A wonderful snapshot of Hispanic life in Old Mexico
Hisler
majority?
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/322086
NOGALES, Sonora � A wave of narco-fueled violence this month has
served as a harsh reminder that the bloodshed that erupted last
year in this border city hasn't slowed down.
On Dec. 8, there were six shootouts that left five dead and three
wounded. A threat from gunmen to finish off one of the wounded
still inside a city hospital forced the evacuation of 62 employees
and seven patients. And police found four large banners with
messages from drug cartels hanging from city bridges.
The violence continued the following week with the discovery of a
murdered body wrapped in a sheet and duct tape and the discovery of
six bodies half-buried in a construction zone.
On Friday, police found a man's body in a plastic container bearing
drug-related messages. Farther to the west in Sonora the same day,
police found six bullet-ridden, decomposing bodies partially buried
on a dirt road near the highway to Puerto Pe�asco. The resort town,
also known as Rocky Point, is popular with Arizona vacationers.
The spate of violence prompted Sonoran Gov. Guillermo Padr�s El�as
on Dec. 14 to call for 1,000 additional federal agents to restore
calm to the state of Sonora. It's unknown when they will arrive,
but more state police have already arrived along with a helicopter
that flies above the city now.
There were 116 killings through Dec. 15, compared with 125 for all
of 2008, according to a tally maintained by the El Imparcial
newspaper. The latest official figures available from the Sonoran
government show that there were 101 killings registered in Nogales
through November � two more than at the same time last year. There
were 50 killings in 2007.
The spike in violence has been attributed to the deadly battles
between the powerful Beltran Leyva and Chapo Guzman cartels, who
are vying for control of the prized Sonora-Arizona corridor.
The killing Thursday of cartel kingpin Arturo Beltran Leyva, the
leader of the Beltran Leyva cartel, will certainly have some impact
on the ongoing battle, but officials say it's too early to predict
what exactly will occur.
Beltran was killed by Mexican navy special forces who raided an
upscale apartment complex in Cuernavaca, triggering a two-hour
gunbattle in the city just south of Mexico City, according to a
navy statement. Three other members of the cartel were killed and
another committed suicide, the navy said.
The Mexican government had listed Arturo Beltran Leyva as one its
24 most-wanted drug lords and had offered a $2.1 million reward for
his capture.
"The reign of Arturo Beltran Leyva is over," said the acting
administrator of the Drug Enforcement Administration, Michele
Leonhart. "His death has dealt a crippling blow to one of the most
violent cartels in the world."
Nogales residents hope the killing will mean an end to the
violence, but all the cartel battles of the past year seem to have
made them more accustomed to the brutality of drug violence.
"We are a little less afraid than before," said Juan Martinez
Rodriguez in Spanish. The 47-year-old is a taxi driver and father
of two. "We have realized that the war is between them and not with
the citizens. But the killings continue."
Residents should be cautious but not worried, said the assistant
police chief in Nogales, Sonora, Adalberto Padilla Molina. The
battles are nearly exclusively criminals against criminals or
criminals against law enforcement. And municipal, state and federal
police are working together to contain the cartels, he said.
"These events alarm the public, but the public should have
confidence in their authorities," Padilla said. "We are attacking
this head-on. We are not sitting here with our arms crossed."
He concedes, though, that innocent bystanders have been injured in
the crossfire. Three people were hurt during the Dec. 8 events, he
said. They were released from the hospital shortly after the
incident, he said.
The worry about being in the wrong place at the wrong time is a
principal reason violence hovers over the city like a black cloud.
Martinez said he worries about getting caught up in the crossfire
and getting hit by a stray bullet. Fellow taxi driver Julio Lora
Valdez said he and his family avoid being out late even though he
knows the shootouts occur at all hours of the day.
Padilla hopes residents never get used to the violence.
"Nobody, in any part of the world, can get ever become accustomed
to these type of situations," Padilla said. "We are fighting so the
peace and calm returns to the residents of Nogales."
Reasons the same
On the morning of Dec. 8, police found three banners hanging from a
city bridge. The "narcomantas," which include messages from cartels
to rival cartels, individuals or the government, have become common
in Nogales.
"We don't want Beltranes in Nogales, sincerely La Plaza," one of
the banners said in Spanish. La Plaza is the Chapo Guzman cartel.
The Beltranes refers to the Beltran Leyva cartel.
The combustible situation that caused killings to spike in Nogales,
Sonora, in 2008 remains the same: The two powerful cartels are
"jockeying for influence" within the Sonora-Arizona corridor, says
Anthony Coulson, Drug Enforcement Administration assistant special
agent in charge of the Tucson District Office.
"The more influence you have, the more dope you can pass through,"
Coulson said.
The corridor remains prime real estate for drug-smuggling
organizations because the combination of cities and roads on both
sides of the border and vast expanses in a harsh desert climate
make it difficult for law enforcement to stop the smugglers. Law
enforcement in Arizona seized a record 1.6 million pounds of
marijuana in 2009, show figures from the Arizona High Intensity
Drug Trafficking Area, or HIDTA. Nogales is the epicenter,
accounting for 60 percent of all drugs that come into Arizona, he
says.
The battling cartels have stopped short of all-out warfare because
they know it would bring too much attention to the area and clog up
their drug-smuggling routes, Coulson said. But killings are normal,
as they settle debts or struggle for territory. Neither group has
total control of the corridor, meaning movement within the region
creates friction � and sometimes bloodshed.
The other element that creates tension is that Mexican President
Felipe Calder�n's campaign to weaken the cartels continues. The
government has been putting the army along known drug-smuggling
routes and trying to snuff out corruption. These activities disrupt
drug smugglers' ability to get their loads across the border,
causing panic and uncertainty among drug smugglers, Coulson said.
The DEA called the killing of Beltran this week a major victory for
Calder�n's campaign.
Tourism
Store owners sit outside their small shops on the sidewalks of
Avenida Obreg�n in downtown Nogales, Sonora. When one of the few
shoppers walks by, the merchants break out their best sales pitch.
It's mid-December � what used to be the heart of peak season for
shops that sell anything from curios to leather goods � and there's
no movement on the streets.
The uptick in violence, on the heels of the economic recession in
the U.S., has kept tourists away. Many businesses have closed and
others, like the curio where Antonio Quiroz works, are on the
brink.
"Four or five years ago, you couldn't walk along here," said
Quiroz, pointing to the empty sidewalks. "They don't want to come
here because of the violence."
Nogales, Sonora, officials have created a special tourism police
and cleaned up and renovated the streets. And shop owners and
police say the shootouts occur elsewhere.
But news reports of the cartel battles don't sit well with
potential tourists, Quiroz said.
"The American thinks they are going to get hit by a stray bullet,"
he said.
It doesn't help that the U.S. State Department's travel alert for
Mexico still includes a specific mention of Nogales: "Ciudad
Juarez, Tijuana and Nogales are among the cities which have
experienced public shootouts during daylight hours in shopping
centers and other public venues."
Padilla, the assistant police chief, calls that wording unfair.
Mexican law enforcement meets regularly with U.S. officials to
inform them about their operations to keep people safe, he said.
"It's not fair because they know what we are doing here," Padilla
said. "The tourism police works with other law enforcement to
protect tourists so they can come to do their shopping, have fun
and walk around."
Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS
september.org:
> Is this what the U.S. has to look forward to when Hispanics become a
> majority?
>
Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
immigration of these monsters.
Tim Crowley
<xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
>
> Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
> immigration of these monsters.
the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
and they wonder why they can't win?
Iconoclast
The American Indians played nice and look what became of them. Same
with the aborigines in Australia. Same with the Eskimos in Canada.
Playing nice to invaders brings ruin. Just look at Tibet and their
silly Dalai Lama for a modern day example of playing nice to the
invader and what it results in.
Tim Crowley
> On Dec 20, 9:19 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > On Dec 20, 7:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
> > > immigration of these monsters.
>
> > the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
>
> > and they wonder why they can't win?
>
> The American Indians played nice and look what became of them.
Do you have a point?
My god. Please study history. Why are all racists so ignorant and so
cowardly. fuck, you lack the courage of your own convictions so much
you must hide. how do you think you can convince a proud American
Man?
hint: hide. it's all you racist kkkunts can do.
Gunner Asch
Its fascinating how you Leftwing Retards keep referring to everyone as
Racists, when frankly..its been the Left that has the deepest forms of
racism in the past 100 yrs.
No wonder the Klan was owned and operated by the Democrats for so long.
Gunner
"First Law of Leftist Debate
The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
homophobe approaches infinity.
This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
the subject." Grey Ghost
Iconoclast
Why your preoccupation with hiding? Stalin killed 60 million people
right out in the open. Pol Pot and Robert Mugabe killed millions
right out in the open. Do you therefore consider them men of great
courage? I figure you for some long haired, blonde ageing hippy who
is full of hate for America and white people -- a George Wallace or
Lester Maddox who hates white people and feels all good and righteous
and holier than thou because you hate whites instead of people of
color. You know, a Jim Jones type. I eagerly await you venomous,
hate-filled response
Gunner Asch
Very well said!
Bravo!
Tim Crowley
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:06:39 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 20, 8:45 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 20, 9:19 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 20, 7:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> >> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
> >> > > immigration of these monsters.
>
> >> > the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
>
> >> > and they wonder why they can't win?
>
> >> The American Indians played nice and look what became of them.
>
> >Do you have a point?
> >My god. Please study history. Why are all racists so ignorant and so
> >cowardly. fuck, you lack the courage of your own convictions so much
> >you must hide. how do you think you can convince a proud American
> >Man?
>
> >hint: hide. it's all you racist kkkunts can do.
>
> Its fascinating how you Leftwing Retards
I actually lean towards Conservatism. But don't let facts confuse
you.
Tim Crowley
> On Dec 20, 10:06 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> > On Dec 20, 8:45 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>
> > > On Dec 20, 9:19 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> > > > On Dec 20, 7:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> > > > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> > > > > Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
> > > > > immigration of these monsters.
>
> > > > the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
>
> > > > and they wonder why they can't win?
>
> > > The American Indians played nice and look what became of them.
>
> > Do you have a point?
> > My god. Please study history. Why are all racists so ignorant and so
> > cowardly. fuck, you lack the courage of your own convictions so much
> > you must hide. how do you think you can convince a proud American
> > Man?
>
> > hint: hide. it's all you racist kkkunts can do.
>
> Why your preoccupation with hiding?
I'm not the one hiding. So, you tell me. Why are all racist scum such
cowards?
Tim Crowley
>
>
>
>
>
> >On Dec 20, 8:45 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
> >> On Dec 20, 9:19 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> >> > On Dec 20, 7:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>
> >> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> >> > > Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
> >> > > immigration of these monsters.
>
> >> > the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
>
> >> > and they wonder why they can't win?
>
> >> The American Indians played nice and look what became of them.
>
> >Do you have a point?
> >My god. Please study history. Why are all racists so ignorant and so
> >cowardly. fuck, you lack the courage of your own convictions so much
> >you must hide. how do you think you can convince a proud American
> >Man?
>
> >hint: hide. it's all you racist kkkunts can do.
>
> Its fascinating how you Leftwing Retards
I actually lean towards Conservatism. But don't let facts confuse
you.
Iconoclast
>
> - Show quoted text -
Let's get back to the subject, a tale of your Hispanic heroes. They
hide behind masks as they torture, rape and kill other Hispanics.
You're so blind that you don't see what these Mexicans do to their own
kind every day while you act like you're some kind of hero for calling
white people racists for trying to keep the Mexican scourge out of the
USA. You're a pathetic anti-white racist.
http://www.azstarnet.com/sn/border/322086
NOGALES, Sonora — A wave of narco-fueled violence this month has
served as a harsh reminder that the bloodshed that erupted last
year in this border city hasn't slowed down.
On Dec. 8, there were six shootouts that left five dead and three
wounded. A threat from gunmen to finish off one of the wounded
still inside a city hospital forced the evacuation of 62 employees
and seven patients. And police found four large banners with
messages from drug cartels hanging from city bridges.
The violence continued the following week with the discovery of a
murdered body wrapped in a sheet and duct tape and the discovery of
six bodies half-buried in a construction zone.
On Friday, police found a man's body in a plastic container bearing
drug-related messages. Farther to the west in Sonora the same day,
police found six bullet-ridden, decomposing bodies partially buried
on a dirt road near the highway to Puerto Peñasco. The resort town,
also known as Rocky Point, is popular with Arizona vacationers.
The spate of violence prompted Sonoran Gov. Guillermo Padrés Elías
on Dec. 14 to call for 1,000 additional federal agents to restore
calm to the state of Sonora. It's unknown when they will arrive,
but more state police have already arrived along with a helicopter
that flies above the city now.
There were 116 killings through Dec. 15, compared with 125 for all
of 2008, according to a tally maintained by the El Imparcial
newspaper. The latest official figures available from the Sonoran
government show that there were 101 killings registered in Nogales
through November — two more than at the same time last year. There
creates friction — and sometimes bloodshed.
The other element that creates tension is that Mexican President
Felipe Calderón's campaign to weaken the cartels continues. The
government has been putting the army along known drug-smuggling
routes and trying to snuff out corruption. These activities disrupt
drug smugglers' ability to get their loads across the border,
causing panic and uncertainty among drug smugglers, Coulson said.
The DEA called the killing of Beltran this week a major victory for
Calderón's campaign.
Tourism
Store owners sit outside their small shops on the sidewalks of
Avenida Obregón in downtown Nogales, Sonora. When one of the few
shoppers walks by, the merchants break out their best sales pitch.
It's mid-December — what used to be the heart of peak season for
shops that sell anything from curios to leather goods — and there's
Iconoclast
> On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 23:36:53 -0800 (PST), Iconoclast
>
>
>
>
>
Thank you, Gunner. Merry Christmas.
>
> "First Law of Leftist Debate
> The more you present a leftist with factual evidence
> that is counter to his preconceived world view and the
> more difficult it becomes for him to refute it without
> losing face the chance of him calling you a racist, bigot,
> homophobe approaches infinity.
>
> This is despite the thread you are in having not mentioned
> race or sexual preference in any way that is relevant to
> the subject." Grey Ghost- Hide quoted text -
Gunner Asch
If Trotsky leaned over to scratch his right ass cheek...he would also be
leaning to the Right..but....he would still be Trotsky, no?
Gunner Asch
<gold...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>>
>> >Why your preoccupation with hiding? �Stalin killed 60 million people
>> >right out in the open. �Pol Pot and Robert Mugabe killed millions
>> >right out in the open. �Do you therefore consider them men of great
>> >courage? �I figure you for some long haired, blonde ageing hippy who
>> >is full of hate for America and white people -- a George Wallace or
>> >Lester Maddox who hates white people and feels all good and righteous
>> >and holier than thou because you hate whites instead of people of
>> >color. �You know, a Jim Jones type. �I eagerly await you venomous,
>> >hate-filled response
>>
>> Very well said!
>>
>> Bravo!
>>
>> Gunner
>
>Thank you, Gunner. Merry Christmas.
And Merry Christmas to you and yours as well!
And to everyone reading these posts!
Gunner
ne...@millions.com
<gun...@lightspeed.net> wrote:
>On Sun, 20 Dec 2009 21:06:39 -0800 (PST), Tim Crowley
><timmyt...@gmail.com> wrote:
>
>>On Dec 20, 8:45 pm, Iconoclast <goldst...@nym.hush.com> wrote:
>>> On Dec 20, 9:19 pm, Tim Crowley <timmyturm...@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > On Dec 20, 7:41 pm, "Speeders & Drunk Drivers are MURDERERS"
>>>
>>> > <xeton2...@yahoo.com> wrote:
>>>
>>> > > Yes it is. Mexicans are dumb lawless animals. We need to end even legal
>>> > > immigration of these monsters.
>>>
>>> > the true voice of the anti-immigration movement.
>>>
>>> > and they wonder why they can't win?
>>>
>>> The American Indians played nice and look what became of them.
>>
>>Do you have a point?
>>My god. Please study history. Why are all racists so ignorant and so
>>cowardly. fuck, you lack the courage of your own convictions so much
>>you must hide. how do you think you can convince a proud American
>>Man?
>>
>>
>>hint: hide. it's all you racist kkkunts can do.
>
>
>Its fascinating how you Leftwing Retards keep referring to everyone as
>Racists, when frankly..its been the Left that has the deepest forms of
>racism in the past 100 yrs.
>
>No wonder the Klan was owned and operated by the Democrats for so long.
>
>Gunner
Great avenue for marketing sheets.
DCI
ne...@millions.com
. . . and don't let your ass hit the floor from faux leaning.
Merry Christmas.
DCI
ne...@millions.com
They are neither racist scum nor cowards. They wonder just why your
one-trick pony has been sent to the glue factory.
DCI
ne...@millions.com
Why not?! The facts have never facts confuse you and your one-trick
pony.
DCI
Day Brown
> Start killing illegal Mexican's where found?
A better solution, since talented professional white women do not give
birth often enuf, is to bribe poor women to accept fertility clinic egg
donation. They are going to be giving birth anyway, and it'd be much
more rewarding for them as well as provide a splendid return to the tax
payers for the cost of welfare.
Of course, immigrant men would do all they could to get what they think
are their women out of the USA asap.