Drive?: Illegal aliens causing ONE-FOURTH of highway fatalities
WakeU...@adelphia.net
sub-compacts illegal aliens typically drive older-model gas guzzlers
-- the bigger the better*.
Thus, when illegal aliens -- frequently *drunk* illegal aliens, that
is, drinking & driving being a deeply ingrained cultural tradition
among Mexicans in particular) crash it's often gringos in their small
cars that end up getting gruesomely killed.
(*It's well-known, for example, that the Chevy Suburban has for many
years been a favorite of illegal aliens in the US as well as Mexicans
on their native turf, and that many if not most of the Suburbans in
Mexico were actually stolen from the USA; one memorable tv news report
several years ago recounted how one U.S. citizen's stolen Suburban was
found being used by the Tijuana police department.]
But here's the kicker: these horrendous illegal alien drivers kill
both GOP corporate-ass-kissing lovers of illegal aliens AND their
pro-"multicultural" (i.e. anti-white) Democrat counterparts, so what's
not to like about it!
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Harvest of death on the Eastern Shore
Rogue vehicles driven by unlicensed drivers have been responsible for
a string of deadly accidents on the Eastern Shore. Two people were
killed and two injured when this Ford Escort driven by a Hispanic farm
worker ran a stop sign Oct. 1 in Accomack County.
By BILL BURKE
The Virginian-Pilot
October 10, 2005
The Ford Escort was racing north on rural Seaside Road, its occupants
headed home from a wedding, when it ran a stop sign at 55 mph.
The driver of a Ford F-150 traveling east through the intersection
never saw the Escort, police said.
The T-bone crash killed the driver of the Escort, Rene Leyva-Perez,
and 4-year-old Daniel Salazar, who was in the back seat. Daniel’s
pregnant mother, Marina Salazar, and the driver of the pickup were
injured.
When police arrived, they discovered that Leyva-Perez had no auto
insurance or driver’s license – only a laminated ID card issued by the
tomato-packing plant where he worked – and that the car was registered
to a woman in Chesapeake and had Michigan plates.
ACCIDENT TIMELINE:
The 13 fatal accidents involving Hispanic workers on the Eastern Shore
since 2002 have killed 18 people. In all but two incidents, the car
that caused the accident had out-of-state plates.
Aug. 19, 2002
U.S. 13: Intoxicated migrant worker hit and killed while walking
illegally on U.S. 13 at night. Plates: South Carolina.
Aug. 29, 2002
Va. 178: Car runs off road and strikes trees and pole, killing three.
Plates: Tennessee.
Nov. 4, 2002
Va. 609: Driver killed when he runs into ditch, loses control and car
overturns. Plates: Tennessee.
Feb. 3, 2003
Va. 187: Head-on collision kills two when driver blacks out and
crosses median. Plates: Virginia.
July 24, 2003
Va. 609: Driver killed when vehicle runs off road and overturns.
Plates: Florida.
Aug. 31, 2003
U.S. 13: Car with three occupants overturns, killing one; driver
flees. Plates: Virginia.
Oct. 9, 2003
U.S. 13 (Business): Driver killed when he loses control of car,
strikes tree then utility pole. Plates: Tennessee.
Nov. 2, 2003
U.S. 13: Driver killed when car runs off road at high speed and flips
end-over-end five times. Plates: Tennessee.
Dec. 20, 2003
U.S. 13: Head-on collision involving two cars with migrant workers;
driver of one dies the next day in Charlotte, N.C. Plates: North
Carolina.
Dec. 24, 2003
U.S. 13: A head-on collision killed Debbie Thomas, above, a mother of
three. Plates: Tennessee.
May 10, 2004
U.S. 13: Driver and passenger killed when they are thrown from one car
and struck by two others. Plates: Texas.
July 22, 2004
U.S. 13: Driver killed when he loses control of vehicle and it
overturns. Plates: Florida.
Oct. 1, 2005
Intersection of Va. 180 and Va. 600: Driver and child passenger killed
when car runs stop sign and is broadsided by a pickup. Plates:
Michigan.
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In the Escort’s wreckage, they found empty cans of Modelo Especial –
acclaimed in Mexico as “the elite of beers.”
That violent collision nine days ago, on an unlit stretch of Accomack
County blacktop, is the latest example of a deadly trend:
Since 2002, more than 90 people have been injured and 18 killed on the
Eastern Shore in accidents involving Hispanic workers driving rogue
vehicles.
The fatalities represent about one-fourth of the 71 highway deaths on
the Eastern Shore in that period, even though the year-round Hispanic
population makes up only 5 percent of the region’s 51,000 residents.
Those numbers swell during tomato-picking season, from July through
early November, when most of the fatalities occurred.
Accidents like the one on Oct. 1 have helped make the 77-mile stretch
of U.S. 13 from the Chesapeake Bay Bridge-Tunnel to the Maryland state
line one of the most treacherous highways in Virginia. In 2003, the
fatality rate – deaths per miles driven – on that span of U.S. 13 was
more than four times the rates on Interstates 64, 81 and 95 in
Virginia.
In all but three of the fatal accidents in which Hispanics were at the
wheel, the drivers had no insurance. In most cases, the vehicles had
no inspection stickers, the drivers carried no license and alcohol was
a factor. The vast majority of the victims in the fatalities were
Hispanic.
A review of State Police auto accident reports for 2002 through 2004
on the Eastern Shore also revealed that of the 179 accidents involving
Hispanic laborers:
nThree-fourths of the drivers had no auto insurance – more than four
times the national rate for uninsured motorists.
nNearly all of the vehicles driven by migrants and other laborers were
registered to other drivers.
n Ninety-three percent of the vehicles had out-of-state tags – most of
them from Tennessee.
nThe number of injuries per accident was about 50 percent higher than
the statewide average.
The troopers patrolling U.S. 13, a busy artery connecting Hampton
Roads to the populous Northeast, are frustrated by the pattern of
lawlessness and mayhem.
Only 10 troopers are assigned to the highways that crisscross the
Eastern Shore’s 263 square miles – and on some shifts there is only
one trooper on duty for each of the Shore’s two counties. First Sgt.
J.P. Koushel, who oversees the Shore’s troopers, said his unit is
“tremendously understaffed” and that he has requested additional
manpower.
“Right now we’re just running from call to call,” Koushel said. “We
can’t even be pro active anymore.”
Koushel said most of the vehicles involved in accidents that kill and
injure fail to meet Virginia highway safety standards. He called it “a
mockery” of the state’s vehicle registration law.
Tennessee plates
The state of Tennessee appears to be an enabler for many of the
illegal drivers.
Up and down the Eastern Shore, in the work camps and housing complexes
where migrants and year-round laborers live, Tennessee plates abound.
Eastern Shore law enforcers suspect there is a flourishing black
market for Tennessee tags.
There has been speculation of a mail-order operation, but postmasters
say they cannot discuss the nature of their mail. Officials for the
State Police Bureau of Criminal Investigation would not say if they
are looking into the Tennessee tag issue.
Tennessee’s titling and registration regulations are among the most
lax in the nation. Several migrants interviewed recently said they got
Tennessee tags because they were turned down by Virginia’s Department
of Motor Vehicles.
Tennessee does not require identification or proof of insurance when a
vehicle is titled and plates are issued, as long as the motorist pays
cash. Most states require identification or proof of insurance;
Virginia requires both.
Tennessee state Sen. Bill Ketron said his state’s legislature has
failed to close the loophole because of pressure from the powerful
auto insurance industry, which he says “wants to be able to
cherry-pick who they sell to,” rather than being forced to insure
high-risk drivers. He plans to introduce a bill during the next
legislative session, which begins in January, that would toughen
titling and registration requirements.
The problem also has come to the attention of Virginia’s Migrant and
Seasonal Farm Workers Advisory Board. The Tennessee license plate
matter is “a political hot potato,” said Kenneth E. Annis of Exmore,
chairman of the 15-member board.
Annis promised that it will be addressed at the board’s next meeting.
The board, which meets four times a year, can recommend changes to the
governor or the General Assembly.
Other regions with significant Hispanic populations, such as
Rockingham County in Virginia’s Shenandoah Valley and the
Greensboro/Winston-Salem area of North Carolina, have not seen
significant numbers of cars with Tennessee tags, say law enforcement
officials there.
But on the Eastern Shore, “Somebody is making it very easy for these
drivers to get Tennessee tags,” Annis said. “It’s all very fishy.”
And deadly. In the 13 fatal accidents since 2002 involving Hispanic
workers, six vehicles bore Tennessee tags.
Many of the Tennessee plates on the Shore were issued in Union County,
in the eastern part of the state near the Virginia border – about a
nine-hour drive from the Shore.
Jim Houston, county clerk for Union County, said Tennessee officials
are aware of the problem. Houston said his office sees “quite a few”
Hispanics registering vehicles, “and I think the number’s increasing.”
When the topic of migrants titling vehicles came up at a recent
meeting of Tennessee clerks, Houston said, “One of the other clerks
said, 'Lord, we’re overrun with them.’”
Migrant population swells
Each year, tomato pickers follow the jobs north from Florida and
Georgia to Virginia’s Eastern Shore by the thousands.
In July, the Hispanic population on the Shore swells from fewer than
3,000 – those who live there year-round – to about 7,000. The seasonal
migrants stay until late October, sometimes into November, then head
south.
In recent years, more workers have stuck around when the growing
season ended. The number of Eastern Shore laborers who stayed behind
and became full-time residents jumped from 177 in 1980 to 2,516 in
2000, according to the U.S. Census Bureau.
With its long growing season, the Shore has become one of the nation’s
garden spots for tomatoes, which are now its biggest cash crop.
Virginia ranks third in the nation in tomato production, behind
Florida and California. Virginia’s annual crop is valued at $60
million – 95 percent of it grown on the Shore.
Tomatoes must be picked by hand, a labor-intensive and often
sweltering task. The migrants from Mexico and Central America bring a
willingness and the skills that local laborers generally lack, said
Jim Belote, agricultural extension agent for Accomack County.
“These guys are incredible athletes,” he said. “You’ll see one worker
toss a basket of tomatoes to a guy on a truck like a football player
completing a pass, and then the first guy is filling another basket.
“They’re also very conscientious. They live in what we would consider
impoverished conditions so they can send most of their salary to
relatives back home.”
Migrants are indispensable to the large commercial tomato growers that
dominate the industry on the Shore. Jay Taylor, president of
Florida-based Taylor & Fulton Inc., one of the Eastern Shore’s largest
growers, said his company hires between 650 and 750 migrants to pick
tomatoes and 150 more to package them during the height of the season
at its Mappsville operation.
Jim Albright, who ministers to migrants on the Eastern Shore for the
Roman Catholic Diocese of Richmond, said most Hispanics on the Shore
are law-abiding and hard working. Some are professionals, and there
are two Hispanic doctors, he said.
Albright said migrants have been victimized by fly-by-night
entrepreneurs who promise to get them immigration documents, then
disappear with their cash. He said he knows it is difficult for many
migrants to obtain driver’s licenses and vehicle registrations, which
can lead them to seek Tennessee tags.
Most of the laborers live in Accomack County housing complexes, motels
and mobile home parks, some in squalid conditions. Two of the largest
trailer parks are named Dreamland 1 and Dreamland 2.
One laborer, a resident of Dreamland 1 and a Mexican immigrant, said
weekend parties are a way of letting off steam after a hot week in the
fields.
In 2003 and 2004, 128 of the 395 people arrested on DUI charges on the
Shore – 32.4 percent – were Hispanic. Steve Hearn, who heads the
Shore’s Virginia Alcohol Safety Action Program, said the courts are
sending increasing numbers of Hispanics through the program, and he
has begun conducting classes in Spanish on videotape and using a
Spanish-speaking interpreter for alcohol-awareness sessions.
The carnage
The mix of alcohol, unsafe vehicles and inexperienced drivers has bred
carnage along the back roads that connect farm fields to the hamlets
on the Shore. Those roads eventually lead to U.S. 13, which bisects
the long, narrow peninsula.
When crashes occur, it is not uncommon for Hispanic drivers – often
intoxicated and unlicensed – to flee before troopers arrive. According
to State Police records, about a third of accidents involving migrant
workers are hit-and-run.
That’s what happened on Aug. 29, 2002. The driver of a 1990 Dodge van
apparently lost control on Va. 178 near Belle Haven. The van veered
off the road and struck several trees, then a utility pole.
There were seven people in the van, and three of them – all migrant
laborers – died. Two passengers fled before police arrived. The car
was registered to Guadalupe Ramirez in Unicoi County, Tenn.
Many accidents leave a curious paper trail. On Nov. 4, 2002, a 1986
Nissan Sentra overturned on Va. 609 in Accomack County, killing the
driver, Jesus Antonio Lopez.
Lopez was intoxicated, according to police. The car he was driving
bore Tennessee plates and was registered to Michael Jones of 620
Pinewood Drive in Virginia Beach.
Jones, contacted recently in Virginia Beach, said he owned an ’86
Sentra when he lived at that address but that he had since moved and
given the car to a friend in Northampton County. Jones said the friend
later sold the car.
Told that the car had been registered in his name in Tennessee, Jones
speculated that someone had found papers with his personal information
in the car and used them to get the Tennessee tags.
“It’s kind of scary to think that can happen,” he said.
A collision on Dec. 20, 2003, involved all of the volatile
ingredients: two cars carrying laborers, each bearing out-of-state
tags, crashed head-on. Investigators said both drivers had been
drinking.
Victor Herrera Munoz, a poultry worker, was headed south on U.S. 13 in
a 1985 Chevrolet Camaro with North Carolina plates when he lost
control, crossed the median and struck an oncoming Ford Escort,
according to a police report.
When officers arrived, no one was in the driver’s seat of the badly
crumpled Escort, which had Tennessee plates. An ambulance transported
Munoz to a hospital in Salisbury, Md.
A few days later, police discovered what happened to the driver of the
Escort, Israel Gomez Sanchez. Friends of Gomez Sanchez following in
another car had pulled him from the wreckage, placed him in their car
and set out on an eight-hour drive to Charlotte, N.C., where Gomez
Sanchez had relatives.
There, the injured man’s family called an ambulance. According to the
medical examiner’s report, Gomez Sanchez died at a Charlotte hospital,
nearly 14 hours after the accident.
Accomack County prosecutors initially planned to charge Munoz with
manslaughter, but decided it would be difficult to convict him because
Gomez Sanchez may have lived had he received prompt medical attention.
State Trooper Koushel said migrants often cannot be conclusively
identified when they’re stopped for a violation or involved in an
accident. Many, he said, are illegal aliens who carry fake or invalid
driver’s licenses. Because of that, he said, many fail to show up in
court.
“It’s almost like writing a ticket to a ghost,” Koushel said.
Sometimes when there’s an accident involving a fatality or serious
injury, “we don’t even know what embassy to contact,” he said.
It’s three months into the harvest season, and State Police recently
have seen the effects of the migrant influx. So has Sentara Norfolk
General’s air ambulance, the Nightingale.
The helicopter regularly flies to the Eastern Shore to ferry badly
injured accident survivors to the Norfolk hospital. On the evening of
Sept. 17, the Nightingale made two trips to the Shore to retrieve
victims from accidents on U.S. 13.
In the first crash, a man suffered a broken neck when the Hyundai he
was riding in pulled out into the path of a State Police special
investigator. The Hyundai’s driver, a Hispanic worker, had a
blood-alcohol content more than double the legal limit for driving.
In the second accident, a migrant worker was seriously hurt while
walking intoxicated along U.S. 13 just one mile from the earlier
accident. The van that struck him stopped, and the driver stepped out
briefly before speeding off. Witnesses identified the driver as
Hispanic.
Two weeks later, the Nightingale was again summoned to the Eastern
Shore, to pick up pregnant Marina Salazar, injured in the crash on
Seaside Road.
On patrol
Along desolate County Road near Parksley, state Trooper Casey Lewis
watched a Toyota Camry pull compliantly off the road at dusk. The
car’s left tail light was burned out. The license plate would have led
a casual observer to conclude that the driver was from Tennessee, but
Lewis knew better.
“I’ve gotten this guy before,” she said, grabbing a long black
flashlight, securing a trooper’s hat over her hair and stepping out of
the patrol car.
The Camry’s driver accompanied Lewis back to her cruiser and pulled
out his wallet. It contained a North Carolina ID card that said he was
Jose Luis Montes, a field worker from Mexico. But he had no driver’s
license.
On the floor of the passenger’s side of the Camry sat a brown paper
bag containing a six-pack of beer bottles. Five were empty.
It was not Montes’ lucky night. He was only about 200 feet from the
entrance to Dreamland 2, where he lives. Lewis cited him for driving
without an operator’s permit, an open-container violation and driving
with defective equipment.
A few minutes later, Parksley Police Chief Tommy Carpenter pulled up
and removed the Tennessee plates with a power screwdriver.
“We’ll take them back and destroy them,” Lewis said. “That way they
won’t get recycled on the Shore.”
Later that evening, Lewis was one of more than a half-dozen officers
who set up a DUI checkpoint in front of a funeral home on Parksley
Road, a two-lane stretch of rural blacktop. State Police operate
checkpoints once or twice a month. This time, in order to muster
enough manpower, they had to recruit local sheriff’s deputies.
From midnight to just before 4 a.m., the officers stopped cars, vans
and pickups in the sulfurous haze of orange roadside flares, waving
suspected violators into the funeral home parking lot. It was a busy
night. At one point, eight vehicles were parked at odd angles as
officers interviewed their drivers.
At 12:23 a.m., an officer flagged a Nissan pickup with Alabama tags
and a black crouching tiger painted on the driver’s-side door. Two
Hispanic men wearing white T-shirts got out. The driver had no license
or ID.
The men became agitated as they milled around. When a tow truck
arrived to haul away the pickup, one of the men began shouting
“Discrimination! Discrimination!”
As the wrecker pulled away with the pickup aboard, one man flung
himself on the flatbed tow truck and tried to roll under his
confiscated pickup.
The ruse didn’t work.
“Come on down off there, amigo,” one of the officers ordered.
There was little rest on this night for Randy Miller, owner of Randy’s
Service Center in Parksley. He drives a red tow truck with “23½ HOUR
SERVICE” emblazoned on the driver’s door.
“The half-hour is when I sleep,” Miller deadpanned as he loaded up for
his fifth trip of the night.
Miller said he maintains a small used-car lot made up mostly of aging
vehicles that were never claimed for the $125 towing fee. They often
are sold to other farm laborers, police said, thus making their way
back onto the highways – many of them sporting Tennessee plates.
The fallout
Every fatality leaves people dealing with its aftermath. Georgie Smith
is one of them.
When her daughter, Debbie Thomas, was killed in a Christmas Eve 2003
accident on U.S. 13, Smith was left to raise three grandchildren. Six
generations now live in the same two-story house in Painter.
That Christmas, Smith recalls, people came by the house not to
celebrate the holiday but to offer condolences. Her grandchildren
received the gifts from their mom unwrapped, in a cardboard box.
Thomas had been on her way home that night to wrap the presents. She
was less than a mile from her house in Nelsonia when her Nissan Sentra
was hit head-on by a Geo Storm with Tennessee plates traveling the
wrong way.
The impact tore the shoes from Thomas’ feet. She later died at the
hospital. Her daughter, Marquita, suffered only minor injuries –
thanks to a last-second maneuver by Thomas. State Police said she
turned the wheel to the right just before impact, taking the brunt of
the collision on the driver’s side and probably saving Marquita’s
life.
The driver of the other car, Narciso Garcia-Jimenez, was seriously
hurt. He was air-lifted unconscious to Sentara Norfolk General, where
State Police told hospital officials that they planned to obtain a
warrant, charging him with manslaughter.
But later, when a nurse went to Garcia-Jimenez’s room, the bed was
empty – except for a dangling intravenous line. He remains a fugitive.
Garcia-Jimenez worked at one of the sprawling poultry plants in
Accomack County. The Geo Storm he was driving was uninsured, had no
inspection sticker and was registered to another person at P.O. Box
87, Newport, Tenn. – an address that frequently shows up on
registration papers carried by migrants, State Police said.
Smith thought the driver of the car that struck her daughter’s had
been killed in the crash. When told he had survived and had never been
arrested, Smith said she felt “angry, bitter and sad, all at once.”
Angry, but not surprised. Not long ago, a man crashed a car near the
family home on narrow, poorly lit Shell Bridge Road.
When police arrived, they found the car smashed against a tree. The
driver was gone. So were the license plates.
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Farewell Address
SheBlewHimDidYouBlowHim
with tinted windows on their car, so everything is okay,.
save america, kill a cop today.
KILL ALL COPS
DEATH TO PIGS
Duly Appointed Bitchslapper
"d" <d...@example.com> wrote in message
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> <gold...@nym.hush.com> wrote in message
> news:1129087760....@g44g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> > Just tonight in the high country of Colorado and in Moab, Utah, there
> > were reports on the evening news of two vans filled with illegal aliens
> > that flipped on icy roads. The drivers fled the scene of the accidents
> > and American taxpayers will pick up the tab for the injured illegal
> > invaders who were taken to hospitals for treatment. BICE won't deport
> > the illegals, of course, as America is a sanctuary nation for Mexico's
> > surplus population.
> >
> > Emmanual Goldstein
>
> Are you Jewish? If so, you should realise that persecuting a whole group
of
> people for PERCEIVED problems is never a good thing.
>
> Illegal workers boost economies.
Then why are counties and local governments in areas heavily populated by
illegals (i.e, Los Angeles, San Diego) going broke? Why are public hopsitals
closing their doors?
You blather on accusing everyone of being a "racist" merely because they
disagree with your position on illegal immigration. How about backing up
your own accusations for a change?
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>>> Duly Appointed Bitchslapper <<<
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The devil is an abstraction for normal, decent Americans living in the
red states. By contrast, at the top universities, you come face to face
with the devil every day, and you learn all his little tropes and tricks."
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GLOBAL MAN
"Graphic Queen" <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com> wrote in message
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> do is take and never give back in anyway. That is all Mexicans want,
> to take. They don't even want to give back.
Illegals pay taxes and Social Security. Illegals have sweated more than
your last 10 phoney-American generations. If it weren't for illegals you'd
be picking lemons in 110 degrees for $2 an hour with no food, water or
healthcare.
Now go shove your racism, Commie.
Duly Appointed Bitchslapper
"Graphic Queen" <xxx...@xxx.xxx.com> wrote in message
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> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 02:02:28 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
> <da...@aol.com> wrote:
>
> >
> do is take and never give back in anyway. That is all Mexicans want,
> to take. They don't even want to give back.
I make a distinction between those Mexicans who are willing to come here and
play by the rules v.s illegals.
GLOBAL MAN
> SS. Listen, you go get some education then we might discuss with you
> as an adult. Until then you are hopelessly ignorant.
Problem here is you are saying the Repug employers aren't witholding income
taxes and SS on their illegal alien employees??? WOW! Guess who's breaking
the laws?
Who would've guessed?
Duly Appointed Bitchslapper
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Some do, most don't. A considerable number of them work "under the table" in
the trades. Even with some paying taxes, they hardly cover their own
expenses. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers in terms of income pay only 4% of
all personal income taxes, and we know that the average income of an illegal
is well below the median. On the other hand, we see that illegals, who not
only pay negligible taxes but are more often than not uninisured, use up a
lot of public resources such as hospital emergency rooms whose costs they
never cover. In addition, the significantly higher tendency of illegals to
engage in criminal activities imposes additional costs as well:
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Health Care For Illegals Cost County $350 Million
a.. Officials Say Funds Might Have Staved Off Cuts, Closures
May 12, 2003 1:14 pm US/Pacific
LOS ANGELES (AP) The county spent about $350 million last year providing
health care to illegal immigrants, the Department of Health Services said.
Massive health cuts, including the closure of 16 health clinics and possibly
two hospitals, as well as slashes in services, could have been avoided if
that money was available for other uses, officials said.
The Board of Supervisors votes Tuesday on a plan to create a work permit for
Mexicans wanting to come to the county for a certain period of time for a
certain job. The law would require would-be employers to put up an insurance
bond for each worker to guarantee they would pay the cost of any needed
health care services.
The proposal would also need congressional approval.
"Illegal immigrants have impacted our county taxpayers," Supervisor Michael
Antonovich said. "We have a $350 million debt as a result of these people
receiving medical treatment illegally."
Antonovich said there are also plans to eliminate all non-emergency services
to people who don't live in the county.
http://cbs2.com/health/healthla_story_132162016.html
[Los Angeles County Sheriff] Baca told the Los Angeles County supervisors,
"The magnitude of illegal immigrants in prisons and local jails in the
United States is huge. It is well over $1 billion in costs." Yet last year,
Congress allocated only $281 million for SCAAP. Los Angeles County received
$13.8 million, although officials say illegal immigrants cost the county $80
to $100 million a year.
San Francisco received $1.4 million in SCAAP funding. The San Francisco
County Sheriff's office says it receives about $20 per day per inmate from
the federal government; though the daily cost of incarcerating illegal
aliens is roughly $90 per inmate. In all, California jurisdictions received
$111 million of the total $281.6 million awarded in fiscal 2004.
http://www.cjcj.org/press/feds_should.html
. In Los Angeles, 95 percent of all outstanding warrants for homicide (which
total 1,200 to 1,500) target illegal aliens. Up to two-thirds of all
fugitive felony warrants (17,000) are for illegal aliens.
. A confidential California Department of Justice study reported in 1995
that 60 percent of the 20,000-strong 18th Street Gang in southern California
is illegal; police officers say the proportion is actually much greater. The
bloody gang collaborates with the Mexican Mafia, the dominant force in
California prisons, on complex drug-distribution schemes, extortion, and
drive-by assassinations, and commits an assault or robbery every day in L.A.
County. The gang has grown dramatically over the last two decades by
recruiting recently arrived youngsters, most of them illegal, from Central
America and Mexico.
http://www.city-journal.org/html/14_1_the_illegal_alien.html
Overburdened by the uninsured and overwhelmed by illegal immigration, public
health care in Los Angeles is on life support.
Sixty percent of the county's uninsured patients are not U.S. citizens. More
than half are here illegally. About 2 million undocumented aliens in Los
Angeles County alone are crowding emergency rooms because they can't afford
to see a doctor.
According to the State Association of Hospitals, California's public health
system is "on the brink of collapse." In Los Angeles County, patients can
wait four days for a hospital bed and up to two years for gallbladder
surgery.
"The hospitals are closing because of the totality of the uninsured," said
Dr. Thomas Garthwaite, director of the Los Angeles County Health Department
. "If you're legally a resident in California and you're poor, you have a
right to basic services."
But some critics say the taxpayers can't be the HMO to the world. Last
year, Los Angeles County spent $340 million to treat the uninsured; that's
roughly $1,000 for every taxpayer.
"We're citizens here. Why should somebody from another country that's here
illegally get anything that we can't get? I mean that's dumb, that's not
right," said Don Schenck, whose son, Bill, is mentally disabled.
Though the Schencks are uninsured, and considered poor by county standards,
his father had to find a way to pay for his Bill's care while thousands of
others, in the country illegally, get it for free.
"It makes you feel pretty bad when you're born in that country and you're
handicapped and you've got a learning disability and you can't get medical,"
Schenck said.
Mike Antonovich, the Los Angeles County supervisor, said the system has been
"basically bankrupted."
The Department of Health has a $1.2 billion deficit. Caring for illegals is
siphoning money from other services and forcing clinics, trauma centers and
emergency rooms to close, he said.
"We cannot afford to have a open-door policy to encourage illegals to
continue to come here and receive all the medical care, because it's too
expensive," he said.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,150750,00.html
Illegal Immigration Costs California $10.5 Billion Annually
State's "cheap labor" costs average household $1,183 a year
Dateline: December, 2004
In hosting America's largest population of illegal immigrants, California
bears a huge cost to provide basic human services for this fast growing,
low-income segment of its population. A new study from the Federation for
American Immigration Reform (FAIR) examines the costs of education, health
care and incarceration of illegal aliens, and concludes that the costs to
Californians is $10.5 billion per year.
Among the key finding of the report are that the state's already struggling
K-12 education system spends approximately $7.7 billion a year to school the
children of illegal aliens who now constitute 15 percent of the student
body. Another $1.4 billion of the taxpayers' money goes toward providing
health care to illegal aliens and their families, the same amount that is
spent incarcerating illegal aliens criminals.
"California's addiction to 'cheap' illegal alien labor is bankrupting the
state and posing enormous burdens on the state's shrinking middle class tax
base," stated Dan Stein, President of FAIR. "Most Californians, who have
seen their taxes increase while public services deteriorate, already know
the impact that mass illegal immigration is having on their communities, but
even they may be shocked when they learn just how much of a drain illegal
immigration has become."
The Costs of Illegal Immigration to Californians focuses on three specific
program areas because those were the costs examined by researchers from the
Urban Institute in 1994. Looking at the costs of education, health care and
incarceration for illegal aliens in 1994, the Urban Institute estimated that
California was subsidizing illegal immigrants to the tune of about $1.1
billion. The enormous rise in the costs of illegal immigrants over the
intervening ten years is due to the rapid growth in illegal residents. It is
reasonable to expect those costs to continue to soar if action is not taken
to turn the tide.
"Nineteen ninety-four was the same year that California voters rebelled and
overwhelmingly passed Proposition 187, which sought to limit liability for
mass illegal immigration. Since then, state and local governments have
blatantly ignored the wishes of the voters and continued to shell out
publicly financed benefits on illegal aliens," said Stein. "Predictably, the
costs of illegal immigration have grown geometrically, while the state has
spiraled into a fiscal crisis that has brought it near bankruptcy.
"Nothing could more starkly illustrate the very high costs of 'cheap labor'
than California's current situation," continued Stein. "A small number of
powerful interests in the state reap the benefits, while the average
native-born family in California gets handed a nearly $1,200 a year bill."
http://usgovinfo.about.com/od/immigrationnaturalizatio/a/caillegals.htm
A more detailed breakdown of costs at the national level:
http://www.cis.org/articles/2004/fiscalfindings.html
> Illegals have sweated more than your last 10 phoney-American generations.
In the past, the American economy was growing and still had plenty of need
for manual labor, even those who were unskilled. That's not the case
anymore - we don't need more uneducated, unskilled, illiterate, non-English
speaking people in this country.
> If it weren't for illegals you'd
> be picking lemons in 110 degrees for $2 an hour with no food, water or
> healthcare.
No, I wouldn't. I have a college degree, marketable skills, and my own
business. If it weren't for illegals, farmers and agribusiness would have to
pay market wages to attract people to do those jobs. That might increase the
cost of food, but that's not a bad thing, considering obesity and heart
disease are far bigger problems in this country than startvation.
> Now go shove your racism, Commie.
Thanks for reminding us that you're too stupid to actually debate the
issues.
Duly Appointed Bitchslapper
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:16:46 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
> illegals.
Thanks for clarifying that.
Trace
hire mexicanos who work for nearly nothing because thats what they are
used to.
the employers pocket tons of extra money since they don't have to pay
any taxes on the illegals, and no benefits, sick pay, holiday pay, etc.
so when your wife or children get crushed by a drunken wetback going
the wrong way down the highway, just remember all those times you had
one cutting your grass, replacing your roof, etc. sure it was cheap
then, but now as your town is overrun by hordes of 3rd world low life,
who can you blame?
T_Ha...@hushmail.com
who can you blame? >>
Dunno about third world low life, but redneck racists are at the bottom
of the barrel when it comes to desireable neighbors. Since you are so
big on fighting Commies, why don't you find a nice Marxist country to
invade and get the fuck out of the USA?
Wm James
wrote:
>
Criminal invaders are criminals and invaders. It doesn't matter what
they do, they remain criminal invaders and should be treated as such.
If they want to work cheap, hey, no problem! Let them work on a chain
gang for 10 cents an hour toward their upkeep while they do their time
prior to deportion.
William R. James
Wm James
<da...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> Illegals pay taxes and Social Security.
>
>Some do, most don't. A considerable number of them work "under the table" in
>the trades. Even with some paying taxes, they hardly cover their own
>expenses. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers in terms of income pay only 4% of
>all personal income taxes, and we know that the average income of an illegal
>is well below the median. On the other hand, we see that illegals, who not
>only pay negligible taxes but are more often than not uninisured, use up a
>lot of public resources such as hospital emergency rooms whose costs they
>never cover. In addition, the significantly higher tendency of illegals to
>engage in criminal activities imposes additional costs as well:
Also, a large portion of the criminal's pay is sent to mexico and
helps a foreign economy, not ours. In fact, US dollars from mexican
criminals in the US is second only to oil in Mexico's source of
revenue. That's one reason the government of Mexico actively assists
their criminals in invading the US and evading law enforcement.
William R. James
Wm James
<da...@aol.com> wrote:
>http://cbs2.com/health/healthla_story_132162016.html
>
>[Los Angeles County Sheriff] Baca told the Los Angeles County supervisors,
>"The magnitude of illegal immigrants in prisons and local jails in the
>United States is huge. It is well over $1 billion in costs." Yet last year,
>Congress allocated only $281 million for SCAAP. Los Angeles County received
>$13.8 million, although officials say illegal immigrants cost the county $80
>to $100 million a year.
>San Francisco received $1.4 million in SCAAP funding. The San Francisco
>County Sheriff's office says it receives about $20 per day per inmate from
>the federal government; though the daily cost of incarcerating illegal
>aliens is roughly $90 per inmate. In all, California jurisdictions received
>$111 million of the total $281.6 million awarded in fiscal 2004.
Ever watch "America's Most Wanted"? In the last few years it's become
a very noticable trend that most of the criminals featured are
mexican.
William R. James
Wm James
wrote:
>On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 08:16:46 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
>Well yeah. I do also. I thought that is what we were talking about,
>illegals.
Generally referred to as "criminals".
William R. James
Mitchell Holman
news:giu2m1d1bhu8funds...@4ax.com:
> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:52:41 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
> <da...@aol.com> wrote:
>
>>>
>>> Illegals pay taxes and Social Security.
>>
>>Some do, most don't. A considerable number of them work "under the
>>table" in the trades. Even with some paying taxes, they hardly cover
>>their own expenses. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers in terms of income
>>pay only 4% of all personal income taxes, and we know that the average
>>income of an illegal is well below the median. On the other hand, we see
>>that illegals, who not only pay negligible taxes but are more often than
>>not uninisured, use up a lot of public resources such as hospital
>>emergency rooms whose costs they never cover. In addition, the
>>significantly higher tendency of illegals to engage in criminal
>>activities imposes additional costs as well:
>
> Also, a large portion of the criminal's pay is sent to mexico and
> helps a foreign economy, not ours.
Better that US dollars be sent to poor families
in Mexico than wealthy Saudi princes who then send
to Hamas terror cells.
Mitchell Holman
If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American
cars by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent
of our gulf oil imports into this country.
Wm James
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>Wm James <wrjames...@spamreaper.org> wrote in
>news:giu2m1d1bhu8funds...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:52:41 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
>> <da...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Illegals pay taxes and Social Security.
>>>
>>>Some do, most don't. A considerable number of them work "under the
>>>table" in the trades. Even with some paying taxes, they hardly cover
>>>their own expenses. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers in terms of income
>>>pay only 4% of all personal income taxes, and we know that the average
>>>income of an illegal is well below the median. On the other hand, we see
>>>that illegals, who not only pay negligible taxes but are more often than
>>>not uninisured, use up a lot of public resources such as hospital
>>>emergency rooms whose costs they never cover. In addition, the
>>>significantly higher tendency of illegals to engage in criminal
>>>activities imposes additional costs as well:
>>
>> Also, a large portion of the criminal's pay is sent to mexico and
>> helps a foreign economy, not ours.
>
>
> Better that US dollars be sent to poor families
>in Mexico than wealthy Saudi princes who then send
>to Hamas terror cells.
Do you have a point? If you are suggesting that we should invade
Mexico, then I agree. They have been sending their criminals to
invade the US and have cost us a fortune, and I think it would be
entirely appropriate to confiscate their oil wells as payment.
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
>
>If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American
>cars by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent
>of our gulf oil imports into this country.
Yes, and if gods strike down all cancers then we will safe billions on
medicine too. Again, do you have a point?
William R. James
Wm James
<ta2eene...@comcast.com> wrote:
>Wm James <wrjames...@spamreaper.org> wrote in
>news:giu2m1d1bhu8funds...@4ax.com:
>
>> On Thu, 13 Oct 2005 09:52:41 -0700, "Duly Appointed Bitchslapper"
>> <da...@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>>>>
>>>> Illegals pay taxes and Social Security.
>>>
>>>Some do, most don't. A considerable number of them work "under the
>>>table" in the trades. Even with some paying taxes, they hardly cover
>>>their own expenses. The bottom 50% of all taxpayers in terms of income
>>>pay only 4% of all personal income taxes, and we know that the average
>>>income of an illegal is well below the median. On the other hand, we see
>>>that illegals, who not only pay negligible taxes but are more often than
>>>not uninisured, use up a lot of public resources such as hospital
>>>emergency rooms whose costs they never cover. In addition, the
>>>significantly higher tendency of illegals to engage in criminal
>>>activities imposes additional costs as well:
>>
>> Also, a large portion of the criminal's pay is sent to mexico and
>> helps a foreign economy, not ours.
>
>
> Better that US dollars be sent to poor families
>in Mexico than wealthy Saudi princes who then send
>to Hamas terror cells.
Do you have a point? If you are suggesting that we should invade
Mexico, then I agree. They have been sending their criminals to
invade the US and have cost us a fortune, and I think it would be
entirely appropriate to confiscate their oil wells as payment.
>
> Mitchell Holman
>
>
>If we raise fuel efficiency standards in American
>cars by 7.6 mpg, we eliminate one-hundred percent
>of our gulf oil imports into this country.
Yes, and if gods strike down all cancers then we will safe billions on