Should we upgrade from 14 to 2000?
Jordan Marr
almost hate to upgrade since I don't have any problems (if it ain't broke,
don't fix it.. right? )
Jordan
John Lloyd
Plus Autodesks "tailcoat marketing" strategy of calling R15 2000 does
hoodwink us right?
We all know that from experience, odd number AutoCad releases should be
avoided/skipped.
John
B C Jones
13 WAS a dog, 11 was ok, 9 was good......................and as I recall 1
was the best thing (at the time) between linen and Mylar.
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John Lloyd wrote in message <37950C37...@net-tech.com.au>...
Jim Strenk
Check the Autodesk web site for a list of new features introduced into AutoCAD
2000.
Other than THAT Mrs. Lincoln, how was the play?
James S. Strenk
President, AccuCAD Corporation
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David Hansen
firms that use 14, but we may buy the upgrade late in the year, while we
still can, and just not install it. (Since you are required to stop using
the older version once you upgrade)
David Hansen
Transmetrics, Inc
4010 Moorpark Ave Suite 112
San Jose, CA 95117
(408) 984-7794
The Seeker
(the balance of our seats are Mechanical Desktop 3.0) to r14. When I did
this, I also stepped up to the Mechanical package (2d, not 3d) and I got
Genius 14 for free on all the seats. The really neat part about the whole
thing IS the unexpected benefits of Genius (this is my first personal
exposure to it) - I've had this software in place for about three weeks, and
based on this morning's numbers, I've already seen the entire investment
paid off!!
I know your question is about r14 - 2000 upgrading, but based on the beta
I've seen I'll be just as impressed!!!
Jordan Marr wrote in message ...
d...@suttonkennerly.com
>almost hate to upgrade since I don't have any problems (if it ain't broke,
>don't fix it.. right? )
R2000 seems to be nothing more than a corporate decision to make money. I
can find nobody that has any real benefit from the upgrade. I find nobody
that wants to upgrade but is doing so for 1 of 2 reasons: (1) they want to
be prepared if a client sends a R2000 file, (2) they fear AutoDesk will
charge a lot more to go from R14 to R2001. Both reasons are BOGUS! I
recommend to all that they DO NOT buy R2000 and force AutoDesk to rethink
how they will charge you to go to R2001 if you don't own R2000. (I hear
that if you use 3D you might actually benefit a little from R2000.)
Otherwise, if AutoDesk keeps about their greedy way, they will push all the
2D people out of their market and another company will take over.
(Do you know that there is NO difference in file structure between R14 and
R2000? That means the incompatability was by design and not necessity!)
Paul Turvill
without changes in the file structure from R14?
BTW, I'm not defending A2K or Autodesk; for many users, the upgrade to
A2K will be of little or no benefit. But I think you'll find that there
are several significant differences in "file structure" between R14 and
A2K...
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Alan Ball
as a contract draughtsman have used all versions in-between. For the first
few weeks I have to admit that I did spend a bit of time pulling my hair
out!!!!. But after a couple of months of use I am now getting used to, and
enjoying 2000. Being a full blown windows version it sure is good to be
able to open a number of drawings and copy at will between drawings, and
even change entities on one drawing to that of another. I found the new
mouse menu a pain, and gave up!! difficult to teach old dogs new trick's!!.
But Autodesk has given the user such a wide range of set-ups that you can
customise to suit yourself without too much of a problem. But having been a
CAD Manager, I think standardisation in a large offices could be a problem.
If you are into 3D layouts, being able to pan around the floor of a large
building in shaded mode is great, and the new Orbit options add a lot to the
use of 3D.
Hope this helps in your decision.
Alan
J.Palme
>
> >What are the advantages of 2000 over 14? 14 gets the job done, and I'd
> >almost hate to upgrade since I don't have any problems (if it ain't broke,
> >don't fix it.. right? )
>
> R2000 seems to be nothing more than a corporate decision to make money. I
> can find nobody that has any real benefit from the upgrade. I find nobody
> that wants to upgrade but is doing so for 1 of 2 reasons: (1) they want to
> be prepared if a client sends a R2000 file, (2) they fear AutoDesk will
> charge a lot more to go from R14 to R2001. Both reasons are BOGUS! I
> recommend to all that they DO NOT buy R2000 and force AutoDesk to rethink
> how they will charge you to go to R2001 if you don't own R2000. (I hear
Ahhh!! You have heard!! You don't know it yourself! I guess you don't
even know ACAD2000! But you are so brave to give others recommendations
what they have to do (or better, what they should not do - NOT to buy
AutoCAD2000). I'd recommend to YOU, you should learn more about ACAD2000
at first, how to use it and it's new features (OSNAPS, DesignCenter,
MDI, Visuals LISP, Line weight, QuickDim, new Layer tools, 3DSolid
editing, Hyperlinks and much much more) and THEN public any opinions
about this product!
Without doubt I agree with you - Autodesk must stop to go this "greedy
way"...
Juergen
PS: My answer to Jordan Marr's original posting: I'd recommend to
upgrade - if the new features are useful for you (I don't know, what a
kind of drawing you have to create)
J.Palme
>
> I Have used AutoCAD since 2.5 and have just upgraded to 2000 from R12, but
> as a contract draughtsman have used all versions in-between. For the first
> few weeks I have to admit that I did spend a bit of time pulling my hair
> out!!!!. But after a couple of months of use I am now getting used to, and
> enjoying 2000. Being a full blown windows version it sure is good to be
> able to open a number of drawings and copy at will between drawings, and
> even change entities on one drawing to that of another. I found the new
You can deactivate the new behavior of the rigth mouse button in the
options dialog box - tab user settings.
HTH
Juergen
d...@suttonkennerly.com
>even know ACAD2000! But you are so brave to give others recommendations
>what they have to do (or better, what they should not do - NOT to buy
>AutoCAD2000). I'd recommend to YOU, you should learn more about ACAD2000
>at first, how to use it and it's new features (OSNAPS, DesignCenter,
>MDI, Visuals LISP, Line weight, QuickDim, new Layer tools, 3DSolid
>editing, Hyperlinks and much much more) and THEN public any opinions
>about this product!
My point was if you are considering an upgrade as I am, please make sure you
upgrade for the right reasons. If you decide to upgrade, I hope it was not
because "everyone else is" or becasue you fear AutoDesk will charge you
double next time. If you do, then you are fueling the bandwagon and this is
not a good trend to start. I am not convinced we should upgrade because
nobody can list any benefits that are worth the time and costs. I am
learning quite a bit about ACAD2000 in discussions like these just by
publicising my opinions. I also will continue to recommend that people
think before they act. The list of new features you present deserve
consideration but my 35 ACAD draftsmen assure me that those items are not
worth the trouble for our business. Perhaps you could share with us you
opinion of the value of this upgrade for a 2D firm. (For those of us who
have only HEARD of the lack of new features.)
>Without doubt I agree with you - Autodesk must stop to go this "greedy
>way"...
However, if people insist on buying upgrades because they exist, it would be
stupid for AutoDesk not to capitalize on that opportunity.
B C Jones
companies are FOR PROFIT, not just to make you happy? If making you helps
make profits, fine. If pissing you off does not cause profits to fall, fine.
I've heard the same crap time and time again, started in 1983 or so.
DROP IT.
USE SOMETHING ELSE if you can.
Above all, Get over it.
I for one am encouraging my company (40 seats) to upgrade after the first of
the year during our more quite time. Just like I did for the R14 upgrade
(NOT R13!) from R12. Just like I did to R12, R11, R10.................R1.2
at my previous employer.
I hope some of you are happy with R11, DOS, and a 386 with 64K and a 10 meg
drive AND your Model T. If you want to trade down to a horse and buggy, I
MAY be able to dig out a copy of R9 (or would the buggy part be R13??????)
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Jordan Marr wrote in message ...
>What are the advantages of 2000 over 14? 14 gets the job done, and I'd
>almost hate to upgrade since I don't have any problems (if it ain't broke,
>don't fix it.. right? )
>
>
>Jordan
>
>
>
any...@utahis.com
or "Micro station" or do they fit in the Model T class also. I've used them both
and they, in some area's out perform Acad. 2000 ( there's profit and there
greed) Its sound to me like you really like to spend your company's money. Oh by
the way I use Auto Cad 2000
and not by choice.
Ron
JohnS
J.Palme <jpa...@debitel.net> wrote in message
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> Alan Ball wrote:
> >
<snip>
>I found the new
> > mouse menu a pain, and gave up!! - snip -
>
> You can deactivate the new behavior of the rigth mouse button in the
> options dialog box - tab user settings.
>
> HTH
> Juergen
>
main menu. Things like a snap to the mid-point between two existing entities
(very useful in my type of work) that can only be activated using the pop0
menu.
I was on the verge of un-installing 2000 and going back to R14 when I found
the "MBUTTONPAN" system variable. Set this to 1 and, behold, You get full
use of the middle button on systems that recognize the button the way R14
did.
Also, you can control most of the functionality of the right mouse button by
setting it up in the preferences dialogue.
What I still haven't figured out is how to change properties of objects
without using the grips.
The biggest advantage I've found so far in 2000 over R14 is that it can
remember different plot styles for the same drawing. Which means that I
don't have to spend time resetting the plot configuration to go from 11X17
to 24X32 sheets. Do it one time and its there forever attached to the
drawing. Just remember to save it :)
B C Jones
linen, ink and nubs, wearing eye shades and living w/o air-conditioning.
ALL of which cost my company money. Throw in no computers, telephones,
electricity ...... I think I'm describing 1899! Welcome the OLD millennium!
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David Hansen
perhaps you should purchase the upgrade BEFORE the first of the year, then
PERFORM the upgrade during your slack time. I think the savings on 40 seats
would be about $100,000...
When we first upgraded to Win95/R13, I became a VERY popular CADD operator,
as MY computer could run R12 under Win95 (ok, old hat, but no one else there
tried it) - I was taken to lunch by everyone who wanted me to "fix" thier
machines to work like mine. Now I've been using R14 for 2 years, I can't
say that I miss R12 much at all.
David Hansen
Transmetrics, Inc
4010 Moorpark Ave Suite 112
San Jose, CA 95117
(408) 984-7794
B C Jones wrote:
Joseph Champelli
whole lot of buggy whip manufacturers around.
On Wed, 21 Jul 1999 09:54:39 +1000, John Lloyd <j...@net-tech.com.au>
wrote:
>Right.
>Plus Autodesks "tailcoat marketing" strategy of calling R15 2000 does
>hoodwink us right?
>We all know that from experience, odd number AutoCad releases should be
>avoided/skipped.
>John
>
>Jordan Marr wrote:
>
Joseph Champelli
about productivity, and all 2D related.
Top 10 reasons to upgrade to A2K.
Multiple Layouts in a single drawing. Create
multiple sheets that deal with the same model
without having to use multiple layer schemes or
x-refing.
Plot settings that reside in the drawing file.
AutoCAD Design Center that allows you to browse to any
file on your system and directly copy dimension styles,
layouts, blocks, layers linetypes, xrefs, textstyles.
Multiple documents open at one time.
Allowing seamless cut and paste between drawings.
Copy with Basepoint added to the cut copy paste
scenario.
Dimension toolbar now has a dropdown menu that lets you
seamlessly toggle between named dimension styles. Great
for dimensioning drawings that have multiply scaled
viewports.
Insert and create block dialog boxes easier to use.
Create a block and have the option of converting the
items to blocks or deleting them or leaving them as
is in the drawing.
Hyperlinking everything. We are in the processes of
hyperlinking our blocks to their scanned cutsheets.
I wrote a note in a drawing and hyperlinked the note
to another drawing.
Plot - Noplot option added to every layer.
Batch drawing converter that lets you convert entire
lists of drawings from ACAD 2000 to 14,13, or 12 and
vice-versa. And the list can be pulled from multiple
sub-directories.
These may look like simple additions that aren't worth
the cost, but I have done a few really crunch-deadlined
projects since upgrading and can directly relate their
success to these productivity enhancements.
There are two responses to various portions of this
list that I've received. The first is "Yeah, but in
R14 we get around that by..." to which my response
is. Yes, we've all played the hack dick-dance to get
a piece of software to behave the way we want it to.
I remember how to push start my old Volkswagon too,
but I'd rather just hop in the Porche and drive.
The point is that here it is, many improvements to
speed up productivity and it's all built in.
The other comment is. "Oh, that feature was available
in (insert other cad package name here) back in 199x."
This comment deserves no response. We're talking about
whether or not to go from one version of AutoCAD to another,
not the merits of one Program over the other.
Finally, if you're concerned with cost, or if you're not
upgrading because you feel that you do mainly 2D and the
upgrade isn't worth it, then get ACAD LT. Most of the
improvements are the same and the price is more palatable.
CJ
> What are the advantages of 2000 over 14? 14 gets the job done, and I'd
> almost hate to upgrade since I don't have any problems (if it ain't broke,
> don't fix it.. right? )
You're right in a sense:"if it ain't broke, why fix it?"...
I've read others' responses and all of them are interesting. Some are
"pro-upgrading" while some are "con-upgrading", which are fine...
Anyway, I asked my former professor about this ACAD 2000 issue, and basically
he said 3 things:
1. Yes, there are a few additional changes/upgrade which R2000 has *a slight*
advantage over R14(as some people already mentioned in here). Of course,
because in general most newer/upgrade version is "better" than the previous
ones.
2. But since most employers are still hiring/would still hire people with
experiences with R14, there is no real need to upgrade to R2000. R2000 is
basically like a R14B, with a few minor additional interface changes to "spice
it up"...
2. Thus, this is the "catchy" part, the cost of upgrading from R14, IS NOT
worth it(at least not right now). However if you're upgrading from say R13 or
lower, you might re-consider it.
So, in my opinion, the upgrade from R14 is NOT necessary, but for those who
have an extra cash, they probably will go for it. Personally, I'll wait for
another year or so and see what people are using then. :)
CJ