Man who wrote 'how-to' for pedophiles arrested .. frank mccoy better look out ...
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used against perverts like frank mccoy. The old-timers might remember
when asbl was a "how-to" group on grooming children before we
effectively destroyed it with spam and publicity.
(CNN) -- The man behind a controversial book considered a "how-to"
guide for pedophiles was arrested in Colorado, officials in Florida
said Monday.
"You cannot engage or depict children in a harmful relationship," said
Polk County, Florida, Sheriff Grady Judd as he described the Florida
obscenity statute that officials used to charge Phillip Greaves with
distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in harmful
conduct.
The self-published author was arrested in Pueblo, Colorado, on a
Florida felony warrant after undercover detectives in Polk County
purchased and received a copy of the book through the mail. He will
have to be extradited to Florida to face charges.
Judd said the book was Greaves' last copy, which he autographed before
sending out.
Greaves and his book, "The Pedophile's Guide to Love and Pleasure: A
Child-Lover's Code of Conduct," gained national attention earlier this
year after Amazon.com defended selling the book on its website despite
angry comments and threats of boycotts from thousands of users.
Author defended 'how-to' pedophilia book
'How-to' pedophilia author arrested
RELATED TOPICS
* Child Abuse
* Child Safety
* Sexual Offenses
* Florida
* Colorado
Amazon pulled the book from its site in early November.
"He actually provided a how-to guide to commit sexual battery against
children," according to Judd, who said he was shocked and mortified by
specific examples and illustrations using 9- and 13-year-old boys.
Judd said he was frustrated that Greaves' book was protected under
freedom of speech laws, even though it was created "specifically to
teach people how to sexually molest and rape children."
"There may be nothing that the other 49 states can do, but there is
something that the state of Florida can do ... to make sure we
prosecute Philip Greaves for his manifesto," Judd said.
Officials said the book talked about safe sex and avoiding injury to
children, grooming and preparing children for sex, and teaching
children how to lie to their parents.
Judd said Greaves' book outlined a "code of ethics" that showed
pedophiles how to look for the most vulnerable children.
"The message is very clear: If you write a book, if you sell that
book, if you transmit that book to anyone in our jurisdiction, then we
will investigate you and arrest, because our goal is protect the
children," the sheriff said.
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"I mean, it's not as if I'm bringing up "ass pounding" all the time,
or doing it right in front of you."~~ Deviant homosexual sodomite
Scott Allen Salberg, aka "Enos Penvy" aka "ScottyFLL" convicted
of battery in Broward County Florida and currently running from the
humiliation of being outed as a convicted VIOLENT offender to usenet.
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Now I know why they call him tiger, "Eldrick Tont Woods"?? LMAO!! .
"There are 1000 or more reasons for a person INNOCENT of child
molesting to kill themselves"~ Arrested filth-monger frank mccoy
"A victory for one pornographer is a victory for all of the human
race"--pedophile "XXX"
"I mean, it's not as if I'm bringing up "ass pounding" all the time,
or doing it right in front of you."~~ deviant homosexual sodomite
Scott Allen Salberg, convicted of battery in Broward County Florida.
Image snap of Court and Conviction Record, Scott Salberg.
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Why should I have to press one for English??? This is AMERICA
Colonel Edmund J. Burke
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Kudos to Florida for taking this deviant out. This law could also be
used against perverts like frank mccoy. The old-timers might remember
when asbl was a "how-to" group on grooming children before we
effectively destroyed it with spam and publicity.
Excellent job. My advance assault squad is performing the same action
within several groups. Our mission is to completely and totally disrupt the
normal social matrix in a show of FORCE AND AWE.
Frank McCoy
wrote:
>Kudos to Florida for taking this deviant out. This law could also be
>used against perverts like frank mccoy. The old-timers might remember
>when asbl was a "how-to" group on grooming children before we
>effectively destroyed it with spam and publicity.
>
>(CNN) -- The man behind a controversial book considered a "how-to"
>guide for pedophiles was arrested in Colorado, officials in Florida
>said Monday.
>
>"You cannot engage or depict children in a harmful relationship," said
>Polk County, Florida, Sheriff Grady Judd as he described the Florida
>obscenity statute that officials used to charge Phillip Greaves with
>distribution of obscene material depicting minors engaged in harmful
>conduct.
>
Um ... MY personal feeling is THAT law, as described by the judge, has
far less chance of passing the Supreme Court test than any of my
stuff.
I could probably list over a hundred *children's* books in any library
that depict "minors engaged in harmful conduct"; from Dickens and
Fagin teaching kids to steal, to Huckleberry Finn, smoking a pipe and
running away from a "good home".
If such a definition of what's "obscene" is let stand, then Florida
(at least) will have to purge their libraries of close to half the
classics; and remove three-quarters of the Public School Reading
material; as they contain excerpts from many such books.
Being frustrated at other people having rights under the Constitution
is one of the most common complaints of those who want to deny people
freedom to think things other than what those in-charge want them to
think, say, or do.
>"There may be nothing that the other 49 states can do, but there is
>something that the state of Florida can do ... to make sure we
>prosecute Philip Greaves for his manifesto," Judd said.
>
Like I said, prosecuting him THERE, under THAT statute (as stated,
because that's supposedly WHY he's being prosecuted there) doesn't
stand much of a chance, in my opinion, of course.
I'm NOT a lawyer; but authors have been "depicting children in harmful
relationships" since books first started being published by Gutenberg.
In fact ... I could easily pick several dozen such cases from the
Bible itself.
>Officials said the book talked about safe sex and avoiding injury to
>children, grooming and preparing children for sex, and teaching
>children how to lie to their parents.
>
>Judd said Greaves' book outlined a "code of ethics" that showed
>pedophiles how to look for the most vulnerable children.
>
>"The message is very clear: If you write a book, if you sell that
>book, if you transmit that book to anyone in our jurisdiction, then we
>will investigate you and arrest, because our goal is protect the
>children," the sheriff said.
>
And the First Amendment be damned, huh?
Personally, I think they MIGHT (in some other jurisdiction or court)
find a *reasonable* statute or definition of "obscenity" to charge him
under ... Even the same one they charged me under. But not THAT one.
Frankly, I'm amazed that a judge let THAT charge stand at all.
OTOH: Some (obviously over-zealous) people near there PASSED such a
law; so perhaps it isn't so surprising after all.
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XXX
> as=?= <usenetleg...@gmail.com> wrote: Kudos to Florida for taking
Interesting that there have been no crimes committed as a result of this
book, yet the author of The Turner Diaries (and Blob's butt buddy) was
never arrested, even though the following crimes have been tied to that
book:
The Order, an early 1980s white supremacist group involved in murder,
robberies and counterfeiting, was named after the group in the book and
motivated by the book's scenarios for a race war. The group committed one
of the biggest highway robberies of all time, then murdered radio host Alan
Berg and engaged in other acts of violence in order to hasten the race war
described in the book.
John William King, a former prison-rape victim, was convicted of dragging
James Byrd, an African-American, to his death in Jasper, Texas in 1998. As
King shackled Byrd's legs to the back of his truck he was reported to have
said, "We're going to start The Turner Diaries early."
During the course of a federal trial relating to charges of conspiracy to
violate civil rights and assault under color of law of Frank Jude, Jr. in
2004 by several off-duty police officers in Milwaukee, Wisconsin, a copy of
The Turner Diaries was found during a search of the home of one of the
officers charged and later convicted.
A copy of The Turner Diaries was found (amidst other Neo-Nazi propaganda)
in the home of Jacob D. Robida, who attacked 3 men at a gay bar with a
hatchet and a gun. Robida fled, killing a hostage and a police officer
before committing suicide.
David Copeland, a British Neo-Nazi who killed three people in a bombing
campaign against London's black, Asian and gay communities in April 1999,
quoted from The Turner Diaries while being interviewed by police.
Photocopies taken from The Turner Diaries were reportedly found alongside
Timothy McVeigh when he was arrested in a traffic stop following the
Oklahoma City bombings in 1995.
XXX
Of course you are! You and Blobby are going to take 'em down!!!
XXX
Well, you know that blobby will be up for an ol' fashion book burnin'!
rdodger
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Apparently, if the reference I turned up is right, the statute applies
to "obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to
minors", hence a two-factor test. It's hard to tell with newspaper
reporting whether the two areas (obscenity and depiction of harmful
conduct) are conflated or actually bound together. Anyway, judges in
the South generally let the sheriffs file any charge they want and
pass the buck to the grand and petit jury to sort out whether it's
justified or supportable.
The relevant points according to the Sheriff's office, are that the
book "contains two graphic stories depicting an adult engaged in sex
acts with children. … The book also defends, advocates, and trains
adults regarding illegal sex acts between adults and children." (Note
that we won't know for some time which specifics are being used to
support the warrant.)
Once you'd assume that Miller dismisses the first part, but our
feckless sheep in Washington have attempted out outlaw even the
thought of such things, much less their fictional representation. As
to the second half of the description, you can probably get a
conviction in the South for "defending or advocating" because as we
all know, the First Amendment only applies to "correct thought".
Winston Smith would understand.
RD
Frank McCoy
>Apparently, if the reference I turned up is right, the statute applies
>to "obscene material depicting minors engaged in conduct harmful to
>minors", hence a two-factor test. It's hard to tell with newspaper
>reporting whether the two areas (obscenity and depiction of harmful
>conduct) are conflated or actually bound together. Anyway, judges in
>the South generally let the sheriffs file any charge they want and
>pass the buck to the grand and petit jury to sort out whether it's
>justified or supportable.
>
Not exactly.
The Grand Jury is *NOT* instructed as to the actual law, except to
quote the law supposedly violated.
In a case like this, they're merely asked:
"Does there seem to be a case that the defendant did this thing."
"Does this material seem 'obscene' to you."
The DA is allowed to present any and all evidence (and leave OUT any
and all evidence) he/she wishes to show there's the *possibility* of a
case worth bringing to trial.
The defendant (and his lawyers) are not allowed to present ANY
evidence contrary; and often aren't even notified about Grand Jury
proceedings until the person is formally charged.
Jurisdictionally issues, whether the law is pertinent, whether the law
is legal, whether the law even *applies*, and all other such things
are wrang out in pretrial-motions and (if it ever gets there) the
trial itself.
The Grand Jury only decides if there's any reasonable *possibility*
that the DA has a case that isn't frivolous. It's there, supposedly
to protect people from frivolous or spiteful lawsuits; but in most
cases a Grand Jury is merely a rubber-stamp for the Prosecuting
Attorney.
Of course, a GJ *might* decide this case was frivolous; but in an area
that passed a law with that particular wording ....
>The relevant points according to the Sheriff's office, are that the
>book "contains two graphic stories depicting an adult engaged in sex
>acts with children. … The book also defends, advocates, and trains
>adults regarding illegal sex acts between adults and children." (Note
>that we won't know for some time which specifics are being used to
>support the warrant.)
>
>Once you'd assume that Miller dismisses the first part, but our
>feckless sheep in Washington have attempted out outlaw even the
>thought of such things, much less their fictional representation. As
>to the second half of the description, you can probably get a
>conviction in the South for "defending or advocating" because as we
>all know, the First Amendment only applies to "correct thought".
>Winston Smith would understand.
>
>RD
Actually, all "obscenity" charges ARE based on the idea that nasty or
evil thoughts are something the Community needs to be protected from.
Obscenity, practically by definition, is a sin.
Thus what's "obscene" (and a sin) to you and your religion, could
likely be a belly-laugh and a joke to me and mine.
Thus also the "Community Standards" test, where outside people aren't
allowed to pervert and disgust the locals by publishing material that
the local religious community doesn't agree with.
(That's ONE reason why "Freedom of Religion" is part-and-parcel of the
First Amendment. Only many people think that means freedom from any
outside religion being allowed in THEIR community.)