> Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
>>> else) being dumb.
>>>
>>>
>>> Space to let you not read it if you don't want to.
>>>
>>> For those who may have read/heard it, it's the one with a Djinn and
>>> Mongols.
BTW, here's what fortune spat out when I was poking around earlier;
moi@nix:~$ fortune -aim 'mongol invasion'
(people)
%
Nezvannyi gost'--khuzhe tatarina.
[An uninvited guest is worse than the Mongol invasion]
-- Russian proverb
%
*Six* times...?
>>>
>> [...]
>>
>> Thanks, I liked it. :-) My boss would probably like it too, but I'm not
>> *so* sure of that that I'd risk offending him.
>>
>>
>>
>> Cheers,
>>
>> Patrick.
>>
> Do you have a bulletin board at work you could attach a printed copy to,
> making sure that your name's not attached?
Good idea, but his office is in his home. My job is at one of the
businesses we have a contract with [it's a janitorial company].
I could do the next best thing though; ask a supervisor for his email
address [I have a particular one in mind], send the joke, and ask for his
opinion before sending it to the boss.
Besides, I've learned *not* to leave unattributed notes lying around at
work. A while ago I showed up a bit later than usual, only to find the
door unlocked. This kind of thing is always a bit spooky when it happens,
especially if the lights are off. Other times, it's just been someone
working late [and their office lights were on]. One other time, the last
one out forgot. There's never been anyone in the building who shouldn't
be, but there's a first time for everything.
So I left a Post-It on the inside of the door, which read;
Found unlocked at 9:00 PM.
Thanks for the coffee.
-- J. Random Street Person
Okay. There's a few people I see there on a regular basis, just finishing
up when I come in [if I show up early]. There's one manager I expected
would recognize my handwriting, because they order some of their own
cleaning supplies, and I've asked him for these supplies directly, when
they run low.
Of course, he wasn't the first one in the next day.
So that afternoon, I got a call from the boss, asking if I'd locked the
door on my way out?
Who, me? Of course.
When did I get there?
Oh, nine or so.
And when did I leave?
Five.
... `Thanks for the coffee?'
Umm...
Don't Leave Notes Like That!
Come to think of it, he did laugh then, so the Mongol Invasion should be
fairly innocuous.
My hours are pretty loosely defined, but later I was asked to show up by
7:00 PM whenever possible, for security reasons. So I've done that,
whenever possible.
Oopse...
Patrick.
--
Email to; 0mn1-sneaking(a)sneakEmail,com
but fix the (a) and the comma first.
"Let me put it this way: it would be better to set the place on
fire, and walk away, than to leave the door unlocked. I mean
they have fire insurance. They don't have idiot insurance."
-- Moe the janitor, 2002
[different company]
Matthew T. Russotto
Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
>
>Not that I care for Obama all that much, anyway, but Rev. Wright is
>destroying Barack before our eyes...
>
>Why?!
Payoff from Clinton or McCain? Strange bedfellows have been made in
politics...
--
There's no such thing as a free lunch, but certain accounting practices can
result in a fully-depreciated one.
Desideria
"Bette" <bette...@comcast.net> wrote in message
news:2495d834-af0d-40f1...@24g2000hsh.googlegroups.com...
On May 3, 12:46 pm, 0mn1vore <See...@BitBucket.nul> wrote:
> First,
> {{{{{{{{Bette!}}}}}}}}
> Patrick.
Yum ......... sorry about that.
Between you and David and Wes
and Rowan.............. do allow me
to drool just a bit.
Oh and John and Richard and ..... D.J.
and....... is the old Bette back?
Where is Sweet Lips??????
No she's not back. Still ...... ouch.
Bette
He's instant messaging with me right now. :-) I'll tell him you asked!
Desideria
Desideria
On May 3, 1:56 pm, "Desideria" <desideria1...@gmail.com> wrote:
> "Bette" <betteba...@comcast.net> wrote in message
Thanks honey.
{{{{{{Desi and Denny}}}}}}
{{{{{{{{Bette}}}}}}}
Bookwyrm
> In article <6kbi1452kgt9dgcpj...@4ax.com>,
> Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
>> Not that I care for Obama all that much, anyway, but Rev. Wright is
>> destroying Barack before our eyes...
>>
>> Why?!
>
> Payoff from Clinton or McCain? Strange bedfellows have been made in
> politics...
Read an op-ed piece a little while back that put forth the idea that it
was to the Rev. Wright's benefit for Obama to lose. If he lost, the
Rev. could say, "See, I told you it was all about anti-Black politics."
If Obama wins, the Rev. would be forced to admit that he was *wrong* --
can't have *that*, can we??
'wyrm
Wes Struebing
<bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>Oh yum, but with some lobster meat and melted butter and my home made
>rolls.
>In season the sweetest corn, and somehow I feel I made a horrible
>mistake.
>Everyone's drooling over my fresh strawberry shortcake and real
>whipped cream.
>Bette
Umm, that works, too! I'll be right over...
;-)
Wes Struebing
wrote:
I'll tell you, 'wyrm, I'm more than half-convinced you may have
something there.
<sigh>
Dan Goodman
> > Ken wrote:
> >
> >> An interesting question: Are there many recent refugees from
> Africa >> in the US, & how are they seen by the A-A community?
>
> Dan Goodman <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
> > There are a good many African immigrants in Minneapolis. One
> > supermarket near me carries injera, which only Ethiopians and
> > perhaps some other East Africans eat. (It's bread which looks like
> > a gray sponge.) Multilingual signs here are likely to include
> > Somali.
>
> It may _look_ like a gray sponge, but it's delicious. If you haven't
> tried it, you should. Preferably with Doro Wat or Tibs or the
> Ethiopian version of Steak Tartare, but I think it would go well with
> any sauce.
When/if I try it, it'll be in an Ethiopian restaurant. What's sold in
the supermarket is large, large, large.
--
Dan Goodman
"I have always depended on the kindness of stranglers."
Tennessee Williams, A Streetcar Named Expire
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Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>Read an op-ed piece a little while back that put forth the idea that it
>was to the Rev. Wright's benefit for Obama to lose. If he lost, the
>Rev. could say, "See, I told you it was all about anti-Black politics."
>If Obama wins, the Rev. would be forced to admit that he was *wrong* --
>can't have *that*, can we??
And just exactly *when* did you see anyone of the demagogue/near
demagogue class admit to being wrong?
(two chances of that happening with Wright: slim and fat)
"Every single religion that has a monotheistic god
winds up persecuting someone else."
-Philip Pullman
--
-denny-
(not as curmudgeonly as I useta be)
Dan Goodman
> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:42:30 -0500, Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
> > Read an op-ed piece a little while back that put forth the idea
> > that it was to the Rev. Wright's benefit for Obama to lose. If he
> > lost, the Rev. could say, "See, I told you it was all about
> > anti-Black politics." If Obama wins, the Rev. would be forced to
> > admit that he was wrong -- can't have that, can we??
>
> And just exactly when did you see anyone of the demagogue/near
> demagogue class admit to being wrong?
Actually, it's not unusual -- after a conversion. "I used to be one of
Them, and hold those
abominable[unChristian/Christian/atheist/liberal/conservative] beliefs.
But now I've been saved!! And now I believe The Truth!"
Alison Hiltabidle
> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>
>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:42:30 -0500, Bookwyrm <Book...@comcast.net>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Read an op-ed piece a little while back that put forth the idea
>>> that it was to the Rev. Wright's benefit for Obama to lose. If he
>>> lost, the Rev. could say, "See, I told you it was all about
>>> anti-Black politics." If Obama wins, the Rev. would be forced to
>>> admit that he was wrong -- can't have that, can we??
>>
>> And just exactly when did you see anyone of the demagogue/near
>> demagogue class admit to being wrong?
>
> Actually, it's not unusual -- after a conversion. "I used to be one of
> Them, and hold those
> abominable[unChristian/Christian/atheist/liberal/conservative] beliefs.
> But now I've been saved!! And now I believe The Truth!"
I always liked "I'm not born again. My Mother got it right the first
time"
Harry Mary Andruschak
>
> I always liked "I'm not born again. �My Mother got it right the first
> time"-
Love it.....SWIPE....and I'll use it at an AA meeting sooner or later.
Dan Goodman
Or, as reported of a former Texas governor: "Once was enough."
I wonder if anyone's said something like "Actually, I've been
reincarnated a number of times."
Alison Hiltabidle
> On May 4, 3:22ïÿ½am, Alison Hiltabidle <ahiltabi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>
>> I always liked "I'm not born again. ïÿ½My Mother got it right the first
>> time"-
>
> Love it.....SWIPE....and I'll use it at an AA meeting sooner or later.
It's yours! Think I saw it on a bumper sticker, oh so very many years
ago.
Another favorite is "Come to the Dark Side. We have Cookies ..."
Alison Hiltabidle
> Alison Hiltabidle wrote:
>
>> Dan Goodman explained on 5/4/2008 :
>>> Denny Wheeler wrote:
>>>
>>>> On Sat, 03 May 2008 18:42:30 -0500, Bookwyrm
>>>> <Book...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Read an op-ed piece a little while back that put forth the idea
>>>>> that it was to the Rev. Wright's benefit for Obama to lose. If
>>>>> he lost, the Rev. could say, "See, I told you it was all about
>>>>> anti-Black politics." If Obama wins, the Rev. would be forced to
>>>>> admit that he was wrong -- can't have that, can we??
>>>>
>>>> And just exactly when did you see anyone of the demagogue/near
>>>> demagogue class admit to being wrong?
>>>
>>> Actually, it's not unusual -- after a conversion. "I used to be
>>> one of Them, and hold those
>>> abominable[unChristian/Christian/atheist/liberal/conservative]
>>> beliefs. But now I've been saved!! And now I believe The Truth!"
>>
>> I always liked "I'm not born again. My Mother got it right the first
>> time"
>
> Or, as reported of a former Texas governor: "Once was enough."
>
> I wonder if anyone's said something like "Actually, I've been
> reincarnated a number of times."
*snort*
Wes Struebing
I always wanted a bumper sticker in reply to those "I FOUND IT!". Mine
was going to say, "I NEVER LOST IT"
Or "Herald of Truth" would be answered by "Wes of Champaign"...
Dan Goodman
There's one which says "We never lost it!" with a Star of David.
I've been thinking about one something like "The meek will inherit the
Earth. The rest of us will be Raptured."
0mn1vore
03:01:04 +0000, Dan Goodman said:
> Wes Struebing wrote:
>
>> On Sun, 04 May 2008 06:22:59 -0400, Alison Hiltabidle
>> <ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
[...]
>> >
>> > I always liked "I'm not born again. My Mother got it right the
>> > first time"
>> >
>> I always wanted a bumper sticker in reply to those "I FOUND IT!". Mine
>> was going to say, "I NEVER LOST IT"
>
> There's one which says "We never lost it!" with a Star of David.
>
> I've been thinking about one something like "The meek will inherit the
> Earth. The rest of us will be Raptured."
`The meek shall inherit the Earth.
The rest of us are going to the Stars!'
The Darwin Fish ones are great; same chromed plastic `Fishers of Men'
outline [much like the Captain Highliner logo], only it's got feet.
Of course, my favourite bumper sticker says; `Don't laugh, it's paid for.'
Patrick.
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but fix the (a) and the comma first.
It's a good thing we don't get all the government we pay for.
Tim Merrigan
wrote:
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 12:46:45 -0700 (PDT), Bette
><bette...@comcast.net> typed furiously:
>
>>On Apr 30, 2:31 pm, "Dan Goodman" <dsg...@iphouse.com> wrote:
>>> Moira wrote:
>>> > Of course I really hate the idea that this Reverend has been spreading
>>> > these insane ideas while standing tall behind a pulpit - appearing to
>>> > at least the young in the audience as a "authority"..
>>>
>>> The right to be whacko is the right to be free.
>>>
>>> He's far from the only such clergyman.
>>>
>>> --
>>> Dan Goodman
>>
>>That's just the point. He has influenced so many in a HATE against
>>whites.
>>Okay I'm black and my husband was white.
>>Guess who's coming for dinner? My mother in law could tell.
>>What a hell of a time that was for Babe.
>>I can imagine the conversations.
>>"Of all the nice girls you come home with a ........."
>>No I cannot say that foul word.
>>
>>Hey Dan, sorry, I better cool down.
>>You're one of the good ones.
>>Bette
>
>Judging by the number of mixed race couples I see wandering around my
>locality the days of "Guessing" are numbered. Unfortunately there will
>always be a few idiots who want to believe that racial "s**t" until a
>few more generations have passed and our children's children's
>children grow up and produce a generation that has not grown up with
>the bogeyman spectre.
I don't think that a day will ever come without bogeymen, they change,
but the don't go away.
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Tim Merrigan
Tim Merrigan
>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 20:46:10 -0600, Wes Struebing
><str...@carpedementem.org> wrote:
>
>>On Wed, 30 Apr 2008 11:06:45 -0700 (PDT), Bette
>><bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>>On Apr 28, 12:47 pm, Moira <moi...@abraxasgroup.net> wrote:
>>>> I watched the Reverend Wright's speech at the NACCP or is it the NAACP
>>>> last night and ended up really confused.
>>>
>>>> Moira
>>>
>>>Most of you know I have Black American roots. But to look at me, one
>>>would never know.
>>>I am appalled at Pastor Wright and how he's using Obama as a pawn and
>>>puppet.
>>>He was hoping for a GOOD BLACK BOY to agree with him and make it good
>>>for the Black community.
>>>This man is dangerous and I am ashamed.
>>>
>>>Bette <still fuming>
>>
>>...and he seems to be attempting to convince everyone within hearing
>>distance that Obama secretly agrees with him and is only saying those
>>"polite" things for political reasons.
>>
>>Not that I care for Obama all that much, anyway, but Rev. Wright is
>>destroying Barack before our eyes...
>>
>>Why?!
>>--
>>
>>Wes Struebing
>>
>>Jan. 20, 2009 - the end of an error
>Because Obama is the first serious Afro-American (A-A) candidate.
Actually I was thinking that Obama was to Kennedy as Jessie Jackson
was to Al Smith.
Tim Merrigan
I've seen, "The meek shall inherit the Earth; the rest of us are going
to the stars."
Rowan Hawthorn
I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be
unmanned."
Personally, I like the one that says, "My other car is a broom"...
--
Rowan Hawthorn
"Occasionally, I'm callous and strange." - Willow Rosenberg, "Buffy the
Vampire Slayer"
Jim Hetley
>
> I don't think that a day will ever come without bogeymen, they change,
> but the don't go away.
> --
The law of conservation of bogeymen? Bogeymen are neither created nor
destroyed, they merely change form?
Human societies appear to need enemies.
Jim
Chris Zakes
caused Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> to write:
(snip)
>I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be
>unmanned."
I like the one that says "In case of rapture, can I have your car?"
And then there's "God *was* my co-pilot, but we crashed in the
mountains and I had to eat him."
Or this one:
http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/11VtLgGhTeL._SS160_.jpg
-Chris Zakes
Texas
"If I've reached the place where I'm a good influence on anybody, it's time I
cultivated some new vices."
-Oscar Jensen in "Space Cadet" by Robert Heinlein
Ree
Oh! I like that.....
Ree.
David
typed furiously:
While this has been true in the past I still have hopes that one day
we will have a society without bigotry.
--
David
No email replies please.
So I'm right. Period.
Anyone who believes different is retarded.
(Stolen from JJRussell, alt.funnytown)
Captain Jack
news:ici0241k0pds03ndr...@4ax.com:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:10:20 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> to write:
> (snip)
>
>>I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will
>>be unmanned."
>
> I like the one that says "In case of rapture, can I have your car?"
>
<snip>
My usual reaction to that one is "Absolutely! *I* won't need it at that
point, and *you'll* need all the help you can get!!!"
The Cap'n
Rowan Hawthorn
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:10:20 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> to write:
> (snip)
>
>> I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be
>> unmanned."
>
> I like the one that says "In case of rapture, can I have your car?"
>
> And then there's "God *was* my co-pilot, but we crashed in the
> mountains and I had to eat him."
>
> Or this one:
> http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/11VtLgGhTeL._SS160_.jpg
>
Haw! I like it.
Indiana Joe
Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
> On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:10:20 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> to write:
> (snip)
>
> >I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be
> >unmanned."
>
> I like the one that says "In case of rapture, can I have your car?"
I'd like one that said, "In case of Rapture, this car will be
surrounded by surprised Baptists."
--
Joe Claffey | "In the end, everything is a gag."
india...@comcast.net | - Charlie Chaplin
Rowan Hawthorn
> In article <ici0241k0pds03ndr...@4ax.com>,
> Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> On Tue, 06 May 2008 07:10:20 -0500, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused Rowan Hawthorn <rowan_h...@hotmail.com> to write:
>> (snip)
>>
>>> I've seen one that says, "WARNING! In case of rapture, this car will be
>>> unmanned."
>> I like the one that says "In case of rapture, can I have your car?"
>
> I'd like one that said, "In case of Rapture, this car will be
> surrounded by surprised Baptists."
>
Ooo, that's cruel. I'll take a dozen...
--
Rowan Hawthorn (whose family is mostly Old Regular Baptist.)
Denny Wheeler
<jhe...@hotmail.com> wrote:
>On May 6, 5:41 am, Tim Merrigan <t...@ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
>>
>> I don't think that a day will ever come without bogeymen, they change,
>> but the don't go away.
>
>The law of conservation of bogeymen? Bogeymen are neither created nor
>destroyed, they merely change form?
>
>Human societies appear to need enemies.
"We have met the enemy, and he is us."
Barry Gold
>On 02 May 2008 19:47:08 GMT, bg...@nyx.net (Barry Gold) wrote:
>
>>Bette <bette...@comcast.net> wrote:
>>>My neighbor is Polish.
>>>He's so tired of the dumb
>>>Polish jokes he gets at
>>>work. People can be
>>>such jerks.
>>
>>There's only one Polish joke I like, and that's because it reflects
>>Polish history rather than any stereotype about Poles (or anybody
>>else) being dumb.
>>
>>
>>Space to let you not read it if you don't want to.
>>
>>For those who may have read/heard it, it's the one with a Djinn and
>>Mongols.
>>
><snip>
>>
>>"They had to cross Russia six times to do it."
>
>Oh, ROFLMAO!
>
>Mike a BOC for Barry, and whatever Cinnabar cares to lap up, too!
Thanks. Strawberry Margarita for me, and ippon Kyoto-style sake for
Cinnabar.
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to the republic which it established, one nation from many peoples, promising