Beauty and romantic relationships

[William Blake Jr.]

Physical attraction is healthy part of romantic relationships. Any
attempt to deny or trivialize such a thing will always lead to
hypocrisy and cruelty, as people will pursue the women who evoke such
attraction - but, not valuing it consciously, will then attack and
mistreat them. The failure to value one's likes lead one to go by one's
likes and then not value the person who evokes them. The person feeds
on what one wants, but fails to reward it. The dishonesty, cruelty and
malice keeps building; it becomes self-perpetuating. When one's likes
and values are not in accord, one has no chance at happiness, nor would

one allow happiness to anyone aroound him. And this leads to wasted
lives - a disease and a virus that perpetuates from generation to
generation and creates an ongoing tradition of needless misery.

Physical beauty is a form of excellence. Like intellect, strength, and
any kind of skill, physical beauty is a natural ability that one can
develop or not develop; and that, once developed, makes one a more
complete and accomplished human being. There is nothing shallow or
immoral about it, any more than there is anything shallow or immoral
about intelligence, strength or any kind of skill. Rather it is a form
of accomplishment - a form of attainment - and as such deserves respect
-

in the same way as it, being a large part of romantic attraction,
deserves being consciously computed and valued and recognized -

in order that the hypocrisy I spoke of be defeated, and life can go on
with transparency, intelligence and computation of costs -

with values and likes in accord and thus giving people a passing chance
at happiness -

and as such making them likewise tolerant of happiness in others.

Ilya Shambat
http://ibshambat.blogspot.com

[Day Brown]

Happiness would become more general if people quit obsessing about
romantic relationships. The hominids evolved in small tribal groups of
no more than 300, with about 50 possible mates to choose from in any
given generation. "The perfect match" was not an option. There just
wasnt that much to choose from. People had lower, and therefore much
more realistic expectations.

[Society]

"Day Brown" <dayb...@wildblue.net> opined in message
news:ixbrg.51$eH2.1...@news.sisna.com...

Ahh, and those limitations likely were the spur for our
ancestors to develop a romantic imagination and the
predilection to indulge in it. In a world of no more than
"50 possible mates" for the most attractive adults in
the band -- less for the majority, much less (duh! this
is sooo obvious with but a moment's reflection) --
some tendency to imagine ones partner as being a
bit more desirable than would be objectively indicated
could be advantageous.

Consider this, if one can go longer before a break up
with ones somewhat monogamous sex partner, a
less-than-alpha-male is likely to have more opportunities
to produce offspring and a female will have a partner
around longer to help raise the offspring she produces.
Both are genetic survival advantages.

So, perhaps the quality that leads almost all of us humans
to be "obsessing about romantic relationships" at one
time or another in our lives is a quality without which
few of us _could_ be happy.

--
[O]ne of the unelucidated ideas being
put forth by what might be called
mainstream feminism is what one could
plausibly call The Perpetual Princess
Gambit: the swindle that mothers (especially)
and other non-maiden women deserve to be
treated special, like maidens, under just
about all circumstances -- even more special
for the case of mothers (who have extra
concerns which need to be taken into
consideration). Even though America did away
with the monarchy 220+ years ago, nowadays
every woman is eligible to claim princess
status whenever it suits her. This is females
putting themselves up on a pedestal.
It's also women adopting the stance of brats.

The Martian Bachelor Scientist, "Classes of Women"
http://www.martianbachelor.com/Science/Classes.html

[Synn]

I don't see anything wrong with a man treating a woman like royalty if
she does the same for him. Would probably lessen the divorce rate. ;)

.
Synn
.
Life is not the moments of breath you take
But rather;
The moments that take your breath away.

[Frank McCoy]

What's wrong if she doesn't; as long as both parties know the score and it's
completely voluntary? (It worked out fine for *me*!)

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[Desideria]

"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
news:c43ub2plgup4hki00...@4ax.com...

>>
> What's wrong if she doesn't; as long as both parties know the score and
> it's
> completely voluntary? (It worked out fine for *me*!)

Mr. Frank, could you pretty-please snip the other groups before posting????
(I should ask--how difficult is it for you to do so?)

Thanks, dearie!!!

Desideria

[Day Brown]

Frank McCoy wrote:
>>I don't see anything wrong with a man treating a woman like royalty if
>>she does the same for him. Would probably lessen the divorce rate. ;)
>>
>
> What's wrong if she doesn't; as long as both parties know the score and it's
> completely voluntary? (It worked out fine for *me*!)

Realism tends to produce more maturity.

As for creativity, consider the Classic Greeks. After having torrid
affairs with Sappho, the girls come home to Athens from the Isle of
Lesbos to marry and raise families... with men who had boys on the side.

And what did all this perversion produce? Only the greatest collection
of genius the world has ever seen.

[Heidi Graw]

>"Day Brown" <dayb...@wildblue.net> wrote in message
>news:CEhxg.35$bn.1...@news.sisna.com...

> Frank McCoy wrote:
>>>I don't see anything wrong with a man treating a woman like royalty if
>>>she does the same for him. Would probably lessen the divorce rate. ;)
>>>
>>
>> What's wrong if she doesn't; as long as both parties know the score and
>> it's
>> completely voluntary? (It worked out fine for *me*!)
>> Realism tends to produce more maturity.

> Day Brown wrote:
> As for creativity, consider the Classic Greeks. After having torrid
> affairs with Sappho, the girls come home to Athens from the Isle of Lesbos
> to marry and raise families... with men who had boys on the side.
>
> And what did all this perversion produce? Only the greatest collection of
> genius the world has ever seen.

However, Day, just how much evidence exists about Sappho dating from the
time that she actually lived? Only a few scraps of her poetry exists. A
lot of speculation exists regarding this poetess. Did you ever read
Germaine Greer's book, "Slip-Shod Sibyls?" If not, I would encourage you to
read about what she wrote in regards to Sappho. You might find it quite
interesting.

Heidi