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> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
Well, I voted 100% Republican. One can only hope that it will work out
OK somehow.
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> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
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> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
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>Barack Obama is President-Elect.
Yes, We Did!!!!
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> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
All the [&Deity] be praised!
Marten Kemp
> Marten Kemp wrote:
>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>
Alison Hiltabidle
> Jette wrote:
>> Marten Kemp wrote:
>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>
>> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>>
> I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
Why?
saavik
whichever way you wish)
Margo
Alison Hiltabidle
or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
MajorOz
No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
"Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
Today they do"
cheers
oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
Captain Jack
@text.news.virginmedia.com:
> Marten Kemp wrote:
>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>
>
> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>
Nah. He'll just have to get used to wearing full Kevlar body armor anytime
he's out in public...
The Cap'n
Captain Jack
HKqI_UnZ2dn...@earthlink.com:
> Jette wrote:
>> Marten Kemp wrote:
>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>
>> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>>
> I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
>
I agree, but only to keep Biden out of the top spot.
The Cap'n
Captain Jack
news:0is3h4p7gc7pf4r92...@4ax.com:
>
>>Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
> Yes, We Did!!!!
>
> *happydance*
And just think: Only 1460 days until the 2012 elections!
The Cap'n
Alison Hiltabidle
I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
David
<ahilt...@verizon.net> typed furiously:
Bush?
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Alison Hiltabidle
Or any recent. Oh, wait. That was Bush.
Denny Wheeler
>>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>>
>> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>>
>> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>>
>> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
>> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
>> Today they do"
>>
>> cheers
>>
>> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
>
>I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
>of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
>job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't see that,
you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
-denny-
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Denny Wheeler
And just think: only 300-400 days 'til the campaigning for 2012
starts. <grump>
David
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> typed:
>On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:02:00 -0500, Alison Hiltabidle
><ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>>>
>>> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>>>
>>> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>>>
>>> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
>>> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
>>> Today they do"
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
>>
>>I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
>>of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
>>job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
>
>It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't see that,
>you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
>
>I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
>ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
>
>But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
>sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>
Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
a coloured female.
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Desideria
wrote:
Yeah. I told Denny I was conscious of a letdown after McCain conceded
and Obama officially won. I suddenly realized that *I* would be
cheering like those crowds--the way I did at the World Cup the
American women won--if it had been the right *female* candidate who
won.
For me to really feel represented, and to see the last hurdle
overcome, I feel the need to have a woman president, but only one I
can wholly support.
Desideria
Alison Hiltabidle
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:02:00 -0500, Alison Hiltabidle
> <ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>>>
>>> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>>>
>>> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>>>
>>> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
>>> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
>>> Today they do"
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
>>
>> I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
>> of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
>> job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
>
> It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't see that,
> you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
>
> I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
> ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
>
> But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
> sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>
>
> -denny-
But it shouldn't be. What should be important is the capability of the
person in office, not the color, creed, sex, or religion of the person
in office.
John W. Vinson
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Joyce of Pendle
> Denny Wheeler brought next idea :
> >> I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than
> >> the color of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person
> >> is incapable of the job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or
> >> religion. Ad nauseum.
> > It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't
> > see that, you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
> > I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
> > ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
> > But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man'
> > in the sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the
> > Presidency.
> But it shouldn't be. What should be important is the capability
> of the person in office, not the color, creed, sex, or religion
> of the person in office.
Probably you don't remember 1960 and the people that said we
couldn't possibly have a President who was Roman Catholic. JFK
proved that being RC was not a bar to the presidency. (He persuaded
people to vote for him, and they proved it. Whichever.)
Yesterday, it was proved that African ancestry is not a bar either.
It is wonderful - it is a thing to rejoice at - that this next step
has been taken. It would not, could not, have happened in 1960.
JFK said (approximately) "I will not be the Catholic president; I
will be the President, and I happen to be Catholic." Obama is the
president who happens to be coloured, or of mixed race, or even
black. He's not my president (because I'm now a British citizen)
but he is president for all the US and represents every US citizen.
The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated proves
that gender is not a bar either.
Now if only stupidity, incompetence, and corruption were bars...
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Lots42
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
> I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
> ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
Same here...PLUS many more reasons, including Palin scares the
bejeeebers out of me.
> But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
> sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>
> -denny-
> --
Exactly. There's still people alive today who, at times, could not
legally choose their own seat on an empty public bus. If it stopped
for them.
Lots42
> But it shouldn't be. What should be important is the capability of the
> person in office, not the color, creed, sex, or religion of the person
> in office.
???? If the skin colors of McCain and Obama had been switched, I'd
have still voted for Obama.
The fact a black man won in -America- is just the million-mile wide
silver lining on a, um...good cloud.
Captain Jack
news:4ff9f464...@invalid.invalid:
>
> Now if only stupidity, incompetence, and corruption were bars...
>
If that were the case, both the House and the Senate would be empty...
The Cap'n
Rowan Hawthorn
> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:53:40 -0600, Captain Jack
> <whod...@NOSPAM.US.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>> Summer Storms <summerbyt...@gRANT.DOTnet> wrote in
>> news:0is3h4p7gc7pf4r92...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>> Yes, We Did!!!!
>>>
>>> *happydance*
>> And just think: Only 1460 days until the 2012 elections!
>
> And just think: only 300-400 days 'til the campaigning for 2012
> starts. <grump>
I'd say we'll be lucky if it takes *that* long.
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Tonnie
wrote:
>Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
>a coloured female.
A homosexual coloured female would be great.
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David
<ahilt...@verizon.net> typed:
I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
western societies.
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Marten Kemp
Because he's not going to do the best job that he can
but he's going to get the best job done that's possible.
He's smarter than I am (even though that's just barely
plausible) and still realizes that he may not have all
the answers himself and recognizes the need to solicit
opinions from other smart people with differing
viewpoints _who will argue with him_ .
Marten Kemp
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:36:01 +1030, David <faro...@picknowl.com.au>
> wrote:
>
>> Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
>> a coloured female.
>
> A homosexual coloured female would be great.
Hispanic/Black/Jewish/Chinese lesbian who's Buddhist?
Alison Hiltabidle
You're right - I don't remember 1960. It would have been hard to,
since I wasn't born then.
Larisa
Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist condemnations
of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive and well.
LM
Alison Hiltabidle
Agreed.
Alison Hiltabidle
And I would still feel the way I do about Obama. Incredibly
charismatic; and I wouldn't trust him as far as I could throw him. Got
nothing to do with color.
Alison Hiltabidle
I hope that you're right; and I hope that I'm wrong. But I doubt it.
Chris Zakes
caused David <faro...@picknowl.com.au> to write:
(snip)
>I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
>many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
>religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
>western societies.
Yes, but be realistic. Much of that demonization is self-inflicted.
The terrorists have hijacked Islam for their own purposes. Al Quaeda,
is doing its best to turn the situation into an "Islam or death"
conflict.
Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
innocent people.
-Chris Zakes
Texas
A politician may be distinguished from a statesman in that the former is,
unfortunately, not dead.
Adapted from "The Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Bierce
Beth Jackson
>>Now all you need to do
>>is pass the last hurdles,
>>elect a female and/or
>>a coloured female.
Tonnie:
>A homosexual
>coloured female
>would be great.
<grin>
This (imo;) is beginning to sound like a bit from one of the earlier
episodes from the popular USA-ian TV comedy show "Will & Grace" (I know
-- I have a VHS-video of this episode:).
;-D
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saavik
But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
0mn1vore
[stripping all political connotations...]
> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
Of course. You're absolutely right.
BOYC?
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Joyce of Pendle
> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
> > The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
> > proves that gender is not a bar either.
> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
> condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
> and well.
Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
President".
Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
And a woman ran for vice-president just a few years ago: she was
interviewed by the BBC this week. So there should be now no
argument that a woman could not become president. (How many
heart-beats away from the Oval Office is Nancy Peloski? Three?)
In 1960 they *did* say that it would be flat out wrong to have a
Roman Catholic president. No one even suggested that maybe someday
New Orleans would have a black mayor. We have changed. Too slowly,
not far enough, but the world is different.
saavik
> In <4913229c$0$23324$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com> Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0500, saavik said:
>
> [stripping all political connotations...]
>
>
>> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
>> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
>> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
>>
>
> Of course. You're absolutely right.
>
> BOYC?
>
>
>
> Patrick.
>
handed and very patronizing of you to unilaterally strip the political
connotations from what has been an entirely political thread from the start.
Your offer of a BOC is kind of you but I'll have to take a pass, thanks.
Margo
Larisa
> Larisa wrote:
> > Joyce of Pendle wrote:
> > > The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
> > > proves that gender is not a bar either.
> > Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
> > condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
> > and well.
>
> Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
> Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
> President".
> Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
Oh, but she's nowhere near the first woman to run for President. The
first one was in 1884, and no one said "But we *can't* have a woman
for President". There were others, too. The point is that none of
them won, and that the same level of sexist attacks and ridicule as
was directed at Belva Ann Bennett Lockwood in 1884 was directed at
Hillary Clinton in 2008.
I'm not sure that gender will remain a bar to the Presidency for long;
but for now, it still is.
LM
Jette
> On Nov 5, 7:04 pm, Alison Hiltabidle <ahiltabi...@verizon.net> wrote:
>> saavik explained :
>>
>>
>>
>>> Alison Hiltabidle wrote:
>>>> After serious thinking Marten Kemp wrote :
>>>>> Jette wrote:
>>>>>> Marten Kemp wrote:
>>>>>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>>>>> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>>>>> I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
>>>> Why?
>>> way you wish)
>>> Margo
>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>
> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>
> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>
> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
> Today they do"
>
> cheers
>
> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
Yep. It's like - not the same, but similar - to when Maggie Thatcher
became Prime Minister in the UK. Before that, young girls didn't
usually see a future for themselves in politics. After that, because
she was PM for so long, lots of boys (grade school age) didn't realise
that men *could* be Prime Minister!
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you saw that rather striking poster where they did exactly that? it
was supposed to be a non-partisan poster. Obama as a white man,
McCain as an old black man, and the line "Let the issues be the issue".
http://www.ananova.com/news/story/sm_3073509.html
0mn1vore
> 0mn1vore wrote:
>> In <4913229c$0$23324$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com> Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0500, saavik said:
>>
>> [stripping all political connotations...]
>>
>>
>>> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
>>> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
>>> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
>>>
>>
>> Of course. You're absolutely right.
>>
>> BOYC?
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick.
>>
> While I agree that my comment may apply in general, I feel it was high
> handed and very patronizing of you to unilaterally strip the political
> connotations from what has been an entirely political thread from the start.
I wasn't disagreeing with your original statement, just interpreting it a
little differently. Thread-drift happens a lot, around here. Word-play
and free-association too. Oh, and puns.
No offense intended.
>
> Your offer of a BOC is kind of you but I'll have to take a pass, thanks.
Okay.
>
> Margo
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> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54:18 +1030, an orbital mind-control laser
> caused David <faro...@picknowl.com.au> to write:
>
> (snip)
>
>> I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
>> many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
>> religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
>> western societies.
>
> Yes, but be realistic. Much of that demonization is self-inflicted.
> The terrorists have hijacked Islam for their own purposes. Al Quaeda,
> is doing its best to turn the situation into an "Islam or death"
> conflict.
>
> Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
> terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
> more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
> like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
> innocent people.
How many Christians speak up loudly and publicaly about atrocities
committed by self proclaimed "Christians"? When was the last time you
heard a tele-evangelist giving a sermon _against_ attacking Family
Planning Clinics? Or against "gay-bashing"?
Sounds a lot like "silence as consent" to me - should I therefor fear
every Christian I meet? Should I view anyone wearing a cross or
crucifix as a potential murderer?
Jette
> Larisa wrote:
>> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>
>>> The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
>>> proves that gender is not a bar either.
>
>> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
>> condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
>> and well.
>
> Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
> Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
> President".
> Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
>
Actually, I did - on a ng we both know, Joyce. (asm). A _woman_
questioned the idea of a woman president "because she might get
hormonal with her finger on the trigger".
David
(Beth Jackson) typed:
>(to borrow from Bob Hope: "Thanks for the memories":)
>
I thought it was Bennie Hill "Thanks for the mammaries." ;-)}}}
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David
<dont...@gmail.com> typed:
>On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54:18 +1030, an orbital mind-control laser
>caused David <faro...@picknowl.com.au> to write:
>
>(snip)
>
>>I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
>>many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
>>religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
>>western societies.
>
>Yes, but be realistic. Much of that demonization is self-inflicted.
>The terrorists have hijacked Islam for their own purposes. Al Quaeda,
>is doing its best to turn the situation into an "Islam or death"
>conflict.
>
>Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>innocent people.
>
It is possible that either we do not hear the dissent or that the
majority of the people of that region are kept ignorant of the
circumstances, perhaps deliberately in both cases.
There has been dissent in Australia but it receives scant publicity.
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Alison Hiltabidle
No, I don't look for perfection. And I will agree that Obama excels in
being charismatic. Other than that? We will have to see.
You know, I can remember when you were actually a nice person to
converse with. When did you become such a bitch because someone
doesn't agree with your point of view?
Bookwyrm
> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>> Larisa wrote:
>>> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>>
>>>> The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
>>>> proves that gender is not a bar either.
>>
>>> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
>>> condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
>>> and well.
>>
>> Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
>> Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
>> President". Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
>>
>
> Actually, I did - on a ng we both know, Joyce. (asm). A _woman_
> questioned the idea of a woman president "because she might get hormonal
> with her finger on the trigger".
>
>
<snort>
And how is that different from a man with raging testosterone levels
with his finger on the trigger??
'wyrm
saavik
I might ask you the same question.
LJ Wolfe
<marte...@earthlink.net> wrote:
> Tonnie wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:36:01 +1030, David <faro...@picknowl.com.au>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
>>> a coloured female.
>> A homosexual coloured female would be great.
>
> Hispanic/Black/Jewish/Chinese lesbian who's Buddhist?
Or atheist. IMO, we'll see a Jew or Buddhist before an atheist, and an
atheist before a pagan.
Obama's election is a great step, but there are still several "glass
ceilings" left.
Morgan /|\
Jette
Some of us buy into the lies that we're fed. "women get hormonal -
they can't be trusted with X, Y, Z".
Tonnie
>Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>innocent people.
That's easier said than done. Who would listen to them?
--
If you want a high performance woman, I can go from zero to
bitch in less than 2.1 seconds. Krystal Ann Kraus
Jette
<Ahem>
How about a full blooded Cherokee or Comanche? Or indeed any other
Native American?
LJ Wolfe
wrote:
> Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54:18 +1030, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused David <faro...@picknowl.com.au> to write:
>> (snip)
>>
>>> I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
>>> many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
>>> religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
>>> western societies.
>> Yes, but be realistic. Much of that demonization is self-inflicted.
>> The terrorists have hijacked Islam for their own purposes. Al Quaeda,
>> is doing its best to turn the situation into an "Islam or death"
>> conflict.
>> Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>> terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>> more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>> like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>> innocent people.
>
> How many Christians speak up loudly and publicaly about atrocities
> committed by self proclaimed "Christians"? When was the last time you
> heard a tele-evangelist giving a sermon _against_ attacking Family
> Planning Clinics? Or against "gay-bashing"?
>
> Sounds a lot like "silence as consent" to me - should I therefor fear
> every Christian I meet? Should I view anyone wearing a cross or
> crucifix as a potential murderer?
You beat me to it :-).
When other Christians stay silent about things like this:
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/bruce-wilson/palins-movement-urges-god_b_139987.html
http://www.dailykos.com/storyonly/2008/11/1/135451/173/882/648975
...are they condoning it? Does it reflect on the entire religion?
These are some scary people, every bit as scary IMO as Islamic extremists.
Let me be clear: I don't like Islamic extremists. I don't like Christian
extremists. I don't like
Jewish/Hindu/Buddhist/Mithraist/Wiccan/Atheist/fill-in-any-other-faith-related-group-here
extremists. The attacks on 9/11 are to be condemned, as is the attack on
the Murrah Federal Building, or any other terrorist attack.
The Muslims have been taking the main hit, but they're far from being the
only group with a radical fringe that deserves condemnation.
Morgan /|\
LJ Wolfe
<ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
> saavik was thinking very hard :
>> Alison Hiltabidle wrote:
>>> Marten Kemp formulated on Thursday :
<snip>
>>>> Because he's not going to do the best job that he can
>>>> but he's going to get the best job done that's possible.
>>>>
>>>> He's smarter than I am (even though that's just barely
>>>> plausible) and still realizes that he may not have all
>>>> the answers himself and recognizes the need to solicit
>>>> opinions from other smart people with differing
>>>> viewpoints _who will argue with him_ .
>>>
>>> I hope that you're right; and I hope that I'm wrong. But I doubt it.
>>>
>> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
>> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
>> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
>
> No, I don't look for perfection. And I will agree that Obama excels in
> being charismatic. Other than that? We will have to see.
Let's see, president of the Harvard Law Review? Graduating with high
honors?
Unless he charmed all of his professors into those grades, he's obviously
good at _something_ besides being charismatic. ;-)
Morgan /|\
who knows how much work goes into earning a degree with honors
Matthew Russotto
Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>innocent people.
Silence? There's been no silence. Instead, there's been voting for
Hamas and popular rioting over Danish cartoons.
--
It's times like these which make me glad my bank is Dial-a-Mattress
Matthew Russotto
Jette <boss...@scotlandmail.com> wrote:
>Bookwyrm wrote:
>>
>> <snort>
>> And how is that different from a man with raging testosterone levels
>> with his finger on the trigger??
>>
>
>Some of us buy into the lies that we're fed. "women get hormonal -
>they can't be trusted with X, Y, Z".
The lower age limit for the US presidency is 35 years. I wouldn't be
at all surprised if fear of "raging testosterone" didn't have something to do
with that.
Lots42
> Alison Hiltabidle wrote:
> > After serious thinking Marten Kemp wrote :
> >> Jette wrote:
> >>> Marten Kemp wrote:
> >>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>
> >>> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>
> >> I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
>
> > Why?
I'd do it simply because Barack dying would harm the country much,
much more then I care to imagine.
Lots42
> On Nov 6, 6:26 am, Joyce of Pendle <pen...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
> > The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated proves
> > that gender is not a bar either.
>
> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist condemnations
> of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive and well.
>
> LM-
And so is Hillary's incompetence.
Lots42
Thank you, you have detailed my opinions exactly.
I don't take silence as consent. I take consent as consent. For
example, I don't think all black people support O.J...only the black
people who (inexpecliably IMHO) support him verballly...
Lots42
> Actually, I did - on a ng we both know, Joyce. (asm). A _woman_
> questioned the idea of a woman president "because she might get
> hormonal with her finger on the trigger".
>
> --
> Jette Goldie
Yikes. Did this other woman actually believe that the big red button
is -real-? It's only real in cartoons like Fairly Odd Parents...where
it blows up Pluto.
Poor Pluto. Always abused in fiction.
In the reality Superman lives in, Pluto was -stolen- and nobody seemed
to care. Except for when it came back and tried to blow up Earth.
Lots42
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 09:17:12 -0600, Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
> >terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
> >more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
> >like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
> >innocent people.
>
> That's easier said than done. Who would listen to them?
And in some areas, would they even be allowed? I'm sure there's been
some veiled woman in some third-world country thinking it's horrible
thousands of innocent Americans died for no reason...but if she said
so, she'd be told to shut up. At minimum.
Lots42
wrote:
> In article <f916h4l0k27r0241cortu2su0jh9qqa...@4ax.com>,
> Chris Zakes <donti...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> >Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
> >terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
> >more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
> >like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
> >innocent people.
>
> Silence? There's been no silence. Instead, there's been voting for
> Hamas and popular rioting over Danish cartoons.
Which would explain the dearth of condemnation. When your own
countrymen go apeshit because someone sketched their holy man, you'd
probably reconsider having -any- opinion.
Alison Hiltabidle
<plonk>
Alison Hiltabidle
Having good grade means he knows how to study and can pass tests.
Doesn't mean that he is qualified to become president.
but, like I said before ... I would love to be proven wrong. I don't
think I will, though.
Jette
> In article <f916h4l0k27r0241c...@4ax.com>,
> Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>> terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>> more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>> like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>> innocent people.
>
> Silence? There's been no silence. Instead, there's been voting for
> Hamas and popular rioting over Danish cartoons.
And some of those "rioting" were those arguing with their brothers
against the violence. Or didn't you notice?
Tonnie
wrote:
>LJ Wolfe wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 06:43:57 -0800, Marten Kemp
>> <marte...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Tonnie wrote:
>>>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:36:01 +1030, David <faro...@picknowl.com.au>
>>>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
>>>>> a coloured female.
>>>> A homosexual coloured female would be great.
>>>
>>> Hispanic/Black/Jewish/Chinese lesbian who's Buddhist?
>>
>> Or atheist. IMO, we'll see a Jew or Buddhist before an atheist, and an
>> atheist before a pagan.
>>
>> Obama's election is a great step, but there are still several "glass
>> ceilings" left.
>>
>
><Ahem>
>
>How about a full blooded Cherokee or Comanche? Or indeed any other
>Native American?
Oops - I forgot them - I agree with you, doesn't matter male or
female.
--
"We can let our children watch people being murdered in the most
horrible ways; let them watch people have their brains blown out
all over a wall. But God forbid those kids should see a nipple."
Lewis Black
Tonnie
(Matthew Russotto) wrote:
>In article <f916h4l0k27r0241c...@4ax.com>,
>Chris Zakes <dont...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>>terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>>more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>>like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>>innocent people.
>
>Silence? There's been no silence. Instead, there's been voting for
>Hamas and popular rioting over Danish cartoons.
Heck, if I were Palestinian I'd vote for Hamas as well.
--
Always forgive your enemies - nothing annoys them so much. -
Oscar Wilde
Tonnie
wrote:
Ehmmm.... my son and his wife are muslims (she's unveiled) and they
live in the Netherlands with their two kids.
They both think that it is horrible when innocent people die, no
matter where: Afghanistan, Irak, America, any African country,
Palestine etc. etc.
--
California is a fine place to live--if you happen to be an
orange. Fred Allen
Tonnie
<ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Having good grade means he knows how to study and can pass tests.
>Doesn't mean that he is qualified to become president.
>
>but, like I said before ... I would love to be proven wrong. I don't
>think I will, though.
I think you are very negative - you cannot even be objective about it.
Your last sentence spoils it all.
--
I would like to help you out. Which way did you come in?
Larisa
Especially a law degree. Law school is not easy.
LM (very far from high honors, and still working my little brains
out...)
Alison Hiltabidle
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 16:49:37 -0500, Alison Hiltabidle
> <ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> Having good grade means he knows how to study and can pass tests.
>> Doesn't mean that he is qualified to become president.
>>
>> but, like I said before ... I would love to be proven wrong. I don't
>> think I will, though.
>
> I think you are very negative - you cannot even be objective about it.
> Your last sentence spoils it all.
And you don't even know me. Gee.
What you don't understand is that I am speaking truthfully. Has
nothing to do with negativity. If I'm proven wrong, I will be the
first to rejoice in the fact that I was wrong.
It's not negative. It's realistic.
Marten Kemp
Well, if Obama's election shows that at least one "glass ceiling"
is vulnerable to the right person then the rest are, too.
--
-- Marten Kemp
(Fix name and ISP to reply)
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>>But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
>>sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>>
>Now all you need to do is pass the last hurdles, elect a female and/or
>a coloured female.
There was one I knew of, who, had she lived longer, or been born just
a few years later, could have been elected, I suspect. Woulda been a
lot better for the country to have that particular real Texan in the
Oval office than the faux one who's been there 7+ years too long.
Her name? Wes Streubing knows. So do others.
Oh. She was also a lesbian. And, due to MS, she was physically disabled.
The late Congresswoman, Barbara Jordan.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Barbara_Jordan
Speaking of folks who died way too young.
-denny-
--
"...our dignity, our free institutions and the peace and
welfare of this and coming generations of Americans will be
secure only as we cling to the watchword of true patriotism:
'Our country--when right to be kept right; when wrong to be put
right.'" - Carl Schurz, in 1899
Denny Wheeler
<marte...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>Because he's not going to do the best job that he can
>but he's going to get the best job done that's possible.
>
>He's smarter than I am (even though that's just barely
>plausible) and still realizes that he may not have all
>the answers himself and recognizes the need to solicit
>opinions from other smart people with differing
>viewpoints _who will argue with him_ .
I believe those things to be true--I certainly hope they are. It's
damn well time for a President who will surround himself with
competent people.
Denny Wheeler
<pen...@invalid.invalid> wrote:
>Now if only stupidity, incompetence, and corruption were bars...
Or were found only in or behind bars.
Denny Wheeler
<jvinson@STOP_SPAM.WysardOfInfo.com> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:53:40 -0600, Captain Jack
><whod...@NOSPAM.US.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Summer Storms <summerbyt...@gRANT.DOTnet> wrote in
>>news:0is3h4p7gc7pf4r92...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>>>Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>>
>>> Yes, We Did!!!!
>>>
>>> *happydance*
>>
>>And just think: Only 1460 days until the 2012 elections!
>>
>>The Cap'n
>
><snork>
>
>http://xkcd.com/500/
and in reply:
http://comics.com/drabble/?DateAfter=2008-11-04&DateBefore=2008-11-04&Order=s.DateStrip+DESC&PerPage=1&x=46&y=9&Search=
(Drabble, of 4 Nov 2008)
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>0mn1vore wrote:
>> In <4913229c$0$23324$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com> Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0500, saavik said:
>>
>> [stripping all political connotations...]
>>
>>
>>> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
>>> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
>>> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
>>>
>>
>> Of course. You're absolutely right.
>>
>> BOYC?
>>
>>
>>
>> Patrick.
>>
>While I agree that my comment may apply in general, I feel it was high
>handed and very patronizing of you to unilaterally strip the political
>connotations from what has been an entirely political thread from the start.
Ummm...Margo? God really is an iron. One Canadian (who herself has
shown a fair bit of 'high-handedness') is chastising another, in a
thread about USA politics.
Is it patronizing of Patrick--or me, or anyone else--feel that your
quoted statement above is applicable to a lot more than just the
political arena?
(my answer is 'no' as you may guess)
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>On Nov 6, 12:35 am, Denny Wheeler
><den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>
>> I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
>> ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
>
>Same here...PLUS many more reasons, including Palin scares the
>bejeeebers out of me.
My reactions to her are a bit mixed. I'm aghast at the idea of her
being in *any* public office, but then I also find her very comical.
(of course, I can think of some very comical to outsiders people from
the first half of the 20th C, who were anything but comical before
they were done.)
>> But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
>> sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>>
>
>Exactly. There's still people alive today who, at times, could not
>legally choose their own seat on an empty public bus. If it stopped
>for them.
There are MANY of those people still alive. And not all of 'em lived
in the Deep South.
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>On Nov 6, 10:05 am, Larisa <purple_bov...@yahoo.com> wrote:
Can I be the first to request that you provide some evidence?
saavik
saavik
> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 13:03:28 -0500, saavik <saa...@sympatico.ca>
> wrote:
>
>
>> 0mn1vore wrote:
>>
>>> In <4913229c$0$23324$9a6e...@unlimited.newshosting.com> Thu, 06 Nov 2008 12:00:06 -0500, saavik said:
>>>
>>> [stripping all political connotations...]
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>> If you are looking for perfection, you will always be disappointed.
>>>> But if you can't recognize excellence when it is dangling in front of
>>>> your nose, you deserve to be miserable in your (self-inflicted) doubt.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> Of course. You're absolutely right.
>>>
>>> BOYC?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Patrick.
>>>
>>>
>> While I agree that my comment may apply in general, I feel it was high
>> handed and very patronizing of you to unilaterally strip the political
>> connotations from what has been an entirely political thread from the start.
>>
>
> Ummm...Margo? God really is an iron. One Canadian (who herself has
> shown a fair bit of 'high-handedness') is chastising another, in a
> thread about USA politics.
>
> Is it patronizing of Patrick--or me, or anyone else--feel that your
> quoted statement above is applicable to a lot more than just the
> political arena?
>
> (my answer is 'no' as you may guess)
>
> -denny-
>
or someone else. Go ask Alice. {:>p
YMMV
0mn1vore
[sigh] I don't have time for this. Life's too short.
plonk
Patrick.
--
Email to; 0mn1-sneaking(a)sneakEmail,com
but fix the (a) and the comma first.
If you don't care where you are, then you ain't lost.
Chris Zakes
caused Wes Struebing <str...@carpedementem.org> to write:
>On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 18:42:27 GMT, Jette <boss...@scotlandmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>>> Larisa wrote:
>>>> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>>>
>>>>> The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
>>>>> proves that gender is not a bar either.
>>>
>>>> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
>>>> condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
>>>> and well.
>>>
>>> Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
>>> Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
>>> President".
>>> Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
>>>
>>
>>Actually, I did - on a ng we both know, Joyce. (asm). A _woman_
>>questioned the idea of a woman president "because she might get
>>hormonal with her finger on the trigger".
>
>Oh, jeez! Did anyone point out Margaret Thatcher?
Or the old poster with a picture of Golda Meir and the caption "Yes,
but can she type?"
-Chris Zakes
Texas
A politician may be distinguished from a statesman in that the former is,
unfortunately, not dead.
Adapted from "The Devil's Dictionary" by Ambrose Bierce
Chris Zakes
caused Jette <boss...@scotlandmail.com> to write:
>Chris Zakes wrote:
>> On Thu, 06 Nov 2008 23:54:18 +1030, an orbital mind-control laser
>> caused David <faro...@picknowl.com.au> to write:
>>
>> (snip)
>>
>>> I agree with you that it should be the capability but there are still
>>> many people who do judge by the colour of a person's skin or gender or
>>> religion. It does not help that Islam is currently being demonised in
>>> western societies.
>>
>> Yes, but be realistic. Much of that demonization is self-inflicted.
>> The terrorists have hijacked Islam for their own purposes. Al Quaeda,
>> is doing its best to turn the situation into an "Islam or death"
>> conflict.
>>
>> Supposedly, the vast majority of Muslims don't agree with the
>> terrorists and their tactics, but it'd be nice if they were a little
>> more vocal about it. From where I'm sitting, their silence looks a lot
>> like consent, or at least toleration of the murders of thousands of
>> innocent people.
>
>
>How many Christians speak up loudly and publicaly about atrocities
>committed by self proclaimed "Christians"? When was the last time you
>heard a tele-evangelist giving a sermon _against_ attacking Family
>Planning Clinics? Or against "gay-bashing"?
>
>Sounds a lot like "silence as consent" to me - should I therefor fear
>every Christian I meet? Should I view anyone wearing a cross or
>crucifix as a potential murderer?
One of my secret vices is listening to Christian talk-radio. Maybe
Jimmy Swaggart and Pat Robertson aren't saying it, but a fair number
of the others *are* saying that murder is murder, whether it's
abortion or abortion providers. And I've heard quite a bit of "hate
the sin, love the sinner" when they're talking about homosexuality.
saavik
Richard Fallstrom
Jack <whod...@NOSPAM.US.yahoo.com> wrote:
> Marten Kemp <marte...@earthlink.net> wrote in news:TJWdnbpO_-
> HKqI_UnZ2dn...@earthlink.com:
>
> > Jette wrote:
> >> Marten Kemp wrote:
> >>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
> >>
> >> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
> >>
> > I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
> >
>
> I agree, but only to keep Biden out of the top spot.
>
> The Cap'n
I'll agree with that one. I don't trust a man whose smile never reaches
their eyes.
Rick (sometimes is a GentleRF and sometimes is not)
Wes Struebing
<ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>saavik explained :
>> Alison Hiltabidle wrote:
>>> After serious thinking Marten Kemp wrote :
>>>> Jette wrote:
>>>>> Marten Kemp wrote:
>>>>>> Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>>>>
>>>>> I wonder if the Secret Service is hiring new staff?
>>>>>
>>>> I'm too old, but I can see myself taking a bullet for that guy.
>>>
>>> Why?
>>>
>>>
>> Oh, maybe because he is capable of doing great things? (read that whichever
>> way you wish)
>>
>> Margo
>
>or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>
So, neither were/are worth taking a bullet for? (since that IS the
Secret Service' job, if necessary)
--
Wes Struebing
Jan. 20, 2009 - the end of an error
Wes Struebing
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 19:53:40 -0600, Captain Jack
><whod...@NOSPAM.US.yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>>Summer Storms <summerbyt...@gRANT.DOTnet> wrote in
>>news:0is3h4p7gc7pf4r92...@4ax.com:
>>
>>>
>>>>Barack Obama is President-Elect.
>>>
>>> Yes, We Did!!!!
>>>
>>> *happydance*
>>
>>And just think: Only 1460 days until the 2012 elections!
>
>And just think: only 300-400 days 'til the campaigning for 2012
>starts. <grump>
>
Think it's gonna be THAT long?
;-)
Wes Struebing
<whod...@NOSPAM.US.yahoo.com> wrote:
>Joyce of Pendle <pen...@invalid.invalid> wrote in
>news:4ff9f464...@invalid.invalid:
>
>>
>> Now if only stupidity, incompetence, and corruption were bars...
>>
>
>If that were the case, both the House and the Senate would be empty...
>
<grins>
POINT!
BOYC, Cap'n?
Wes Struebing
I think, too that the fact that Hillary ran such a close, hard-fought
campaign for the nomination indicates that, while the "glass ceiling"
for females may not be broken, but it's showing a awful lot of
cracks...
(at least I sincerely HOPE so!)
Wes Struebing
<den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote:
>On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:02:00 -0500, Alison Hiltabidle
><ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>
>>>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>>>
>>> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>>>
>>> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>>>
>>> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
>>> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
>>> Today they do"
>>>
>>> cheers
>>>
>>> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
>>
>>I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
>>of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
>>job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
>
>It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't see that,
>you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
>
>I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
>ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
>
>But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
>sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>
(salutes Denny)
Well said, sir; well said!
BOYC? (and one for you, too, Alison?)
Wes Struebing
<ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>Denny Wheeler brought next idea :
>> On Wed, 05 Nov 2008 21:02:00 -0500, Alison Hiltabidle
>> <ahilt...@verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>>>>> or not. Neither candidate gave me warm fuzzies.
>>>>
>>>> No matter who we voted for, we must be proud of the historic moment.
>>>>
>>>> Juan Williams said it, IMO, best:
>>>>
>>>> "Kids in this country are told that each of them can grow up to be
>>>> president. Black kids never saw themselves as part of that group.
>>>> Today they do"
>>>>
>>>> cheers
>>>>
>>>> oz, who didn't vote for him, but wish him all the best
>>>
>>> I'm more concerned about the capability of the candidate than the color
>>> of his skin. I don't see it historic if the person is incapable of the
>>> job, regardless of color. Or sex. Or religion. Ad nauseum.
>>
>> It's historic regardless of the man's ability. If you don't see that,
>> you need to give the horse back her blinkers.
>>
>> I for one voted for Obama because I think he does have a lot of
>> ability--more than I've seen in a candidate for many years.
>>
>> But--it's a damn' remarkable thing that any man of color ('man' in the
>> sense of 'person' not of 'male') could be elected to the Presidency.
>>
>>
>> -denny-
>
>But it shouldn't be. What should be important is the capability of the
>person in office, not the color, creed, sex, or religion of the person
>in office.
>
Certainly it shouldn't be. I don't think you'll find ANY disagreement
with your statements right above there.
However, that's NOT the reality in this country. Which is WHY the
election of this man is historic. Whether you agree with his politics
and his abilities, or not.
Wes Struebing
wrote:
>Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>> Larisa wrote:
>>> Joyce of Pendle wrote:
>>
>>>> The fact that Hilary Clinton came so near to being nominated
>>>> proves that gender is not a bar either.
>>
>>> Ah, in fact it was - look at all the undeniably sexist
>>> condemnations of her throughout the campaign. Sexism is alive
>>> and well.
>>
>> Oh yes, I agree that sexism is alive and well. But (here across the
>> Atlantic) I didn't hear anyone say "But we *can't* have a woman
>> President".
>> Even though some of them might have meant exactly that :((
>>
>
>Actually, I did - on a ng we both know, Joyce. (asm). A _woman_
>questioned the idea of a woman president "because she might get
>hormonal with her finger on the trigger".
Oh, jeez! Did anyone point out Margaret Thatcher?