Re: Exposure to Pornography as a Cause of Child Sexual Victimization
Frank McCoy
>a...@if.com wrote:
>> Exposure to Pornography as a Cause of Child Sexual Victimization
>>
>> http://www.dianarussell.com/chapter.html
>>
>> Belief in such myths undermines some men? internal inhibitions
>> against victimizing children
>>
>> Undermining the Prohibition Against Adult?hild Sex/Victimization
>>
>> Although legal ages of consent vary in different countries,
>> adult?hild sex is proscribed in most countries today.
>>
>> Despite the prohibition in the United States, there are massive
>> numbers of child pornography Web sites that promote adult?child
>> sexual victimization through photographs, videos, or written stories.
>>
>> For example, an incest Web site titled ?olden Incest Sites!?lists 50
>> titles (www.incestgold. com/indes.php, June 6, 2002). The pictures,
>> stories, videos, and other material it makes accessible to interested
>> Internet surfers can serve as highly suggestive models for viewers who
>> may never before have thought of their daughters, sons, nieces,
>> nephews, and other younger relatives in a sexual way.
>>
>> The ubiquity of incest pornography also conveys the popularity of
>> such images, suggesting that large numbers of men must experience such
>> desires.
>>
>> The prevalence of child pornography sites, their content, and their
>> positive portrayals of adult?hild sexual abuse all serve to diminish
>> the deviant nature of incestuous and extrafamilial child sexual abuse.
>> This in turn enhances the likelihood that some men? internal
>> inhibitions against acting out incestuous and extrafamilial child
>> sexual victimization will be undermined.
>>
>> It is also important to note two other ways in which the prohibition
>> against adult?hild sex is undermined by child pornography. First, the
>> inclusion of many child pornography cartoons in mainstream men?
>> magazines like Playboy and Penthouse communicates its social
>> acceptability. Second, the boards on various sites allow visitors to
>> form their own subcultural communities in which such behaviors or
>> desires are not considered deviant and where pedophiles and others
>> interested in child pornography can feel more normal. (Both of these
>> points will be discussed later in greater detail.)
>>
>> 3. By Minimizing or Trivializing the Harm of Adult?hild Sex/
>> Victimization (e.g., By Masking Child Victims?Pain and Trauma)
>>
>> Masking child victims?pain and trauma is a major way in which the
>> prohibition against child sexual abuse is undermined. A pedophile
>> called Stewart describes how he masked victims?pain when he
>> photographed young girls:
>>
>> They couldn? show fear or doubt in the pictures. They had to show
>> happiness or love. . . . To get that look, I? give them something,
>> from tricycles to stereos. It depended on what they wanted. You have
>> to be able to express [evoke] excitement in the pictures. (Campagna &
>> Poffenberger, 1988, p. 126)
>>
>> British journalist Davies (1994) describes ? video of a ?irl with
>> her wrists and ankles chained to an iron bar in the ceiling and a
>> grotesque dildo hanging out of her?(cited by Itzin, 1996, p. 185).
>> ?he pornographer who was showing the video pointed to the girl?
>> smile as evidence of her consent?(Itzin, 1996, p. 185). The smile
>> also suggests that she enjoys being tortured in this fashion.
>>
>> Linz and Imrich (2001) note that:
>>
>> Potential molesters who watch child sex depictions that supposedly had
>> positive consequences for the victim may come to think that the victim
>> does not suffer and may believe that a larger percentage of children
>> would find forced sex pleasurable. (p. 91)
>>
>> The evidence cited above confirms that masking the pain and trauma of
>> child pornography victims undermines the internal inhibitions of some
>> males who desire to sexually abuse children.
>>
>> 4. By Creating and/or Reinforcing Myths About Child Sexuality and/or
>> Adult?hild Sex/Victimization
>>
>> Joseph LoPiccolo (1994) emphasizes that ?ost sex offenders have a
>> variety of distorted cognitive beliefs that are intimately related to
>> their deviant behavior?(LoPiccolo, personal communication, September
>> 16, 2005. See LoPiccolo, 1994, for examples of these distorted
>> cognitive beliefs). These ?lase belief-systems?(Itzin, 1996, p. 170)
>> or myths can be created and reinforced when males view child
>> pornography. For example, child pornography can convince males who
>> sexually desire children ?hat the feelings and desires they have
>> towards children are not wrong?(Tate, 1990, p. 110).
>>
>> Following are nine other examples of distorted cognitions or myths
>> commonly held by pedophiles:
>>
>> 1. There? nothing wrong with adult?hild sex as long as children
>> consent to it.
>> 2. If children behave seductively toward adults, it means ?hey?e
>> asking for it.?
>> 3. Men who love children have sex with them to teach them about sex in
>> a positive, caring, emotional context.
>> 4. Having sex with kids is good sex education for them, to prevent
>> them from having sexual problems as adults.
>> 5. Since children are sexual beings with the capacity to enjoy sexual
>> stimulation, it? fine for an adult to provide them with this
>> enjoyment.
>> 6. Children who don? tell anyone about being molested, can? be upset
>> or bothered about it.
>> 7. If children didn? want to have sex with adults, they would react
>> by crying, fighting, screaming, and resisting.
>> 8. When children initiate sex with adults or allow themselves to be
>> repeatedly molested by adults, it shows that they enjoy having sex
>> with them.
>> 9. Sex between adult males and children is harmless unless force is
>> involved.
>>
>> Belief in these myths undermines internal inhibitions against acting
>> out the desire to sexually abuse children. For example, Jenkins (2001)
>> notes that many pedophiles justify their sexual behavior with children
>> by claiming that children ?onsented to the actions,?or directly
>> sought sexual contact with their perpetrators (p. 117). These
>> pedophiles consider such experiences to be ?onsensual. Even if the
>> child is three or five, she was still asking for it?(Jenkins, 2001,
>> p. 117). Jenkins also maintains that ?l]inked to this is the denial
>> of injury, since the sexual activity is seen as rewarding and even
>> educational for the child, rather than selfish or exploitative?
>> (p.117). As Kelly, Wingfield, and Regan (1995) observe, child
>> pornography ?nables them [perpetrators] to construct a different
>> version of reality?(p. 34) in which it is possible for them to
>> believe ?hat both their sexual and non-sexual needs are being met
>> without hurting the child?(Wyre, 1990, pp. 284?85).
>>
>> The fantasy pedophilic stories on the Internet, the testimonies of
>> pedophiles, the descriptions of child pornography in mainstream men?
>> magazines, and the descriptions of child pornography on the Internet
>> reinforce the myths common believed by pedophiles. Belief in such
>> myths undermines some men? internal inhibitions against victimizing
>> children
>
>And where is the data? These are all opinions, but no data to back it up.
Well, if you want real DATA ....
http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf
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"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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> In alt.fan.frank.mccoy xxxxxx...@hotmail.com
Frank, I'm getting a bit annoyed. Why did you post the "Exposure to
Pornography..." reply to Callahans? I have Brandon killfiled, but not
you...would you please consider not replying, or not replying to a.c. at
least? I do *not* want to killfile you, but I'm tired of seeing stuff that I
only see when you reply to it.
Desideria
Denny Wheeler
Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
run into a filter.
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Desideria
"Denny Wheeler" <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID> wrote in message
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> On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:19:57 -0800, "Desideria"
> <deside...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
>>news:bnn2o3h64efmbuk95...@4ax.com...
>>> In alt.fan.frank.mccoy xxxxxx...@hotmail.com
>>
>>Frank, I'm getting a bit annoyed. Why did you post the "Exposure to
>>Pornography..." reply to Callahans? I have Brandon killfiled, but not
>>you...would you please consider not replying, or not replying to a.c. at
>>least? I do *not* want to killfile you, but I'm tired of seeing stuff that
>>I
>>only see when you reply to it.
>>
>>Desideria
>
> Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
> run into a filter.
It was crossposted, which is why you didn't see it. You know that my filter
doesn't select for crossposts specifically.
Desideria
Frank McCoy
wrote:
>On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:19:57 -0800, "Desideria"
><deside...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>
>>"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
>>news:bnn2o3h64efmbuk95...@4ax.com...
>>> In alt.fan.frank.mccoy xxxxxx...@hotmail.com
>>
>>Frank, I'm getting a bit annoyed. Why did you post the "Exposure to
>>Pornography..." reply to Callahans? I have Brandon killfiled, but not
>>you...would you please consider not replying, or not replying to a.c. at
>>least? I do *not* want to killfile you, but I'm tired of seeing stuff that I
>>only see when you reply to it.
>>
>>Desideria
>
>Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
>run into a filter.
It seems somebody took my trimmed-headers copy, and reposted it as me.
Not only THAT; but they ADDED about three more newsgroups!
Desideria
Now that's interesting. I apologize for assuming you'd done it, but you are
famous for both replying to trolls and for crossposting.
{{{Frank}}}
Desideria
Denny Wheeler
<deside...@gmail.com> wrote:
>> Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
>> run into a filter.
>
>It was crossposted, which is why you didn't see it. You know that my filter
>doesn't select for crossposts specifically.
Unfortunately, my anti-crosspost filter seems to only stop a small
percentage of the crossposted articles. Don't quite know why.
Denny Wheeler
wrote:
>>Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
>>run into a filter.
>
>It seems somebody took my trimmed-headers copy, and reposted it as me.
>Not only THAT; but they ADDED about three more newsgroups!
Ahh. The old spoofers. That may be why it filtered away.
Frank McCoy
>
>"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
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>> In alt.callahans Denny Wheeler <den...@TANSTAAFL.zipcon.net.INVALID>
>> wrote:
>>
>>>On Sun, 6 Jan 2008 15:19:57 -0800, "Desideria"
>>><deside...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>>>
>>>>"Frank McCoy" <mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote in message
>>>>news:bnn2o3h64efmbuk95...@4ax.com...
>>>>> In alt.fan.frank.mccoy xxxxxx...@hotmail.com
>>>>
>>>>Frank, I'm getting a bit annoyed. Why did you post the "Exposure to
>>>>Pornography..." reply to Callahans? I have Brandon killfiled, but not
>>>>you...would you please consider not replying, or not replying to a.c. at
>>>>least? I do *not* want to killfile you, but I'm tired of seeing stuff
>>>>that I
>>>>only see when you reply to it.
>>>>
>>>>Desideria
>>>
>>>Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
>>>run into a filter.
>>
>> It seems somebody took my trimmed-headers copy, and reposted it as me.
>> Not only THAT; but they ADDED about three more newsgroups!
>
>Now that's interesting. I apologize for assuming you'd done it, but you are
>famous for both replying to trolls and for crossposting.
>
I *don't* cross-post!
I *do* often reply to a cross-post; and forget to trim the headers.
(I just did that on another post ... Remembered to trim *after* I hit
send.) ;-{
The times I actually initiated a true cross-post with this group
included can be counted on the fingers of one hand. And *then* it was
definitely of interest to both groups.
I *do* cross-post my sex-stories to several groups; all sex-stories
groups where they're on-topic. But there, one post instead of several
posts to each separate group makes sense.
>{{{Frank}}}
>
>Desideria
Desideria
And that's what I was referring to. I didn't mean that you initiate
crossposts, but that when you reply to crossposts you tend to leave all the
groups in the reply.
Desideria
Ree
when I send an email and forget to attach the thing that is the whole
point of sending the email. If I write the message first, I get
distracted and don't remember to do the attachment, whereas if I attach
first, then write the message, it works every time. Have you tried
switching the order you do it in to see if it helps?
Ree
> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:17:29 -0600, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
> wrote:
>
>>> Odd. I can't find any message of this nature in my file. Must have
>>> run into a filter.
>> It seems somebody took my trimmed-headers copy, and reposted it as me.
>> Not only THAT; but they ADDED about three more newsgroups!
>
> Ahh. The old spoofers. That may be why it filtered away.
>
Wish I could do that.
ThePsyko
XXX cry out in news:20080107175310.580$4...@newsreader.com...
> a...@if.com wrote:
>> On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 20:09:45 -0600, Frank McCoy <mcc...@millcomm.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> >In alt.fan.frank.mccoy Brandon D Cartwright <us...@example.net>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>On Sun, 06 Jan 2008 17:06:48 -0600, Frank McCoy
>> >><mcc...@millcomm.com> wrote:
>> >>
>> >>>>And where is the data? These are all opinions, but no data to
>> >>>>back it up.
>> >>>
>> >>>Well, if you want real DATA ....
>> >>>http://www.ipce.info/library_3/rbt/metaana.pdf
>> >>
>> >>If by *real* you mean trawling through other folk's studies and
>> >>re-interpreting them as an apologia for child molesters..I guess so
>> >>
>> >If you *read* the actual report itself, that's NOT what it says.
>> >(Though I'll admit many people *think* so, from what anti-sex people
>> >say.)
>> >Check the data and the evaluation method yourself.
>> >(Or is that too much to ask? You're somebody else's mouthpiece?)
>> >
>> >>but thanks for outing yourself..
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>http://www.ipce.info/
>> >>
>> >>Ipce is a forum for people who are engaged in scholarly discussion
>> >>about the understanding and emancipation of mutual relationships
>> >>between children or adolescents and adults.
>> >>
>> >>http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pro-pedophile_activism
>> >>
>> >
>> >So ... OK, I never checked which site hosted the most accessed copy.
>> >
>> >http://www.csulb.edu/~asc/child.html
>> >http://eng.anarchopedia.org/Rind_Report
>> >http://findarticles.com/p/articles/mi_m2843/is_4_25/ai_76881182/pg_1
>> >
>> >It's almost impossible to find the original report in a website that
>> >doesn't have an axe to grind.
>> >
>> >Those who oppose or deny the data, of course don't want you to SEE
>> >the original report and draw your own opinion.
>> >
>> >OTOH, those who *do* want you to read the report, as you point out,
>> >generally have their own axes to grind; and are hosting the complete
>> >report only because of those axes.
>> >
>> >Still, I say don't listen to either one:
>> >READ the report yourself.
>> >Check the data; and remember it *was* peer-reviewed.
>>
>> For which the APA was bitterly condemned
>
> Wow, you mean just like Galileo and Copernicus? You fucked up
> "Christians" have always tried to silence science. Jesus Tap-Dancing
> Christ! I wish someone would line you all up and mow down your
> ignorant asses with a machine gun!!!
>
aww how cute... poor widdle pedo is angwy!
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Denny Wheeler
Um. Which "that", Ree? Filter crossposts? You can, certainly.
Perhaps you'd need to either use a different newsreader or some
additional software. All of what I have in mind is freeware.
<looks at Ree's headers>
Ok, Thunderbird. Excellent email program. (I would say that, after
all, it's what I use for email) Not really intended to be a
full-featured newsreader, but I'm sure you're comfortable with it.
There are two pieces of free software that I know about (meaning there
well may be more) which give the user extreme filtering capability.
One of them is nFilter--I gather that it's a bit iffy with XP.
(and I've never used it)
Another is Hamster--which I do use, and which to my own knowledge
works just fine under XP (or Win2K or Win 98, 98SE, and probably NT).
There is a learning curve involved.
Both nfilter and Hamster use regular expressions for their
filtering--that's a large part of their strength, but it's also a
piece of the learning curve.
Ree
Well I tried googling (goggling?) for Hamster and the one that looked
right was from SpamPal but it seemed to think I wanted to put it on a
server....umm...nope. So I'm not sure if that is the right one or not.
BTW, what are "regular expressions" in this context? I could try for
nfilter I suppose as I'm running 2k currently.
Just getting sick of wading through the trash.
Ree.
Rhonda Lea Kirk
There are some newsgroups (hamster.en.*) and help pages scattered around
the web (see links, also see the Hamster help file).
Good luck.
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Denny Wheeler
>> Another is Hamster--which I do use, and which to my own knowledge
>> works just fine under XP (or Win2K or Win 98, 98SE, and probably NT).
>>
>> There is a learning curve involved.
>>
>> Both nfilter and Hamster use regular expressions for their
>> filtering--that's a large part of their strength, but it's also a
>> piece of the learning curve.
>>
>>
>
>Well I tried googling (goggling?) for Hamster and the one that looked
>right was from SpamPal but it seemed to think I wanted to put it on a
>server....umm...nope. So I'm not sure if that is the right one or not.
>
>BTW, what are "regular expressions" in this context? I could try for
>nfilter I suppose as I'm running 2k currently.
>
>Just getting sick of wading through the trash.
Hamster effectively becomes your personal news-server. You read from
it, with a news client--Agent, Thunderbird, whatever. Hamster reads
the posts from the news server(s) you point it to. In my case, I use
5, 3 of them free, one that comes with my ISP (Comcast, which has a
deal with Giganews), and Newsguy, just because I like Newsguy and
$40/year is very worth it. Hm. You might look into Newsguy
yourself--I believe they spamfilter their feed, and they may well
filter the sporge.
You can get more info on Hamster (the new version, known as Hamster
Playground) here: http://www.elbiah.de/hamster/pg/index.htm
Page is in German and English--Hamster's developer is German.
Ree
Thank you very much!
Ree.
Ree
Thanks Denny!
Ree.
Denny Wheeler
(actually, this was earlier)
>>> BTW, what are "regular expressions" in this context? I could try for
>>> nfilter I suppose as I'm running 2k currently.
I'm not by any means the best person to answer that. But let me take
a swing.
...
Actually, I won't. But I will point you to some answers:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regular_expression
Yes, I know, Wikipedia's often biased and/or full of it. In this
case, the entry looks pretty good to me.
Here's the result of a Google search:
http://www.google.com/search?source=ig&hl=en&rlz=&q=%22regular+expression%22&btnG=Google+Search
Lots of info. I think I'll delve further into the world of regular
expressions to see if I can improve my filtering in Hamster.
Baal
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On Sunday 06 January 2008 22:04, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
in Message-ID: <co43o3hugaljtnj2c...@4ax.com>,
Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
[snip]
> For which the APA was bitterly condemned and it is quite clear that Dr
> Fowler was unaware that Rind and Bauserman *WERE*
> active pedophiles campaigning for the legalization of Kiddie fucking.
On Monday 07 January 2008 02:06, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
in Message-ID: <tmh3o3hvl4fklpp19...@4ax.com>,
Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
[snip]
> You gloss over the fact that the authors were pedophiles who published
> their secondary research in a pedophile activist journal;.
Are you willing to stand behind your /libellous/ words, Brandon?
I invite you to post your real contact information--for purposes of legal
service. I will forward that to Drs. Rind, Bauserman et al. along with
unexpurgated copies of the posts in which you accuse them of being
pedophiles.
This is, after all, an _international_ forum, with posts being accessible
throughout the English-speaking world. The libel laws of Canada and the
United Kingdom are quite harsh, to name just two jurisdictions.
Baal <Ba...@Usenet.org>
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On Sunday 06 January 2008 22:04, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
in Message-ID: <co43o3hugaljtnj2c...@4ax.com>,
Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
[snip]
> For which the APA was bitterly condemned and it is quite clear that Dr
> Fowler was unaware that Rind and Bauserman *WERE*
> active pedophiles campaigning for the legalization of Kiddie fucking.
On Monday 07 January 2008 02:06, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
in Message-ID: <tmh3o3hvl4fklpp19...@4ax.com>,
Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
[snip]
> You gloss over the fact that the authors were pedophiles who published
> their secondary research in a pedophile activist journal;.
> No...pedophiles *produced it* for a pedophile activist journal.
> It is not the only "study" they produced to sing the praises of
> sodomizing children was it?
Brandon, I think you've really gone beyond the pale, here. It's one
thing to sling barbs and hurl epithets in here at pseudonymous identities
(such as mine); it's quite another to make libellous statements about
real-life people.
Are you willing to stand behind your libellous words, Brandon? Are you
prepared to back them up with evidence in a court of law?
I challenge you to post your real contact information--for purposes of
legal service. I will forward that to Drs. Rind, Bauserman et al. along
with unexpurgated copies of the posts in which you accuse them of being
pedophiles.
This is, after all, an _international_ forum, with posts being accessible
throughout the English-speaking world. The libel laws of Canada and the
United Kingdom are quite harsh, to name just two jurisdictions.
Baal <Ba...@Usenet.org>
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On Friday 11 January 2008 02:48, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
in Message-ID: <fe7eo3l4oc5lnoa5n...@4ax.com>,
Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
> On Wed, 9 Jan 2008 21:56:29 +0100 (CET), Baal
> <Use-Author-Supplied-Address-Header@[127.1]> wrote:
>
>>On Sunday 06 January 2008 22:04, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
>>in Message-ID: <co43o3hugaljtnj2c...@4ax.com>,
>>Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> For which the APA was bitterly condemned and it is quite clear that Dr
>>> Fowler was unaware that Rind and Bauserman *WERE*
>>> active pedophiles campaigning for the legalization of Kiddie fucking.
None of the website content you re-published proves the statement that
you made above, to wit: "...that Rind and Bauserman *WERE* active pedophiles
campaigning for the legalization of Kiddie fucking."
N.B.: The key words here are: "active pedophiles."
>>On Monday 07 January 2008 02:06, in alt.support.boy-lovers,
>>in Message-ID: <tmh3o3hvl4fklpp19...@4ax.com>,
>>Brandon D Cartwright wrote:
>>
>>[snip]
>>
>>> You gloss over the fact that the authors were pedophiles who
>>> published their secondary research in a pedophile activist journal;.
>>
>>Are you willing to stand behind your /libellous/ words, Brandon?
My challenge still stands--are you willing to stand behind your libellous
characterization of: "...Rind and Bauserman *WERE* active pedophiles
campaigning for the legalization of Kiddie fucking."?
> That it is true trumps slander libel and slander allegations in any
> jurisdiction..
That /is/ precisely the point, isn't it? If you believe your words to be
true, why not afford the men you have defamed an opportunity to contest
the issue in a court of law? Post your address for legal service. (You can
even use my PGP key if you don't wish to post it openly--my key is
included at the end of this posting.)
> http://www.leadershipcouncil.org/1/rind/bak.html
It would appear that nothing in this web page proves your allegation.
The assertion that the mere publication in a so-called 'pedophile'
publication makes them pedophiles, is about as valid a characterization
as saying that posting in alt.support.boy-lovers makes you a boy-lover.
Baal <Ba...@Usenet.org>
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R. Steve Walz
>
> On 06 Jan 2008 20:52:16 GMT, xxxxxx...@hotmail.com (XXX) wrote:
>
> Following are nine other examples of distorted cognitions or myths
> commonly held by pedophiles:
----------------------------
Those are not distorted or mythological anything.
Those are your defective and reactionary opinions.
> 1. There’s nothing wrong with adult–child sex as long as children
> consent to it.
--------------------------
Of course not, and etc.
Steve