English Guy Wants background Info on this Group
Michael H Stevens
I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I do
not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
(alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about LA
and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has always
been my dream to live in LA!!!!
Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know what
it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate it.
Kind regards
Michael H Stevens
d...@cheetah.net
On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:39:00 -0600, "Michael H Stevens" <MH...@sprynet.com>
wrote:
There are many of us living in the
"Far Western Region of the Original
Thirteen Colonies" who don't go
along with the voluminous posts that
characterize this specific region as
fraught with all the negatives of
humanity. An appreciative Brit such
as yourself will most likely find all
is quite different than what seems to
be the messages of the cantankerous
few.
Save for an occasional firestorm, some
huge mud slides, winter flash floods,
a plethora of drive-by shootings & gang
warfare, some crooked politicians . . .
you get the picture, the place is idyllic
and quite pleasing to the senses. We like
to refer to our homeland as La La Land.
Enjoy.
DCI
d...@cheetah.net
On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 12:38:21 -0800, ja...@cheetah.net (Jafo) wrote:
>You forgot the occasional earthquakes.
>Feel this morning's little 4.5 temblor?
Oh! For goodness sakes, that's what
that shaking was. I thought it was
the SWAT teams rumblng through the
area.
DCI
ps: that 4.5 (Richter Scale) tremblor
was in Redlands. Does that count?
Jeff Yale
Jafo <ja...@cheetah.net> wrote in article
<3506f5d2...@news1.cheetah.net>...
> ~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
>
You also forgot the occasional massive riots.
Jeff Yale
Michael H Stevens <MH...@sprynet.com> wrote in article
<6dv6lq$dgi$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>...
> I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I do
> not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
> (alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about
LA
> and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has
always
> been my dream to live in LA!!!!
>
> Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know
what
> it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate
it.
>
> Kind regards
>
> Michael H Stevens
>
You have been watching too much TV.
LA is a Brown Third World Shit Hole (TM)!!!
But it is a great place to visit if you want TB.
Angelmoon
Jafo <ja...@cheetah.net> wrote in article
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|
| Well, *I* felt it. Didn't amount to much here, but I felt it.
|
|
| --
| ~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
|
|
Save this post for the next time some jerk accuses you of not having
feelings. <g>
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--Napoleon Hill
d...@cheetah.net
On 12 Mar 1998 01:27:24 GMT, "Jeff Yale" <x...@x.com> wrote:
>Jafo <ja...@cheetah.net> wrote in article
><3506f5d2...@news1.cheetah.net>...
>> On Wed, 11 Mar 1998 19:03:06 GMT, d...@cheetah.net wrote:
>>
>> >On Sun, 8 Mar 1998 16:39:00 -0600, "Michael H Stevens"
><MH...@sprynet.com>
>> >wrote:
>> >
>> >>I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I
>do
>> >>not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
>> >>(alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about
>LA
>> >>and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has
>always
>> >>been my dream to live in LA!!!!
>> >>
>> >>Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know
>what
>> >>it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate
>it.
>> >>
>> >>Kind regards
>> >>
>> >>Michael H Stevens
>> >>
>> >
>> > There are many of us living in the
>> > "Far Western Region of the Original
>> > Thirteen Colonies" who don't go
>> > along with the voluminous posts that
>> > characterize this specific region as
>> > fraught with all the negatives of
>> > humanity. An appreciative Brit such
>> > as yourself will most likely find all
>> > is quite different than what seems to
>> > be the messages of the cantankerous
>> > few.
>> >
>> > Save for an occasional firestorm, some
>> > huge mud slides, winter flash floods,
>> > a plethora of drive-by shootings & gang
>> > warfare, some crooked politicians . . .
>> > you get the picture, the place is idyllic
>> > and quite pleasing to the senses. We like
>> > to refer to our homeland as La La Land.
>> >
>> > Enjoy.
>> >
>> > DCI
>>
>> You forgot the occasional earthquakes.
>> Feel this morning's little 4.5 temblor?
>>
>> --
>> ~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
>>
>
>You also forgot the occasional massive riots.
>
Be very quiet about those slight
transgressions, rather, let's
refer to them as urban renewal
projects that are not on par with
the UK's soccer match fiascos.
DCI
B. Herder
In article <6dv6lq$dgi$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>, MH...@sprynet.com says...
>
>I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I do
>not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
>(alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about LA
>and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has always
>been my dream to live in LA!!!!
>
>Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know what
>it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate it.
>
>Kind regards
>
>Michael H Stevens
>
>
I believe I already responded to a previous post of yours...
L.A. IS NOT what you see in the movies.
Do you REALLY want to know what it's like to live here?
Check out my website then.
Sure I'm 'negitive' about L.A. That's because it SUCKS here.
I used to love it here. But after 42 years of seeing it go down
the toilet, you'd feel the same.
Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
it will soon turn into a nightmare, and you will see that what I say
is the honest truth, and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
Trust me. Pick someplace else.
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d...@cheetah.net
On 12 Mar 1998 03:23:14 GMT, "Angelmoon" <computer...@mailexite.com>
wrote:
>
>
>Jafo <ja...@cheetah.net> wrote in article
><3507349...@news1.cheetah.net>...
>|
>| Well, *I* felt it. Didn't amount to much here, but I felt it.
>|
>|
>| --
>| ~ Jafo http://bounce.to/jafo
>|
>|
>Save this post for the next time some jerk accuses you of not having
>feelings. <g>
When an 8.5 on the Richter rolls
through here, I'll be singing,
"Feelings, nothing more than
feelings, trying to forget my
feelings for you . . ." while
chomping on a stick of gum.
DCI
The Devil's Advocate
On 12 Mar 98 04:34:01 GMT, NOSP...@qnet.com (B. Herder) wrote:
>
>I believe I already responded to a previous post of yours...
>L.A. IS NOT what you see in the movies.
Depends on what movie you're talking about. If it's the cowboy movies,
then hell no. There are many movies that portray LA fairly accurately.
Some overdue LA's good aspects, such as the baywatch type stuff you
mentioned in your website, and some overdue the bad such as Boys N'
the Hood and Menace II Society, or even Replacement Killers for that
matter.
>Do you REALLY want to know what it's like to live here?
This is far from a realistic portrayal of what life in SoCal in
general and L.A. in particular is all about. Sure, you're right about
a lot of things to some degree, but you've magnified it exponentially.
I've never had many problems travelling the freeways outside of rush
hours, especially weekends.
>Check out my website then.
I'd recommend that the Brit balance it out by regularly reading
laweekly.com and diveinlosangeles.com if he is to read your webpage.
>Sure I'm 'negitive' about L.A. That's because it SUCKS here.
It has it's bad parts, but most of America between the rockies
Appalacians sucks as well, just in a different way. Which may be your
cup of tea, but for anyone looking to live in an exciting and
interesting place, middle America is about as far from it that one can
find. If the British guy were to come here, he might find SoCal far
more preferable to Fargo, N.D. or Topeka, KS. Sure, it may be safer
out there, no doubt, but I wouldn't be safe from the boredom that has
overwhelmed me when living there.
>I used to love it here. But after 42 years of seeing it go down
>the toilet, you'd feel the same.
Btw, fleeing to another city doesn't solve any problems, it only
prolongs them until the big city problems catch up with middle
America, as is happening all over the place. Only confronting problems
solves them. You hate LA so much...have you ever participated in any
grassroots organization to "take LA back" or do you just sit there
idly wishing you were living in Madison, WI while concurrently
attempting to demolish LA's tourist industry by encouraging people to
not visit and to persuade the good people of LA to run for the hills?
People have to get over this notion that running to somewhere else is
a solution. In fact it is a major in factor in the crude status of our
downtowns. Well, I think Palmdale is a perfect example of what we can
expect in middle America in a few years. Palmdale was originally a
flight city of LA and the SFV. People could move there for the same
reasons they might move to Cheyenne, WY. Cheaper property, safe, no
gangs, traffic, etc. A few years later, everybody else "got hip" to
what was going on and relocated there, including the gangs, taggers
and nazi skinheads. What was once a safe haven from Los Angeles has
become a desert microcosm of LA. The same can be said of the
megalopolis outskirts of the inland empire. Simi Valley seems to be
pretty intact, and it is probably attributable to a greater sense of
community there than is to be found in LA. So when you keep blathering
about leaving California, just keep in mind that the very problems you
are attempting to leave are only a few footsteps behind you if the
problems aren't confronted head on. If you hate the LA city council,
well then do something about it. If you hate gangs, well then become
active in the community and put tougher legislation on the board to
crack down on them. If you don't like illegal immigration(as you said
you feel like you're in Mexico on your page) then organize to
crackdown on businesses that hire them. If enough people feel like you
then it will happen. But doing nothing but complaining accomplishes
nothing. I remember seeing on the news a story about some town in
Arizona where some militia/vigilantes had decided to take back their
community and patrol on horseback themselves. And they were
successful. Although the militia types may not be my cup of tea
idealogically and politically, I gave them credit for "standing
ground."
>Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
>it will soon turn into a nightmare,
Well, the biggest nightmare I could have is to wake up living in some
moutainless, drab, bland nothing of a town such as Des Moines or
Omaha.
>and you will see that what I say
>is the honest truth, and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
>
>Trust me. Pick someplace else.
There are many great towns in California. Especially the coastal towns
like Santa Barbara, San Juan Capistrano, Newport Beach, Huntington
Beach, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Santa Monica. I haven't spent much
time in Ventura, but it looks nice. And the Mexican border is only a
short drive away and there is plenty of interesting culture, music and
food south of the border. Although not in California, I've heard other
Pacific cities such as Portland, OR and Seattle are great.
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> On 12 Mar 98 04:34:01 GMT, NOSP...@qnet.com (B. Herder) wrote:
>
> >
> <snip>
I agree 100% with everything you say, Devil's Advocate. Actions speak louder
than words. If something bothers you so much, then it would make sense to
actually DO something about it instead of just complaining and trying to
spread hate. Yes, California has its bad parts, but telling everybody that "it
sucks" won't make it any better, will it?
>
>
> >Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
> >it will soon turn into a nightmare,
>
> Well, the biggest nightmare I could have is to wake up living in some
> moutainless, drab, bland nothing of a town such as Des Moines or
> Omaha.
>
> >and you will see that what I say
> >is the honest truth, and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
> >
> >Trust me. Pick someplace else.
>
> There are many great towns in California. Especially the coastal towns
> like Santa Barbara, San Juan Capistrano, Newport Beach, Huntington
> Beach, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Santa Monica.
And you can't forget the Napa or Sonoma Valleys, or any part of the North
Bay. :D
> I haven't spent much
> time in Ventura, but it looks nice. And the Mexican border is only a
> short drive away and there is plenty of interesting culture, music and
> food south of the border. Although not in California, I've heard other
> Pacific cities such as Portland, OR and Seattle are great.
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In article <35076...@news.qnet.com>,
NOSP...@qnet.com (B. Herder) wrote:
>
> In article <6dv6lq$dgi$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>, MH...@sprynet.com says...
> >
> >I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I do
> >not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
> >(alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about LA
> >and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has always
> >been my dream to live in LA!!!!
If you want to know what L.A. is like than save money and go to Tangier
instead. Its pretty similar, only cheaper and safer.
> >
> >Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know
what
> >it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate it.
> >
> >Kind regards
> >
> >Michael H Stevens
> >
> >
>
> I believe I already responded to a previous post of yours...
> L.A. IS NOT what you see in the movies.
> Do you REALLY want to know what it's like to live here?
> Check out my website then.
Don't waste your time. Some of the things he says are true but he is
too biased by a xenophobic superpatriotism and love for a " Middle
America " that never really existed outside of TV. Anyway, some of your
fellow Englishmen, the Clash, described this place quite well in their
song " Safe European Home ". I think the song was actually about Florida,
I don't think it was about here per se but was just about the USA in
general. But its totally true.
> Sure I'm 'negitive' about L.A. That's because it SUCKS here.
> I used to love it here.
What was wrong with you ? I guess you merely hadn't known anything better
than American waste. Thats how it was with me. But it is true that it used
to be better than it is now, and when it started to suck it started to
suck in a big way.
But after 42 years of seeing it go down
> the toilet, you'd feel the same.
> Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
> it will soon turn into a nightmare, and you will see that what I say
> is the honest truth,
Not exactly. You're half right Bruce. I'll give you that much. To
be truthful there are some good aspects to SoCal. Most of 'em are in
my part of town ( Santa Monica ) which seems like something out of
the Costa del Sol or Malta.( COmplete with large Brit population ) IOW the
tackiest Mediterranean tourist trap is the
best we have to offer, and it doesn't come any better than that here. Theres
also some pretty nice scenery in the mountains, and while the clubs, bars,
and nightlife suck compared to many places, they're better than many
others as well. The women are better looking here than in most of the
USA, although quite weak compared with southern Europe.Bruce's problem is
that he cannot accept that the USA as a whole bites the big one, and that
the least American aspects of here are in most ways the best aspects. The
problems which he thinks of as being un-American, are VERY American. I
guess hes never been to Detroit, Chicago, etc. Too bad we didnt wind up
under the more sane rule of your queenie...
" Violence is as American as apple pie " - H Rap Brown
and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
>
> Trust me. Pick someplace else.
>
Pick someplace else - but don't trust Bruce with anything, much less
your hard-stolen money. But it is true the place bites. If you value your
sanity
and your life stay as far removed from the cesspool called the US of AIDS
as you can...
> -----------------------------------------
> See "Why Los Angeles & California SUCK!!!"
And one of the reasons why they do is that Bruce Herder lives here along with
other mental midgets like BajaRat and Jeff Yale.
>
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Michael H Stevens
Thank you for replying to my post in alt.California and for directing me to
your
Site. I have read every page of it and I know what you mean, I understand
your
negativity. Though I do not know LA, my wife is from Daisy Avenue, Long
Beach.
She is your age. She remembers when as a child she slept on Redondo Beach
all
night and she remembers the days when downtown Long Beach was a resort area.
Recently we inquired about a condo in LB and when the agent found out we had
kids (and were white), he would not even give us details. He said, Signal
Hill is as
near as you should get to LB if you want to live!!!!!
HOWEVER, I must say this. sadly, and ironically, I had a sister murdered in
a quite
English country village thirty years ago. So it never pays to generalize too
much.
Also 75% of the worlds richest people live in Southern California. It is
pretty, and
the weather is good, and in some area like Ojai (which is not too expensive
for the
middle classes) the school system is said to be amongst the best anywhere.
DO
YOU AGREE?
ALSO, let me ask a local expert, like yourself, about the future. Sure
things have
been getting worse from all accounts, but is there not an inner city
come-back. Does
not all that cheap mexican labor make life easy for the middle classes that
you
portray as persecuted? And looking at the economics, if it is really that
bad why do
houses cost $275,000? My wife moved from LA to East Texas ranch country, and
there that money buys 200 acres and a farm house: So why is there not MORE
white flight?
Are there more LA / Southern California news groups? I note you have put
great
effort into your analysis of LA, and you Site contains a lot of good
thinking, but
95% of the comments on alt.Califrnia are abusive and shallow. I would sure
like to
talk with a bunch of people with more brains showing.
Please respond, I find you analysis enthralling, if a little depressing!
Regards
Michael H Stevens
UK
B. Herder wrote in message <35076...@news.qnet.com>...
>In article <6dv6lq$dgi$1...@juliana.sprynet.com>, MH...@sprynet.com says...
>>
>>I'm from England, love the California of the movies and Westerns BUT I do
>>not know the REAL Southern California. The guys in this newsgroup
>>(alt.California and alt.California.illegals) all seem so negative about LA
>>and environs and a lot of you seem to hate being there. To me it has
always
>>been my dream to live in LA!!!!
>>
>>Can you guys e-me with your own unique local knowledge, and let me know
what
>>it is really like to live in Southern California. I would so appreciate
it.
>>
>>Kind regards
>>
>>Michael H Stevens
>>
>>
>
>I believe I already responded to a previous post of yours...
>L.A. IS NOT what you see in the movies.
>Do you REALLY want to know what it's like to live here?
>Check out my website then.
>Sure I'm 'negitive' about L.A. That's because it SUCKS here.
>I used to love it here. But after 42 years of seeing it go down
>the toilet, you'd feel the same.
>Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
>it will soon turn into a nightmare, and you will see that what I say
>is the honest truth, and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
>
>Trust me. Pick someplace else.
>
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>-----------------------------------------
>See "Why Los Angeles & California SUCK!!!"
The Devil's Advocate
>Thank you for replying to my post in alt.California and for directing me to
>your
>Site. I have read every page of it and I know what you mean, I understand
>your
>negativity.
Although he does bring up some real problems of California, they are
mulitiplied 100 fold.
>Though I do not know LA, my wife is from Daisy Avenue, Long
>Beach.
>She is your age. She remembers when as a child she slept on Redondo Beach
>all
>night and she remembers the days when downtown Long Beach was a resort area.
>Recently we inquired about a condo in LB and when the agent found out we had
>kids (and were white), he would not even give us details. He said, Signal
>Hill is as
>near as you should get to LB if you want to live!!!!!
I am not all that familiar with the South Bay area since I live in the
San Fernando Valley 45 minutes to the north. But I have heard that
there are nice neighborhoods in Long Beach. It also happens to be the
area that produced Snoop Doggy Dogg. So you just have to know your
geography. One of LA's peculiarities is the stark contrast between
nice neighborhoods and good ones. You have Palos Verdes(near Long
Beach), one of the nicest, prettiest and wealthiest areas in America
yet alone LA, which is right above the industrial jungle of Wilmington
with the poorer surrounding places nearby. In the San Fernando Valley,
you have only a couple of blocks between wealthy business districe The
Warner Center, and the almost 3rd world barrios of Canogo Park.
>HOWEVER, I must say this. sadly, and ironically, I had a sister murdered in
>a quite
>English country village thirty years ago. So it never pays to generalize too
>much.
True. Many people have made the mistake Herder makes in assuming that
middle America is a paradise on earth and have ran into the same
problems they thought they were leaving instead of confronting them.
These "flighters" will never learn. When weeds pop up, you don't run
to the part of the lawn with no weeds, and when weeds start popping up
there, run to another part without weeds. Logic would tell you that
sooner or later you'll run out of havens. The weeds need to be stamped
out before they have a chance to become overwhelming.
>Also 75% of the worlds richest people live in Southern California. It is
>pretty, and
>the weather is good, and in some area like Ojai (which is not too expensive
>for the
>middle classes) the school system is said to be amongst the best anywhere.
>DO
>YOU AGREE?
I've been near it. It is a beautiful place with tall mountains all
around.
>
>ALSO, let me ask a local expert, like yourself, about the future. Sure
>things have
>been getting worse from all accounts, but is there not an inner city
>come-back.
Not really. the middle classes of the inner city tend to move to the
suburbs furthering the economic decline of these areas. Crime is
supposedly down, but not by any huge margin. The corrosion of inner
cities is a serious problem in the U.S. and much of it has to do with
middle class people fleeing and taking their wealth with them leaving
an economic vacumn behind them. That is why downtown LA is probably
about the worst place you can find in any first world country.
>Does
>not all that cheap mexican labor make life easy for the middle classes that
>you
>portray as persecuted?
Only when it comes to buying fruit and picking up movers to help with
furniture.
>And looking at the economics, if it is really that
>bad why do
>houses cost $275,000?
Good question. It's about supply and demand. It *costs* to live in
this state. Since Cal. is the most populous state, naturally housing
costs will reflect this. Outside of the major cities though, housing
cost aren't much different than that of middle America. You can buy
some pretty cheap property in California if you don't mind living out
in the middle of the desert.
>My wife moved from LA to East Texas ranch country, and
>there that money buys 200 acres and a farm house: So why is there not MORE
>white flight?
There are many whites that are forced to live here because of the
entertainment industry, the computer industry and aerospace, et al.
Btw, many blacks have fled LA as well and moved to the south. Maybe
even in number equaling whites percentage wise.
>Are there more LA / Southern California news groups? I note you have put
>great
>effort into your analysis of LA, and you Site contains a lot of good
>thinking, but
>95% of the comments on alt.Califrnia are abusive and shallow. I would sure
>like to
>talk with a bunch of people with more brains showing.
Tell me about it!
ba...@earthlink.net
In article <3507845e...@news.earthlink.net>,
Actually London is not much better except for the gun situation. London
is basically like New York City with gun control. ( I know NY has had
strict gun laws since the twenties but they are effectively undercut by
the leniency of other eastern states like Vermont and Virginia, whereas
all of Britain's neighbours have equally strict laws - Germany's are
even stricter. For those who associate gun control with " liberalisimos ",
it is important to remember that the gun laws in the UK were made stricter
by the Tories and that British conservatives have generally favoured
strict gun laws for most of the century. It is only by accident that this
has become a liberal issue, basically because only Democratic Party pols
have been assassinated. If GOP members get assassinated, watch the Repub-
licans do an about face on the matter. Actually my pro-gun friends seem
to expect an end to the right to bear arms far more than anti-gunners ).
> >I used to love it here. But after 42 years of seeing it go down
> >the toilet, you'd feel the same.
>
> Btw, fleeing to another city doesn't solve any problems, it only
> prolongs them until the big city problems catch up with middle
> America, as is happening all over the place. Only confronting problems
> solves them. You hate LA so much...have you ever participated in any
> grassroots organization to "take LA back" or do you just sit there
> idly wishing you were living in Madison, WI while concurrently
> attempting to demolish LA's tourist industry by encouraging people to
> not visit and to persuade the good people of LA to run for the hills?
> People have to get over this notion that running to somewhere else is
> a solution. In fact it is a major in factor in the crude status of our
> downtowns. Well, I think Palmdale is a perfect example of what we can
> expect in middle America in a few years. Palmdale was originally a
> flight city of LA and the SFV.
Just as the SFV was originally a flight city of LA...
People could move there for the same
> reasons they might move to Cheyenne, WY. Cheaper property, safe, no
> gangs, traffic, etc. A few years later, everybody else "got hip" to
> what was going on
It had to do with low property values. The rents there are cheaper than
downtown LA, east-central Hollywood, or even South Central. Actually the
Antelope Valley has become a true counterpart of the many suburban slums
that ring other cities, like Nezahualcoyoatl and the rest of the " Ring of
Misery " adjacent to the Distrito Federal, or the scummier parts of the
Paris banileue, Getafe near Madrid, certain parts of New Jersey, etc.
and relocated there, including the gangs, taggers
> and nazi skinheads. What was once a safe haven from Los Angeles has
> become a desert microcosm of LA. The same can be said of the
> megalopolis outskirts of the inland empire.
Which basically went from white ( with some Mexican-American )trash to
multiracial trash.
Simi Valley seems to be
> pretty intact, and it is probably attributable to a greater sense of
> community there than is to be found in LA.
Its probably attributable to Ventura County being better run than
Los Angeles, San Bernadino,or Riverside counties.
So when you keep blathering
> about leaving California, just keep in mind that the very problems you
> are attempting to leave are only a few footsteps behind you if the
> problems aren't confronted head on. If you hate the LA city council,
> well then do something about it.
How about running for office ? Herder wouldn't be any worse than
Holden, Hernandez, Goldberg or Galanter.
If you hate gangs, well then become
> active in the community and put tougher legislation on the board to
> crack down on them. If you don't like illegal immigration(as you said
> you feel like you're in Mexico on your page) then organize to
> crackdown on businesses that hire them. If enough people feel like you
> then it will happen. But doing nothing but complaining accomplishes
> nothing. I remember seeing on the news a story about some town in
> Arizona where some militia/vigilantes had decided to take back their
> community and patrol on horseback themselves. And they were
> successful. Although the militia types may not be my cup of tea
> idealogically and politically, I gave them credit for "standing
> ground."
>
> >Sure.. your 'dream' may be to live here, but I can assure you,
> >it will soon turn into a nightmare,
>
> Well, the biggest nightmare I could have is to wake up living in some
> moutainless, drab, bland nothing of a town such as Des Moines or
> Omaha.
Damn straight. My sentiments exactly !
> >and you will see that what I say
> >is the honest truth, and wish to God you'd never even heard of the place.
> >
> >Trust me. Pick someplace else.
>
> There are many great towns in California. Especially the coastal towns
> like Santa Barbara, San Juan Capistrano, Newport Beach, Huntington
> Beach, Santa Cruz, San Francisco, Santa Monica. I haven't spent much
> time in Ventura, but it looks nice.
I'd agree with you.
And the Mexican border is only a
> short drive away and there is plenty of interesting culture, music and
> food south of the border. Although not in California, I've heard other
> Pacific cities such as Portland, OR and Seattle are great.
Portland is pretty nice for the western US cities. It has a civilised air
about it. A friend of mine who lives in Berne, Switzerland, said that when
he takes the plane from Berne to Portland, it would be like not leaving
the same city except for the fact that he has to change planes in LA. I
can see that. I've never been to Seattle - I've heard many different
things. I know plenty of people from Cal. have gone up there and there is
resentment against them because they have brought the crime of California
up there with them. From what I've heard Seattle is like a cross between
LA and SF. Vancouver is supposed to be very nice though, and certainly is
a favourite with the film industry to shoot things as its a lot cheaper and
the labour laws are more lenient.
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Angelmoon
d...@cheetah.net wrote in article <35076ab...@news.cheetah.net>...
LOL! You can sing and chew gum at the same time? That's pretty good.
Brains AND talent! :)
The Devil's Advocate
On 12 Mar 1998 01:26:00 GMT, "Jeff Yale" <x...@x.com> wrote:
>You have been watching too much TV.
>
>LA is a Brown Third World Shit Hole (TM)!!!
>
>But it is a great place to visit if you want TB.
Jeff, places like Montana and N. Idaho were made for people like you.
Why don't you please depart for one of these areas A.S.A.P. We
certainly can do without you in LA.
JackF
ba...@earthlink.net wrote in article <6e9t83$8a3$1...@nnrp1.dejanews.com>...
> In article <3507845e...@news.earthlink.net
> can see that. I've never been to Seattle - I've heard many different
> things. I know plenty of people from Cal. have gone up there and there is
> resentment against them because they have brought the crime of California
Here is a joke I read in Reader's digest when a lot of californians were
moving to washington/seattle:
Three men went into a bar one night, a man from Texas, one from California,
and one from Washington. They all stood up at the bar and the Texan yelled
out, "barkeep! Gimme a bottle of your best Tequila!" The bartender brought
the bottle, whereupon the texan tossed it up in the air, whipped out a
pistol and shot it while it was flying. The bartender yelled, "what in the
hell did you do that for?!!" The texan replied, "I'm from texas, texans is
tough, and we got lots of good tequila in texas!" The californian then
called out for a bottle of the best wine they had. The bartender set it in
front of him, and the californian tossed it up in the air, grabbed the gun
from the texan, and shot the wine bottle airborne. The barkeep asked him
also, "what in the hell did you do that for?!!" The californian said, "I'm
from california, we're tough too, and we got lots of good wine in
california!" Then the man from Washington called out for a bottle of their
best beer. The bartender brought it to him(albeit wincing as he did so),
whereupon the man tossed it into the air, grabbed the pistol from the
californian, shot the californian in the chest, caught the bottle on its
way down, popped the top and started sipping it. Finally noticing the
incredulous looks from the bartender and the texan, he said, "look, I'm
from washington, we're tough too, but we got way too many californians
there, we know you can never have enough beer, and besides, this bottle
might be returnable."
JackF<8P