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Dreamstalker

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Feb 23, 2003, 2:49:36 PM2/23/03
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Most of the DVDs I own have the menu screen at the very beginning, but
recently I purchased two anime DVDs--Serial Experiments Lain (great
strange anime, BTW) and Ghost In The Shell. The menus are not at the
beginning of the disc, and I have to wait until the movie starts if I
want to change language, etc. A bit annoying as it starts over again
once I make the change. I've tried both discs on three different
players with the same result. Contacting the distributors about this
has yielded nothing. It would seem a good idea to have the menu on
the start of the disc. I can access it, but I have to do it from the
middle of the thing which is annoying. Has anyone else come across
this (menu accessible from the movie itself but not at the beginning
of the disc)?

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Feb 23, 2003, 7:15:34 PM2/23/03
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>From: Dreamstalker ista...@csf.edu

> I can access it, but I have to do it from the
>middle of the thing which is annoying. Has anyone else come across
>this (menu accessible from the movie itself but not at the beginning
>of the disc)?
>

Yeah. If you pop in Lethal Weapon, it starts right away. But one of the buttons
IS marked menu and I can go right to it that way.
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Fox Godfrey

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Feb 24, 2003, 3:27:21 AM2/24/03
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Sorry, I am still back in the Dark Ages of... (horrified
whisper)......videotape.

"Dreamstalker" <ista...@csf.edu> wrote in message
>snip<

Matthew Russotto

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Feb 24, 2003, 11:46:18 AM2/24/03
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In article <3E5925D0...@csf.edu>,

Dreamstalker <ista...@csf.edu> wrote:
>Most of the DVDs I own have the menu screen at the very beginning, but
>recently I purchased two anime DVDs--Serial Experiments Lain (great
>strange anime, BTW) and Ghost In The Shell. The menus are not at the
>beginning of the disc, and I have to wait until the movie starts if I
>want to change language, etc. A bit annoying as it starts over again
>once I make the change. I've tried both discs on three different
>players with the same result. Contacting the distributors about this
>has yielded nothing. It would seem a good idea to have the menu on
>the start of the disc. I can access it, but I have to do it from the
>middle of the thing which is annoying. Has anyone else come across
>this (menu accessible from the movie itself but not at the beginning
>of the disc)?

Search the net to see if your DVD player can be modified to ignore PUO
-- prohibited user operations. Then you can push the Menu key from
the very beginning. If the DVDs are in DVD-5 or DVD-10 format, you
can copy them with a computer DVD burner and disable PUOs while you're
at it. Unfortunately most DVDs are DVD-9 or other formats which can't
be handled with DVD-R.
--
Matthew T. Russotto mrus...@speakeasy.net
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of justice is no virtue." But extreme restriction of liberty in pursuit of
a modicum of security is a very expensive vice.

Gunner

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Feb 24, 2003, 2:32:45 PM2/24/03
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Fox Godfrey wrote:

I can relate...

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Fox Godfrey

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Feb 24, 2003, 5:21:07 PM2/24/03
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Although, with prices as low as they have become on DVD players, I guess I
will upgrade. If forced to. At wifepoint.

Actually, don't be misled. I love high-tech gadgets. It's just that money
comes in small and limited quantities, and tools for making implements of
medieval mayhem are a wee bit higher on my budgetary list o' priorities
than on my wifes list.

-Salem


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> > >snip<<<

Sencenich

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Feb 24, 2003, 6:37:09 PM2/24/03
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 13:32:45 -0600, Gunner <gunn...@sympatico.ca>
Spoketh Unto us:

>
>
>Fox Godfrey wrote:
>
>> Sorry, I am still back in the Dark Ages of... (horrified
>> whisper)......videotape.
>>
>> "Dreamstalker" <ista...@csf.edu> wrote in message
>> >snip<
>> > middle of the thing which is annoying. Has anyone else come across
>> > this (menu accessible from the movie itself but not at the beginning
>> > of the disc)?
>> >
>> >
>
>I can relate...

Video Tape? Whats that?

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Ron Harney

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Feb 24, 2003, 7:05:53 PM2/24/03
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"Fox Godfrey" <salemw...@earthlink.net> wrote in message
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> Although, with prices as low as they have become on DVD players, I
guess I
> will upgrade. If forced to. At wifepoint.
>
> Actually, don't be misled. I love high-tech gadgets. It's just
that money
> comes in small and limited quantities, and tools for making
implements of
> medieval mayhem are a wee bit higher on my budgetary list o'
priorities
> than on my wifes list.

Jeanne and I bought our nieces and nephews DVD players for XMas
this year.... $45 US, and they are still out there if you shop around.
IIRC, the brand name was Mintek, and we bought them at Best Buy. I
know Apex makes a low budget unit, available at Walmart for around $65
US, and several other chain stores carry them for about the same price
(Sears does, and I believe Circuit City has them as well).

On another note, I don't make medieval terror toys...... unless
one counts the bright yellow rip-stop tunic and pastel plaid trousers
of my "Hangover Revenge" outfit that I wore at Pennsic a couple of
years ago. Got several death threat for that one. <G>

Ron (yeah, cheap players, but the kids are 5 to 12 years old, they
don't need Uncle Ron to go broke buying them toys just so they can
watch Shrek and Harry Potter :>)
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Indiana Joe

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Feb 24, 2003, 8:07:47 PM2/24/03
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In article <b3ec1...@enews2.newsguy.com>, Ron Harney
<ro...@your.clothes.parrotfantasy.com> wrote:

> Jeanne and I bought our nieces and nephews DVD players for XMas
> this year.... $45 US, and they are still out there if you shop around.
> IIRC, the brand name was Mintek, and we bought them at Best Buy. I
> know Apex makes a low budget unit, available at Walmart for around $65
> US, and several other chain stores carry them for about the same price

Many of the lower-priced DVD players can be "hacked" to have them
ignore region codes or Macrovision encoding. Try looking at
<http://www.dvdrhelp.com/> for more info on particular models.

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Louis ADkins

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Feb 25, 2003, 12:25:41 AM2/25/03
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<snip>
> > > middle of the thing which is annoying. Has anyone else come across
> > > this (menu accessible from the movie itself but not at the beginning
> > > of the disc)?
<snip>

It all depends on how they set up the DVD. Usually (not always,
though) this is a sign of a low budget for the development of the DVD
version of the movie. (YMMV, of course) - I have ran into this on a
couple disks, usually the ones I paid less than 9 dollars US for.

-Louis Adkins

Werehatrack

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Feb 25, 2003, 12:17:02 AM2/25/03
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 10:46:18 -0600, russ...@grace.speakeasy.net
(Matthew Russotto) may have said:

> Unfortunately most DVDs are DVD-9 or other formats which can't
>be handled with DVD-R.

And, as has been getting more obvious every day, some DVD players
can't read a DVD-R properly in any event. This seems to be a heavily
YMMV situation, though. I've seen some DVD-R's of the a given brand
read just fine in the Daewoo 5700 when recorded with one burner, and
fail either from the beginning or partway through when burned with a
different drive or softare package...but a different brand of blank
DVD-R will sometimes work OK in the Daewoo when burned by the same
drive and software as the one that was troublesome. I've concluded
that the DVD-R disc and drive technology is apparently far from
mature; I'm still hearing reports of cross-drive incompatibility
regardless of the disc used, much the same as CDR was often
cross-drive incompatible in the early days of that technology.

Dreamstalker

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Feb 25, 2003, 2:58:09 PM2/25/03
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I got a reply from the manufacturer of one of the DVDs, and they said that it is indeed a defect (these are high-quality anime DVDs).  I can't return it to the store I actually bought it from, as I no longer have the receipt and the store is back on the East Coast.  Can I just return it to any store that carries that DVD and say I received it as a gift and found the disc to be defective?  I tried it once, and the lackey I dealt with was under the impression that DVDs could never be defective...

-Louis Adkins
  

Denny Wheeler

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Feb 25, 2003, 3:32:34 PM2/25/03
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On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:21:07 GMT, "Fox Godfrey"
<salemw...@earthlink.net> wrote:

>Actually, don't be misled. I love high-tech gadgets. It's just that money
>comes in small and limited quantities, and tools for making implements of
>medieval mayhem are a wee bit higher on my budgetary list o' priorities

We should introduce Salem to our favorite bear. Who, I note, hasn't
been in The Place for a long time. Ping Warin or Catchild!
(for Salem: Warin makes armor)
(including chainmail bikinis)
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Lee S. Billings

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Feb 25, 2003, 5:49:07 PM2/25/03
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In article <dgkn5vs792infsvu9...@4ax.com>,
den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID says...

>
>On Mon, 24 Feb 2003 22:21:07 GMT, "Fox Godfrey"
><salemw...@earthlink.net> wrote:
>
>>Actually, don't be misled. I love high-tech gadgets. It's just that money
>>comes in small and limited quantities, and tools for making implements of
>>medieval mayhem are a wee bit higher on my budgetary list o' priorities
>
>We should introduce Salem to our favorite bear. Who, I note, hasn't
>been in The Place for a long time. Ping Warin or Catchild!
>(for Salem: Warin makes armor)
>(including chainmail bikinis)

They're living in the backside of beyond, with no Internet access to speak of.
I think Naomi occasionally posts from the local library. My primary contact
with them at this point is by telephone. I'll mention you were asking after
them when next I call.

Celine

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Fox Godfrey

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Feb 25, 2003, 5:57:09 PM2/25/03
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Thank you, all. Chain mail bikinis, huh? I used to do those.
Unfortunately, ever since I moved back up to WA afew years ago, I haven't
had much market demand. Weather? Prudishness? Ah, well.

Always interested in talking to other blademakers. Feel free to pass along
my E-mail addy.

Salem-

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Denny Wheeler

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Feb 26, 2003, 5:19:19 AM2/26/03
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On 25 Feb 2003 22:49:07 GMT, stard...@mindspring.com (Lee S.
Billings) wrote:

>>We should introduce Salem to our favorite bear. Who, I note, hasn't
>>been in The Place for a long time. Ping Warin or Catchild!
>>(for Salem: Warin makes armor)
>>(including chainmail bikinis)
>
>They're living in the backside of beyond, with no Internet access to speak of.
>I think Naomi occasionally posts from the local library. My primary contact
>with them at this point is by telephone. I'll mention you were asking after
>them when next I call.

Yeah, it's only been Naomi whose posted anything. I'm glad she
does--but it'd be good to hear from the rest.
Do say 'hi' for me when you call. (as if any of 'em will recognize my
name)

Denny Wheeler

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Mar 1, 2003, 11:48:29 PM3/1/03
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On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:58:09 -0700, Dreamstalker <ista...@csf.edu>
wrote:

>I got a reply from the manufacturer of one of the DVDs, and they said
>that it is indeed a defect (these are high-quality anime DVDs). I can't
>return it to the store I actually bought it from, as I no longer have
>the receipt and the store is back on the East Coast. Can I just return
>it to any store that carries that DVD and say I received it as a gift
>and found the disc to be defective? I tried it once, and the lackey I
>dealt with was under the impression that DVDs could never be defective...

Is the reply from the mfr on paper? Preferably their letterhead?
I'd think you could get it exchanged with that.
Else you'll need to find a clueful store-person.

Dreamstalker

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Mar 2, 2003, 10:47:43 PM3/2/03
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Denny Wheeler wrote:

>On Tue, 25 Feb 2003 12:58:09 -0700, Dreamstalker <ista...@csf.edu>
>wrote:
>
>
>>I got a reply from the manufacturer of one of the DVDs, and they said
>>that it is indeed a defect (these are high-quality anime DVDs). I can't
>>return it to the store I actually bought it from, as I no longer have
>>the receipt and the store is back on the East Coast. Can I just return
>>it to any store that carries that DVD and say I received it as a gift
>>and found the disc to be defective? I tried it once, and the lackey I
>>dealt with was under the impression that DVDs could never be defective...
>>
>
>Is the reply from the mfr on paper? Preferably their letterhead?
>I'd think you could get it exchanged with that.
>

It's an email from the webmaster of Pioneer Animation. Would that help?
Probably not...

>Else you'll need to find a clueful store-person.
>

Over spring break (next week--YAY) I plan to take both the DVDs down to
the video/electronics stores in Albuquerque, where there are probably
more clueful people.

Denny Wheeler

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Mar 3, 2003, 6:00:56 AM3/3/03
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On Sun, 02 Mar 2003 20:47:43 -0700, Dreamstalker <ista...@csf.edu>
wrote:

I'd make a hard-copy of the email and take it with. Can't hurt.

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