Quixtar/Amway new Diamond blows whistle
wh...@my-deja.com
whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
"I was taught and therefore taught that the system was put in place to
assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
people can sell their system!"
Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
Ya, right and no one made money on tools!
Hey did anyone here the rumors that the Storms group is telling
everyone to pull out of Quixtar and go back to Amway?
Understand all the Amway Quixtar business myths at:
http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html
Scott
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Jeff Freeman
> Ok Ambots, check out this site. Another Diamond Dsitributor blows the
> whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
>
>
> http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
And he's going to post statements from other directs and above.
This might be a very enlightning site in the near future.
> "I was taught and therefore taught that the system was put in place to
> assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
> the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
> income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
> people can sell their system!"
>
> Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
Hmmmm...Hey David....would this be another single instance of
a distributor in one state in one single country telling a story that
just doesn't agree with the way it's done everywhere else in the
USA and World?
It's ok...I'm sure he doesn't understand how it all works.
<rolling eyes>
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Glen Palo
wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Ok Ambots, check out this site. Another Diamond Dsitributor blows the
> whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
>
> http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
>
> assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
> the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
> income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
> people can sell their system!"
>
> Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
>
>
> Hey did anyone here the rumors that the Storms group is telling
> everyone to pull out of Quixtar and go back to Amway?
>
> Understand all the Amway Quixtar business myths at:
>
> http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html
>
> Scott
>
I wouldn't call it whistleblowing since the tool profits issue has been
an open secret for quite awhile. But it certainly is strengthening the
argument that corporate Amway needs to do something about the
AMO "systems" business.
I think the big news in Lorencz message is that he recognizes that the
old system does not work anymore. They can't get away with the
deception, lies etc in their recruiting methods because of the speed
that news travels on the internet. He also points out the need to use
smaller training sessions instead of the traditional functions. And I
totally agree. That's one of the reasons I've switched to Pre-Paid
Legal Services. The weekly PPL business meetings and once monthly
Super Saturday session (4 hours) are completely opposite of the Amway
open meetings and functions I've attended in the past.
Amway IBOs have until end of the year to decide whether Quixtar or
Amway will be their primary business. It would make sense for Storm to
tell his downline to select Amway and do the "traditional" business
instead of Quixtar because of the restrictions on internet marketing.
I assume Britt and his organization really does not support Quixtar
either since Britt developed his own ISP service for his downline in
direct competition with Quitar's ISP, Quixnet. If you were in the
Britt organization and your upline hands you a Quixnet ISP service CD
and Britt Worldwide Online CD and each service costs $15.95 a month,
which one would you pick?
Glen
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Jeff Freeman wrote in message <81tke...@enews1.newsguy.com>...
>> whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
>>
>>
>> http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
>
>
>This might be a very enlightning site in the near future.
>
>
>> assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
>> the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
>> income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
>> people can sell their system!"
>>
>> Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
>
>a distributor in one state in one single country telling a story that
>just doesn't agree with the way it's done everywhere else in the
>USA and World?
>
>It's ok...I'm sure he doesn't understand how it all works.
>
><rolling eyes>
>
>
>Jeff
>
QUIXTAR is for lazy business people. They think that all they have to do is
pass out an access IBO number and thousands of people will flock to Quixtar
and shop till they drop. This will not happen.
Reality check here:
The prices are higher than retail stores.
Many people do not have computers.
Many people do not have InterNet access.
Many people do not have credit cards.
Many people will never shop “on-line.”
Many people will never give out their credit card information to a stranger.
Many people will never give out their credit card number on the InterNet.
Many people will never pay the $40 customer sign up fee especially when
there no customer perks, rebates, or revenue sharing opportunities.
And when I go to an InterNet site.
I do not take “cookies.”
Quixtar demands I do.
No thanks.
I will not store unknown information on my computer thanks very much.
Those who think they can escape personal sales presentations to customers or
potential business partners are in for a real financial loss.
Amway / Quixtar is a “breakaway” plan. You are penalized for success.
That is why tens of thousands of people have gone through the “plan” and
Never made any money. And they never understood WHY they did not.
Amway has been around a long time. "The Plan" has been shown to millions of
people. Far too often, the plan is shown wrong, with false and misleading
promises made. Quixtar will be the same.
When you get to the 12% to 15% pin levels you will realize that this
business will eat up more and more of your time and budget, just to keep it
in the same place as well as replacing lost distributors (ones who did not
resign) Despite all the best intentions, you will always lose people, and
unless you keep replacing them, your business (and income) will cease to
grow or shrink. This is one reason Amway is not true residual income if you
have to continually build and work the business. And why Quixtar will be the
same. True Residual income is what you get when all the work is done and
when all the debts are paid.
If you have made it past Direct distributor level, and you are still doing
this on a part-time basis, with a full-time job on the side, than you will
be a proud member of the '100 club' -- i.e.: working 100 hours a week, half
for your Boss, the other half for your future.
Note that the average distributor does NOT spend $300 per month to make up
the average 100PV, as per the Amway sales and marketing plan. The average
distributor spends $45 per month and generates about 5PV per month. Unless
you get some big spenders into your downline, you will need to sponsor about
1500 downline distributors spending an average of $45 per month, to make up
your 7500PV required in order to keep requalifying for direct distributor.
Annually, of those 1500 downline, you will lose around 35%, which means that
you would need to replenish your downline distributor base by 525 new ones
per year, or around 3 new people every 2 days ! These qualifiers are just
impossible to meet and show why so many people fail in Amway. And why they
will fail in Quixtar.
There are too many hidden variables in building an Amway, Quixtar business,
and negative preconceptions amongst the public, and now moreso due to the
easy accessibility of the InterNet will see you 'in the hotseat'' not just
once in a while, but continuously, all the time while you are prospecting
for new people to show the business to. They are all excited about a
'business opportunity' they are looking at. As soon as they start talking to
friends, there is always someone who has heard about Amway before, or worse
still they decide to 'do some research of their own' by looking up Amway
with one of the many search engines, and then coming up with a lot more
negative information about the company than there is any positive
information it. Isn't that a bit strange? Another problem about talking to
your friends about it too is you just might run into one who still has a
garage full of unsold Amway products or tapes and they want to sell it to
you !
"Breakaways" are another downfall of Amway & Quixtar in the future. You are
penalized for success! You enroll a distributor. You help them build their
business and volume. Then Amway takes it from you. You now must go out and
start over and build a "side-volume of 7500 points" to qualify for your 4%
residual. This is not true walk-away residual when the have to continually
build the business and continually qualify. It never lets you retire and
stop working !
To qualify as a Diamond Director you must have 6 breakaway 7500 PV legs that
must keep that volume for 6 months consecutive. You must also do this every
year to keep your status. A task that is virtually impossible. At that point
how many really keep qualified as "Diamonds?" Nobody knows. They will not
tell you. They will not show you their business print-out or financial
records or even show you their check! I suspect that very few can keep up
that qualification demand.
Conclusion: Quixtar is owned by the same people who own Amway. Quixtar will
boom for a short time and then fizzle out. The same qualifications and
breakaways will defeat it.
I suspect the same distributors who consume 78% of their own sales with
Amway products will be the same consumers of Quixtar products. The average
Amway distributor looses $980 per year. The InterNet will make it easier and
faster to lose money!
David Steadson
a great development. For a start, look at the "Profiles" page he has posted.
Which support organisation was he in? Oh, what a surprise, the same person
again. I have *never* denied that what this diamond and others in this forum
have said occurs. I've never even said it was uncommon. The only point I'm
trying to make is you don't have to do it that way and there *are* people
who don't! Do you notice on his site he says he is now directing his people
to another organisation's tools and training? One that he believes operates
more ethically? I have no idea what organisation he is using, but chances
are there are already thousands of people using it, yet I'm sure if those
people happened to visit this news group they'd be vilified as yet another
"not in my LOS!". Open your minds guys, its a big wide world out there.
David
"Jeff Freeman" <jfre...@porch.com> wrote in message
news:81tke...@enews1.newsguy.com...
> <wh...@my-deja.com> wrote in message news:81t272$s5l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com...
> > Ok Ambots, check out this site. Another Diamond Dsitributor blows the
> > whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
> >
> >
> > http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
>
>
> And he's going to post statements from other directs and above.
> This might be a very enlightning site in the near future.
>
>
> > "I was taught and therefore taught that the system was put in place to
> > assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
> > the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
> > income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
> > people can sell their system!"
> >
> > Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
>
> Hmmmm...Hey David....would this be another single instance of
> a distributor in one state in one single country telling a story that
> just doesn't agree with the way it's done everywhere else in the
> USA and World?
>
> It's ok...I'm sure he doesn't understand how it all works.
>
> <rolling eyes>
>
>
> Jeff
>
thefact...@my-deja.com
Love this web site,,,,the information here is without a doubt the best
info since the Probant Site (insider emerald). I hope you dedicate an
entire page to this on your web site!!!!!
I heard the rumor as well but I heard that Diamond Bob Covino is
regestering this January in the Traditional Business, He is under
Storms and I can only imagine that if he is doing that he must have
approval from his upline, The diamonds do nothing without their upline
diamonds approval. It's a very interesting developement considering
that Storms is just under Yager. It makes me think just how far up and
how wide this is!!!!
This is something to be explored!!!! if the largest LOS in all of this
corporation is going traditional what does that leave for the new e-
commerce business? This is not handwriting on the wall its a freaking
billboard!!!!! with BOLD caps in full color print!!!!
In the whistle blowers web site this Diamond says....
"If you surf the Internet much you will have noticed that Quixtar, for
the 5th week in a row has made the number 6 position in the Internet's
top 10 worst web sites on the Internet".
That's a huge statement to be made by a DIAMOND in the business.
I think eveyone should read this site before the legal department of
his corporation comes crashing down on him like a ton of bricks for
speaking out the truth of what is taking place against him. I hope
everyone in this NG sees this thread.
Great find Whoz!!!!!!
In article <81t272$s5l$1...@nnrp1.deja.com>,
wh...@my-deja.com wrote:
> Ok Ambots, check out this site. Another Diamond Dsitributor blows the
> whistle on tools profits. MORE trouble in Amway land.
>
> http://www.lorencz.com/introduction.htm
>
> "I was taught and therefore taught that the system was put in place to
> assist people in building their "Amway" business. This is as far from
> the truth today as you can get as when you are making 80% of your
> income off of the system, it is totally reversed, Amway is in place so
> people can sell their system!"
>
> Don Lorencz: Diamond Direct Distributor
>
> Ya, right and no one made money on tools!
>
> Hey did anyone here the rumors that the Storms group is telling
> everyone to pull out of Quixtar and go back to Amway?
>
> Understand all the Amway Quixtar business myths at:
>
> http://www.awod.com/gallery/rwav/slarsen/amway.html
>
> Scott
>
> Sent via Deja.com http://www.deja.com/
> Before you buy.
>
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