Did you know you can LEGALLY own a cable descrambler!
Joe
Hi,
I thought you would like to know about this website that I found for
cable TV Descramblers.
They offer a FREE 30 day trial on cable boxes. To see if it's available
in your area go to the following site:
http://www.cableboxsite.com/cgi-bin/a.pl?12467&1889
Respectfully,
Joe Porath
nosp...@notaol.com.invalid
wrote:
>I could be wrong but this sounds like crap. Anyone else other than Joe
>Porath have any information about this site?
And I'll bet you Joe, himself, doesn't have a lot knowledge or
information to provide you. You see, Joe has precious little to do
with the descramblers themselves. The code at the end of the URL is a
clear indicator Joe is nothing more than an agent for the site. By
spamming newsgroups Joe attempts to bring traffic to the site for
which he may receive some kind of renumeration. Of course, he will
receive a commission for any sales made should anyone be dumb enough
to buy an analog descrambler from him/them. But don't rely on Joe for
knowledge and information as Joe will possess no more information than
what each of you is able to glean from the web site as that is his
only source of information also.
Is it legal to own your own descrambler? This argument has persisted
for many, many years. The sellers of descramblers will want you to
believe it IS legal to own their product. What they won't tell you is
that it is NOT legal to USE their product to receive cable TV
programming for which you have not paid.
The cable TV descramblers offered through Joe Porath are analog
descramblers. There are no digital descramblers on the market at this
time and won't be for some time to come, in spite of what you read and
hear. As regards analog descramblers: Most cable companies are
converting to digital cable. As they do, premium and PPV channels are
being moved from the analog channel line-ups to the digital line-ups
where multiple versions of each channel may be offered. The remaining
balance of the analog line-up is passed through in-the-clear with no
descrambling whatsoever. Once this occurs in your local cable system,
there will be nothing left to descramble, hence, the money you pay to
buy an analog descrambler will have been wasted.
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Gary Tait
wrote:
>Thanks for enlightening me about this. I am just getting involved in
>all this descrambling stuff. I am also getting very tired of the cable
>companies raising their rates to unreachable levels. I mean, it's like
>$45 for basic/extended cable. When I first signed on with Comcast they
>were somewhere near $36. That was about two years ago. $9 in two years
>seems a bit excessive to me. I would do away with cable/satelittle
>altogether and just use the regular antenna, if not for the fact I
>live in te bottom of a hill and my reception really really sucks. I
>can only barely even get one channel. And that one doesn't even have
>hardly anything good on, except the weather, which I can get online.
>
>Anyway, the reason I am rambling is because I have a lot on my mind on
>this matter. If you would not purchase through Joe Parath, then who
>would you purchase through if you had to have a descrambler now?
>
>Thanks for your help,
And not be stealing, try the cable company. Why would the subscription
rates be your point in choosing to buyy, it only costs a couple of
bucks a month to rent, and no, owning your ownd descrabler does not
absolve you of the obligation to pay for the programming you are
receiving.
>
>CRasH180
nosp...@notaol.com.invalid
wrote:
>Thanks for enlightening me about this. I am just getting involved in
>all this descrambling stuff. I am also getting very tired of the cable
>companies raising their rates to unreachable levels. I mean, it's like
>$45 for basic/extended cable. When I first signed on with Comcast they
>were somewhere near $36. That was about two years ago. $9 in two years
>seems a bit excessive to me. I would do away with cable/satelittle
>altogether and just use the regular antenna, if not for the fact I
>live in te bottom of a hill and my reception really really sucks. I
>can only barely even get one channel. And that one doesn't even have
>hardly anything good on, except the weather, which I can get online.
>
>Anyway, the reason I am rambling is because I have a lot on my mind on
>this matter. If you would not purchase through Joe Parath, then who
>would you purchase through if you had to have a descrambler now?
>
>Thanks for your help,
>
>CRasH180
>
If you're asking how you might circumvent (what you consider) rates
that have risen too high, I'm afraid you're asking the wrong person.
There is no product or service anywhere whose theft is ever justified
by its cost; least of all television. You'd know and understand that
concept instantly and fully if someone or some group of people were to
begin stealing the products or services manufactured and sold by your
own employer whose income from its own sales provides the revenue that
also provides your income. Nor is television, for all of its
perceived value, something you absolutely MUST have.
Are you a thief? Would it bother you if your children, parents or
other members of your own family saw that the way you dealt with what
you considered the inequities in your life was to steal? Would the
message and method this conveys be the message you genuinely wish to
convey (and teach) to those closest to you? Would not the character,
integrity and trust with which you live your life be far more
important to you than anything you might find available on a cable TV
channel, stolen or otherwise?
If, by stealing cable TV, you wish to convey a message to Comcast
regarding what you perceive to be rates that are too high, do you
intend to inform Comcast that you are stealing their services in order
that they may see the error of their ways and rectify those rates,
making them more affordable for you? A better way will be to refuse to
subscribe altogether with a letter directed to Comcast's Management
explaining why.
Huckleberry Hoshimoto
"Gary Tait" <ta...@hurontel.on.ca> wrote in message
news:auoroucq13neklh66...@4ax.com...
> On Sun, 22 Sep 2002 08:25:50 -0500, CRasH180 <foo...@pissonu.com>
> wrote:
>
> >Thanks for enlightening me about this. I am just getting involved in
> >all this descrambling stuff. I am also getting very tired of the cable
> >companies raising their rates to unreachable levels. I mean, it's like
> >$45 for basic/extended cable. When I first signed on with Comcast they
> >were somewhere near $36. That was about two years ago. $9 in two years
> >seems a bit excessive to me. I would do away with cable/satelittle
> >altogether and just use the regular antenna, if not for the fact I
> >live in te bottom of a hill and my reception really really sucks. I
> >can only barely even get one channel. And that one doesn't even have
> >hardly anything good on, except the weather, which I can get online.
> >
> >Anyway, the reason I am rambling is because I have a lot on my mind on
> >this matter. If you would not purchase through Joe Parath, then who
> >would you purchase through if you had to have a descrambler now?
> >
> >Thanks for your help,
>
> And not be stealing, try the cable company. Why would the subscription
> rates be your point in choosing to buyy, it only costs a couple of
> bucks a month to rent, and no, owning your ownd descrabler does not
> absolve you of the obligation to pay for the programming you are
> receiving.
FUCK YOU, Gary Tait........ya cable company faggot!
It's $5.00 to $8.00 per month to rent a box ($60 to $96 per year)
For that total, you can buy a decent pirate box and......gee, I just can't
figure this one out!
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Joe
itv_Guy & NoSpam4Me
You want the truth. The TRUTH is how come no one has ever been jailed or
put in prison for using theses Boxes. You never hear about it because
Cable companies might frown on it but it's not illegal otherwise it
would be enforced by the LAW. (It is NOT!) I am not arguing the Fact ok.
You don't have to agree with me but I'm just stating the facts.
(& I will not change my feelings about it either. I will stand FIRM on
the matter)
FOR: noSPAM4me (ONLY!)
Just so you know I was responding to CRASHes post. (NOT YOU!), But it
seems that I hit a nerve. I have cause you much GRIEF it seems & for
that I feel much JOY & PRIDE!
What you FAIL to tell this GROUP is that your issues with me have
nothing to with SPAM & you know it. It's about how you treat new posters
and anyone who doesn't Kiss your ass and agree with you. Your rudeness &
other attacks on a posters spelling and their education level, not to
mention your childish unnecessary name calling. It doesn't make you
sound very well educated yourself.
I have determined that you are immature and you need to do some serious
Growing up. Therefore I will not play your CHILDISH posting games any
longer.
I will NOT respond to your posts again. So spread all the LIES you wish
to about me because I'm not & WONT! stoop myself down to your childish
level. Joe
nosp...@notaol.com.invalid
wrote:
>
>itv_Guy & NoSpam4Me
>
>You want the truth. The TRUTH is how come no one has ever been jailed or
>put in prison for using theses Boxes.
The answer to this question is simple, Joe. Cable companies don't
typically prosecute individual descrambler users in criminal courts of
law. Such criminal prosecutions are usually directed at the VENDORS
who sell and distribute on a multiple and wider scale. Make no
mistake, Joe, many of these vendors HAVE been prosecuted and HAVE
served time in jail.
Individual cable companies, OTOH, typically SUE individual users in
CIVIL courts of law where monetary damages (fines) are imposed. There
have been several such incidents reported here on this forum by those
who, in fact, have been sued.
All of this is really academic and somewhat removed from the main
point anyway. You have been attempting to advance the notion that it
is legal to own a descrambler, an argument that rears its ugly head on
this forum often, rarely with final conclusion. In reality it makes no
difference whether or not it is legal to OWN a descrambler. It is
clearly illegal to USE a descrambler to view premium and PPV channels.
Like those before you with an interest in selling such devices, this
latter fact ALWAYS remains conveniently unmentioned. And, to that end,
you have acted no differently.
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>FOR: noSPAM4me (ONLY!)
>Just so you know I was responding to CRASHes post. (NOT YOU!),
You posted on a public forum where anyone may respond. If you intended
to hold a personal discussion with Crash, perhaps you might have
considered email.
>But it seems that I hit a nerve. I have cause you much GRIEF
>it seems & for that I feel much JOY & PRIDE!
If you say so, Joe, but it seems the tender nerves that might have
been struck exist solely within yourself for you have, indeed, gone
beyond the usual to defend and complain.
itv_guy
news:1582-3D8...@storefull-2177.public.lawson.webtv.net...
>
> itv_Guy & NoSpam4Me
>
> You want the truth. The TRUTH is how come no one has ever been jailed or
> put in prison for using theses Boxes. You never hear about it because
> Cable companies might frown on it but it's not illegal otherwise it
> would be enforced by the LAW. (It is NOT!) I am not arguing the Fact ok.
> You don't have to agree with me but I'm just stating the facts.
> (& I will not change my feelings about it either. I will stand FIRM on
> the matter)
>
Just the facts....
February 4, 1999: Erie Man Arrested: Craig M. Ellis, 44, of 324 West 20th
Street, Erie, PA was arrested by Erie Police at 9:45 PM on Wednesday,
February 3, 1999 at his residence and charged with a total of twelve (12)
felony counts relating to cable piracy and theft. In two separate cases,
Ellis was charged with three (3) felony violations of Pennsylvania Section
910, Manufacture, Distribution or Possession of Devices for Theft of
Telecommunications Services, three (3) felony violations of Pennsylvania
Section 3926, Theft of Services, three (3) felony violations of section 907,
Possessing Instruments of a Crime, and three (3) violations of Section 3304,
Criminal Mischief. He was arraigned today before District Magistrate Paul
Urbaniak. Craig Ellis is one of several individuals who has been the focus
of a 2-1/2 year undercover investigation performed by this agency on behalf
of Erie Cablevision. According to Douglas Hagmann, Director of Hagmann
Investigative Services, Inc., the arrest of Ellis is significant as he is a
major suspect in a "significant" volume of the sales and modifications of
illegal or "black" boxes which are used solely for the purpose of cable
signal theft. "During our lengthy investigation, we have amassed a
significant amount of documentation and evidence that links Ellis to other
individuals as well, and we fully expect other arrests to be made as a
result". This agency is committed to actively and aggressively investigate
theft of cable services on behalf of Erie Cablevision, and will continue our
efforts to this end.
"We gratefully acknowledge and commend the aggressive approach taken by the
Erie Police Department, and specifically, Detective Gerald McShane in the
investigation and ultimate arrest of Ellis".
01/07/99: Erie Woman Sentenced: Pamela Mills-Smith, who was found guilty by
a jury on November 20, 1998 of Receiving Stolen Property and violating
Section 910 of the Pennsylvania Crimes Code relating to manufacturing,
distributing or possessing devices for theft of telecommunications services
was sentenced today by Erie County, PA judge Fred Anthony.
For the conviction under section 910, Mills-Smith was sent to the Erie
County Prison for a term of 30 days minimum to one year. She was also
ordered to pay costs and make restitution in the approximate amount of
$1,600.00. She was also placed on probation for a period of two years.
For the conviction of Receiving Stolen Property, Mills-Smith was ordered to
serve a minimum of 30 days to a maximum of 11-1/2 months in the Erie County
Prison. In addition to costs and restitution, she will also be placed on
probation for three years.
The prison terms are consecutive, meaning that she must serve at least 60
days of her sentence.
12/17/98: Erie Businessman Sentenced: Erie businessman Kenneth G. Dougan was
sentenced today by Judge John Bozza for his "no contest" plea to crimes
involving the possession, sales and distribution of illegal cable boxes.
Dougan was one of several individuals recently arrested as a result of an
extensive undercover investigation involving this agency and the
Pennsylvania State Police. On Count 1 under Section 910 of the PA Crimes
Code, Dougan was ordered to serve 15 days incarceration followed by 90 days
of electronic monitoring. He was also fined $1000.00 and ordered to serve 24
months probation. On Count 2 involving criminal conspiracy, Dougan was fined
$500.00. On a third count, Dougan was sentenced to serve 24 months on
probation consecutive to the above, fined $500.00, and was ordered to serve
100 hours of community service for each count. Additionally, Dougan was
ordered to pay $1,674.68 in restitution.
Hagmann Investigative Services, Inc. continues to be actively and
aggressively involved in the investigation of businesses and individuals
involved in the sales, possession and use of "black boxes" on behalf of its
client, Erie Cablevision, and anticipates additional arrests and successful
convictions.
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http://www.wired.com/news/politics/0,1283,12739,00.html
http://starbulletin.com/96/06/28/business/story1.html
Don't worry, it won't happen to you....stuff like that....it only happens to
other people.
A just another little tidbit for you, most of the larger cable companies
have
found a much easier means to deter cable theft than to go out and make
arrests for it. It's called digital cable.
Tony D.
service with at+t in the Pittsburgh Pa area.
Thanks, Tony D.
jgp...@webtv.net (Joe) wrote in message news:<27788-3D8...@storefull-2176.public.lawson.webtv.net>...
Tony D.
this box will work, so just get it off your cable company. The cable
company has to set the box at there end to work on your TV.
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